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Jun 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/6/99

Woody's Zoo Page, which was on xoom.com :

Zoophilia
What's zoophilia? It is when a person is sexually involved with animals.
Some of you may think this is disgusting, but zoophilia is a very
misunderstood thing.

[ OH IM SURE, read about how this zoophile was playing with a dead
rodent's testicles]

I would like to share my beleifs and experiences. I choose not to post
pornography such as men or women mating with animals, because xoom
does not allow it (#1 rule). However, there are pictures of animal
private parts that I really like. It's okay to put pictures of naked
animals, because they're
always naked!

My Experiences (what I've done)
I am really a bestiality amateur; I haven't actually had intercourse
with any animal. Click here to find out what I've done with animals.
-----------------------------------------------------

Clinking on his link shows this:

Dogs
The only dog I've (tried) to mate with was one I don't really like, and
her name is Phoebe. When she was a puppy, I was sitting with her in my
bathtub
naked and she started to lick my shlong. It felt so good! Then I tried
to mount her, but her slit was too small.

Cats
My first experience with bestiality was with cats. There was a male cat
named Jimmy who was my first lover. (I'm not gay, I'm an animal bi. I'm
straight with
humans). I always loved to swish my shlong across his soft furry
privates. Now that there are female cats in my house, I regularly do the
same to them.

Rodents
It's impossible to swish my shlong on rodents because they are too
small. I love watching gerbils mate. I would whack my willy while
watching the wodents
wiggle. But if you want pets that constantly mate all the time, gerbils
aren't a good choice. Mice and hamsters are dozens of times more
sexually active
than gerbils. Another thing I like about rodents is testicle size. I've
always been obsessed by the fact that the genitals of male rodents are
very large in
relation to the body size. I enjoy playing with rodent testicles.
Recently, I found a dead male squirrel on the road. I was sad because
squirrels are kinda
cute. Before I buried him, I just couldn't resist but to play with his
large black testicles. It felt like he had four! I told another
squirrel, who I met on the
internet, Squirrel Jordan, "excuse me, you're testicles are showing!"

Other animals
One other animal I've had a relation with was a pig. There was a time
that I snuck into a place that has animals, but I originally intended on
doing it with a
cow or a sheep. I found that the cows and sheep are too fast; but pigs
are the laziest creatures. There was a pig laying down as if waiting for
me. I had
my chance. I leaned down on her, took off my underwear, and tried
sticking my peter in her slit, but it just wouldn't go in because it
wasn't yet a boner.
So I tried the next night and it still wasn't a boner. Luckily, I was
able to mastermate and get my weiner in before I ejaculated into her
sweet vagine.
Everytime I'm riding in a car past a field that has farm animals, I
stick my tongue out and drool.
============

This one needs help tallthin!

I got help, what's your excuse?

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Jun 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/7/99

Since it looks like no one here cares what graphic sex, 3 and 4 year old
and other off topic materials zoophiles post against me, I am going to
begin a series of educational posts in this thread entitled: "What
zoophiles do"

This one sums up a lot all in one page, and if after reading this and
the rest I post readers here don't start seriously considering why
legislation against sexual abuse of animals is high time a coming, then
there is something wrong.
This post shows that even neutered dogs are not safe, and mention of
plans to fence hop to other people's property to abuse their animals.

The reader will note that I am the only recovering ex zoophile who is
posting *against* bestiality/zoophilia, and FOR legislation outlawing it
in all 50 states.
I got help and changed, what's their excuse?

==========================================

From: Anonymous Zoophile from WA <Ano...@Rocketmail.com>
Subject: My true story of "coming out" to myself (words support would be
greatly appreciated)
Date: 19 Mar 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3330B1...@Rocketmail.com>
Reply-To: Ano...@Rocketmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bestiality

This is NOT fiction. This is a story of how I became a zoophile /
discovered I was.

First, a little bit (very little; I admit to being a bit paranoid)
about myself: I just turned twenty-one years old. I live in a hilly
suburb area, in a small neighborhood in Washington state. I have two
small cats (and have no nor have never had any interest in them as
partners, but I do enjoy caressing them). I have always been a loner,
an outsider. I rarely socialize, and seem to fit too easily into the
hermit category, but that is changing somewhat. I have had sexual
relationships with humans, one homosexual [I am male] and one
heterosexual [I took careful precautions to not impregnate her and
they succeeded], both of them now years
past. I have for a long time secretly sought out images on PBS,
Discovery and TLC of animals mating, especially lions. I often take
long, slow drives through the country (I am in an area with quite a few
farms) to gaze at and admire bovines and equines.

About two years ago, some new neighbors moved in across the street in a
new house. They brought with them a large, dog (a mut, part St.
Bernard, part German Shepard, and a little bits of everything else) they
found as a stray. He (yes, he) instantly fell in love with everyone
in the neighborhood. He loved coming over to our house, as I pet and
give backscratches that bring many neighborhood pets back for more. I
began having strange dreams that became sexual fantasies about him,
dreams that I considered nightmares because I felt so out-of-control, so
filthy for having such thoughts and feelings about a non-human.

My fantasies grew in intensity, and my barriers against them began to
buckle. I finally relented, planning on taking opportunity of a moment
when nobody was home at my house. When the time came, I invited the dog
over and began stroking his smooth, soft fur, and led him into the
garage and locked the door behind me. He licked me as he always does,
but this time I did not resist. I lowered myself, and he began licking
my face. He quickly worked his way to my mouth, and I allowed him to
continue. As he ran his soft but rubbery tongue in and out of my mouth,
thoughts flashed through my mind on how wrong this was, but stronger
thoughts and feelings overcame them. I took off my shoes and began to
strip.

As I pulled my clothes and underclothes off, he lapped at my cock. I
was already hard, and he was throwing me into a sexual frenzy more
intense than I had ever been in. I stripped completely, uncontrollably
softly calling out his name. I went back to letting him lick my mouth,
and I returned the favor. He tasted warm, slightly bitter but not
unpleasant. This was really turning me on, but I desired even more. I
stroked his back, then slowly moved my hands down to his cock. He
licked more vigorously as I masturbated him. I discovered, however,
that he had been neutered and his testicles had been removed, but I
continued anyway. I moved my head near his crotch, but he growled so I
stopped.

I needed to taste him more, and there was only one other place to go
besides his mouth, so I took it. I began licking his anal area, at
first just lightly.

It wasn't dirty, and I tasted little besides the nearby fur, so I
licked more. I was now in a six-nine position, and he was lapping at my
extremely hard cock, and I began to pre-cum. I wrapped my lips around
his anus and forced my tongue inside. It was the strangest yet most
enthralling sensation I had ever felt. With all his lapping and licking
my cock, it was this moment that I came fully.

It lasted far longer and was more enjoyable than I had ever had it
with either the male or female human. The dog eagerly lapped up all of
my cum, and I had indescribable sensations and feelings running through
the course of my body. I could feel a slight tingling throughout my
torso, but especially on my back; I felt so unincumbered and open.

I heard a car pull up, however, so I quickly dressed and opened the
garage door to let the dog out before my
parents even got out of the car. The dog seemed reluctant to leave me,
but I went inside the house, leaving him out.

I have since had several encounters with the dog, but the last was a
fairly long time ago; Animal Control came by and forced his owners to
chain him up in their yard. I have not fully indulged myself with other
animals, but I no longer resist my fantasies about them. I often think
of a nearby forested farm, and I had a near-encounter with a
beautiful, young mare once ... but that is another story.

I guess I need the release as much anything else here. I now know
what it feels like to need support from others. I truly thought I was
alone until I found sites and newsgroups like this. Praise be to those
who created them and what bravery in the midst of violent,
unrelenting bigotry toward people like us. I only

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Jun 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/7/99

#2 in the series of "What zoophiles do"

This post shows the zoophiles were discussing how to slowly break the
"good word" about bestiality amongst animal forums to slowly infiltrate
and convert readers to accepting this, removing laws etc.

From: Anonymous Zoophile <Ano...@Rocketmail.com>
Subject: Please help me; I'm a zoo.
Date: 19 Mar 1997 00:00:00 GMT

Message-ID: <33309E...@Rocketmail.com>
Reply-To: Ano...@Rocketmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bestiality

Hi, I'm a closet zoo. I have been for longer than I have realized.
This is my first time making a post here. For obvious reasons, I do not
feel I will be able to come out anytime soon.

My question is how can we change society? Its old, good-ol-boys
mentality is overwhelming and disheartening to those of us drawn to
alternative lifestyles (not just zoophilism). To come out and challenge
it seems to be like laying across railroad tracks in a dark tunnel to
stop a train.

Are there ways of challenging at least the laws against
bestiality anonymously?

SNIP

From: Eagle <Ano...@REMOVETHISBLOCKrocketmail.com>
Subject: Eagle Eyes, 1st issue, April 1997
Date: 05 Apr 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3346BF...@REMOVETHISBLOCKrocketmail.com>
Organization: None
Reply-To: Ano...@REMOVETHISBLOCKrocketmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bestiality

We zoophiles (or zoos, the preferred term) share an immense respect and
=
love for our animal partners that extends far beyond simple lust. We
nev=
er force sex on an unwilling partner.

As with many zoophiles, I used to be ashamed of myself for my desires.
I=
thought I was perverse and kept my feelings to myself. I "crawled
insid=
e my shell" so to speak, shutting out all of society and my own
feelings.=
Coming to terms with being a zoo was not easy. Only very recently
have=
I found kinship with others and learned who I really am -- a zoo. It
is=
no more to be proud of than being a man or a woman; it is simply who I
a=
m. I lead three separate lives whereas most "non-zoos" only lead two.
I=
have my public life in which I smile, say hello, and am polite; my semi
-private life, in which I speak some of my true feelings but nothing
about being a zoo; and my zoo life, in which I veil nothing and hold no
secrets between myself, my partners, and kindred zoos. I hold no
private thoughts from my kindred zoos and reserve no feelings, and they
do the same for me. I put sensitive things delicately (as yet, I have
not grown angry
toward any other zoos, but I have received and responded to e-mail from
a zoo who was extremely enraged, though not by me; see my special note
in
"My Plan To Gain Acceptance From Non-Zoos", but I have no veil for even
my most private, reserved thoughts.

SNIP

I realize many are hurt by these flames and the spam that invades our
corner of the news, but we must not let it break us. I am a newbie zoo
(not
even one year now since my first encounter and only having discovered
that I am not alone a few short weeks ago) and am still unaccustomed to
how completely open other zoos are with me, even on first e-mails. It
is not uncomfortable, but it will take some acclamation on my part. I
think of fellow zoos as a part of my own mind; I hide nothing from
fellow zoos (
except my true identity which I hope everyone understands) just as I
cannot and should not hide things from myself, but the feeling is still
somewhat strange and new to me. I treat other zoos as I would my
zoosexual partner: as equals and with absolute trust and honesty, since
all fellow zoos have treated me the same.

SNIP

As I said, I received many responses to my posts. While quietly
observing the a.s.b. newsgroup for a few short weeks before I made my
first post,
I felt so cold and alone. The area was infested with spam and pleas
from bestialists -- not the friendly zoo-types like the sort whose
websites I found and visited. I stumbled upon them, really ... until I
did, I had
never heard the term 'zoophile' or 'zoosexual.' I now realize why so
few true zoo posts are made on this board: fear. The same fear that
keeps
us in the shadows, always afraid of being discovered, the fear we shed
when we have a chance encounter with one another. It must truly be the
deepest fear, for when we drop that fear to talk to fellow zoos, we drop
all our 'shields' and 'shells' we put up against even our closest
non-zoo friends.

SNIP

My Plan to Gain Acceptance For Zoophiles<

I sincerely believe it is possible to remain safely anonymous
(especially=
if you use Rocketmail as I do, not giving them a true name) and still
ask for acceptance on the web, but we must be very cautious. It is more
th
an fear that keeps us from advertising our zoo experience with non-zoos;
it is our shield of our own private lives. We share a special kinship
with each other, but only to each other ... and I strongly feel it
should always remain that way, even when we gain acceptance from
non-zoos. I have heard several zoos comment on what I strongly feel
myself: we cannot advertise to gain membership, nor should we try.
Becoming a zoo is something one does with no encouragement. It is
simply the true destiny for about (if numbers I have are received are
right) .001% of people. That leaves 99.999% of people whose destiny
lies somewhere else. Zoophilia is not just a way of life, it is a major
part of who we are. If someone were to somehow 'cure' us of our
zoophilia, we would not be the same.

SNIP

I think we zoophiles, as a group, are far more emotional than the
average=
person. Those emotions run deep, and we must deal with them. I'm no
psychologist, but I know what a driving force emotion is in my own life.
Until I found fellow zoos, I thought nobody would ever be able to
understand the feelings I have ... not so-called psychologists or
counselors or my own parents. I welled up all of my emotions until I
exploded on several occaisions (see my True Story). I didn't feel close
enough to anyone at the time to release my emotions to.

SNIP

Well, now that I've gotten that off my chest, let's mov

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Part #3 in the series on "What zoophiles do"

Subject: Eagle Eyes, 1st issue, April 1997

From: Ano...@REMOVETHISBLOCKrocketmail.com
Date: 1997/04/05
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bestiality

SNIP

This TRUE STORY of my life was originally just intended to be of how I
di
scovered I was zoo. It has evolved into basically a brief auto-
biography
2E Every bit of this story is as true and as accurate as I can remember
(the dates are kinda sketchy), EXCEPT FOR THE NAMES which I have
changed
to protect people (I make note of this where appropriate). WARNING!
WARNING! DANGER! DANGER! This article contains my personal
sexual
history some may find offensive. I'm serious about this, folks
! NOT READ THIS ARTICLE unless you are absolutely certain you
can maturely handle any graphic sexual details. This is the third and
final warning for this document...

My childhood was rough. From early on, people recognized me as being
different. My kindergarten teacher described me like this: "(He)
marches
to the beat of his own drum." Not necessarily a good or bad thing. It
had its good and bad points; overall, probably leaning toward the bad
(but
not too much).

Because I was different and didn't follow the accepted rules of my
peers,
I did the unthinkable and played with girls at an early age [when all
girls were supposed to have cooties]. I was often called a sissy (and
sometimes outright a girl), but I heeded advice and ignored those
people.
In my later grammar-school years (mostly after I changed schools after
the
third grade), those comments changed to being a nerd, a geek, and a
certain unflattering reference to a movie in which the main character
shares
my name and is more than slightly odd [no way in hell, pardon my tongue,
am I giving away the title or my name here -- but Hawk knows what I am
talking about :-)].

I fooled around with several partners in my pre-pubescent years, both
mal
e and female. I never considered animals back then. I even
experimented
a couple times with my younger sister, and we were caught once by my
parents ... it was the one beating I'll remember no matter how fuzzy my
memory gets! I tried once more with my sister during puberty, but
ceased
when she started having periods (she is a year younger than I). Many
people
say my sister and I were reversed: I, being quiet and shy [Shy? You
wouldn't believe it now, would you? ;-)], should have been the girl and
my
sister, being the tomboy, aggressive and loving frogs and snakes (my
interest in animals had yet to develop), should have been the boy. More
than a couple people, including I believe my own parents, have suspected
I am homosexual. Not exactly true ... I was bisexual and, for the past
year
, have been pure zoo. I have not yet "slammed the door" on getting
married, some day ... but it does appear unlikely unless she is a fellow
zoo
(
I don't think I'd marry a non-zoo man ... but who knows?).

Despite my reputation as a nerd, I was doing miserably in school. I
would get bored in my classes because they weren't challenging me. My
grades
contrasted each other greatly: I received a great many A's in more
challenging classes and F's in easier ones, but few in between. This
continued, unfortunately, throughout all my schools, and is only now in
my final
quarter in college beginning to change.

I have always detested violence, and was often on the receiving end of
bullies. I discovered I had an unusual way of handling things compared
to others: I ignored aggressions initiated by others until I reached a
boil
ing point and exploded. After being bullied and teased for years, I
'exp
loded' several times toward the end of grammar school. I, never being
an athlete and admittedly a bit of a weakling, knocked out a kid
completely
when he was harassing me from behind. I grabbed him, flipped him
completely over my head, and slammed him hard on the tile floor. He
must have
hit his head or something because he was out cold. I have never taken
any self-defense or martial arts classes; it was pure adrenaline. I
didn't
even think about doing it. Besides that, I think I threw a total of
three punches in grammar school, all of them aggravated, but one was by
the
most meaningless of teases (it was the straw that broke the camel's
back)
2E I sincerely regretted doing all of these, not because I got in troub
le, but just because I hated harming anyone. All three caught bullies
of
f-guard though, so despite my regrets I will not apologize to those on
the receiving end of those punches!

I nonetheless withdrew into several deep "shells" against the outside
world, and by the time I reached junior high, I was sent to numerous
school
counselors because my parents and teachers were worried I had no "social
skills." At the time, I thought it was "normal" for all students to see
counselors; it was all arranged by my parents and teachers.

