"Armenian children forced to read in the dark in Turkey." What a misleading title.
rick murphy
misleading title.
It is their stupid parents who crossed the border illegally into
Turkey. It is their stupid parents therefore are forcing them to read
(study) in the dark. It is after all a tragedy on the part of the poor
children to be born in stupid and brutal Armenia that cannot provide
their children to start with. The parents are equally quilty for
producing children for whom they cannot provide.
Children of illegal Armenian immigrants from Armenia are attending
classes and reading smuggled textbooks at an illegal school in the
basement of a building in Istanbul. Boy... This is really amazing!!!
In other words their parents crossed the border into Turkiye
illegally. That is against the Turkish law and a felony.
In what country in the entire World including Armenia can illigal
immigrants, who are felons by breaking Turkish law, demand rights and
services of normal citizens, and turn around fabricate baseless
genocide accusations against Turks and Turkiye?
Answer: Only Armenians.
One can only imagine what Armenians and Armenian goverment would do to
a Turk if he/she crossed the border into Armenia illegally!!! They
would hang him/her immediately.
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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=forced-to-read-in-the-dark-2009-12-10
Armenian children forced to read in the dark in Turkey
Friday, December 11, 2009
Vercihan Ziflioglu
ISTANBUL - Hürriyet Daily News
Children from Armenia are attending classes and reading smuggled
textbooks at an illegal school in the basement of a building in
Istanbul. Forbidden to attend Armenian minority schools under the
Lausanne Treaty and the Special Education Law, these children could
not go to school even if the Turkish-Armenian border is opened, unless
the law is changed
Tzsonivar is 8 years old and she misses her father and siblings who
live in another country. Six-year-old Serge hopes to be president of
that country some day. But for now, they are stuck in a legal twilight
zone, unable to attend Turkish schools, studying in illegal elementary
classes with smuggled textbooks and volunteer teachers.
Serge and Tzsonivar are Armenian. Unlike Turkish Armenians who can
attend community schools established under the 1923 Treaty of
Lausanne, these children are citizens of Armenia. Unlike expatriates,
who often send their children to private foreign schools, Serge and
Tzsonivar are poor. The tuition for a non-state school would be more
than their undocumented parents can afford. Most parents would prefer
their children to be educated in the Armenian language, even if they
could afford to send them to private foreign schools in Turkey.
Even if all the problems between Turkey and Armenia are resolved,
Armenian-born children currently studying in an Istanbul basement
would still not be able to attend the country’s Armenian minority
schools.
A change in Special Education Law would be required for those children
to reclaim their right to an education. Only children with Turkish
citizenship who are from the country’s Greek or Armenian minority are
allowed to attend the minority schools in Istanbul, under the terms of
the Lausanne Treaty.
Every knock on the door is cause for worry
The Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review visited an illegal school
several times over two weeks with the promise of keeping the students’
names and the neighborhood a secret. There were almost 20 children
ranging in age from 5 to 14 at the school. Their greatest fear is that
their location will be exposed and every knock on the door makes them
afraid that the authorities are raiding the school. There are other
illegal schools like this in Istanbul.
The children here are not only deprived of their right to an
education, but they miss their families, too. Lusine, a teacher at the
school said: “Our aim is to teach the children at least how to read
and write and provide a social environment. For many, their family is
in Armenia or other countries. They do not have the chance to see
their mothers during the daytime either, which affects the children
negatively.”
Reproach for Armenia’s rich
The 1989 earthquake in Gyumri, Armenia’s second-biggest city, and the
Nagorno-Karabakh war with Azerbaijan have pushed the country into
economic distress. The Turkish border being shut down due to the war
has made the situation even worse. Many citizens of Armenia went
abroad to find jobs due to the financial difficulties, and Turkey was
the top choice. Today, economic problems continue and, even though
their children have not had a proper education since, their parents do
not wish to go back to Armenia.
According to Turkish authorities, there are 60,000 illegal Armenian
workers in the country, while data from Armenia’s Foreign Ministry
puts the number at 20,000. Although most of the illegal Armenian
workers in Turkey are college graduates, many of them do basic jobs
such as housecleaning or working at bazaars. Those with better
economic positions engage in the suitcase trade, the practice of
buying products at low cost in Istanbul’s bazaars and selling them for
a higher price in their home country.
