向 Dacankao 和 Richard Long 致敬
tristone
从我上talk.politics.china并首次看到《大参考》以来，已经一年有余。这一年多的
时间已经使我成为了大参考杂志的忠实读者。从这份杂志上我了解到了许多在新闻封锁
下所无法知道的事情，更令我高兴的是能看到许多民主理论和历史方面的文章，受益非
浅。
坚持真理一向是要付出代价的，特别是在周围充斥着谩骂和排斥的环境中，每天出版高
质量的文摘和原创文章，不计报酬，这一点尤为可贵。
在此请允许我向 Richard Long 和大参考杂志的全体采编人员致以崇高的敬意。我站在
你们这一边。
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nightwalk
儿。在有确凿证据的情况下发表效果是不是会更好一点儿？
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奥斯瓦尔多
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tristone
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> 很多不一定是真的。
我个人觉得总比 一 定 不 是 真 的强
大参考很大程度上是一份文摘，要求保证绝对真实实在是勉为其难。但是总比自称绝对
正确并且不让读者获取其他消息来源的“喉舌”要强上千倍了。
其实我也并不全信里面的文章，一个人要有自己的判断能力才能尽量避免被误导，不是
吗？
Jim Walsh
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>"奥斯瓦尔多" <mond...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> 很多不一定是真的。
>
>
>我个人觉得总比 一 定 不 是 真 的强
>
>大参考很大程度上是一份文摘，要求保证绝对真实实在是勉为其难。但是总比自称绝对
>正确并且不让读者获取其他消息来源的“喉舌”要强上千倍了。
>
>其实我也并不全信里面的文章，一个人要有自己的判断能力才能尽量避免被误导，不是
>吗？
Richard Long does a great volunteer service to the Chinese people by
providing, or trying to provide, an alternative source of the news.
Love, Jim
I can't read or speak Chinese, so my post refers only
to the English in the post that I am following up.
tristone
I totally agree with that.
Tristone
"Jim Walsh" <jimNO...@tranSPAMsend.com.tw> wrote in message
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> Richard Long does a great volunteer service to the Chinese people by
> providing, or trying to provide, an alternative source of the news.
>
> Love, Jim
>
> I can't read or speak Chinese, so my post refers only
> to the English in the post that I am following up.
monkey
我同情FLG人员的处境，但我反对宣传FLG.
我也希望它能尽量以各观的口吻来报道，
避免倾向性强的漫骂字眼。
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愚人
漫骂、乃至人身攻击 ----- 小人之举！！
“我了解到了许多在新闻封锁下所无法知道的事情，更令我高兴的是能看到许多民主理
论和历史方面的文章，受益非浅。”------- 此话有同感。
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Ollin
Ollin
china.
a falun(er) come to china,then he know that Richard Long's news is not ture
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Ollin
Jim Walsh
>If you want to understand that why we said that news is not ture,come to
>china. a falun(er) come to china,then he know that Richard Long's news is not ture
Since news is censored INSIDE of China and not censored OUTSIDE of
China; if you want to know what is REALLY happening inside China, you
have to be outside of China.
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>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:45:56 +0800, "tristone" <a...@bbb.ccc> wrote:
>>
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>> >"奥斯瓦尔多" <mond...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:9i8thp$qms$1...@mail.cn99.com...
>> >> 很多不一定是真的。
>> >
>> >
>> >我个人觉得总比 一 定 不 是 真 的强
>> >
>> >大参考很大程度上是一份文摘，要求保证绝对真实实在是勉为其难。但是总比自称
>绝对
>> >正确并且不让读者获取其他消息来源的“喉舌”要强上千倍了。
>> >
>> >其实我也并不全信里面的文章，一个人要有自己的判断能力才能尽量避免被误导，
>不是
>> >吗？
>>
>> Richard Long does a great volunteer service to the Chinese people by
>> providing, or trying to provide, an alternative source of the news.
>>
>> Love, Jim
>>
>> I can't read or speak Chinese, so my post refers only
>> to the English in the post that I am following up.
>
Love, Jim
I can't read (or speak) Chinese, so my comments
are necessarily limited to the English part of
the quoted materials.