The end of grade school was, of course, not the end of the bickering.
Junior high was far worse. The most intense incident took place in
band.
A girl I had never met smashed a flute over my head on the way out of
ban
d class ... no warning, she just came from behind, and wham-o. A flood
of other sevies (yes, that was when I was a "sevie" -- seventh grader
for
those of you who missed the experience) were there before I knew it.
The
girl was charging at me again; I gathered she was trying to prove
hersel
f to someone by beating up a nerd or something. I knocked the flute out
of her hands as she tried to swing it at me again, then swung a fist
hard
at her. Unfortunately, it landed square in her breast (believe you me,
it was not intentional and I was only trying to get her to think twice
and give me time to leave). She was actually bigger than I was, but she
was knocked backwards hard. I grabbed my books and left with due haste.
I
got hell when I got home; apparently the girl had told I beat her up,
and the principal and the principal told my parents. They insisted that
I
should never hit a girl under any circumstance; I simply said, 'Oh, but
it's okay to hit boys?' The issue was dropped surprisingly quickly; my
pa
rents knew I didn't pick fights (though I did keep it going with my
siste
r occasionally).

That was the last fight I'd been in (except with my sister). Bullies
turned their attentions to each other; it was no longer macho to pick on
a
n
erd and a wimp like me.

In that very same band class, I met a good friend who I'll call Jacob
(not his real name). We actually had a mutual friend and had seen each
other in band for quite some time without really knowing each other.
The
mut
ual friend had mentioned something about Jacob earlier, but I had no
idea
it was this 'Jacob' (his real name was fairly common, and I had a tough
time remembering names anyway). We were both surprised to find out we
we
re the mutual friend's "other friend" [uhhh... peter piper picked a peck
of ... never mind! ;-)].

We became very close friends. He spent the night at my house one night
w
hen I was 14 or 15 (I think), and we stayed up late playing Nintendo
well
after my parents went to bed. We lied through our teeth to each other
a
bout exploits with girls and what-not. We turned off the Nintendo and
sa
t in bed talking. I can't remember the exact words, but he said
somethin
g like "Do you want to screw?" I thought he was joking, so I 'kidded'
hi
m back: "Sure, let's do it!" I said, and jokingly crawled into bed
with
him. I was surprised to find he wasn't kidding when I felt his hard
coc
k on my underpants. "Come on, take your pants off!" he said (again, or
s
omething to that effect), so I did.

It was my first true sexual encounter (beyond just experimentation). I
h
ad fooled around homosexually as a younger child, but other than that I
w
as completely inexperienced. We basically sucked each other's cocks
indi
vidually, then 69'ed, then had anal sex with each other. It hurt
somewha
t with him, because his cock was short but fairly wide around. I, on
the
other hand, was somewhat long but skinny. He talked me into French
kiss
ing; it was the first time I had ever tried it. I was repulsed by the
id
ea at first (How could that bother me when I had already very much
enjoye
d sucking his cock? I don't have a clue!), but liked it soon and well
en
ough. I cummed for the very first time in my life later that night,
righ
t in his mouth, but he did not enjoy it (he did not do the same to me).
W
e fucked around until about five in the morning, when my father's alarm
c
lock went off across the house. We quickly donned our underwear and I
cr
awled back down quietly onto the floor, and into a sleeping bag.

He and I tried to stay over often, without our 'mutual friend' (neither
o
f us had a sexual encounter with him, and neither of us wanted him to
kno
w). We were never caught; to this day, my parents never knew (as far as
I know, anyway!). Unfortunately, about the time I was 16 or 17, Jacob's
mother (who was a widow) found a good job a long ways away, and they had
to move. We stayed in touch, and managed to get two more encounters,
but
the relationship faded away. During the time we were together, I
starte
d masturbating for the first time in my life. I didn't do it all that
of
ten, but I did it to pass the time when we weren't together. I began
hav
ing odd fantasies, too -- often with him, but sometimes even more
bizarre
2E I fantasized about having sex with animals -- but in some of those d
reams I, too, was an animal. The dreams were not cartoon-like, but the
a
nimals had human-like qualities and spoke (I can't remember anything
spec
ific they said). I dreamt about horses and lions mainly.

My life was going nowhere. With my poor grades, most colleges were not
w
ithin reach (because I didn't qualify for scholarships and my parents
wer
e [and still are] in debt). I took a couple tests like the SAT and ACT,
but didn't fare all that well. On a spur-of-the-moment kinda thing, I
to
ok the ASVAB. I thought I'd score low, especially when seeing the
questi
ons about auto-mechanics and noticing the English, science and math
quest
ions were easy and meant to not be the focus. Surprise, surprise,
surpri
se (in a Gomer-Pyle kinda voice): I scored a 96. 40 is passing for
most
services; 50 is considered pretty good; 70 was downright smart. A
score
of 96 was very rare. I was flooded with phone calls (in today's terms
I
guess you'd call it megatons of spam) from all the services. On a
spur-
of-the-moment kinda thing, I signed up with the Navy.

I'll e-mail the details of my short military experience if anyone's
inter
ested, but here is the very condensed version of it. I went to boot
camp
at Great Lakes, IL; I did okay at first; I got sick; had my first true
h
eterosexual sex with another recruit after standing watch at night (both
of us were); Got sicker (not because of the sex); began falling behind
in
basic training; got sent to basically a remedial military procedures
uni
t; failed that; blundered my way around and got sent to separations; had
some really bad experiences there and was sent home. Before joining the
military, I didn't much care for my family, thought I didn't need them.

Things changed big time for me during boot camp; I know realize how
impor
tant my family (including my nagging sister, who, [Pyle voice again]
Surp
rise, surprise, surprise, joined the Marine Corps and enjoyed the hell
ou
t of it despite knee surgery and having an ovary removed after a cancer
w
as discovered). Speaking of my sister, as I write this, she is flying
ho
me for a few weeks. She works as a graphics artist somewhere in New
Orle
ans, Louisiana (she fell in love with the Cajun culture). Basically it
m
eans she sits around all day on a $5000 computer the USMC gave her (she
g
ets to keep it even if she leaves the Corps) and draws logos and things.

Anyhow, back to the story of my life. I was incredibly depressed after
b
oot camp (okay, technically speaking, I got depressed in the middle of
bo
ot camp ... it was discovered months after my discharge by a civilian
doc
tor that a rare but easily detectable and treatable systemic infection
ca
used the depression but the military docs somehow 'missed it', [Pyle
voic
e again :-)] surprise, surprise, surprise!), seeing nothing in my
future.
My parents used some money they had set aside to put me through
college
(which I am now approaching the end of my two-year degree). I hadn't
le
arned to drive yet (my parents couldn't afford driving school at the
lega
l age in my state of 16). Getting the license was easy, but getting a
jo
b was tougher. Things were looking incredibly dim for me; I thought I'd
end up flipping burgers for the rest of my life when I wanted to work
wit
h computers. I ended up working at a local pizzeria a lot; I went from
b
eing a driver (in my mother's car, putting on 200-300 miles a night ...
m
y parents were not too thrilled about it!) to an inside job (cutting
pizz
as, cleaning, organizing deliveries) to balling dough (yes, they made
the
ir own fresh dough every day ... and for seven days a week for six
months
, I made every single doughball!). Balling dough wasn't too bad at
first
; no managers to bother me, and I could do it anytime I wanted before
the
restaurant opens at 11 A.M. I sometimes came in at 2 or 3 in the
mornin
g when I had insomnia and made myself some garlic breadsticks. Big
mista
ke -- not that my bosses minded, but it helped put 50 pounds on me I am
n
ow trying to lose!

I had no sexual activity other than masturbation for the longest time.
I
have never been on a date, and I wasn't about to embarrass myself by
sta
rting out then, and I really wasn't interested in girls, since, pardon
me
female zoos, most of them around here are complete airheads. I had
rece
ived many flirts in high school ... apparently not everyone was turned
of
f by my uniqueness. I never took any of it, though. The fling in Boot
C
amp was mutually just a fling. We were both trying to relieve ourselves
of the incredible pressures welling up from so much discipline-enforced
r
epression.

I never heard from my friend again; I called his last-known phone
number,
but got the 'wrong number' thing ... several times, so I finally gave
up
2E I didn't want to risk advertising my bisexual feelings by asking aro
und, so I just kept myself from having sex; I thought it would be no big
deal. I lied to my friends about it, but the truth was I was hungering
f
or something. I began to have intense and strange fantasies again, but
t
his time I was human and the animals were as animals truly are --
communi
cating in their own way, not in a human way at all. The fantasies
sicken
ed me from all the taboos and shame I had learned were on bestiality. I
couldn't help it; I began to get depressed again thinking I was destined
to be some deviant who would be locked up for life in some mental
institu
tion.

I began to cave into my fantasies a little at a time. I would look for
a
nimal shows on PBS or the Discovery channel, really looking for animals
m
ating. I found a few, and let myself get caught up in the moment,
runnin
g to the bathroom with the images in my mind and masturbating. I
masturb
ated almost every night. My mind swayed from guilt and shame to feeling
like I was bound up tight and needed to free myself. I have always been
one to give pets attention with caressing petting and appreciated
backscr
atches, but I began to do it even more. I would sit for hours, petting
o
ur three cats (sadly, two now; one died of old age and her littermate is
nearing that stage as well).

The summer before last, we had new neighbors move into a new house
across
the street. They brought with them a medium-sized male dog they had
pic
ked up as a stray where they lived last. He was very friendly, and
givin
g him some of the best backscratches he'd ever received made him come to
me for attention as much as them. When others were around, I would
resis
t his attempts to lick my face, but in private I would hunker down to
let
him do it, but I still prevented myself from even letting him lick my
mo
uth.

Last spring (or so), I took the final leap and explored my true self. I
waited for the right moment, when his owners were away and my parents
wer
e too. He approached me, and I let him follow me on the walkway to our
h
ouse. Instead of going inside, and letting him take his usual spot to
re
st after following me outside the door, I turned and opened the door to
t
he garage, inviting him in (but not forcing him). I followed him in,
and
closed and locked the door behind me. (Our garage is separate from the
main house; there are only two doors: the door I came through and the
ma
in access rolling door, which was closed and locked as well).

At first, I just gave him backsratches, but I moved my hands to his
belly
and massaged him there. He liked it a lot, and I let him 'reward me'
by
licking my face -- and this time I let him lick inside my mouth, which
h
e did. It was really turning me on. I moved my hand and felt his cock;
of course, having no experience, I didn't know what to do or how it was
s
upposed to feel, but I felt no balls like I had seen (and paid attention
to) on other dogs, so I suspected he had been neutered. I nonetheless
ma
sturbated him, and between the taste of him licking inside my mouth and
f
eeling his cock, I was really getting swept away with passion. I pulled
off my pants, underwear, shoes and socks. He was panting quite a bit,
an
d it didn't take long for him to sniff my crotch and "play" with my cock
with his tongue. He really did little more than lap at it sporadically,
but it was enough to increase the heat of the moment for me. I went
back
to letting him lick the inside of my mouth, but this time I played with
his tongue with my own, licking around his chops and such.

I moved my head toward his crotch, but he growled softly before I got
too
close, so I stopped. I certainly didn't want to do something he didn't
want me to do. I knew how dogs greeted each other, so I decided to give
it a try (remember, this was before I had been on the Internet at all
and
long before I had been to a zoo site, so I didn't know about the
dangers
of tapeworm, etc.) It wasn't what I had expected -- to taste like what
shit smelled like; it was instead very pleasant, and he and I both
enjoye
d it immensely. I was approaching my maximum erection, so I decided to
m
ake the final maneuver. I gave him a very affectionate backscratch just
above his tail, and he lifted his wagging tail, and I entered him. As I
did so, I leaned over his back.

I felt his tail wag playfully against my chest, and he turned his head
sl
ightly. I managed to hold my penetration and support my head and torso
w
ith my hands flat against the floor just above him, pushup style, and
all
ow him to lick my face as I came fully. I couldn't see, of course, but
I
felt myself ejaculating more cum than I had ever done in my life. It
ju
st kept coming, and every passing moment of it brought such release and
f
eeling of kinship with the animal. After my last spurt crammed into his
ass, I withdrew, exhausted from the experience and yet feeling so
incredi
bly good. He lapped at my quickly-limping cock, enjoying every last bit
of my cum. The cum dripping out of his ass worried me though; I didn't
k
now what my parents would think it was, but I didn't want them to guess.
Sensing it was over, he stood by the door, and I let him out. I closed
and locked the door again, redressed, and wiped up the gobs of my cum
off
the floor.

I thought he might hate me or something after that, after reading how
sex
ual contact with children at a young age, even so-called consentual, led
to a life of violence, et cetra. Of course, I was wrong. He and I grew
closer together, and I enjoyed several such sexual couplings with him
thr
oughout the summer, but the opportunities were often weeks apart.
Noneth
eless, they were so meaningful and such a release to me I instantly
stopp
ed my masturbation which had become a habit I was disgusted with
(fortuna
tely, no one has ever caught me; my sister had teased that I was
masturba
ting when I severely sprained my wrist falling down, but that was some
ti
me before I had started).

My canine companion is still next door to this day, but he has become
mos
tly unavailable, unfortunately. His masters were ordered to keep him
pen
ned up in their backyard after someone in the neighborhood called Animal
Control about a dog who had bitten a child. It couldn't have been him;
h
is masters have many young kids and he is a very gentle dog. But, alas,
he is usually penned up, and I am often gone now too, as I have been
thro
ugh a couple full-time jobs along with full-time school.

Also during the summer and in the heat of my love with the dog, I began
t
o think about having sexual relationships with other animals. One day,
s
eemingly on instinct, when the dog wasn't available for sex, I took a
wal
k down a path that ran through undeveloped land I'd been on with other
ne
ighborhood kids when we were kids (sorry if that doesn't make sense!).
T
he path I knew led to a large pasture, partially forested at the end far
from the farmhouse, with lots of cows and horses. I grabbed a small bag
of apples we'd had for awhile that was in our garage in preparation for
a
possible encounter.

As I approached the barbwire fence and walked along it to the usual
cross
over point, a series of supports for the barbwire lines that double as
a
sort of makeshift stepladder over, a beautiful, young, sensuous Arabian
mare (it didn't take long for me to realize she was a mare; I had
strolle
d through enough pastures including this very one) emerged from a
distant
barn, heading straight for me at a slow pace. I patiently waited to
see
what she'd do. She eyed me curiously as she approached. She came
right
up to me and sniffed me, from my head to my crotch. I was so
enthralled
I almost forgot about the apples. I grabbed one, and she pulled back
at
my sudden movement, but took it appreciatively from my hand. I emptied
the bag of apples over the fence on her side, and stroked her neck as
she
fed.

She neighed softly as I did so, but did nothing but feast. I had a
rough
time at petting her; she was just close enough to the fence to prevent
m
e from being able to swing over to her side. I felt nervous and
couldn't
bring myself to, even after she backed off slightly from the fence and
l
ooked at me. She wasn't frightened of me; she seemed more than a little
curious now. She turned ninety degrees as if to let me have a good look
at her as she began munching on some grass (she had completely eaten the
dozen or so apples by this time). I was so very enthralled just
watching
her, admiring her powerful muscles and unmatched grace. Nothing
describ
ed her better than absolutely beautiful.

A sudden distant noise distracted both of us; it was the sound of the
scr
een door on the distant farmhouse. I'd had an encounter with the family
a
s a young kid, and they were not friendly people; they once chased my
sis
ter off their property with a shotgun. The mare turned her head to see
(
she was facing away from them), then turned to face me an neigh as if in
warning about them. I disheartedly agreed, and picked up the empty
plast
ic sack and trudged home.

What, no jumping over the fence and doing her right there? Wouldn't
that
make the story more interesting? It probably would, but like I said, I
am being completely honest here. I never did take her; that was as
close
as I got. During spring break, I went back to that pasture to look for
her. I was woefully disappointed to see the farmland was being
developed
, and the mare was nowhere in sight. Who the hell calls this
CONstructio
n? They were wreaking Destruction upon the land and the trees! It
reall
y pissed me off, but (obviously) there was little I could do about it.
B
elieve you me, I vote for county officials who support restricting
develo
pers here.

I had a similar encounter with a doe also that summer; I think it was a
f
ew weeks afterward, but I'm not sure exactly when it was. She caught me
by surprise as I was walking on a gravel road toward that pasture; she
wa
s munching on some nearby grass near a large swath of blackberry bushes.
I stopped and gazed at her lovingly. She was so beautiful, so
graceful.
She slowly came up to me, and gently sniffed me with that pulsating
sno
ut. She sniffed my face, and I opened my mouth and drew in her sweet-
sme
lling, enticing breath. A sudden noise made her turn her head suddenly
.
2E. it was some kids on a dirtbike. Very annoying ... and it terrified
that doe. She fled. Damn those kids! The mare was not there, by the
wa
y (but this was before the farm was being developed). I did look for
her
, believe you me.

That dog has been my only true zoosexual partner thus far, though I
reall
y do lust in my heart and my mind for many animals; it is simply a
matter
of accessibility. As I became familiar with the Internet at school, I
s
ought out porn, but nothing really worked for me like the porn labeled
'b
estiality.' The only place I could find it for free was 1hot1's
samples,
which I later learned were nearly all illegally copied by 1hot1. I
down
loaded all the images and brought them home to view and print on my
compu
ter in the middle of the night (we have what was a superior machine, a
Pe
ntium-90, but it had no Internet connections and may not have for quite
s
ome time as our finances are getting so poor we had to cancel expanded
ca
ble; fortunately the cable company let us keep the Discovery channel and
an all new adventure for me, appropriately titled: Animal Planet).