Most adults can cope with this struggle one way or another, but school-
aged children often experience great difficulties.
“The politicians are after their own gains; it is us, the ordinary
people, who suffer,” said Aghavni, a graduate of the Yerevan
University faculty of economics who earns a living in Istanbul by
cleaning houses. Criticizing the rich people of Armenia, Aghavni said:
“They are your children, too. You know how to show off in the streets
of Yerevan in luxury jeeps, but you do not even think of claiming
those children, your future. We had to leave our country because of
financial difficulties. We did not even have bread to eat.”
The psychologist of the illegal school
Armineh, another teacher at the school, came to Turkey 10 years ago
from Gyumri, where her family still lives. “I came here unwillingly,
to earn a living and send money to my family. I have been a
housecleaner and I have worked at bazaars. Now I clean houses two days
a week and have a stand at the bazaar,” she said. Like her other
friends, Armineh has devoted herself to the children at the illegal
school. She studied psychology in Armenia and is very concerned about
the future of the children.
“They suffer great damage both psychologically and in a social sense;
most of them are withdrawn,” she said. “It bears thought and is very
sad that children are deprived of their educational rights in this
century.”
The Armenian president is the idol of little Serge
The children’s textbooks are brought from Armenia. The biggest wish of
12-year-old Garoush is to go back to his school in Yerevan. “I miss my
school and friends very much. We came to Turkey five years ago,” said
Garoush. “I want to go back, but my mother says it is not possible
now.”
Tzovinar is 8 years old and her father and siblings live in the
village of Gavar, near Sevan Lake in Armenia. Her eyes were full of
tears. “I miss my father and siblings so much. I cannot see my mother
either because she has to work a lot to earn money.”
Serge is 6 years old and his favorite person is Armenian President
Serge Sarkisian, for whom he was named. “I want to be president, too,
like Serge Sarkisian, when I grow up,” he said. “The child at the
house my mother cleans wears very nice clothes. He has a very nice
school bag, but I do not. I will let everybody go to school when I
become president.”
Lawyer Davuthan: ‘The law must change’
The Daily News asked for the opinion of Archbishop Aram Atesyan, the
spiritual leader of the Patriarchate of Armenians of Turkey, but
received no comment. The Patriarchate Secretariat said it was due to
Atesyan’s busy schedule.
The archbishop met with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan recently
and mentioned the subject.
The Turkish branch of UNICEF also preferred to remain silent on the
matter. “This is a very political subject. It would not be our place
to voice an opinion,” said Sebnem Balkan, a UNICEF spokeswoman, and
said she was just assigned to the job.
Setrak Davuthan, a lawyer for the foundations of the Armenian
community of Istanbul, explained the matter as follows: “There is a
law banning children from Armenia from attending the schools of the
Armenian minority foundations. The law on private education
institutions states that only citizens of the Republic of Turkey can
study at minority schools. If that clause does not change, the problem
will not go away even if the borders between Turkey and Armenia open.”
According to Davuthan, the roots of the problem date back to the
Lausanne Treaty. He said such difficulties were because the articles
of the Lausanne Treaty on minorities are interpreted as the government
sees fit. “In the time of the Ottomans, not only Armenians, but also
Turks studied in the minority schools because the level of education
was good,” he said.
There are currently 18 Armenian minority schools in Istanbul.
Rifat Albayrak
<Richard...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Armenian children forced to read in the dark in Turkey." What a
>misleading title.
>It is their stupid parents who crossed the border illegally into
>Turkey. It is their stupid parents therefore are forcing them to read
>(study) in the dark. It is after all a tragedy on the part of the poor
>children to be born in stupid and brutal Armenia that cannot provide
>their children to start with. The parents are equally quilty for
>producing children for whom they cannot provide.
>Children of illegal Armenian immigrants from Armenia are attending
>classes and reading smuggled textbooks at an illegal school in the
>basement of a building in Istanbul. Boy... This is really amazing!!!
