A Rare Glimpse Inside A "Free-Range" Egg Facility
Opearl
'A Rare Glimpse Inside A "Free-Range" Egg Facility
By Jewel Johnson
I called the farm to ask if I could come by and see the birds, and
I told the woman who answered exactly why I wanted to visit.
She assured me the chickens are treated well, and I could stop by
some time the next week. I had some spare time on a Saturday,
so I followed the address listed in the phone book to find the farm.
....'
http://www.peacefulprairie.org/eNews/Spring07/free-rangeFarm.html
Dank 110100100
What's the point of 'rescuing' farm animals when other animals will
simply be slaughtered in their place?
For example, every year the U.S. President 'pardons' the Thanksgiving
turkey, causing another turkey to be killed, cooked, and eaten
instead.
Animal rights activists recently protested against slaughtering horses
to sell the meat for human consumption. The meat can still be sold
for animal consumption, such as to make dog food, but it suddenly
becomes 'inhumane' if a person eats the same dead horse carcass.
O.pearl
"Dank 110100100" <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:cf1cde94-cd79-4054...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 11, 4:33 am, "Opearl" <priv...@iol.ie> wrote:
> 'A Rare Glimpse Inside A "Free-Range" Egg Facility
>
> By Jewel Johnson
>
> I called the farm to ask if I could come by and see the birds, and
> I told the woman who answered exactly why I wanted to visit.
> She assured me the chickens are treated well, and I could stop by
> some time the next week. I had some spare time on a Saturday,
> so I followed the address listed in the phone book to find the farm.
> ....'http://www.peacefulprairie.org/eNews/Spring07/free-rangeFarm.html
: What's the point of 'rescuing' farm animals when other animals will
: simply be slaughtered in their place?
"I introduced myself to him, and I let him know I was there for my love of
chickens, and I wanted to add on to my flock I had at home. He wanted
to get a better idea of what I was all about. I described what I do.
I rescue parrots, and I rescue chickens when I can, and it's against my
ethics to pay for chickens or to purchase them from a hatchery or any
store. After some peaceful conversation, he said he would give me some
birds. I just had to pull my truck around to the building towards the end of
the row of buildings, because those hens were no longer producing enough
eggs for profit.
Just outside that building I asked him what he does with these birds after
they are no longer useful to him. He told me he gasses them in 50 gallon
drums. It takes him four days to gas thousands and thousands of hens. He
hates to do this. At that point he estimated about 80,000 hens. I asked
why he doesn't send them to slaughter for soup or dog food. To that he
said no company would take them, so they have to be gassed."
: For example, every year the U.S. President 'pardons' the Thanksgiving
: turkey, causing another turkey to be killed, cooked, and eaten
: instead.
Other than that one individual's precious life, in the'grand scheme' of things...
'Proper disposal of mortality is one of the daily management responsibilities
of a poultry producer. At normal mortality rates for commercial chicken or
turkey flocks, producers must dispose of large quantities of birds. The weight
and volume of carcasses that growers must deal with increases dramatically
as poultry reach maturity (for example, 4 pounds each for broilers and 25
pounds for tom turkeys).
..
Example: For a 24,000-bird tom turkey operation with a 9 percent mortality
rate and marketing 25-pound toms in 133 days:
..'
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/poulsci/tech_manuals/composting_poultry_mortality.html
: Animal rights activists recently protested against slaughtering horses
: to sell the meat for human consumption. The meat can still be sold
: for animal consumption, such as to make dog food, but it suddenly
: becomes 'inhumane' if a person eats the same dead horse carcass.
'A lesser-known issue is that of horse slaughter for pet food and for zoos to
feed to carnivores. According to Dane, these facilities are not required to be
inspected by the USDA, so statistics are not available. The existence of such
facilities usually goes unnoticed until there is a cruelty allegation and
investigation. The International Society for the Protection of Exotic Animal
Kind and Livestock, Inc. alleges that one such slaughterhouse in New Jersey
kills the horses in an inhumane manner, and the case is still under investigation.
According to Dane, most major pet food companies do not use horse meat,
so there's little chance of buying cat or dog food that supports horse slaughter.