About January of this year, after typing "bestiality" (and trying its
com
mon misspelling, "beastiality") into Yahoo, I stumbled onto a zoo page.
No animal porn, just a lot of questions and answers and very useful
info.
(I can't remember which one it was exactly; there were a couple I went
through ... I have just recently sent the webmasters of few remaining
one
s a heartfelt thank-you via e-mail).

I rubbed my eyes; I couldn't believe what I was reading. There were
o
thers who enjoyed animals like me? Not just forcing sex on them to make
boocoo bucks? Sexual and spiritual relationships? I thought I was
h
allucinating. The bestiality porn pictures I had downloaded earlier (my
favorite was actually of an Arabian stallion in proximity to a mare,
very
erect with the only human female in the picture holding him still by
his
collar, giving a clear view of his very huge cock) were little better
th
an something to masturbate with. I found stories on the sight that not
o
nly turned me on but made me realize who I truly am. I was completely
fl
abbergasted and speechless.

This almost convicted me; I was sitting in my usual spot in a back
corner
against a wall, with the monitor slightly turned so nobody could see.
S
omeone spotted my gaping and wandered over to ask/see what I had found.
Moments before they got to me, I got quickly to my senses and clicked
the
X to close NetScape. Time to put on a poker face. "Dammit ... I hate
t
hat 'Illegal' error message kicking me out!" (It was a common error
that
had frustrated many, including me in the middle of typing out an e-mail
for twenty minutes -- it was worth it to have an alibi though!)

It was a Pentium-60 machine with a very slow connection, and it seemed
to
take forever to get it to disappear off the screen. The person managed
to glimpse text on the screen before it disappeared.

"What'd you find?" they asked. "Oh, a NASA news thing. I just surfed
th
ere from Yahoo, so I didn't even get to keep the Address. Hate it when
t
hat happens," I said, knowing the person knew of my interest in space
exp
loration. They bought it. When they left, I followed the same Yahoo
lin
ks back to the zoo page. I also found a link to something called
"furry"
; I had no idea what it was but I gave it a try; I am now a frequent
visi
tor to <A HREF3D"http://www.furnation.com">http://www.furnation.com</a>.

Since then, a whole new computer lab has been added: Pentium-100s with
n
etworked NetScape. There was one minor difference that changed things
ev
en better for me: unlike the older ones, these ones could do
newsgroups.
This capability wasn't common knowledge among the lab users, and the
on
ly thing I knew about newsgroups is that they wouldn't run on the other
m
achines, and I didn't even try it on the new ones for an entire month.

As I grasped the newsgroup setup, I found
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.a
nimals and alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality. Occasionally, amid
the useless spam (when does 'free bestiality pics' ever mean free
best
iality pics? Absolutely never!) and flames, I found more pictures.
The spam actually did serve a purpose for me; it was sent to so many
grou
ps it helped alt.sex.zoophilia [it was not a valid newsgroup,
unfortunate
ly (what did happen to it, anyway?)]. But alt.sex.bestiality was. And
r
ight there was a newsgroup FAQ explaining that this was NOT the place
for
bestiality pics, it was a meeting place for zoos and talk about zoo
issu
es. BINGO!!! :->

Nonetheless, I just perused through it until a few weeks ago when I
poste
d for the very first time. I was woefully disappointed; all that was
her
e was useless spam, some flames to posts that had long since gone, and
so
me true bestialists (not zoos) seeking people with animals to screw.
Not
what I wanted at all.

Eventually I set up an anonymous e-mail account at RocketMail, the very
o
ne I am using now (I do have a non-zoo e-mail account I have been using
f
or a long time at HotMail, but I don't want people who know me from the
o
ther account to know I'm a zoo, so that's why I have two separate
account
s). I set up the identity info into Netscape, typed "Anonymous Zoo" as
m
y name (or something like that), and voile! I responded to a couple
thin
gs that did seem 'serious' about a week ago, my very first post to
a.s.b.
, and made several new newsgroup posts of my own. (See the bottom of
thi
s article for info on my new zoo handle)

The response was almost immediate and a great relief. I felt an instant
kinship with all zoos. I had received other e-mail from a lot of other
p
eople (at my HotMail account), but most of them couldn't spell worth
bean
s and never saw things the way I did. Reading these e-mails, I had to
do
uble-check who they were from and my memory to make sure I hadn't sent
th
em to myself! Of all the different groups and cliques, I think us zoos
w
ould be the best fit for a stereotype. There are a few minor
differences
, mostly due to different backgrounds and experience levels. Compared
to
most, I am still a newbie. And yet I feel I have known these fellow
zoo
s all my life ... as if we all share one mind or something. It's
actuall
y still a little spooky to me, but I feel perfectly comfortable sharing
e
ven my deepest secrets with someone I have never met before, even on-
line
2E

An update from spring break: My life has so much more meaning
now
that I know my feelings are not a sign that I am some sick, evil, vile
p
erson. I cannot say all my guilt and shame over my zoo feelings has
gone
away; if it had, I wouldn't be hiding my true self from others. I
still
cling to residue of guilt, but it is dominated by fear of being
discover
ed.

And that's basically it. That's me. Or is it also you, too? One
fellow
zoo e-mailed me his life story; it was the same as mine, nearly to a t!
The only differences were he was slightly older, had far more zoo
experi
ences, and was in the Navy slightly longer! :-) I have never met
another
zoo in person, and from the very low percentage estimates I received
fro
m one fellow zoo (about one one-thousandth of a percentile, they
estimate
d), it looks fairly unlikely unless something is set-up on-line. I do
wa
nt to, though, so yahoo to whoever proposed a national zoo organization,
I'm all for it! ;-)

Doug Jones

unread,

Jun 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/7/99

On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 02:50:17 GMT, pro4a...@my-deja.com wrote:

>Since it looks like no one here cares what graphic sex, 3 and 4 year old
>and other off topic materials zoophiles post against me,

No, we don't care about you, either. We are ignoring you. Go away.

>I am going to
>begin a series of educational posts in this thread entitled: "What
>zoophiles do"
>

Please DON'T.

Doug Jones

Rat & Swan

unread,

Jun 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/7/99

I agree this should go elsewhere; it's a bit graphic for this
ng. But, if the encounter was as described, it sounds
quite consentual to me, especially since when the author
tried to do something the dog didn't want and was growled
at, he stopped. I don't see anything wrong with this.

Rat
<snip>

pro4a...@my-deja.com

unread,

Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99

In article <375C32...@pacbell.net>,

lab...@pacbell.net wrote:
> I agree this should go elsewhere; it's a bit graphic for this
> ng.

And all the garbage posted over the last two months by your zoophile
friends wasnt graphic?

But, if the encounter was as described, it sounds
> quite consentual to me, especially since when the author
> tried to do something the dog didn't want and was growled
> at, he stopped. I don't see anything wrong with this.
>
> Rat

You *would* see it that way, of course you only have the author's biased
description of what really happened, in any case the animal was not even
his.

Maybe you should read the "equipment for zooish activities" below, from
which this appears:

SNIP

If you are caught but they didn't see anything, about
the only thing they can charge you with is trespassing.

Beware of cars. Assume that every car that passes is
a cop.

Don't be afraid of asking the owner for help if you
have been kicked, injured, or are very cold. It is
much better to be charged for trespassing than to
bleed or freeze to death.

A good way of not being caught is to know that the
owners are out for while. I like to find out as much
as possible about the owners and their movement
habits. I look at the house and see if the pattern of
lights has or has not changed for about two hours. If
the lights haven't changed I give them a call to see
if their is anyone at home and ask for some bullshit
person is
home. If no answer I go on with the visit. Also no tire
tracks in the snow is a dead giveaway that they
aren't home

SNIP

In article <375b9d56...@news.telenet.net>,

jon...@nospamtelenet.net wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 02:50:17 GMT, pro4a...@my-deja.com wrote:

> >Since it looks like no one here cares what graphic sex, 3 and 4 year
old
> >and other off topic materials zoophiles post against me,

> No, we don't care about you, either. We are ignoring you. Go away.

By your response here it sure looks that way ;)
Continue to ignore.

> >I am going to
> >begin a series of educational posts in this thread entitled: "What
> >zoophiles do"

> Please DON'T.

Sorry, it's too late.

I have been very restrained and considerate of readers during this past
month and a half of personal attacks by several zoophiles.

Since they choose to attack me here personally in every way possible,
including posting off topic garbage, cursing etc, I feel
it's time to turn the tables and show readers exactly what zoophilia is
and what zoophiles do.

Tallthin zoophile began posting here on this topic again after a couple
of weeks where no one posted, and started this up again.

I don't plan to start cursing and swearing, nor will I cross post
massive numbers of posts. I will simply set a personal goal of posting
information/materials from zoophiles forums, FAQ's and other resources
on exactly what zoophiles do to/with animals perhaps two posts a day.

It will be up to the readers to decide if they want to read this thread
as I will post these in this thread. It will also be up to the reader to
decide if these zoophile activities are what they approve of as good
healthy clean fun, or if there is abuse.
If the reader concludes a negative set of views and thoughts on this
issue after reading, then you know how to contact your legislators and
you know where to go for resources to find out what you can do to help
legislation.

I have come to the conclusion that one reason zoophiles continue
posting here is not concern for the animals, but concern their own butts
are on the line as they don't want this legislation or anyone telling
them they can't continue having sex with animals.

I also came to the conclusion that the other reason they are posting
here is to sidetrack and waste my time responding to their snuffling
garbage. So to make up for lost time and to show some examples, here we
go with part #3 of "What zoophiles do"

First, here is a zoophile's guide, followed by a zoophile's profile
from a zoophile chat, then
the spine thrilling story of another zoophiliac who "came out" to his
mother, and then her
subsequently attempting suicide as a result.
Obviously the psychological need to "come out" and inform people of this
perversion is an indication of some serious psychological disturbances.
This one reported having "informed" his aunts, uncles, mother and
friends.

===================================================

Equipment for zooish activities in the winter
By
squ...@rocketmail.com

In This file I will give examples of the thing that I
use when I "Go For A Walk" There are many files
devoted to the practices and methods of Zoophiles,
This file examines the equipment that our zoo
community uses during the long cold Maine winter.
Enjoy!
squ...@rocketmail.com

1. Warm clothes

coat, not usually worn on street, preferably black

Warm hat

Dark work pants or jeans

Two layers of thick socks, For extra warmth and
padding for that misplaced hoof.

Thermal underwear, Top and bottom

I don't recommend a raincoat for bad whether, it
tends to make noise.

Many pairs of gloves, The last thing your lover needs
shoved up her pussy is a cold pair of hands.

A few T-shirts provide added padding from love bites.

A sweater or a equivalent warm shirt.

Knee, elbow, and shin pads worn under clothes. To aid
in comfort and protection.

Heavy boots, Preferbly with a steel toe so you will
not mash your toes.

2. Tools of the trade

A black 5 gallon bucket, I have found that the bucket
should have its handle removed to reduce noise. There
in nothing louder than a 5 gallon bucket rolling down
hill. The handle banging into the side of the bucket
while you are trying to run after it. With your
pants down to your ankles!

lubricants, I have successfully used lubricants to
make life easier and more comfortable. I have used
some of these; egg-white, aloe vera gel, watered down
ky, and good old spit, and whatever you do KEEP IT
WARM!

Urine, During deer hunting season go to Kmart and buy
some "Doe In Heat" deer urine. Last year I got a few
bottles and a gelding that I was visiting seemed to
take a intrest in the stuff. Granted it was not of
the same species but judging by the size of his
erection he didn't seem to mind.

Food, Anything that they would consider a treat. like
apples, carrots, bread, breakfast cereal, coke,
Pepsi. or anything else that you can think of that
they don't get normally.

A wash cloth, I don't know about you but it isn't one
of my favorite things to be sucking on a mares pussy
and find my mouth running into a layer of shit. Make
sure that the wash cloth is made of cotton and it is
warm. They don't appreciate a cold wash cloth rubbing
their nether regions.

Flashlight, I don't recommend the use of a
flashlight, It tends to bring attention. Use an
Indiglow watch.

A Condom, It doesn't hurt to rubber up.

Never carry identification, If you drop it they will
know who Has been screwing with the horses.

A thermos bottle, carry warm/hot water in it to aid
in washing and warming chilled hands.

A towel, to aid in washing and cleaning her up after
you are done.

Decongestant, Take some of these an hour before you
go out. It really sucks when you can't stop coughing
and the owners are outside investigating.

A backpack, Use the smallest one you can find to
carry every thing you need.

A first aid kit

Snake bite kit, South west only.

Breath mint, Use your imagination!

3. So have you been caught?

These are some things to bring with you to look more
natural.

A fishing pole and maybe some fish.

A bike, It is helpful if the paddock is near some
trails.

A pair of binoculars and a wildlife guide book or a
star chart for night time use.

A shovel, Just say you were burying a dead cat. Use
this one only once.

A pair of cross country skis

If you are caught but they didn't see anything, about
the only thing they can charge you with is trespassing.

Beware of cars. Assume that every car that passes is
a cop.

Don't be afraid of asking the owner for help if you
have been kicked, injured, or are very cold. It is
much better to be charged for trespassing than to
bleed or freeze to death.

If you get caught in the act; beg for mercy, bribe
them, smack them and run, and get a lawyer. The key
point here is to avoid detection whenever possible.

Learn from your mistakes, Be careful, Have Fun...
squ...@rocketmail.com

====================================================

** Marelover is a lover of mares ***

I am marelover, 37/m zooexclusive who loves horses
I have a small boarding stable in Central Nebraska
my lovers are suzy, 26 yr old chesnutt quarter mare Ive had 11 years.
and fancy, 4 yr old blk/wte appaloosa mare, who Ive had since a yearling
I enjoy meeting and talking with other zoo's.

===================================================

Well, here it is. The meat of the whole site! Once you've read this bit
you may as well go; it all gets more boring from here on! But anyway,
the matter at hand. Me and my sexuality. I'm hoping that if you've
gotten this far you'll have noticed that I am in fact a zoophile, or to
be more specific an equiphile. A zoophile is (by my definition at least)
someone who forms an emotional bond with an animal, which can be
expressed sexually. And likewise, an equiphile is someone who forms an
emotional bond with horses, or equids, that can be expressed sexually.

So as I say, it ain't easy. I've basically got to lead two lives; one
for me and people in the know, and one for everyone else. Even some of
my closest friends and family members don't know about my equiphilia.
Every day I wake and the first thought in my head is of horses. Every
night (or morning life's pretty hectic for me right now) I go to sleep
and the last thought in head is of horses. I'm totally besotted with
them, and having to lie about that really hurts. But as I say, a lot of
people can't quite wrap their heads around the whole thing.

One thing that I'm certain of though, is that I'm doing the right
thing. For years I've been a devoted animal lover, I'm vegetarian, have
often campaigned for things I believe in, and have four very well cared
for dogs; Yorkshire Terriers. (I'm a strict equiphile, and dogs aren't
of any sexual interest to me - Sorry all you caniphiles!).

There are a good few people though who know about my equiphilia. My
brother knows, two or three friends know, aunts, uncles, grandparents,
and parents. Parents. Well, things didn't go so well there. In fact
things went terribly. When they first found out, about 18 months ago
now, their first reaction was that I needed therapy. My father had to go
out that day, leaving my mother and me alone. My mother's second
reaction was that she should just go. She came back hours later telling
me that she'd nearly killed herself; she'd nearly driven her car into a
wall.
Well, months after we finally managed to get a placement with
therapy. Me and my mother were still not able to be together peacefully,
and we weren't going to be able to for several months. Well, therapy
began August 97. It went on until December that year. The verdict?
Nothing wrong with me.

[Sounds like he needs a new therapist!]

If I am attracted to animals instead of humans,
as long as I can cope with it and I'm not doing any harm, no problem.
Well, now it's October 1998. My mother for a while thought it was a
phase I was going through, though I hope that now she is coming to terms
with the whole idea. Since that day in June 97, my mother has twice more
attempted suicide. That was then, and now I'm looking forward.

In under a year's time I'll be leaving home, hopefully to go to
university. A three year course there and that's it; I'm out into the
real world. Though as you can see looking at these pages, I've a fair
few talents which I'm hoping will help me with my future life. To be
honest I'm very uncertain of the future. I know I want nothing more than
to be able to settle down with maybe a little Welsh Mountain Pony (geez,
that still sounds odd), but zoophilia is illegal over here for God's
sakes!
I wonder what my Mom would think of having a fillie-in-law!?
==============================

[She probably would go ahead and kill herself, your selfishness and
psychological problems already caused her to attempt it more than once]

================================

I have spoken to a number of zoos, many with extensive experience. I
have not yet spoken to Hossie ... are you
referring to the same Hossie who has a page at FurNation? I'm not
sure how these rate with you, but I have
spoken via e-mail with Asikaa and Stasya. One zoo in particular has been
an active zoophile for nearly 40 years.

"Child genius"? Hardly. I, like many kindred zoos I have met on-line,
was a social outcast as a child. I had great
difficulties in school and with other kids.