>In other words their parents crossed the border into Turkiye
>illegally. That is against the Turkish law and a felony.
Dear Möyfi, children are innocent. If their parents illegal, you take
measures against them. Leave the children, whatever their nationality
are, alone. We Turks do not punish children under age 18!
That situation related to illegal Armenians' children is the result of
wrong doings of the İslamic wanna be government of Turkey.
>In what country in the entire World including Armenia can illigal
>immigrants, who are felons by breaking Turkish law, demand rights and
>services of normal citizens, and turn around fabricate baseless
>genocide accusations against Turks and Turkiye?
When it comes to children, there is no nationality.
>Answer: Only Armenians.
>One can only imagine what Armenians and Armenian goverment would do to
>a Turk if he/she crossed the border into Armenia illegally!!! They
>would hang him/her immediately.
This is not even the point!
İf someone punishes your children, that does not give you the right to
punish their children, does it?
You either do not let illegals in at all or if you do, you take care
of their children as much as you do your own. Period.
If you hire their parents for nothing, below the minimum wage
requirements of Turkey, and make profit out of it, you are, then,
responsible for the well being of their children.
rick murphy
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:37:39 -0800 (PST), rick murphy
>
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The parents of these children entered Turkiye illegally; they broke
the Turkish law. Turkiye did not invite them. As I indicated earlier
it is after all a tragedy on the part of the poor children.. It is
true that "Turks do not punish children under age 18!" Actually their
stupid parents are punishing them by giving birth to them without
having necessary means. As if that is not enough, they are migrating
to another country illegally ignoring the fact that that other
country, Turkey, is not a rich country; it has only barely enough for
its own children. In addition, it is the same Armenians who hate Turks
and falsely claim that Turks massacred them. They hate Turks so much
that they murdered hundreds of innocent Turkish diplomats during 1970s
and '80s, and not a single Armenian said a word in protest agaist
that, on the contrary supported it. Therefore your statement "Turks do
not punish children under age 18!" is just a cheap-shot.
Rifat Albayrak
<Richard...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The parents of these children entered Turkiye illegally; they broke
>the Turkish law. Turkiye did not invite them. As I indicated earlier
>it is after all a tragedy on the part of the poor children.. It is
>true that "Turks do not punish children under age 18!" Actually their
>stupid parents are punishing them by giving birth to them without
>having necessary means.
Next time perhaps they should consult you befor they make children. :)
What are you? A Nazi?
>As if that is not enough, they are migrating
>to another country illegally ignoring the fact that that other
>country, Turkey, is not a rich country; it has only barely enough for
People do desperate acts in desperate times.
>its own children. In addition, it is the same Armenians who hate Turks
>and falsely claim that Turks massacred them. They hate Turks so much
>that they murdered hundreds of innocent Turkish diplomats during 1970s
I am sure you can find some of them in that frame of mind.
Not all of them.
>and '80s, and not a single Armenian said a word in protest agaist
>that, on the contrary supported it.
Of course they did protest. Almost all Armenian background people who
are living in Turkey felt bad about it. Even in one incident, one of
them set himself to fire and died to protest them in the middle of
�stanbul...
Please don't come to quick conclusions.
rich murphy
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:00:34 -0800 (PST), rick murphy
>
> >The parents of these children entered Turkiye illegally; they broke
> >the Turkish law. Turkiye did not invite them. As I indicated earlier
> >it is after all a tragedy on the part of the poor children.. It is
> >true that "Turks do not punish children under age 18!" Actually their
> >stupid parents are punishing them by giving birth to them without
> >having necessary means.
>
> Next time perhaps they should consult you befor they make children. :)
> What are you? A Nazi?
Having children without necessary resources to raise them properly is
child abuse and the most gross human right violation of a child.
>
> >As if that is not enough, they are migrating
> >to another country illegally ignoring the fact that that other
> >country, Turkey, is not a rich country; it has only barely enough for
>
> People do desperate acts in desperate times.