Ollin
"Jim Walsh" <jimNO...@tranSPAMsend.com.tw>
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Jim Walsh
>So you can also see the not-true news
I can already see the "not-true news". The CCP controlled news media
is available here in Taiwan, and through-out the free world,
generally.
Love, Jim
The argument has been made that the slaughter of June 2 and 4 was
necessary to clear Tiananmen Square. Then why did the indiscriminate
killing of innocent people continue for several days after
the martial law troops had already occupied the square.....
These young men and women are only a small number of the victims
of June 4 that I know of. Relatives of some victims, fearful of
official pressure are unwilling to reveal publicly the names and
circumstances of the deaths of their loved ones, and thus they
bear an even greater pain. Professor Ding,
The China Reader, Vintage Books, Pages 209 & 210.
Ollin
happen place), so you can't know what is right.
I can also send a news to the world says xxx is dead.But no one can know,
true? not true? Who knows? The CNN news is from the USA.So it must has some
news is good for usa.The same to china.And all over the world.
"Jim Walsh" <jimNO...@tranSPAMsend.com.tw>
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peter
who can tell which news is true or not? can u? why can u say that this news
is not true ,that news is true? do u have a rule to tell the truth? i have
one: the truth r never afraid of anything false. and those who grasp the
truth will never suffocate any false voice because the false will die
itself. but the one who propagandize the false will try all his strength to
kill any voices that would posibally be true. because he knows that the
truth is not in his pocket.
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> So you can also see the not-true news
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peter
也不一定不是事实。
"Ollin" <cn...@21cn.com> wrote in message news:9iucqs$ibq$3...@mail.cn99.com...
> 问题就是那不一定是事实
name
Jim Walsh
>A chinese word says:????. that means if you don't see what happen(in the
>happen place), so you can't know what is right.
>I can also send a news to the world says xxx is dead.But no one can know,
>true? not true? Who knows? The CNN news is from the USA.So it must has some
>news is good for usa.The same to china.And all over the world.
Well, I can see both the PRC's news and CNN, so I hear both sides
(actually, I also read news from England, Japan, Canada, and so on: so
I see many sides). That makes it easier (but not easy) to sort out the
truth from fiction.
Unfortunately the CCP won't let the Chinese people access these
independent sources of news and the CCP put Chinese in jail who
complain about the censorship and secrecy.
Jim Walsh
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>.......those who grasp the
>truth will never suffocate any false voice because the false will die
>itself. but the one who propagandize the false will try all his strength to
>kill any voices that would posibally be true.....
Well put.
>"Ollin" <cn...@21cn.com> wrote in message news:9j0baq$34h$3...@mail.cn99.com...
>> So you can also see the not-true news
与魔鬼游戏
<peter@t> wrote:
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>who can tell which news is true or not? can u? why can u say that this news
>is not true ,that news is true? do u have a rule to tell the truth? i have
>one: the truth r never afraid of anything false. and those who grasp the
>truth will never suffocate any false voice because the false will die
>itself. but the one who propagandize the false will try all his strength to
>kill any voices that would posibally be true. because he knows that the
>truth is not in his pocket.
但是,真理的幼苗需要保护.人民的现代意识需要长期的教育和培养.
如果放纵不管,任意让敌视中国的帝国主义势力插手中国的内部事务,
中国的现代化进程就会被干扰,中国就会陷入混乱.
Ollin
your list,only china is another side
You see your sides news more than our sides,how can you know what is true or
untrue?
The capitalism country is always attack the communism,right?So you can't
know what is true or untrue.
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Ollin
work for their country.Same to your country.
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Ollin
This is written by name:
Use the lie to attack the others, is also a lier.Which do you like
better,Dacaokao isn't better then People's daily.In china,also can see many
gentleman ,but in the Falun's,no one.
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> 用谎言去攻击骗子的人，一样是骗子。你喜欢哪一个呢？大参考并不比人民日报可
爱。在共产党里，我还能看到不少的正人君子。可在民运们中间，我一个也没看到。
Ollin
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Jim Walsh
>OK,Which do you look more?The communism country's news or capitalism news?