> Just because you managed to stick your dick up the ass of a medium
sized dog >
> without lubrication doesn't make you a zoophile either.

How did
deal with the fact that your parents and relatives know that you are a
zoo? What about a dictitorial father who wants to keep you at home
wisdom to help out all of my readers.

========================================================

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i currently live in arkansas, and am a 22 year old male...i

have

my own mare now, she's a grey arab mare, about 5 years old.

also looking for the "girl" of my dreams, someone to share

a unique life with... in any case, wanna know more? .tell me or

something ;)

Apr 17 09:43) From Kurr: My place is in Wisconsin (about 35 miles

NE of Madison), and it's a

remodeled 4-bdrm farmhouse on about 100 acres. Whoever would

move

in could have animals (of course), probably up to two dogs or two

larger critters like horses.

(Apr 17 09:46) From Kurr: My horses would be strictly off-limits -

I would definitely choose a non-

zoo housemate above a zoo housemate I can't trust around my

animals.

(Apr 17 09:51) From Kurr: Though you could get/bring your own

critters, and if I'm feeling really nice

I'd probably give whoever moved in the mini cross that I have on a

permanent basis.

(Apr 17 09:51) From Kurr: Though you could get/bring your own

critters, and if I'm feeling really nice

I'd probably give whoever moved in the mini cross that I have on a
permanent basis.

(Apr 17 09:56) From Kurr: In case you're wondering, she's not
'defective' or anything like that - I'm

just not a big fan of minis in general (don't even ask how I ended

up with her, it's a _long_ story).

(Oct 10 19:51) From Wrangler: Once more in case you missed it last
time...FOR SALE: 25 acres in southwest US desert, old smelly mobile
home, horse pens and shelter, water, electric, phone, mini mare and
*trained* mini stallion included for only $11,000 !!!
(Oct 10 19:56) From Wrangler: It's about 20 miles from a small city
(pop. over 10,000). It's not my place. It belongs to an elderly zoo
who's now just barely able to care for the horses.
.se zoo
Forest: (Oct 10 19:56) From Wrangler: It's about 20 miles from a small
city (pop. over 10,000). It's not my place. It belongs to an elderly
zoo who's now just barely able to care for the horses.

1 occurences found.
Snowpup hugs around

=========

My M i s s i o n

inform and to teach whatever I know to those about the feelings they have. I also hope to make some
sceptics reralize that there is nothing that makes "US"
different than "YOU". Its just that we have a brouder range
in Sometimes sexual partner.
My H i s t o r y

I
realized I was a zoo when I was at a summer Veteranary class
at a internationaly renoun hospital for large animals called
"The New Bolten Facility" in PA. It was nearing the the end
of the summer and I was to wittness the gathering of sperm
from a stalion. The act of this aroused me quite a lot and
it allmost scared me at first. So Idetourmand to find the
reason for my excitement. So here i am and i hope i can aid
you in any way possible.
More
About Me I
have found it very hard to "Come Out" to my friends as well
as my family. At first i didnt know how to do it, I thought
i could keep it a secret, i thought no one would ever
out.. Then my friend put it all togather.. Why i would stop
in the middle of the highway to pick up a lost dog, or why i
would spend all of my waking hours working at the

Chat log of a zoophile on irc.dal.net running an illegal pornography
trading server, the log and index
of files in just one directory on his hard drive: 
 
Session Start: Fri Jan 16 1998 
DCC Chat session 
- 
Client: Dog-dude (206.64.48.206) 
- 
 
(Dog-dude) [\*.*] 
(Dog-dude) COW 
(Dog-dude) DOG 
(Dog-dude) FUR ART 
(Dog-dude) GOAT 
(Dog-dude) HORSE 
(Dog-dude) NONZOO 
(Dog-dude) OTHER 
(Dog-dude) PIG 
(Dog-dude) SHEEP 
(Dog-dude) ZIPS 
(Dog-dude) files.txt 115559b 
(Dog-dude) guidek9.txt 20037b 
(Dog-dude) how2k9.txt 13956b 
(Dog-dude) mandycfm.jpg 16052b 
(Dog-dude) End of list. 

(Guest) cd sheep 
[\sheep] 
(Guest) ls 
[\sheep\*.*] 
.. !bighorn.j 
312q.jpg 312t.jpg 
MOVIES SHEEPY 
blshep01.jpg blshep02.jpg 
blshep03.jpg blshep06.jpg 
blshep09.jpg blshep4.jpg 
blshep5.jpg clamp12.jpg 
fukewe01.jpg fukewe02.jpg 
fukewe03.jpg fukewe04.jpg 
fukewe05.jpg fukewe06.jpg 
fukewe07.jpg goat-1.jpg 
ram-13bw.jpg ram-1bw.jpg 
ram-2bw.jpg ram-3c.jpg 
ram-4cu.jpg ram-6c.jpg 
ram-7c.jpg ram-8bw.jpg 
ram-9bw.jpg ram_2.jpg 
ram_4.jpg sheep-1.jpg 
sheep-11.jpg sheep.jpg 
sheepf01.jpg sheepf02.jpg 
sheepf04.jpg sheepf13.jpg 
sheepf14.jpg sheepf15.jpg 
sheepf17.jpg sheepf18.jpg 
sheepf19.jpg sheepf20.jpg 
sheepf21.jpg sheepf23.jpg 
sheepf24.jpg sheepf25.jpg 
sheepf88.jpg sheepf89.jpg 
sheepf90.jpg sheepf91.jpg 
sheepf94.jpg sheepf95.jpg 
sheepf99.jpg sheepfuck.jpg 
shepcunt.jpg shepcunt1.jpg 
End of list.

(Dog-dude) You into sheep and goats? 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) hehe 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) just browsing your server 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) have you been with any? 
(Guest) no 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) I am going to get a lamb in march or 
april.. mmm she is going to be good 
(Guest) how old tho 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) well a friend down in california is 
getting the lamb.. I figure I will SNIP her when 
she is 4-5 months old 
(Guest) sounds kinda young 
(Dog-dude) 11 is almost dead 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) when do they mature? 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) tight too 
(Guest) lambs are cheap, as are most of the aniamls 
used for food 
(Guest) dont know a thang about sheep 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) yea, I am going to give him about a 
hundred dollars for it.. She will be mine to do 
as I wish 
(Dog-dude) Adult sheep a SLOPPY!!!!!!!1 
(Dog-dude) Big f-SNIP hole 
(Guest) nods 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) $100, geez I seen lambs for $15 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) I have a nice pic of the husky c-SNIP 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) yea, but he will be keeping her for a 
few months I will go back down the end of summer 
and have her again. then haver her butchered 
(Guest) cool 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
* Dog-dude nods 
(Dog-dude) it is worth a 100 bucks 
(Guest) :-) 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) nice tight lamb 
(Dog-dude) mmmmmmmmmm 
(Guest) thougth you were a dog only guy judging by your handle 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) hehe :) 
(Dog-dude) I am into everything !!!! 
(Guest) hehe 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) yea, well I will f-SNIP just about 
anything that aint human 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) most livestock is kept just for food 
anyway 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) That is the way I see it.. Mandy I make 
love with 
(Dog-dude) yup.. so what if you happen to f-SNIP a 
little lamb here and there. 
(Guest) eyah I guess 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) I did the same thing last year 
(Dog-dude) I dont care for sheep.. they are Very 
wet and sloppy.. 
(Dog-dude) the lamb I had last year died though 
(Guest) wet and sloppy? 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) yea.. they are lube factorys 
(Dog-dude) My friend got rough with the lamb and 
f-SNIP her a bit to hard 
(Guest) oops 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) yea, it sucked 
(Guest) wat did he do? 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) I think he broke her back.. but I was 
not there. 
(Guest) geez that takes a considerable force 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) she was only about 3-4 months old 
(Dog-dude) yes I supose it does.. 
(Dog-dude) so he really doesnt care what I do with 
her... 
(Dog-dude) I was thinking of getting rough also.. 
but not sure 
(Guest) yeah 
(Guest) why would he care, if its your 
money/animal 
(Dog-dude) It can be thrilling to do things like 
that :) 
(Dog-dude) he doesnt 
(Guest) most livestock sellers arent attached to 
the animakls, they are just a product 
(Dog-dude) but I would have to dig the hole :( 
(Guest) yeah u would 
(Dog-dude) correct 
(Dog-dude) deep too 
(Dog-dude) well I know she will have a big hole 
when I am done :) 
(Guest) lol 
(Dog-dude) I know this guy likes to abuse 
livestock.. he was f-SNIP a turkey last sept. 
(Dog-dude) you got that right 
(Dog-dude) what is a little bit of lamb blood 
(Guest) well abuse is another thing 
(Dog-dude) seasiony 
(Dog-dude) well, f-SNIP a turkey is abusive to me 
(Guest) nods 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) but how am I to judge 
(Dog-dude) I want to nail a young lamb 
(Guest) it would be clear 
(Guest) if its torture its abuse 
(Dog-dude) clear? 
(Guest) ya 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) fowl are too small for humans 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) oh.. I dont think he tortures.. he has 
never said anything like that to me 
(Dog-dude) yea they are. 
(Guest) but s-SNIP aturkey thats too small 
amoutns to torture 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) huh? 
(Dog-dude) if the lamb dies fast I feel it is okay. 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) well, I just bought a digital camera.. I 
will give you before and after shots :) 
(Guest) :-) 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) yep u have to 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) late march or april I will be done there 
for a week or so :) 
(Guest) nice 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) california? 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) yup 
(Guest) long trip 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Guest) liek arent there sheep for sale closer to 
you? 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) yea there are.. but I have no where to 
keep them.. I have to take them out in the 
forest to f-SNIP them 
(Guest) ahhh ok 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) naaa, just some rice :) 
(Dog-dude) but lamb is good to eat :) 
(Guest) hehe 
(Dog-dude) Invalid command. 
(Dog-dude) yea, they squirm really well 
Session Cl

pro4a...@my-deja.com

unread,

Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99

Here first is a little more background info on a zoophilia's early
years.

The equine Depony grew up with both feeling of self despair and self
hatred. Why did I have to be different of everyone else growing up
around
me? I seemed like your typical everyday foal, but liying underneath his
golden coat was a burning individual.

I am a zoophile.

A Zoophile??
What is that? Well to be honest, I prefer to have sexual relationships
with animals. Well horses mainly; that is what a zoophile is.

"That is sick!"
I guess the reaction of most might be.

Well, when I
was a foal I thought that of myself for the most part. To tell the
truth I kinda enjoy having sex with horses. That's the problem, I enjoy
having sex with horses. Probably too much. But ya know. On the other
hand,
girls never turned me on. Oh of course I tried fucking them now and
then,
but I had a tough time getting off. In actuality I didn't like having
sex
with girls at all, too uncomfortable and I felt totally out of place.
That
of course would put a damper on our relationship, obviously.

Being in school was
tough, all those boys in the locker room swapping stories about who
fucked
who, who had the biggest schlong, etc. I had no stories, well non that
I could share. Soon the rumors would start, "Hey, Depony man, he's gay!"
Well you know, I never did talk about girls and I would be totally
embarrassed when the other boys would ask me if I had a girl friend.

After
school I would visit the local stable. That's where I was the most
happy.
I loved all the horses. They seemed like my true friends. I had a few
human
friends, but not as many as my equine friends. I would groom them, feed
them, (fucked em) gave them tons of affection. But they turned me on
man.

About the only
thing that sounded normal to me at that time was depression. I had quite
a bit of it, so much in fact that my folks actually started worrying
about
me.

It seems where
ever there is depression comes head shrinks. I saw a few of them
throughout
my foal-hood. But the only one that actually made sense to me was the
one
that I saw when I moved away from my folks (which was part of my
treatment
for depression.).

I guess telling him that I liked to fuck horses more
than girls was a start. Well, after all he was the first shrink that I
had ever told that I actually did that. When I spilled my guts to him I
was for certain that he would break out laughing then send me away to
the
happy farm for the sexually oppressed or something of that nature.

What I heard
from him made me feel a way that I haven't felt in a long time, kinda
happy.
(I bet your just dying to hear what he said.) He said that in his
personal
judgment that I would be allot happier if I just stick with my horses.
(HUH!?) "isint what Im doing abnormal?" I asked?

He replied; Well there's
a fine line between what is actually normal and not-normal. If you look
at it, being unhappy is far from being normal or healthy. Besides show
me a normal person and I'll show you an honest politician. Truthfully,
you have learn to be your own self instead of being someone your
not.

"But what about societies
disapproval in zoophilia?" I asked.

If your going
to live your lifestyle your going to have to be careful and deal with
societies
disapproval. But remember to continue to be a sociable, hardworking
person
and take part in the society you live in, in stead of dropping out of
it.
Finally, remember. You always take care of all the horses you decide to
have a relationship with. That's probably the single most important
thing!

This shrink was understanding
of who I was and helped me out allot. As well as my mom, who also knows
of my sexual preference. At times life is still hard, but at least im
happy with who I am
==================================================================

Nearly half of

the states in these United States have anti-bestiality, anti sodomy
laws currently on the books! These laws are outdated, combine church and
state and are simply not needed. Most of them have been created by
conservative,
right winged government officials who are both ignorant and bigoted.
These laws infringe upon our personal right to choose our CONSENTING
sexual partners.

[ ANIMALS are not consenting adults ]

It is our responsibility
to start to educate the general public through awareness of who we are
as people. The internet is a good start, lets continue it! Research and
study is needed, lets do it! 
===============================================

This is the site of a zoophile community organization based in the San
Francisco Bay Area. There's a bit of information about zoophilia and a
personals section. (indexed January 15, 1998)

http://woods.bianca.com/shacklet/White_Shadow/ White Shadow's Nasty
Stories

This site has a collection of sex stories with a variety of themes,
story collections including BDSM, bestiality, incest, and scat stories,
a forum for discussing bestiality, and personal ads for zoophiles.
There's also a set of links to other bestiality sites.indexed October
27, 1997
==============

Subject: RE: Zoophilia/ a brief primer - the psychology of sexual
disorders

A list member requested information regarding the psychology of
zoophilia.

A paraphilia refers to a disordered sexual object of choice that can
impair

the capacity for erotic relations between human beings. Paraphilias

comprise a variety of unusual objects and situations which are sexually

arousing to some individuals. There are three categories of
paraphilias:

1. sexual arousal and preference for nonhuman objects (including

fetishes such as zoophilia)

2. sexual arousal and preference for situations that involve suffering
and

humiliation (sadism and masochism)

3. sexual arousal and preference for nonconsenting partners

(exhibitionism, voyerism, zoophilia and pedophilia)

Zoophilia (bestiality) is classified as a fetish (to be sexually
aroused by a nonhuman object). A fetish may be revealed when adult
erotic

relationships are unsatisfactory. Fetishists also commonly have
difficulty

dealing with the complexity of human relationships.

The majority of paraphilias (including fetishes) occur among men. When

the fetish is absent, the fetishist often experiences erectile
dysfunction.

Fetishists may also experience shame and/or guilt which furthur
isolates

the fetishist from sexual activity with other people. Individual

problems may include depression, anxiety and occasionally, trouble with

the law.
===========================

SanDiegoZoosexuals
Huskey
4:00 am Tuesday October 20, 1998
Hey,
If there are any Zoosexuals in the san diego area please drop
me a line. I am starting a Zoophile group. We are meeting in 2
weeks. If interested please feel free to email me for more info.
Huskey
mailto
=========================

Subject: Sexual intercourse with horses.

From: an17...@anon.penet.fi

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 05:36:59 UTC

This is a how to sheet for having sex with horses. I found it on a ftp

site. In my mind it is more than a little immoral (It treats horses

like nothing more than sexual objects.) However the basic concepts
seem

to be intact and I'm sure some people are interested so here it is...

HORSE HELP

A Beginners Guide

SNIP
The Mare - how to do it.

Mares can be quite satisfactory for the average well endowed male. If
you are somewhat less developed you might find better pleasure with a
pony or Miniature Horse. These are also better as they are lower to
the ground. intercourse with any horse will depend on the horse.

Limit her access to other horses though and see that she spends

at least 8-12 hours a day in the stall. (Start with more free time and
as she approaches her first birthday confine her more...she is now at
the right age and her confinement will have made her so bored that she
is amenable to any new experience
================
Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:45:52 alt.sex.bestiality Thread 175
of 176

Lines 55 Re: Comparisons? Dogs/Sheep/Mules/Horses/CowsNo
responses

equu...@worf.infonet.net Equuinox at INS Info Services, Des Moines,
IA, USA

In article <3kiqaf$12...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, <gal...@ibm.net>
wrote:
>I've been wondering for quite some time about the best 'feeling' of all
of the>animals.
>
>I've had intercoarse with sheep, mules, horses, and cows (all females)

>
>and was wondering if there was one species that was 'better' than
another
>feeling wise.
Well, I think that would depend on each individual's
taste...speaking

strictly from my own experience I find horses to be my absolute
favorite,

but llamas run a close second (and might even top the equines if I get
the

chance to experiment a little more)...I wasn't particularly impressed
with

my sheep and cow experiences (nice, but nothing special), and dogs make

great friends but don't do much for me sexually. I've not made it with

mule, but if they are anything like donkeys then I would probably find
the experience extremely pleasurable..I just love scratching my ass, and
he likes it too *grin* . My experiences with other exotics have been,
well, unique...and I'd love to get another chance at that Bactrian.