>
> >its own children. In addition, it is the same Armenians who hate Turks
> >and falsely claim that Turks massacred them. They hate Turks so much
> >that they murdered hundreds of innocent Turkish diplomats during 1970s
>
> I am sure you can find some of them in that frame of mind.
> Not all of them.
>
> >and '80s, and not a single Armenian said a word in protest agaist
> >that, on the contrary supported it.
>
> Of course they did protest. Almost all Armenian background people who
> are living in Turkey felt bad about it. Even in one incident, one of
> them set himself to fire and died to protest them in the middle of
> Ýstanbul...
You are lying. Nothing of that sort happened. All Armenians had a ball
everytime their heros murdered another innocent Turks. Now, Armenians
are trying to free from jail their hero who murdered Turkish diplomat
in Los Angeles. Many other Armenians who murdered Turkish people are
at large and still harbored and protected by Armenians. No Armenian
reports those murderers' whereabouts to the police.
> Please don't come to quick conclusions.
>
>
>
> >Therefore your statement "Turks do
> >not punish children under age 18!" is just a cheap-shot.- Hide quoted text -
Rifat Albayrak
<Richard...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You are lying. Nothing of that sort happened.
Let's see what are you going to say to this one:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9o7lv_asalaya-tepki-icin-kendini-yakan-er_news
rick murphy
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:36:20 -0800 (PST), rich murphy
>
> >You are lying. Nothing of that sort happened.
>
> Let's see what are you going to say to this one:
>
I apologize. I must have forgotten. It is real.
Dear and honorable Artin Penik did not have to kill himself to protest
Armenian brutality and dishonesty against Turks. I will keep him in my
prayers.
But, believe it or not, not a single Armenian, beside Artin Penik,
said anything in protest in public against Armenian brutality and
dishonesty against Turks. All movers and shakers Armenian race.nation
either keep quite about baseless Armenian genocide claims by Turks or
affirm it like Catholicos Karekin II, the current head of the Holy
Armenian Apostolic Church, affirms it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Karekin_II).
If people like Artin Penik and others, if any, had the energy,
intelligence and courage to come out and started an anti-hatred and
anti-lie campaign by Armenians against Turks, the World opinion would
be much better off for both Turks and Armenians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artin_Penik
Artin Penik
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Artin Penik (1921 – August 15, 1982) was a Turkish-Armenian who
committed suicide by self-immolation in protest of the terrorist
Esenboga airport attack by the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation
of Armenia (ASALA, also known as Third October) on August 10, 1982.[1]
[2][3]
Penik, a 61-year-old, self-employed tailor, set himself on fire in
Taksim plaza, the main square of Istanbul, Turkey, after leaving a
suicide note in which he wrote "I can no longer bear the grief over
slayings of innocent people."[4]
In the attack which led to Penik's suicide protest, ASALA directly
targeted civilians for the first time, opening fire in a crowded
passenger waiting room at the Ankara airport.[2] While in hospital, he
was visited by the Armenian Patriarch Shnork Kaloustian who described
him "a symbol of Armenian discontent with these brutal murders."[3][4]
Penik was interviewed for television in the hospital two days before
his death, during which he called for all world governments to unite
against terrorism, declaring that those countries which tolerated
terror would one day find themselves facing it directed towards them
and wished that God give patience to the Turkish people.[5] He further
stated that his original plan had been to commit suicide in front of
the French general consulate, but he changed his mind at the last
moment, and decided to die in the "presence of Atatürk" in Taksim.[5]
Penik died in the emergency ward of the Istanbul Cerrahpaşa Hospital
five days after his attempted suicide.[4] His funeral, held at the
Surp Asdvadzadzin Patriarchal Church was attended by Armenians and
Turks as well as by government officials and the funeral procession
filled the streets of the Kumkapı district.[6]
Other websites:
http://www.usakpedia.com/content/Artin_Penik
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/armenian-turks.htm
http://www.vidchili.com/video/IP12OpIOdVb/He_was_an_Armenian_Artin_Penik_Armenian_Terror_ASALA/
http://www.turkishjournal.com/i.php?newsid=361
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Armenian_Secret_Army_for_the_Liberation_of_Armenia
http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/?p=415