Re: Lately, The More We Hear About Science, The More Lies We Hear - Why Is That?
Gray Ghost
news:MPG.25850842...@news.x-privat.org:
> Gray Ghost wrote
>>
>> http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php
>> 31,486 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029
>> with PhDs. Apparently not as settled as you'd like to think.
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> More proof that right wingers are gullible. Do you allow your dentist to
> perform coronary surgery on you? Then why do you accept the alleged
> opinions of so-called scientists when they have no specialty in climate
> science and don't even work in the field. My God, are you stupid. I bet
> you're also a teabagger.
So then I guess the climate scientists were intruding into paleoboatany whern
they were trying to read tree rings and we can discard everything about the
tree ring data as the product of people working out of thier field.
You're another fucking hack,
>
>
> You are a liar and so is your hoax petition. Did you even complete high
> school? Are lies all you have to defend your point of view?
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> Kevin Grandia
>
>
> To say that the oft-touted "30,000 Global Warming Petition" project
> stinks would be the understatement of the year.
>
> I thought it would be timely to once again break down this flawed piece
> of global warming denier propaganda after it was mentioned last night in
> Daily Show host Jon Stewart's interview with US Energy Secretary of
> Energy, Dr. Stephen Chu.
>
> .1% of Signers Have a Background in Climatology
>
> The Petition Project website offers a breakdown of the areas of expertise
> of those who have signed the petition.
>
> In the realm of climate science it breaks it breaks down as such:
>
> Atmospheric Science (113)
>
> Climatology (39)
>
> Meteorology (341)
>
> Astronomy (59)
>
> Astrophysics (26)
>
> So only .1% of the individuals on the list of 30,000 signatures have a
> scientific background in Climatology. To be fair, we can add in those who
> claim to have a background in Atmospheric Science, which brings the total
> percentage of signatories with a background in climate change science to
> a whopping .5%.
>
> The page does not break out the names of those who do claim to be experts
> in Climatology and Atmospheric Science, which makes even that .5%
> questionable [see my section on "unverifiable mess" below].
>
> This makes an already questionable list seem completely insignificant
> given the nature of scientific endeavor.
>
> When I think I'm having chest pains I don't go to the dermatologist, I go
> to a cardiologist because it would be absurd to go to skin doctor for a
> heart problem. It would be equally absurd to look to a scientist with a
> background in medicine (of which there are 3,046 on the petition) for an
> expert opinion on the science of climate change. With science broken down
> into very narrow specialties a scientific expert in one specialty does
> not make that person an automatic authority in all things science.
>
> In this way the logic of the 30,000 petition is completely flawed, which
> isn't surprising given its questionable beginnings.
Oh yes 30,000 scientists are wrong becuase you say so.
> 2009-07-22-oregoninstituteheadquarters.jpg
> The Petition's Sordid Beginnings
What opposing the abortion called Kyoto.
> The petition first emerged in April 1998 and was organized by Art
> Robinson of the self-proclaimed "Oregon Institute of Science and
> Medicine" (OISM) [their headquarters are the Photo Inset].
>
> Along with the Exxon-backed George C. Marshall Institute, Robinson's
> group co- published the infamous "Oregon Petition" claiming to have
> collected 17,000 signatories to a document arguing against the realities
> of global warming.
THE POLLUTION LOBBY. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
> The petition and the documents included were all made to look like
> official papers from the prestigious National Academy of Science. They
> weren't, and this attempt to mislead has been well-documented.
And they apologized for that.
> Along with the petition there was a cover letter from Dr. Fred Seitz (who
> has since died), a notorious climate change denier (and big tobacco
> scientist) who over 30 years ago was the president of the National
> Academy of Science.
> Also attached to the petition was an apparent "research paper" titled
> Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. The paper
> was made to mimic what a research paper would look like in the National
> Academy's prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy journal. The
> authors of the paper were Robinson, Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon (both
> oil-backed scientists) and Robinson's son Zachary. With the signature of
> a former NAS president and a research paper that appeared to be published
> in one of the most prestigious science journals in the world, many
> scientists were duped into signing a petition based on a false
> impression.
>
> The petition was so misleading that the National Academy issued a news
> release stating: "The petition project was a deliberate attempt to
> mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support
> for the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was not based on a review of the
> science of global climate change, nor were its signers experts in the
> field of climate science."
>
> An Unverifiable Mess
>
> Time and time again, I have had emails from researchers who have taken
> random samples of names from the list and Google searched them for more
> information. I urge others to do the same. What you'll quickly find is
> either no information, very little information or information
> substantiating the fact that the vast majority of signers are completely
> unqualified in the area of climate change science.
>
> For example,
>
> "Munawwar M. Akhtar" - no info other than the fact that he is a signatory
> on the petition.
>
> "Fred A. Allehoff" - no info other than the fact that he is a signatory
> on the petition.
>
> "Ernest J. Andberg" - no info other than the fact that he is a signatory
> on the petition.
>
> "Joseph J. Arx" - no info other than the fact that he is a signatory on
> the petition.
>
> "Adolph L. Amundson" - a paper by Amundson on the "London Tunnel Water
> Treatment System Acid Mine Drainage." [PDF]
>
> "Henry W. Apfelbach" - an Orthopedic Surgeon
>
> "Joe R. Arechavaleta" - runs an Architect and Engineering company.
>
> And this is only names I picked in the "A's." I could go on, but you get
> my point. The list is very difficult to verify as a third-party, but this
> hasn't stopped the Petition from bouncing around the internet and showing
> up in mainstream media.
>
> Given all this it seems to me that anyone touting this as proof that
> "global warming is a hoax" completely misunderstands the process of
> scientific endeavor or has completely exhausted any real argument that
> rightfully brings into to doubt the reality of climate change.
>
> Or, then again, they could just be in it for the money.
>
> Follow Kevin Grandia on Twitter: www.twitter.com/kgrandia
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Kevin you are a political hack.
Let me spell it out for you. It's all bullshit. If you scumbags try to
destroy this country through destructive policies based on false science, I
promise you, all of you scumbags are going to be dead, dead, dead. Bank on
it.
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Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming.
"Hide the Decline"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk
31,486 American scientists, including 9,029 with PhDs, don't agree the
science is settled.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
What it appears to be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZszGJHbK4&feature=video_response