Well, I expect that the canine proponents will now have another
running battle with the ungulate fanatics over who is the critter of
choice.
fans the flames, grinning evilly*

HORSES AND LLAMAS KICK BUTT!
_________________________________________

Life as a zoo, curtesy of "Mark Cloud"</H2>

</HEAD>

<BODY>

<HR>

Sometimes writing things down helps me sort things through so here

goes. My life as a zoo has two sides to it. On one side I am more or

less a quite individual who keeps his personal life personal. Actually

it goes

beyond that, I stay in the closet a little afraid of being discovered,
but

mainly content to keep my 'unusual' desires to myself. And then there
is

the other side, the side that is driving me to post now, the side that

has

driven me to seek out and visit other zoo's. I have been reading this

newsgroup for 7 +/- years, posting occasionally using different names
and

different

accounts. Perhaps a few of you will recognize me perhaps not. Part of

what keeps me posting is some of the personal mail I have received
after

one of my posts. I have gotten some real genuine questions. I would

like to

think that my responses have helped them. Unfortunately I am spread so

thin that I don't have the energy to pursue most of the people who

contact me, which is fine. I do keep in contact with a few.

If you are interested in reading about an actual zoo encounter then

skip the rest of this post and read my next post. This post will be
more

focused on my life which I am making public for what it is worth (while

remaining anonymous of course).

I have posted my history before. Suffice it to say that I am in

my late 20's and have had experience with human males and females as
well

as male and female dogs. Before you label me promiscuous my sexual

endevours have been limited to three humans and 7 dogs. My human

experiences have been recent while my zoo behavior stems back to my
teens.

Psychologically I am a bit of an enigma (or so I would like to think).

I am extremely sexual with animals, but with humans I am quite
reserved. My

first serious contact with a human left me physically shaking.
Basically it

was an experiment. I have always been attracted to male humans

(physically not emotionally) and dogs. Having just started a
potentially

serious relationship with a women. I needed to know which side of the
line

(homo/hetero) I stood on. The male I choose to sleep with was also a

zoo.

found the experience exilerating, but it was purely sexual, not the
type of

thing relationships are built on. I hate the word 'gay' (part of my

upbringing) but bi or gay is fitting. Over a year has now past and I
am

still

seeing this women (nothing sexual yet). I suppose I am hoping that
something

will click inside of me and I will be able to add sexual relationship
to our

stable emotional one so we can slip into mainstream America. My zoo
life

would

remain in the closet as well as my male encounter. But I don't see
this

happening I won't let my self get physically involved with a human
female.

Now human dogs on the other hand are different. This is were I get
confused.

I get aroused by human males, female dogs drive me crazy, human females

nothing (only in my dreams which makes me believe that I am blocking my

attraction). Now emotionally I could never develop a relationship with
a

human male, it grates too much against my societal brainwashing. I
suppose

if I found a zoo female things would be fine, but they are hard to come
by.

Things may also be fine if I could throw off the 'gay' stigma and
settle

down with a male zoo, but I really want kids.

So what is the bottom line? Where does a male zoo with gay tendencies

and a conservative upbringing fit in in our society? I don't know, but
I

am going to find out.
=================

As my relationships with women faltered (generally due to lack of
effort

on my part), I started to do a little research on my own, using the
local

library. I gradually came to realize that the were more than two
sexual

orientations, the other people existed that had the same desires I did.

I also came to realize that not all religions banished people to who
had

sex with animals to the "pits of Hell". In certain countries, in
certain

cultures, zoophilia was relatively accepted. This caused me to start

wondering why Cristianity condemned those that led this life to eternal

damnation. I never found a good reason, and thus began my long journey

back to the truth - that zoophilia isn't bad, immoral, or unethical.
It

is a relatively rare desire that some people posess, and even fewer of

them act upon - the rest find the social pressure insurmountable, and

attempt to live what they believe are "normal" lives. Sometimes they

succeed, but I still can't help but feel sorry for them, for the fact

that they chose to live their lives according to the morals of others.

Now that I know the truth, I cannot believe that I missed the early

signs. For example, I have always been able to watch pornographic
films

involving men and women without becoming aroused. On the other hand,

shows on the Discovery channel involving horses, zebras, large cats,

etc. never failed to get me "in the mood." As I've told others in the

past, "If I was around in the times of Lady Godiva, I would have been

looking at the horse." :)

Several years ago, when I came upon a.s.best, I was very happy to

discover other zoophiles, others who shared my feelings. The

discussions I found on the group erased any remaining doubts I had

about zoophilia. Yes, we have our differences, but we still have

something in common, something which others may label disgusting,

perverted, or evil - sexual attration to animals. We may be a

dysfunctional family, but we are a family, nonetheless.

This brings me to the second part of this post, which covers the

environmental pressures that helped make me a zoophile. As I said

in my delurk post, I have always prided myself in being able to read

the emotions and motivations of other people. As I began to have

relationships with women, I started to see traits I didn't like -
excessive

pride, hatred, malice, and greed. Not that these traits are only
present

in women, they are present at times in virtually everyone (including
me).

The problem was that these traits kept me from trusting the women I was

with - a relationship without trust is nothing. Animals, on the other

hand, do not possess these qualities - I found them much easier to
place

my trust in.

Another event which, while happening too late to cause me to become a

zoophile, influenced my thoughts on women, was my parent's divorce
(which

happened perhaps two years ago). It wasn't the divorce, exactly, but
the

fact that it was because my mother had an affair - an affair which I
had

been aware of for two years before my father found out. Not that my

mother told me about it - I just figured it out because I wasn't
blinded

by trust as were my father and other family members. I still regret
not

telling my father about the affair - it just isn't an easy subject

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Rat & Swan

unread,

Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99

I'm sorry I posted: haven't you ever heard of brevity?

pro4a...@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <375C32...@pacbell.net>,
> lab...@pacbell.net wrote:

<snip>

> But, if the encounter was as described, it sounds
> > quite consentual to me, especially since when the author
> > tried to do something the dog didn't want and was growled
> > at, he stopped. I don't see anything wrong with this.

> You *would* see it that way, of course you only have the author's biased
> description of what really happened,

As I said, IF the encounter was as described. What part
of "if" don't you understand?

> in any case the animal was not even
> his.

As a staunch ARA, I'd deny a dog "belongs" to any human.:)
I think it's up to the dog to declare his consent here.

I'll state that, while I'm not a zoo, or whatever term
you want, I totally oppose what you are doing, both in
terms of your attack on free speech, and your fascistic
legislative agenda. You, and people like you, are a
menace to all of us.

Rat

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pro4a...@my-deja.com

unread,

Jun 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/9/99

In article <125.70...@techtron.spambite.net>,
pa...@techtron.spambite.net (Pater Nicht) wrote:
> What Randy Does:
>
> - I believed these to be true

In other words you have no proof to back up your opinion, thank you for
your crack psychology diagnosis "doctor".
As your zoophiles friends have been claiming for over a month now here
that every thing I post is a lie, the BIG lie, liar etc. You can't have
it both ways and pick and choose what you think is the truth.

ANyway, back to my thread here, here is another installment on "What
zoophiles do"

This one from England:

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 00:27:55 -0800

Newsgroups: alt.sex.bestiality
Subject: (fwd) The Art Of Getting Caught

From: st...@dutchess.demon.co.uk (Stephen Kerr)

Right, a few people who are around here already know about this
especially
those that are in IRC/The Forest as I've been through it with quite a
lot
of other people. Now Equuinox said I should post this so after his
prompting
I have finally decided to get round to doing it. First of all, I'd like
to
mention that this is all true, nothing is being exaggerated although a
few
bits may be missing due to having a pretty awful memory. Read on......

This happened about 5-6 weeks ago now.....

In the stable with Dutchess around 4pm on a Saturday, my sexual urges
got
the better of me. I needed to release them somewhere. Deciding that it
was
an opportune moment and Dutchess was willing that day, I thought I'd
have
a bit of fun and give her a good time. Now I should mention here that I
do
get off on getting Dutchess off and pretty much everything I do, I do
for
her.

Should mention as well - The stable door was closed, Dutchess was stood
facing the door with her head about 1 foot in from the door. The door
height
is around 5 foot. She is a 16.3 hand 3/4 TB Chestnut mare, with a very
muscular/solid build, but very fine. Her winter coat gets no more than
around 2/3rds of an inch, pretty much the same length of her summer
coat.

Started off giving her some clitoral stimulation to get her more in the
mood.
Being much like her name says, Dutchess doesn't demean herself by
grunting
or anything like that during this, she takes a rather more regal
approach.
She drops her head down low and closes her eyes, just twitching her head
slightly from side to side and making slight lip movements. After around
15 minutes of this decided it was time to mount her before she went off
the
boil and decided she had had enough. Got one of her water buckets
(previously
emptied), pushed some of her bedding up behind her to give some more
height
to the bucket (long back legs!) and stood on it. Carefully pulled her
tail
aside with one hand and gently mounted her and for a few minutes started
a rythmic thrusting while looking down to see what I was doing.

Next thing I know I heard a voice say "Do you know how to put <a horses
name
I'm not going to mention> shoulder saver on". The shoulder saver is like
vest round the shoulders to stop the horse's rugs from rubbing the hair
off.
I whipped my head up in shock and look at her. As can be imagined, me
standing on a bucket behind Dutchess makes an interesting sight and I
have
no idea on how long she was standing there for before she asked me. She
also
caught me at a very bad moment as well, in fact, a VERY bad moment - I
had
also pulled back in surprise. In the middle of making a mess of both the
back
of Dutchess and also my leg I just said I would be with her in a minute
to
have a look. I would think she would have heard the slight splattering
sounds on the concrete floor as well. Well, we looked at each other for
a
few moments more before she finally walked off.

I cleaned up quickly, trying to rub the bits off my legs and giving
Dutchess
a very quick wipe over, put the bucket back where it should have been
and
kicked the shavings back into the bed and pushing Dutchess over to the
side
out of the way a bit exited the stable. The horse she was talking about
is
actually just two down the row from Dutchess. Walked the 20 feet to that
stable and the girl (well, I say girl, she is about 20) was nowhere to
be
seen. After waiting a minute, she turned up from round the corner
of the far side of the yard. Went into the other horses stable and
managed
to figure out how the vest went on. We talked a bit about it and about a
couple of other things but she didn't mention what she had just seen,
not
that I was going to either. She didn't try to evade me or look away when
I
looked at her either. Finished with the horse and left it at that. Went
back
to Dutchess and gave her a groom and rugged her up from the night and
gave
her her dinner cleaned her tack a bit (I seem to remember) and went
home.

The only thing I could think of all evening was what a silly situation
it
seemed, personally I thought it was hilarious, it just seemed so comic,
the sort of thing seen on comedy programmes.

Went back up to the stables the following morning to ride with a bit of
trepidation, not surprising considering, but still not thinking much of
it.
Wandered round the yard a bit, met the girl involved in the previous
days
incident, talked with her generally for about 20 minutes or so, just
being
civil, but partially to see if she said anything about the previous day.
What I did see were two of the staff talking quietly together at one
point
and watching me as I walked by - I caught this out of the corner of my
eye
when I turned my head a bit to look at a horse as I walked by him. This
could have been just my general paranoia but it's hard to tell. Another
member of staff I talked to that day, was also being very friendly
towards
me that day. This strange as mostly she has always been icy towards me.
To
this day she has been talkative to me. Now I know from talking to
another
member of staff on the train today that she has got engaged to her
boyfriend
so I wouldn't say she has zoo tendacies, not that I'm going to ask. A
lot
of the staff since have acted a bit differnt towards me, not nasty or
anything like that, don't get me wrong, it just feels a bit different
that
is all. Oh yes, the head girls boyfriend is also a policeman, thought
I'd
mention it. Up until something that happened tonight, nothing has been
said
about any of it.

Catching a train home from the stables this evening (working during the
day
this week, so I don't use my car as I can get their quicker on the train
thus missing the nightmare of driving in the city I live), was with the
girl that looks after the row of stables I'm on (she is around 22,
can't remember exactly) as she was getting the train over to her
boyfriend.
Well, we were talking about various things, though mostly about our
various friends and their relationships with their respective boy/girl
friends and how they always go on about so and so done this and so and
so
done that or how they argue, well, to cut it short a bit as I don't
exactly know which point it came up, though it was something about the
amount of free time I have, which is limited with the hours I work and
with
Dutchess, she mentioned about Dutchess being my GirlFriend. This did
take
me a bit by surprise although I tried not to let it show, but we were
staring each other in the eyes at the time while talking. I answered yes
as I didn't know whether I could stand a relationship with a woman and
that
Dutchess keeps me sane being one of the solid fixtures in my life.
Skirted
the subject a couple of more stops along the railway before changing the
subject subtlely to films.

I almost, very almost said something more incriminating here, though not
quite, I do think she knows though as she does know that I spend a lot
of time with Dutchess and shown her a few things that Dutchess does
which
are quite funny. Gossip also gets around the staff a lot, I know, as I
hear
quite a bit of it from the aforementioned girl. I don't believe I'm
going
bleed my heart out to her though as it would bring things too much in
the
open and I'm not going to take a chance on the fact that she may not
actually now. She does know that me and Dutchess are very close as she
has mentioned it before. A lot of other people where Dutchess is also
say
how very close we both are and how well we get on together and it has
even
been mentioned that we are a perfect match! *grin*

There are more things that I could say a long this line but it will drag
things about more and this has got quite long enough as it is.

Any questions about what I have said feel free to ask, although it may
take
time for me to reply, not good at quick response times due to lack of
time. I apologise for any bad grammar, spelling or anything like that as
this
has been typed all in one go without checking as I'm rushing a bit so I
can get something for my dinner.

--->Steve.

If anybody I know who doesn't know about me gets to see this, I reckon
I'm going to die of embarrassment!
=======================================\

I reckon so, bestiality carries a heavy penalty in England.
=========================

This is an extrapolation of public access logs from a popular zoophile
live chat forum, we logged in approximately every hour for about 16
hours
over each of two days. We saved the
who-is-loggged-in list each time we logged in. Naturally this list does
not include
those who logged in and out between ours, nor does it include the 8
hours
each night we didn't log in.

This list should offer some information as to estimating the extent
of zoophiles who access these live bestiality chats, as well as
including
the amount of time they spend each day accessing this material.

An important thing to note, is that most all of these users have
multiple connects and disconnects
thus, the total times shown cover only the largest time slot they were
continuously logged in when we checked. We omitted scores of these
multiple
log-ins and post here the single largest continuous connection for each
user. You will also note two new users logged in that we captured.

You might also note the reported log-ins between system re-boots, here
are two: 
You are login #9973 since the system booted. 
You are login #1608 since the system booted.