Well, actually there aren't only TWO sides: there are MANY sides. I
read three or four newspapers a day. I read 3 or 4 weekly news
magazines a week. I seldom watch CNN on TV, but I often read the CNN
web-page. Ditto the Chinese web-pages.
>In your list,only china is another side You see your sides news more than our sides,how can you know what is true or untrue?
Well, NO ONE knows what is true, completely. By viewing all of the
sources, I get closer to the truth.
>The capitalism country is always attack the communism,right?So you can't
>know what is true or untrue.
Well, I know that the CCP is afraid to let the Chinese people read
independent sources of news. That is among the reason I don't trust
the CCP's views.
Ollin
the capitalism news is always attack the communism.You say you didn'tt rust
the CCP's views.So when you see that, you think that is not true.So how can
you know what is true?Your country is also has cortrol the tv and
newspapers.And now so many news,shall the china can make untrue news,they
didn't afraid the people know the true?In now world, make the untrue news is
very hard.Shall the china do that?NO. The CCP is for china,they must know
what has happen and then to report that.Don't like your country
news,fast,but can't know true and untrue.Always has a messages and then to
report that,always don't to approve.
"Jim Walsh" <jimNO...@tranSPAMsend.com.tw>
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Jim Walsh
Here is an example of someone from the PRC who wrongly thinks that
conditions in the PRC regarding freedom of news sources is normal and
says, "Your country is also has cortrol the tv and newspapers." Your
claim, Brian, that people in the PRC know that there is freedom of
press in other countries is simply wrong.
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:41:01 +0800, "Ollin" <cn...@21cn.com> wrote:
>Did you understand?The capitalism country is always attack the communism.So
>the capitalism news is always attack the communism.
Some countries have free news media. That means there are MANY sources
of news in those countries. Some sources "attack communism". Some
criticize the local government. Some praise communism. And so on.
In Taiwan, for example, I can easily access news sources that praise
the CCP. It is a shame that people in the PRC cannot access all of the
sources of news.
>You say you didn't trust the CCP's views.
Only a fool would trust the CCP.
>So when you see that, you think that is not true.So how can
>you know what is true?
It is difficult to know what is true. At the beginning one must be
sure that one is hearing all of the story, and that means having
access to many sources of news.
>Your country is also has cortrol the tv and newspapers.
False. The TV and newspapers in Taiwan are free. You can even watch
PRC TV and read PRC newspapers in Taiwan.
>And now so many news,shall the china can make untrue news,they
>didn't afraid the people know the true?In now world, make the untrue news is
>very hard.Shall the china do that?NO. The CCP is for china,they must know
>what has happen and then to report that.
False. The CCP is for the CCP. The CCP only allows the Chinese to read
pro-CCP news. The pro-CCP news repeatedly lies about many things.
Surely, you know that.
>Don't like your country
>news,fast,but can't know true and untrue.Always has a messages and then to
>report that,always don't to approve.
What I know is that NO SINGLE source of news tells all of the story.
That is why I access all of the sources, including the PRC pro-CCP
sources.
Love, Jim
No government has the right to decide on the truth of
scientific principles, nor to prescribe in any way
the character of the questions to be investigated.
Neither may a government determine the aesthetic value
of artistic creations, nor limit the forms of literary
or artistic expression. Nor should it pronounce on the
validity of economic, historic, religious or philosophical
doctrines. Instead it has a duty to its citizens to maintain
the freedom, to let those citizens contribute to the further
adventure and the development of the human race.
- Dr. Richard Feynman
Ollin
is true
"Jim Walsh" <jimNO...@tranSPAMsend.com.tw>
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Jim Walsh
>Here is also an example of someone from someplace think only his sites news
>is true.
Well, no.
1. I don't HAVE any site.
2. I have repeatedly said that NO site is completely accurate, that
the best way to search for the truth is to go to as many sites as
possible.
3. Ollin evidently thinks it is fine that the CCP has made it a crime
for Chinese to try to "go to as many sites as possible". I wonder why
he thinks that.
Love, Jim
"Freedom of teaching and opinion in book or press is
the foundation for the sound and natural development
of any people." Einstein.