..'
http://animalrights.about.com/od/animalsusedforfood/a/HorseSlaughterArguments.htm
Dank 110100100
> "Dank 110100100" <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote in messagenews:cf1cde94-cd79-4054...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> : Animal rights activists recently protested against slaughtering horses
> : to sell the meat for human consumption. The meat can still be sold
> : for animal consumption, such as to make dog food, but it suddenly
> : becomes 'inhumane' if a person eats the same dead horse carcass.
>
> 'A lesser-known issue is that of horse slaughter for pet food and for zoos to
> feed to carnivores. According to Dane, these facilities are not required to be
> inspected by the USDA, so statistics are not available. The existence of such
> facilities usually goes unnoticed until there is a cruelty allegation and
> investigation. The International Society for the Protection of Exotic Animal
> Kind and Livestock, Inc. alleges that one such slaughterhouse in New Jersey
> kills the horses in an inhumane manner, and the case is still under investigation.
> According to Dane, most major pet food companies do not use horse meat,
> so there's little chance of buying cat or dog food that supports horse slaughter.
As a carnivore, I fail to understand why it is more 'inhumane' to
slaughter horses for food than cows. I often think the animal rights
activists use some sort of 'cuteness' factor, where animals they find
physically attractive are entitled to more protection than those
considered unattractive.
Most animal activism is done in the defense of 'cute' animals such as
dolphins, pandas, horses, cats, dogs, koalas, ducks, tigers, etc.
Uglier animals such as cows, chickens, pigs, etc. are defended against
inhumane farming conditions, but rarely defended against slaughter and
consumption, as we see with horses.
While I am repulsed by the thought of eating cats and dogs, other
cultures have no problem with consuming them, and would probably think
Westerners are weird for keeping them as pets. Western animal rights
activists actually fight efforts to sell feral cats to Asian
restaurants, preferring they be euthanized and dumped in landfills
rather than be used to feed hungry humans.
Though leftists usually promote tolerance of non-Western culture and
customs, in this case they display ethnocentricity by condemning
cultures that consume animals that are not traditionally eaten by
Westerners, such as cats and horses.
And only the most fanatical animal rights activists defend the rights
of insects, particularly those insects most of us find to be ugly and
creepy, such as flies and roaches. I seriously doubt even the most
hardcore PETA member is going to capture a cockroach in his pantry and
release it into the wild.
Dutch
> I seriously doubt even the most
> hardcore PETA member is going to capture a cockroach in his pantry and
> release it into the wild.
You're new to AR debates aren't you?
dh
There will always be mentally challenged people pushing such
insane ideas. That's not the problem. The problem is when they are
allowed to force their dishonesty on everone else! When they present
the idea that it's ethically okay for other animals to eat horse meat
but not for humans it's because they are mentally challenged, but wtf
would cause other hopefully more normal people who are in the position
of deciding what the laws are, to go along with such obvious idiocy???
Instead of saying: 'oh, okay, if it bothers YOU then no one else will
be allowed to eat horse meat', why not say something like: 'it's none
of your damn business whether or not other people eat horse meat, and
you have a huge egotism problem to think people who don't even know
you should be careful that their diet doesn't include anything that
happenst to disturb an idiot like yourself. GET OUT!!!
dh
>....'
>http://www.peacefulprairie.org/eNews/Spring07/free-rangeFarm.html
"When I reached the property, I saw one metal chicken "house/shed"
with no windows"
. . .
"I approached the door of the shed where I saw a window with an open
sign posted."
Probably not a damn thing written on that page is true. If there
is any bit of truth at all, I wonder what it could be......
dh
>I wanted to add on to my flock I had at home. He wanted
>to get a better idea of what I was all about. I described what I do.
>I rescue parrots, and I rescue chickens when I can, and it's against my
>ethics to pay for chickens or to purchase them from a hatchery or any
>store. After some peaceful conversation, he said he would give me some
>birds.