NAME AND PERSONAL DESCRIPTION-TIME CONNECTED THIS SESSION-IDLE TIME

Ahroun is going on a trip! 5 mins - 00m 05s
Akeakami is working on Habit 1. 453 mins - 00m 29s
Anonymous - a newbie 2 mins - 00m 25s
Aslan I'm not sick but I'm not well 2 mins - 00m 24s
Bagheera still misses corfu :-/ 63 mins - 00m 01s
Balto -- Canine and Song 14 mins - 03m 39s
Barmaid is a Horse on the way 12 mins - 04m 17s
Barnside is just Barnside 7 mins - 01m 22s
Blayze is dead 3 mins - 00m 05s
Blitz Woof. 74 mins - 00m 04s
Brianb Still a prevert 75 mins - 02m 33s
Charger a palomino Morgan from Texas. 22 mins - 00m 57s
Charlyy has moved out 1 mins - 00m 44s
Depony "Support your local DJ" 22 mins - 18m 05s
Diogenes -newbie :P 9 mins - 00m 13s
Diogenes needs a good desc 43 mins - 05m 06s
Dobbin the paraphile of animals 32 mins - 00m 34s
Doberboy is reading something brb. 2 mins - 00m 27s
Draconis owns and loves Alysa 43 mins - 00m 28s
Dreamdancer - A playfully dolphin. 2 mins - 01m 02s
Dutchess - A mare with attitude! 78 mins - 04m 42s
Flower is unwatered 12 mins - 05m 33s
Foxtrot is reading something brb. 5 mins - 00m 18s
Furlips - part drool all magic. 10 mins - 00m 00s
Furtail is greencoloured BovineCanine. 109 mins - 00m 20s
Fuzzy is a Fuzzy Little Wolf 76 mins - 01m 09s
Gere - Mjk's wolfmate :) 76 mins - 00m 09s
Gunslinger A Dark Hero who beat the USAF 97 mins - 00m 16s
Hobbes issa Warhammerin' Kitty! 5 mins - 00m 04s
Horse is his own imagination.. 9 mins - 02m 15s
Horseman is madly in love with horses! 121 mins - 00m 09s
Hossi - Hugs horses not llamas :) 8 mins - 00m 20s
Hunter is juss a po widdle kitty :) 117 mins - 12m 25s
Hyper Wahhhhhhhhh <jackie Chan> 145 mins - 00m 10s
Inorog - "The Lost Unicorn". 543 mins - 01m 10s
Kamerynn is Horny for Horses 26 mins - 01m 29s
Kelli has a hurt paw:( 74 mins - 00m 13s
Kodiak grumbles at bad luck 199 mins - 13m 03s
Kurt is a psychedelic goat-beast 104 mins - 00m 09s
Lalena a rough tough 2-fisted stinker 14 mins - 00m 22s
Lifeseeker burns his candle at both ends 6 mins - 05m 01s
Littlepony issa naughty lil pony stud 101 mins - 00m 18s
Longmane -a shapeshifting lion 50 mins - 00m 27s
Lpen Little Penguin. 27 mins - 00m 17s
Maneskweez Has"NaughtyBarbieBondagePony" 32 mins - 00m 12s
Matthias laughs! 43 mins - 01m 25s
Minimare is in heat 97 mins - 12m 51s
Miranda the something else. 4 mins - 00m 55s
Mjk - Gere's panthermate :) 24 mins
Monstersfriend who's into knots! 1 mins - 00m 48s
Mooie don't know what to do... 71 mins - 00m 59s
Mustang firekitty *meow* 352 mins - 23m 23s
Nubis a (forest) furry no more 29 mins - 16m 29s
Pony will work for money. 29 mins - 13m 20s
Ponytrot's got smegma under his nails. 2 mins - 00m 18s
Quinellaking - QuandoOmniFlunkusMoritati 61 mins - 01m 54s
Raczoon's pages R MODPlugin enabled!! 13 mins - 01m 09s
Rakshasa Nobility earned through Ordeal 200 mins - 00m 21s
Redwolfy is no RAD fan... 109 mins - 00m 42s
Reflexis finds a darker calm 5 mins - 00m 11s
Reindeer is Wasting his time 49 mins - 28m 56s
Ren Tin Tin :) 73 mins - 05m 40s
Sahara the Gargoyle warrior 31 mins - 00m 11s
Sahot is a Tursiops Amicus 2 mins - 01m 00s
Salia is neither small nor furry. 97 mins - 01m 09s
Siggi loves his pony mares 43 mins - 11m 26s
Simba waits for the summer to end 9 mins - 02m 34s
Snowpup is confused. 173 mins - 00m 24s
Spirit is on the Job 50 mins - 02m 25s
Svadilfari is now in Farm school :-) 8 mins - 00m 10s
Tabatha **** Kocho **** 13 mins - 00m 50s
Tache is a Linux driven coyotelope 66 mins - 02m 56s
Telur a Black Unicorn Stallion 124 mins - 00m 19s
Thephoenix the iridescent Oz Man 386 mins - 00m 12s
Thewerewolf - a werewolf NOT a Furry. 26 mins - 00m 31s
Tigercat tiger w/ sharp claws 10 mins - 01m 29s
Tina a white mare 2 mins - 00m 10s
Waub **Bad Fishing** 66 mins - 00m 34s
Werewolf is under arrest. 26 mins - 25m 55s
Whisper is AFK. 70 mins - 02m 15s
Whitebear -Theres Majic in this ole bear 8 mins - 01m 06s
Wolfheart Zoo-exclusive 4 mins - 00m 37s
Wolfhound - Silver colored animal 64 mins - 00m 01s
Wolfkin lives with Pokey now 60 mins - 13m 09s
Wrangler is reading something brb. 1 mins - 00m 00s
Xereniax is AFK. 52 mins - 02m 23s
Ysimba the BunnyLion 41 mins - 10m 31s
Zara ~Opal Wolf~ 77 mins - 00m 32s
Zedtra is a small red Fox. 98 mins - 01m 00s
Zimwolf the white wolf... <Amacao's> 94 mins - 00m 04s
Zooshaman is working...will idle 26 mins - 05m 24s

93 users, logged once per hour +- over 2 days (32 hours)

Additional names

Darkmoor is a missionary Draquine >;=8) 22 mins
Sunpawz is probbly blipng =) 4 mins
Cowtail
Dogg pants with no pants
Philhip
Maneskweez
Tabbycat
Sleepyhelper
Doogie
Dolly is a brown shepherd 219 mins
Hyperion - is Learning "Labrador" 16 mins

Date: Fri, 19 May 95 00:32:39 0500
From: Timothy Sheehan <tshe...@mars.superlink.net>
Subject: (no subject)

Hello,

I have been reading your posts and others with great interest. I find it
very erotic to have sex with an animal. Especially a male dog. I

fantasize all the time about it, and even about my girlfriend
performing these acts. I have experimented a while back with a male dog,
just
playful stuff, like licking its balls. I have always wanted to be
mounted by a dog, but I don't have a male dog. I am very hard at the
thought of this. I am not homosexual, and I do have a girlfriend yet

this all kind of interests me.

Please write back
======================================

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 13:52:31 -0400
From: Gordo...@aol.com
Subject: Re: hi

Hi ,
Gosh it has been a long time. It sounds like you have been busy and I
sure hope things are going well for you. I have been to a few shows and
I a still keeping active in that area. Star our little Sammy bitch is
going through the teen years and has not been doing to well at the
shows. She is very out of coat most of the time and there is not much to
work with. Her movement is good but she has lost a lot of that cute
look she had when she was a puppy.
Uno on the other hand does look good now and has started doing better
in shows. A few weekends ago he took a first and then made reserve.
The best part was that he been a dog from a kennel with a big name in
Sammy's and that dog was handled by a proff handler. It always makes me
feel good to beat out the pro's (grin)
I have been having some fun with a few guys that I have met on here.
Right now I am going through a dry spell and have not met with anyone
for
several weeks. Uno still has days that he is horny and will still
mount me
from time to time. If he is not up to that I still like to get naked
and jack him off and have him shoot all over my legs and balls. He will
really shoot a lot and it will just run down my legs. I like that
feeling. Uno still loves to lick me.
I talked with a young boy (14) the other day and he had listed in is
profile that he liked his dog. Boy he was not kidding. He loves to
jack him off and also suck him. I did not get the chance to ask if he
swallowed but he told me that when he sucked his dog he would get a
mouth full. (grin) He also likes to have his dog lick him. I would
think that at that age he probably jacks off while the dog is licking
him.
I have tried to figure out internet but
without much success. I have compuserve and I can get to internet but
with a modem that is only 2400 it takes for ever to do anything. I
guess I should upgrade if I want to see what the action is all about.
If you get the chance, let me know what you have been up to. (busy
doing what???? (grin)
Hope to hear from you in the near future.
Gordon
-------------
Date: Fri, 19 May 95 00:36:39 0500
From: Timothy Sheehan <tshe...@mars.superlink.net>
Subject: (no subject)

Hello,

I have been reading your posts and others with great interest. I find
it
very erotic to have sex with an animal. Especially a male dog. I
fantasize all the time about it, and even about my girlfriend
performing
these acts. I have experimented a while back with a male dog, just
playful stuff, like licking its balls. I have always wanted to be
mounted by a dog, but I don't have a male dog. I am very hard at the
thought of this. I am not homosexual, and I do have a girlfriend yet
this all kind of interests me.

Please write back

---------------

From: mfo...@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Fonte)
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bestiality
Subject: Male human with Male dog, a reply
Date: 24 May 1995 21:05:57 -0600
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix

This letter was in response to a young man you asked about sex with male
dogs. I have had experience with female dogs, however this letter deals
mainly with male dogs. Skip to the second paragraph if you are not
interested in a brief description of my life as it pertains to
bestiality. First a little bit of history. Since about 14 or so I
have been strongly attracted to animals, especially dogs. I have never
considered myself gay, and still don't, but I am strongly attracted to
males as well. This has caused some stress in my life but I am dealing
with it. I played with our male dog a bit (mostly just stoking him off)
and then I went away to undergrad. In undergrad I got a female dog who
I became very attached to and would have sex with more or less on a
regular basis, depending on what my roommates were up to. At this point
I was reading a.s.b fairly regularly and even posted a bit. Something
changed last year when I got a male puppy and moved out of the city. I
made a few contacts via a.s.b, I guess I was looking for some real
answers about my sexuality, at least I was ready to experiment. I got up
the courage to actually go an visit someone. The trip turned out to be
somewhat unsettling, however I did watch this guy get fucked up the ass
by his German shepard (didn't tie). I had always fantasized about this,
but I was uncertain if I wanted to do it in reality. I few months later
I contacted another guy, more local. He turned out to be really nice,
he is bisexual and has tied with his dog. I finally got out to meet
him. I was very very nervous and basically just watched him tie. He
taught me quite a bit. I still see him from time to time when our
schedules permit. Now my pup is grown up I have tied with him 3 times.
Wow what an experience. Two were very pleasurable, but the last one
turned uncomfortable about half way through. So now that I have
divulged a great deal of my personal life to a complete stranger, for
reasons I am not so clear about, I will try and answer some of your
questions. One more quick note, all of my sexual encounters with
animals have been concentual to the best of my knowledge and none of
them have resulted in any physical harm to the animal. Tieing with a
male dog can be extremely pleasurable as well as down right painful and
anything but pleasurable. Sometimes some fantasies are best left as
fantasies. If you are serious about this I would strongly suggest
three things, one have someone else there with you, two find an
experienced dog, and three make sure you are prepared for anal sex. I
broke the first two of these suggestions, although I had watched a few
ties before between a man and an experienced dog. It is important that
you have someone there to calm you down if things start going sour i.e.
it starts to hurt like hell and you begin to panic. It would be nice to
have an experienced dog that would not try to pull out while fully
swollen (I assume you are familiar with male dog anatomy, if not just
ask me or find a friendly dog). The third suggestion is an absolute
must. If you can't relax your sphincter and you have not previously
stretched it you are asking for a world of hurt. Most likely the dog
won't be able to penetrate making it a painful experience for both of
you. In my case a good friend gave me a butt plug and some good lube
which I worked with for about a month. I also had taken a man (once)
before actually tieing with a dog. I had some failed attempts (perhaps
I will write about those another time as this letter is getting long).
The size of the plug should depend on the size of the dog. My dog's
knot is about the size of a plum (the butt plug was a little smaller)
and his total length from the base of his knot is about 7 inches. You
should be able to get the butt plug in and out with almost no pain (I am
not quite there yet). I insert the plug for a couple of minutes before
trying a tie. Make sure the dog is interested. He should be trying to
mount you on his own with no coaxing or after a few short stokes of his
tool. An interested dog (and hopefully and experienced one as well) will
make a serious attempt at mounting as well as thrust hard enough to get
in on the first few stabs. Be prepared to spend up to 30 minutes
impaled on his knot as he pulses away inside of you. In most cases it
would be very painful and potentially damaging if you tried to pull him
out while swollen. Some dogs like to turn, some don't. This requires
the dog's knot to rotate within your anus and involves some tugging as
well as potential clawing of your back. Make sure you wear a shirt and
the dog's nails are trimmed! Have someone present to calm you down if
you try to pull the dog's knot out. We may want to also involve the
other person, but I don't suspect this will happen the first few times.
The other person can also calm the dog down as well as help with
positioning. Unexpected events like the phone ringing or someone
walking bye outside that sets to dog off barking could make things
difficult. On the not so pleasant side, spread out an old sheet or
blanket under the area where you will be. After being pumped full of
dog cum and stretched for 10+ minutes your sphincter may not be at its
best. In the cases I know about his pulsing will shift from it
rhythmic pattern to an irregular one shortly before he shrinks down a
bit and pulls out (usually with a slurp or pop). With any luck you just
had the most amazing experience of your life and are now a wet noodle on
the floor recovering. Hope this helps. I had a lot of misgivings about
writing this, but seeing as it is finished I may post it to the net

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Jun 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/9/99

After the soc.support.zoophile vote failed, we find these internal
arguments over it:

Subject: Re: Allocating Blame
From: ma...@nahwaer.nacjack.gen.nz (Matt Fox-Wilson)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 95 08:03:05 GMT+1
Message-ID: <uJTJyc...@nahwaer.nacjack.gen.nz>

nep...@irs.com (Perigon Neptune)( pri...@techtron.net)

writes:

> Matt wrote:
>
> -> We didn't lose
> -> because of what we did, we lost because too many people voted no,
and
> -> that was caused by what we DIDN'T do. Now, I imagine there is going
> -> to be a review of
>
> And they voted NO because of something that was not done?
> Not hardly!
>
> They voted NO because of -too- much being done (or said).
> Get a fucking clue.

Wrong wrong wrong. They voted 'NO' because the right things
weren't said. IN other words they voted NO because of something we
didn't
do. Perigon, calm down and stop swearing. (And could you post under a
single account please, it makes sorting so much easier).

> A review? I imagine so!
> Better hunker down. It will be long in the works, but it is coming.

You are welcome to take part if you want.

> -> So let's not get into a 'it's his fault' type argument, we did
damned
> -> well to get the votes we did get and next time we'll be even better
>
> No arguments here. The facts speak quite well.
> You were lucky to get the votes you did, and stupid to fail by such
> a close margin when it could have easily passed.
>
> Next time you will be watching from the sidelines (along with the
> other clueless ones) and perhaps it will have a chance of passing.

Perigon, I know you did your best to help by posting 16 votes (you
claimed 16 on the Forest), but that's the sort of help the group doesn't
need. I know you tried to help by threatening people and promising to
forge cancel notes, but that's the sort of help the group doesn't need
either. Next time, you are welcome to help, yep 'help', that is, 'not
hinder'.

> --
> Fooled me twice and fuck you from now on you clueless fools.

Perigon, you've got to learn to calm down.

:-Matt.
:-Buying a drum!

===============================================================
So in other words he voted 16 times (against the rules) in order to
sway the votes on the creation of this newsgroup, and it still failed.

=======================

Subject: Re: Allocating Blame
From: ne...@nahwaer.nacjack.gen.nz (Nevyn)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 95 08:25:10 GMT+1
Message-ID: <NkuJyc...@nahwaer.nacjack.gen.nz>

nep...@irs.com (Perigon Neptune) writes:

> Fooled me twice and fuck you from now on you clueless fools.

It's encouraging to see you are confident you will be able to supply the
necessary 400 required votes on your very own to get the group through
next time. I think you only supplied about 20-odd of the votes this
time.

Me thinks if you want the support of anyone else here, you ought to
change your attitude somewhat.

To the rest of ASB... Neptune has the technical skills required to
create a newsgroup. He has experience in this. But his people skills
are laughable. I would suggest that the people he is attacking
personally (and I expect I'll be right up there momentarily) ignore his
tirade.

The newsgroup failed the vote this time. It *WAS NOT* anyone's fault.
This creation attempt earned respect of the important people on
News.Groups (the place where group creations are hacked out). That is
something far more important than votes can buy.

Perigon is upset that the group didn't pass. So am I. But he isn't
handling his defeat especially well by apportioning the blame on others.
The SSZ creation team is already working on the next step. If you want
to
be involved, mail me for details.

The measure of a champion is how one acts in defeat.

Nevyn, in the flesh.
====================================

Pay attention to what Nevyn said above:

>To the rest of ASB... Neptune has the technical skills required to
>create a newsgroup. He has experience in this. But his people skills
>are laughable. I would suggest that the people he is attacking
>personally (and I expect I'll be right up there momentarily) ignore
>his

Isn't this the same one who mass spammed 3 newsgroups with "archives" of
postings each roughly 1.5 megs per post? I notice he has the ability and
experiance to create a newsgroup all by himself, wonder what else he can
"create" with his experiance and abilities, a few changes to some
archives or a minor thing like a date on a file on a server after the
file was revisioned a little here and there?

Isn't this the same Pristan/Perigon who was running his own domain and
servers on IRS.com (information retrieval service)? It is!
==================

> -> The SSZ creation team is already working on the next step. If you
> -> want to be involved, mail me for details.
>
> So I hear. You want to create an _ALT_ group to prove traffic!
>
> Creating an alt group will deep-six any future soc group.
> This is true for most groups, but especially so for this one.

Take this to the SSZoo mailing list. ASB probably doesn't want to be
involved in the next creation details. If they did, they can subscribe
to the mailing list.

====================

Subject: Re: Rec pets posting
Date: 95-01-14 06:30:00 EST
From: meg...@dogstar.win-uk.net (MegaDog)
Reply-to: meg...@dogstar.win-uk.net (MegaDog)

Hi, no, i'm not going to flame you or anybody else! Thats not my
style.... Flaming is for fools, and it shows them up for what they are.

I run a 'no blame' culture.

[I just make sure people never recover sufficiently to re-offend].

I think everyone made mistakes; the important thing now is not to argue
over who-did-or-didn't-do-what, thats futile, but to learn from our
mistakes
so as not to repeat them next time round.

Before the next SSZ call for votes, i want to get a discussion going
[via
e-mail, not in the publicly readable news-group where the world can
see!]
on properly managing the way postings to other groups, hostile
vote-trolling
etc. is handled; the idea being that we have an agreed strategy to
handle
hostile behaviour by others.

You know, things like agreeing in advance when to engage in flame-wars,
and
when not to, however hard we are provoked.

Who [if anyone] should come to the rescue of someone who [for no fault
of
their own] finds themselves under attack.

Tactics for finding out as much as we can about our attackers before
deciding on if or how to respond to their flames [there are ways, you
know; ask me about it sometime].

How to calm things down when flame-wars break out.

When to ignore obviously provocative flames.

A mechanism for putting forward a common, consistent argument from all
sides.

Part of the problem last time round was that we all seemed to be pulling
in
different directions; if we can all work together as a pack we can
achieve
far better results than we can if we each hunt alone.

It's not going to be easy; but theres a lot of talent out there [and a
few
boneheads like Neptune/NAMOR or whatever alias he wishes to come out
under
next time, who, sadly, i suspect is a lost cause].

Whatever happens, we need coordination & dedication. Some of us are
going to
be putting a lot of effort in over the next 6 months; preparing,
planning,
developing our strategy and tactics. Cunning and deceit will every time
serve better than force.

We *have* to do it properly this next time; or it will be a lost vote
again, and we may not get another chance.

I think you've got a lot to offer, you certainly are one of the more
interesting recruits to ASB over the last six months or so. I would like
you to be involved.

But remember we've all got to work together, to an agreed plan. I'm
going
to be in there... how do you feel about coming along with me?

What do you say?? I hope your answer is 'yes'.

-:MegaDog:-
============

Bareback an29...@anon.penet.fi
Date: 1996/07/10<A
HREF="http://xp2.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=dia...@CyberGate.COM">di
an...@CyberGate.COM</A>

(Diana Wilson) wrote: ;Hi--
;I was wondering if someone might be able to asnwer a couple
questions for me. ;

1) What breed of dog is best to 'train' to do this sort of thing?
(Boxer, ;Great Dane, ect) What is the best size? (not to big, not
too small)I have had both boxers and great danes. A boxer is probably
the better choice because they tend to be mid size genitally and have
less health problems than danes do. What breed turns you on most is
important also. Most of the common large dog breeds are easy to train
sexually but this all depends on the trainer. If you are inexperienced
you may encounter some problems. ;

2) Has anyone encountered temperment problems with a dog 'trained' to
;have sex with them? (Do they seem to be more aggressive? Do
aggressive ;dogs seem to be more into it?)The thing to establish
right off is that you are the alpha in the relationship. If you allow an
agressive tempered dog to get the upperhand you are in trouble and the
dog may out you by demanding sex when you are in a situation that could
be embarrasing. The over agressive dog could also be dangerously
possessive. As far as the sex part and agressive dogs is concerned; The
only problem I ever encountered was with timid dogs. They tend to be
less to non sexual. A properly trained dog knows when its time for sex
and when its not and should submit to your dicipline durring non sexual
times and become sexually agressive when it iss time for him to mount.
;

3) How, and at what age to you start to 'train' the dog?Normal dogs need
little training as far as mounting and such is concerned. They are
usually sexually mature enough to complete a sex act by age 1 but they
can show sexual interest much earlier.

Training is a matter of what position you both become comfortable with,
fore play such as licking or oral on your part, and most importantly the
matter of the " TIE " Do you or don't you. Can you or can't
you. ;Um--*blush*--anyway, if anyone could enlighten me, I would
appriciate it! ;-Diana- ;Oh--please write to my E-mail...as I
don't think I want /too/ much of my ;private interests broadcast
everywhere! The advice I post replied here is in general terms only. I
am a gay male and hope that an experienced woman will email you with
more specific help. If you never have had any dog experience you will
need to get good advice. I have had experience with dogs and horses
throughout the last 40 years of my active zoosexual life and some
lessons I learned were not pleasant and even somewhat painfull. You have
the advantage of learning from others that I did not. Bareback
================

More propaganda from a zoophile:

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This story concerns the sexual activities of a zoophile/zoosexual.

Bitch Sex

Well, I've always gotten along fairly well with dogs. Extremely well
ever since I was a teenager. Many people have asked me how I do it. I
smile and tell them that I just seem to be able to bond with them and
become part of the 'pack'. Also, I explain that it's a matter of
reading their body language. So far all have accepted this as it is
something they can understand. *grin* I wonder what they would say if
they knew I've been a zoophile since my teens? And the bonding includes
sex with dogs and bitches? Is it any wonder we get along so well?

It's fun to go looking for a partner. Especially when a bitch
decides to 'seduce' me.

It starts with the usual getting
acquainted. I approach and hold out the back of my hand for approval.
I allow her to make all the movement from here. By using the back of my
hand I am saying 'here, would you like to get to know me? I mean you no
harm.' Too many dogs associate an open palm with being corrected and
will shy away or be hostile. Definitely NOT what I want! If she sniffs
and accepts me, stage 2 begins. I talk to her in a quiet voice and tell
her I think she is beautiful and is the most marvelous creature around.

I pet her head and then work my way to petting her sides, scratching
between her ears, under her chin and gradually working my way over her
whole body. I even try using a finger to rub inside her ears. Many
dogs simply collapse with pleasure at this. I've had some paw my hand
and drag it to their belly. A couple have even taken my hand in their
mouth and placed it where they want me to pet them.

After some
time of this (and it may take several meetings), I proceed to the more
intimate things. By now the bitch accepts me quite well and I proceed
to the more intimate caresses. If SHE hasn't started seducing ME! (more
on that later). BTW: most of the foregoing is done with me kneeling or
actually sitting or laying down with her next to me. If I'm using a
couch or bed, I will sometimes kneel on the floor with her on the bed or
couch.

Anything to get us on more equal terms! Since I'm not a male dog, I've
had to develop substitutes for typical canine mating signals.
Obviously, I can't do much with my mouth, so I use my fingertips and
thumbtip and 'nibble' along the sides and underneath her throat. Then I
slowly and caressingly start rubbing her stomach and gradually work my
way between her hind legs. If she starts getting uneasy, I back off and
just pet her some more. If we are private, I talk to her quietly and
lovingly throughout all of this. If she's in heat, by now she's usually
frantic for some intimate action. And me? Well, by now I'm extremely
aroused and probably sending out sex pheromones of my own. Since we're
private at this point, (This is not something I do in public!) I am
usually nude during all of this. My fingers slowly caress their way
towards her vulva. I also have spent time scratching at the base of her
tail on top of her hindquarters. At this signal, most bitches will, if
ready or aroused will start dancing a little jig from side to side and
if really horny by now will cock their tail to one side to indicate
their receptiveness to my advances.

For first times with a bitch, I prefer sex while she is in heat. There
is nothing quite like a bitch in heat. She's so sexually aroused at
this point that all she wants is sex with something. She's very
receptive at this point and penetration is accomplished with little or
no difficulty. She's well lubricated, her vulva is extremely swollen
and it has risen upwards to allow penetration. Also, her vaginal
muscles are very relaxed and my penis can be inserted easily. It's at
this time I can count on there being little resistance to my entry when
I fuck her. Basically, she's doing nothing except thinking of sex! The
pungent aroma of a bitch in heat is something that I find extremely
stimulating sexually. It triggers an animal response in me so that I
too become an animal. My only thoughts are of sex with this beautiful
creature. I want nothing but to give pleasure and put my throbbing
hardon inside her. However, I don't force myself on her at any time.
If she shows signs of being uncomfortable, I slow down or back off
entirely. I've learned that when having sex with bitches, patience is
well worth any frustration due to having to wait.

Sex with a truly accepting bitch is, for me, the ultimate in
gratification. She wants it, I want it, and there is no need for words,
thinking about it or anything else. We are truly one in purpose and all
of our efforts are focused on our sexual activities. Our orgasms, when
they occur, are the most intense I've ever had. No woman I have had sex
with has ever approached this intensity of purpose. An orgasm when in
this state is when I truly feel one with whoever I'm fucking. Sex is
part of it, but we become one to the point that our souls merge. It is
this intense sharing that has allowed me to understand and work with
dogs so well. We are able to speak a mutual language or shared feelings
and experience.

Anyway, assuming the bitch is receptive,
I caress her intimately and slowly work a finger inside her vulva.

I gently rub her clitoris and enjoy watching her vulva twitch and rise
towards her tail. If she's in season, I inhale her aroma through my
nose and allow my instincts a little more freedom. Many times, in
season or out, I lower my lips to her and lick and worry her treasure.
Out of season, my saliva mingles with her secretions and allows my
fingers easier entry.

After using my fingers to stretch her so
she will accept me, the main course begins. If she is unused to this
action, I arrange things so I can screw her from behind as a male dog
would. This is the payoff! By now, we are both so focused that it is
all I can do to ease myself into her. This is where all the stretching
with my fingers has led. Entering a bitch is not like entering a woman.
Unless she has been well used and is very sexually active, you cannot
just grab a bitch and thrust like a male dog. I do admit though that
the experience of being able to enter her without guiding myself is an
unbelievable experience. Usually, I grab her right leg at the top with
my right hand so I can steady and guide her.

I use my left hand to hold my penis and work it into her. I work the
head around in her vulva and get it lubricated so it will slide in
easier. If she is out of season, I angle my dick about 45 degrees
upwards and work it slowly into her opening. If she's in season. her
vulva is swollen and has risen to allow free entry. At the very
entrance is the first of 2 constrictor muscles I must get past. When in
season, these are relaxed and she is so well lubricated that it takes
almost no effort to enter. If not, this first one is the hardest one to
get past as I must provide support for my dick as I force my way in.
Then, with her vagina providing some stiffening, I now concentrate on
working past the next muscle. I work myself back and forth to get
myself lubricated. Suddenly, her muscles relax enough so that my penis
slides in and our pubes make contact.

We pause for a time and enjoy the feeling as we get used to this. I've
noticed that when in season, sometimes I can feel the beginning of her
uterus against the head of my dick. A bitch's uterus is split and
formed into a 'V' shape. It is the tip of this 'V' that I feel. A truly
unique experience when it happens. Already stimulated, the pressure
against the tip of my dick sends me to new heights. The only other time
I've felt this type of stimulation is during masturbation or manual
stimulation of my penis. If we are coupled dog style, my hands now
firmly grasp the upper part of her legs and pull her firmly against me.
I savor the heat of her wrapped around me. She feels soo hot and silky
smooth.

Her muscles pulsate and spasm around me. If she's really excited, she
utters quick little yips and growls of pleasure. We are surrounded by a
cloud of musk and sexual scents. Slowly I start my movements and she
hers. All the while her muscles are squeezing me and pulsing. At first
I rock back and forth without withdrawing any. As our lust builds and
she becomes more lubricated, I start sliding a little bit more of me in
and out with each stroke. If she is fairly new to this, I moderate my
pace and am gentle with her. If we have been together a lot then I can
abandon myself and we slam together full force.
Either way, by now, all we can think about is the joining of our
bodies. I become nothing more than a penis trying to bury itself inside
her. I feel her vulva as it slides up and down me and with each stroke
it kisses the area at the base of my penis. Both constrictor muscles
are spasming on my shaft. When she orgasms, it is like two fists
squeezing me with a rhythmic pulsing. After a while of this stroking,
be it pounding lust or long and gentle strokes, urgency begins to
overtake me. At the end of each stroke I force my dick as deep as it
will go. Our pubic bones grind together. I become so sensitive it
seems as though I can feel every bump inside her. Every little twitch
of her vagina becomes almost unbearable. I am now nothing more than
that part of my body from the tip to the base of my penis.

All feelings and efforts are concentrated in that one part of my body.
All else ceases to exist until finally, with a huge surge my hands lock
around her legs and our pubic bones slam together. All my muscles lock
and I freeze in this position, quivering as my orgasm finally arrives.
My penis pulses as it pumps my semen into her. For every pulse, there
is a quivering response from her. Finally, after an eternity that lasts
but moments, I return to this world. My orgasm has been so intense that
to withdraw or do more than ease a little of the pressure between us is
impossible. Actually painful. As I continue to spasm and twitch, I
press against her again and again. Slowly, I soften inside her. If we
have been doing it 'dog' style, I finally regain enough control to
release my hands and allow her to pull away. As she shakes herself,
some of my come goes flying. If things have been really intense, it
will be some time before I feel like doing more than collapsing where I
am. If we have been laying on our sides, We simply relax where we are
and sometimes take a short nap while remaining coupled. Our
temperatures are so well matched that I can no longer tell where my
penis stops and her vagina begins.

I stroke her and pet her. Sometimes, this gets me hard again and I
fuck her again without softening very much. Once in a great while, I
never soften at all and I proceed without stopping to fuck her again.
And the cycle repeats itself. If we are face to face, we share a kiss
and relax. We have spoken the language without words, where lies are
impossible. Does it matter that we are different species? Do we care
that some people find this wrong? NO! We have each other. AND, we
have no doubts about ourselves. This is ultimate love. There is no
doubt of it in my mind. Without all the labels and other trappings we
humans use, we KNOW how we feel about each other.

This is a 'knowing-without-words' type of knowing. It cannot be fully
expressed with words. If you've experienced it, you know what I mean.
If you haven't experienced it, then no amount of words will explain
it.

My most pleasurable times are with a bitch who is so used
to this we can lay on our sides belly to belly with her legs around me
and I thrust into her. In this position, when we climax, I can simply
lie there and relax while still coupled with her. As I thrust into her,
some bitches are so aroused that they insist on using their tongue
inside my mouth. At this point, I'm so far gone that I simply open my
mouth wide and allow her to wash the entire inside of my mouth.

I've had a bitch put her tongue partway down my throat and I've been so
aroused that I never choke or resist. Every sensation becomes pleasure.
At this point, pain doesn't exist. Only later do I become aware enough
to realize I've sometimes picked up a new bruise, raw spot or scratch.
As we reach our climaxes, her tonguing becomes frantic and I can only
focus on 2 things. Her tongue inside my mouth and my dick about to
explode. Heat, her fur against my body, the smell of lust. All this and
more combine and suddenly I orgasm. My hips slam into her and all my
muscles lock. All I can think of now is to get as deep as I can. My
whole body slams into her as if it could merge with hers. Sometimes,
she will give her own yips or low growls as she orgasms. If I haven't
come when she starts, many times this will send me over the edge.
Sometimes she gets so excited that she pulls off of me and dances and
shakes and shivers with pleasure. Then she turns and starts to lick me
clean.

My orgasm is so intense that many times I have to hold her back because
her licking me is painful.

Something else that really turns me
on is that with some bitches, if I feel just in front of the 'V' of her
pelvis and apply pressure with a finger, I can feel my penis moving
inside her. The first time I discovered this, I had to make some
unusual movements to convince myself it really was ME I was feeling. To
pump away and feel my penis moving back and forth is, for me, a very
exciting sexual turn on. I enjoy it most during a long slow easy
session rather than a vigorous one. That way I can savor the
experience!

Of the two styles, I prefer making love to a bitch
laying down. I can then devote my attention to contact and stimulation
without having to worry about the size differences or keeping my balance
or all the other little distractions. Orgasms in this position are when
we truly become one and can savor every moment before, during and after
our activities. It also allows us to remain coupled afterwards. Many
times I've gone to sleep still connected with a bitch. A nice thing is
that by being this close, even though soft, my penis remains within her.
If neither of us moves while asleep, I found it not unusual to wake up
hard again and enjoy another session with her. Also, many's the time
when I coupled with a bitch and simply fucked her without orgasming and
pleasured her. Or we simply coupled and then lay together for the
company.

With some dogs our partnership has been that of lovers
in every sense of the word. And when we did separate, for me, it was
the loss of a lover, not just a dog.

I mentioned being seduced
by a bitch earlier.

I'm not going to mention being propositioned by male dogs. Everyone is
fairly familiar with the idea that when a male dog wants sex, he can be
pretty obvious about it. What most people don't admit is that a bitch
can be just as horny and just as demanding. For a male zoophile to find
a bitch like this is to find the ultimate partner. I've had a few and
if anything keeps me being a zoo, it's that knowledge.

A bitch
will display sexual attraction in several ways. The most obvious is
when she turns her rear towards you and cocks her tail to one side (if
she has one). Also, as her tails moves to the side her vulva will raise
noticeably. This is to allow easy access for a penis, be it yours or a
dogs. If a bitch does this, she definitely considers you a suitable sex
partner. Another indication of readiness can be when she walks up and
starts snorting your crotch. This can be accompanied by an insistence
on you getting everything out of her way so she can lick your dick and
balls and other parts of your genital area.

Jerking off while a bitch is doing a vigorous tonguing of your balls
and surrounding area is extremely enjoyable. Note: a bitch is more
likely to want to spend time doing this than a dog will.

Most
bitches I've been around also enjoy being vigorously scratched right at
the base of their tail. If they cock their tail to one side while you
are doing this, they are usually getting sexually turned on. Many
times, we've made a game of this activity. she'll approach me and I'll
start with the attention and deliberately ignore some of the sexual
signals she's sending. As she gets more aroused, she gets more
insistent about things. When we finally do have sex, I can visibly see
her saying 'it's about time damn it!' That's when the pure lust comes
in and we both are nothing more than animals fucking our brains out!

<BR

pro4a...@my-deja.com

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Jun 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/9/99

In article <125.70...@techtron.net>,
tall...@techtron.net (Tall Thin Jones) wrote:

> Maybe if people pretend to like him posting here, he will stop.

It will make no difference being that you started these threads up
again, when you and your zoo friends have finished posting about me then
I would have nothing further to add to the threads now would I.