LOL!!! No doubt because you had let him know that if he didn't
"give" you some of his chickens you would come back and steal as many
as you wanted to when there was no one around, and you would do
whatever other damage you felt like doing while you were stealing
birds. I wouldn't be at all suprised if you "warned" him about the
possibility of some type of epidemic breaking out in his flock also,
if he didn't give you some of his chickens...
jweeks
Thank you for writing about this...whether people believe you or not,
you know what you saw.
I do buy cage-free, vegetarian or free-range eggs and this is good to
know.
~Jenny
Dank 110100100
> I do buy cage-free, vegetarian or free-range eggs and this is good to
> know.
I voted against California's Proposition 2 just because Oprah endorsed
it.
O.pearl
..
: As a carnivore,
'When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their
flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended
for human beings, who are natural herbivores.* - Roberts, William C. ,
Editor, American Journal of Cardiology. Volume 66, P. 896. 1 Oct, 1990.
*Frugivores. See: http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm
: I often think the animal rights activists use some sort of 'cuteness' factor,
You think? Try this:
'Animals are highly complex creatures, possessing a brain, a central nervous
system and a sophisticated mental life. Animals actually suffer at the hands
of their human tormentors and exhibit such "human" behaviors and feelings
as fear and physical pain, defense of their children, pair bonding, group/tribal
loyalty, grief at the loss of loved ones, joy, jealousy, competition, territoriality,
and cooperation.
Dr. Tom Regan, the foremost intellectual leader of the animal rights movement
and author of The Case for Animal Rights, notes that animals "have beliefs and
desires; perception, memory, and a sense of the future, including their own
future; and emotional life together with feelings of pleasure and pain; preference
and welfare interests; the ability to initiate action in pursuit of their desires and
goals; a psychophysical identity over time; and an individual welfare in the sense
that their experiential life fares well or ill for them, logically independent of their
utility for others and logically independent of their being the object of anyone
else's interests."
....'
http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/murti-polveg.html
O.pearl
~Jenny
Hi Jenny. That's a forwarded article. Yes, it's wholly unacceptable.
O.pearl
'The "Free-Range" Myth
. "Free Range" Eggs - Can You Tell The Difference?
. A Rare Glimpse Inside a "Free-Range" Egg Facility
. A Rare Glimpse Inside a Hatchery
. Why "Cage-Free" or "Free-Range" Eggs Are NOT a Humane Alternative - In a Nutshell
. VIDEO - The Faces Of "Free-Range" Farming
. Letter From A Vegan World (also in Spanish, Italian, French, German)
dh
confessed:
>it's wholly unacceptable.
I don't accept it either. It seems like lies to me too.
dh
<seast...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jul 11, 6:33�am, "Opearl" <priv...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> 'A Rare Glimpse Inside A "Free-Range" Egg Facility
>>
>> By Jewel Johnson
>>
>> �I called the farm to ask if I could come by and see the birds, and
>> I told the woman who answered exactly why I wanted to visit.
>> She assured me the chickens are treated well, and I could stop by
>> some time the next week. I had some spare time on a Saturday,
>> so I followed the address listed in the phone book to find the farm.
>> ....'http://www.peacefulprairie.org/eNews/Spring07/free-rangeFarm.html
>
>Thank you for writing about this...whether people believe you or not,
>you know what you saw.
It sure sounds like lies to me. I've been on and around chicken
farms myself, and raised hundreds of my own chickens, and talked to
many other people who raised chickens, and this dishonest sounding
person is the FIRST one I've even encountered who suggested that a
chickenhouse is kept dark and dimly lit. The very idea is retarded
since birds like light, and therefore chickens being birds would not
lay well if they were in the dark all the time. The very idea is
unrealistic and smacks of a hugely ignorant lie, which is the norm for
eliminationists afaik.
Also, I've been discussing things like this with eliminationists
for quite a few years now, and have found them to consistently be the
most dishonest people I've ever encountered. One of the first things I
remember someone pointing out when I first started in these groups is
that: all "aras" lie. That's the most significant fact I've come
across during the entire time. It always gets down to some sort of
dishonesty with them. Sometimes there is no honesty involved at all,
but even on the occasions when there is there is also dishonesty.
>I do buy cage-free
If you don't pay the extra money for them in order to contribute
to decent lives for laying hens in the future, then why do you pay the
extra money?