Here is an interesting article on a case regarding a zoophile:

=============================================================
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms legally guarantees
us those moral rights which we feel belong to us as members of
the human race, among them the fundamental freedom of conscience,
belief, and opinion. In addition, the Government of Canada is a
charter signatory of the United Nation Declaration of the Rights
of Man. It is therefore ethically unacceptable for that same
Government of Canada that provides legal sanction to those rights
to impose laws and statues that violate them. Unfortunately, it
appears that the government still sees its role as the 'moral
moderator' or the nation as of primary importance, overriding all
other considerations. Several examples could be cited as
evidence, each the result of the government placing a greater
value laws upholding 'public' or 'societal' morality more than
those fundamental principles of freedom on which this nation was
founded.
This may appear at first glance to be a social or a political
concern, having nothing to do with the medical profession, and
such would in fact be the case if the government relied solely on
the principle of physical retribution to discipline criminals.
This is not the case, however, and often non-voluntary
psychiatric/psychological counselling is imposed as a condition
when such persons are sentenced. This then makes the issue one
involving the ethics of psychotherapy, and specifically whether
or not an ethical psychotherapist can consent to treat a patient
whom he or she knows is coerced, and would if given the choice
would refuse such treatment.

Two other issues which must be
raised at the same time are whether or not we as a society,
through our government, have the right to force a criminal into
such treatment, and whether or not we have the right to place the
psychotherapist in such an ethically uncertain situation. My
answer to each of these three questions is a resounding no, and I
will with outline my reasons below, as well as some of the
arguments in favour of mandatory counselling, through the use of
the case of Brian C.

Brian C. was arrested in the spring of 1989 after it came to
his mother's attention that he was committing both incest on his
younger sister, and zoophilia. The mother had known about the
incest problem for some time, but it was only after she became
aware of Brian C.'s commission of acts of zoophilia that she
informed the police of these activities. Brian C. then gave a
statement to an officer of the local police department, which
showed that the acts of zoophilia were far more prevalent than
those of incest. Upon entering a plea of guilty to one count of
zoophilia and one count of incest, Brian C. was sentenced to an
indefinite period of containment of open custody at Link House, a
division of the Salvation Army House of Concord youth containment
centre dedicated to the housing and treatment of sexual
offenders.

In addition, he was ordered to attend regular group
and one-to-one counselling sessions at the Youth Services to the
Court (YSC) psychotherapy centre, run by the Ministry of Justice,
Province of British Columbia. In the course of treatment, it
became apparent that Brian C. felt remorse for the acts of
incest, but none regarding the acts of zoophilia, and that he in
fact had chosen to rely on animals rather than people for
social/sexual fulfilment due to difficulties in relating to
people. Treatment continued on a bi-weekly basis until Christmas
of 1989, when Brian C., on leave from Link House, again committed
acts of zoophilia. In the ensuing trial, the accused again
entered a guilty plea, and was sentenced to a month of closed-
custody containment at the Burnaby Youth Containment Centre
(BYCC), during which treatment was suspended, and a further three
years probation to run concurrent with the first term. Upon
release from BYCC, Brian C. was placed in a group home run by
Marian H., an experienced psychiatric nurse, to whom he further
revealed his love for animals.

To prevent any further acts of
zoophilia being committed, Brian C. was ordered by Marion H. not
to come in contact with any animals when in public. Treatment
was discontinued by Chris G., the treating psychologist, as Brian
C. had stated several times that he saw nothing wrong with
zoophilia, and his only worry was the potential of further legal
retribution. Upon informing his probation officer of the
termination of treatment, Brian C. was threatened with a return
to secure custody unless he complied with the treatment order.
Aware of Brian C.'s intense dislike of the legal system, Chris G.
offered to treat Brian C. in private practice, to facilitate the
development of a more trusting treatment relationship, but such
treatment was discontinued by Brian C. after one session. Soon
after, Brian C. went absent without leave (AWOL) from the group
home. He was apprehended in Calgary, Alta. 2 days later and
returned to BC, and sentenced to three weeks secure custody at
the Youth Detainment Centre (YDC), in Burnaby, during which time
an attempt was made by Dr. Y, head of the treatment team at YSC,
to get him to consent to drug therapy, using Cyproterone Acetate
(CPA), an anti-androgen, to reduce his free-testosterone levels.
After leaving YDC, he was moved to a foster home where he was the
only child. Treatment continued on a sporadic basis, and
returned to a semi-regular basis in his second year at the group
home due to pressure from his foster parents and an internal
struggle with newly developed Christian beliefs.

He finally
consented to CPA treatment, due to continued pressure from Dr. Y,
Chris G., and his foster parents, and a genuine desire to see if
it would reduce his sex drive, and signed the consent form. The
medication was supplied in pill form, due to Brian C.'s intense
dislike of needles. Though the oral dose of the medication was
increased three times, there was no appreciable effect. When it
was again suggested that the medication be given through weekly
intramuscular injection, he refused, and the CPA treatment was
discontinued. Probation ended in May of his senior year in
secondary school, and with it the governments legal hold over
him. Soon after, Brian C. graduated from secondary school, and
spoke of moving to his father's place. His social worker, foster
parents, and Chris G. all attempted to persuade him to stay at
the foster home, and social services offered to pay for his first
year of university as an incentive. It was then found out that
he had been carrying on a secret non-sexual relationship with a
neighbourhood dog, and was evicted by his foster parents from the
foster home. On his last treatment session with Chris G., Brian
C. indicated that he was very depressed, not wanting to become
sexually involved with animals again due to his religious
beliefs, but neither wanting to give up his intense emotion love
for and reliance on them. Chris G., feeling that his ethical
duty to help the patient was stronger then his legal obligation
to 'cure' him of his zoophilia, then offered his personal
blessing on the zoophilia, contending that it was more important
that Brian C. be happy with who he is then that stopped
committing zoophilia.

[As I have posted before, the psychiatrists concern is with their
*human* patients being “happy with who they are” not the animals
involved]

Did Chris G. act ethically in suspending Brian C.'s
psychotherapy? Yes, he was, primarily because the patient had no
interest in being there, particularly as the therapy related to
his zoophilic desires.

[That's where the anti bestiality law comes in since these activities
are affecting animals who have little choice]

According to the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, for a
paraphilia (a desire for sexual fulfilment through means other
than those considered 'normal', such as sadism, masochism,
exhibitionism, and zoophilia) to require treatment, the activity
must occur over a period of at least 6 months (criterion A), and
must also be the cause of clinically significant distress or
impairment of social, occupational or other important areas of
functioning (criterion B). There is no doubt that criterion A
applies to the case of Brian C., but criterion B does not.
Throughout the course of treatment, Brian C. told his therapist
of his love for animals, and how they provided for him with both
an emotional and a sexual outlet, an outlet that did not
otherwise exist do to his difficulties in dealing with people.

Rat & Swan

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Tall Thin Jones wrote:
>
> -=> Quoting Lab...@pacbell.net to Randy <=-
>
> La> I agree this should go elsewhere; it's a bit graphic for this
> La> ng. But, if the encounter was as described, it sounds
> La> quite consentual to me, especially since when the author
> La> tried to do something the dog didn't want and was growled
> La> at, he stopped. I don't see anything wrong with this.

>
> Maybe if people pretend to like him posting here, he will stop.

???? I don't understand what you are trying to say
here.

>
> Question: Why is "graphic sexuality" such a sin when graphic
> descriptions of tortured and mutilated animals are not objected to?

Well, many people do object to them. In most cases, when
someone is going to post _graphic_ descriptions of torture
and mutilation, they mention it, and provide a link, for just
that reason. Most publications with graphic images of torture
and mutilation that I've seen, usually bringing some specific
incident to attention, do put a warning in front. I think
they should. I have no objection to reading/seeing graphic
descriptions when they are relevant.

<snip>
> The more usual fare for this newsgroup is discussions of tortured
> and mutilated animals. I find this rather bizarre and questionable
> material for children to be exposed to.

No, the more usual fare is discussions of the social,
ethical, philosophical, religious, etc., issues which are
raised by such torture and mutilation. The mutilation
and torture are not described, or are described in
non-graphic terms. I am willing to do the same
with zoophile issues, and was trying to do so in my post.
I think that in a politics forum, instead of a sex forum,
the specifics should be put in a link. I have no problem
with them being posted in a sex forum or in a link.

(You'll note that in my comments on S/M, I don't go into
graphic detail, although I have in E-mail, and am quite
willing to do so there if asked.)

BTW -- I found the post from Patroon on teaching one's child
about sexuality excellent. I think he/she has exactly the right
idea. The post on the dog tie was interesting as well, and
reminded me of issues involved with safe S/M techniques. So,
I have no objection to the material, just to the place.

Rat

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Jun 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/10/99

In article <125.70...@techtron.spambite.net>,

tall...@techtron.net (Tall Thin Jones) wrote:

>
> Jo> Please DON'T.
>
> I really don't want to see Randy post explicit material on this
> newsgroup. I'm an offender too, but he is going to set the record for
> sheer bulk of written pornography here.
>
> However, it is funny as hell to watch.

The examples I posted were to draw a point, and I made it.

> Not only is the man continuing to post disjointed rambling, in an
> attempt to spite me and the others he is also grinding into the dirt his
> last bits of credibility he might have had here by pissing off anyone
> who still read his material.

Negative, we lost readers here a month ago, the only ones reading and
responding to these threads are zoophiles from what I can tell. Like
I've said before, the *real* activists, that is, the ones who will *act*
dont read these groups, they use mailing lists and other forums.

> The man is not only going down in flames. He is burning the

You hold that thought tallthin, I have added considerable support one
two other forums, letters of support from activists on one I previously
posted excerpts of, and next month as I also previously mentioned, a new
project is to be put in for which I will be writing a zoophilia FAQ and
participating with.

Those are the forums where my posts have prompted real animal activists
to do things like prevent the Georgia anti bestiality law from being
removed by accident when an outdated sodomy law was removed. They also
do things like help another state get back it's anti bestiality law
which was removed a few years ago by oversight.

Hey, as for readers here, there were hardly any to begin with for either
side, people dont want to read about bestiality pro or con in
newsgroups, that is why about the only ones who respond either way are
zoophiles.
However, there are many who dont respond and/or dont want to hear
details and dont want to get involved because what you do is so
disgusting. But they are thinking: "GOOD! I'm glad someone is doing *
something* about those perverts"

The HSUS doesnt use these forums because they use what works much
better- their subscribers on mailing lists, magazing subscribers and
supporters!
They also send materials to people not on the net and to other animal
groups.

Most of those people dont read these newsgroups, and to my knowlege,
none of the activists I deal with do either.

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In article <125.71...@techtron.spambite.net>,
pa...@techtron.spambite.net (Pater Nicht) wrote:

>Randy (Don't ask don't tell about HSUS) wrote:
>
>- > However, it is funny as hell to watch.
>-
>- The examples I posted were to draw a point, and I made it.
>
>On your own head no less!
>
>- The HSUS doesnt use these forums because they use what works much
>- better
>
>At making them money.

>
>- their subscribers on mailing lists, magazing subscribers and

>- supporters!
>
>To make a lot of money.

>
>> They also send materials to people not on the net and to other animal
>> groups.
>

>To make more money.

>
>> Most of those people dont read these newsgroups, and to my knowlege,
>> none of the activists I deal with do either.
>

>Which is probably why they are still dealing with you.
>
>Pater

Point.

I see a lot of posts about "Randy" and HSUS. But being a long time
Internet/BBS user (IRC), I know that I have never heard "zoos" discuss
either Randy or the HSUS until recently, but I have seen many posts over
the past four years or so about the Horseaid investigations and actions
against "zoos".

So why do you all come down so hard on the HSUS, and not Horseaid, when it
is obvious by your posts over a long period of time that Horseaid (and not
HSUS) was causing you to lose your Internet bases?

(No, I do not agree with animal abuse in any form, just curious as to why
Horseaid is getting special treatment)

Diane

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In article <Diogenes_removeme_...@1cust248.tnt2.san-
diego.ca.da.uu.net>,
Diogenes_r...@eudoramail.com (DiogenesEQ) wrote:

> I see a lot of posts about "Randy" and HSUS. But being a long time
> Internet/BBS user (IRC), I know that I have never heard "zoos" discuss
> either Randy or the HSUS until recently, but I have seen many posts over
> the past four years or so about the Horseaid investigations and actions
> against "zoos".
>
> So why do you all come down so hard on the HSUS, and not Horseaid, when it
> is obvious by your posts over a long period of time that Horseaid (and not
> HSUS) was causing you to lose your Internet bases?
>
> (No, I do not agree with animal abuse in any form, just curious as to why
> Horseaid is getting special treatment)
>
> Diane

Diane:

You see the activities against "zoos" because this is an animal abuse
issue, the HSUS has infiltrated their forums and doings for 4 years
before announcing their legislation.
It is all because the HSUS has announced their new legislative campagn
against bestiality/zoophila in January, and the zoophiles are running
scared because this legislation will affect their having sex with
animals and they don't know how much inside and personal info from 4
years of investigations that the HSUS has!

So naturally zoophiles are trying now to get revenge, that is why 99% of
their garbage posted here is directed towards me. But as Kim at the HSUS
said on the phone once, the more time they spend on their little web
sites [and posts about me] the less time they will have to sexually
abuse animals :)

I have been pushing and promoting legislation like this for over a year
now, and my activities and posts, sending emails etc about this to every
animal group I could find helped get things rolling. I am working on a
FAQ file on sexual abuse of animals for joint project due out before too
long.

My efforts also attracted the attention of other groups besides the
HSUS.
The IGHA (http://www.igha.org) has a sub page on zoophilia /bestiality
abuse with evidence files, photos and the like on convocted zoophiles.
Those files are available for any prosecutor to access for a case.
They deal exclusively with equines and equine abuse.

They have not been pushing for legislation, the HSUS has that is why the
zoophiles panicked.
I went on the radio twice on this issue, November with criminology
professor Piers Beirne, and then in May I invited Kim Roberts from the
HSUS to do the show, I was on the last 15 minutes as a recovering ex
zoophile who got help.

If you would like to learn what you can do to help legislation wise, or
for more information, you can visit:

http://members.aol.com/animalsav
http://www.hsus.org (look for current campagns for the info on
zoophilia abuse)
Peta also has some informatiion on their web site now, as do several
others who have links to the HSUS web site files and/or my site.
Many animal groups were waiting for someone to take the first step- the
HSUS did, and according to Kim, after they made the announcement many
animal groups contacted her for more information and to obtain the sex
abuse packets.

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In article <3762ed22...@news.earthlink.net>,
Fozzy <Fozz...@intel.com> posting from earthlink.net wrote:

> > Pro_animal wrote:
>
> > I consider it a choice, or "lifestyle"

> Does one have a true genetic predisposition towards zoophilia? I
> don't know. But I would like to know.

Why? so you and your group can use the info to justify continuation of
sex with animals by claiming you can't help it because you were "born
this way" It won't fly.

> A "population" of zoophiles would tend NOT to pass on genetic material
> in the form of offspring and therefore there would tend to exist a
> lack of people with a genetic predisposition towards zoophilia.

So in other words it is not genetic, like I said, just a fettish and a
choice. Chosen likely because of low self esteem, social dysfunction and
psychological problems.
The incidence of zoophilia is higher among psychiatric patients.

You are ignoring of course the one whose post I included where she was
talking about her children and telling them about zoophilia in a
positve way I assume, and ignoring of course the married zoophiles we
all know of who have children.

>...has simular validity concerning homosexuality.

We not talking about *consenting* adults here, we are talking about an
adult and an *animal*

> Some zoophiliacs I know online mentioned to me that their sexual
> interest in animals became known during childhood, around puberty.

And then furthered and fostered by your on-line cult's chats, forums,
web sites, FAQ's and "how-to" files etc. Children experiment, almost all
grow out of such things- except the ones who have problems, they stay at
an arrested sexual development and continue experimenting with
bestiality.
People in chat forums spending hours and hours eventually begin to see
others as "ousiders", this is very similar to religious cults (Jim
Jones, Branch Dividian etc) or anything else along those lines.
Participants begin to associate mainly if not exclusively with those in
a particular circle or group.

>
> was wracked by mental illness most of his life,

He was? I had an anger management problem, and I was a zoophile. so in
other words you are saying zoophilia is a mental illness, (Anger and
frustration management issues are not a mental illness)

> and since he
> became involved in zoophilia, therefore he reasons (projects) wrongly
> that zoophilia is a magnet for the mentally ill.

It is, and I am not the only one saying it, just read some of the
reference materials. Normal people dont have sex with their pets and
enjoy performing oral sex on other people's mares at 3 AM, and then post
to the entire world that they do these things.
Normal people don't put scores of closeup detailed photos of mare's
genitals (mare666) on a web site as "erotica".

I'm sorry but there is no way you are going
to convince people it is normal or that anyone is born that way.

If they are born "that way" it would be a sexual dysfunction that
manifested towards animals (instead of children, or some other
wierdities that the dysfunction/fettish would cause)

It is also interesting how zoophiles must have these forums and web
sites "coming out" about their sexuality (like anyone cares). It must
also have some subconscious root basis of guilt and the need to tell
others about this.
One has to wonder why someone would tell their parents friends and
others that they screw animals, it must be the shock value and something
along the lines of wanting to get back at their parents- what could be
more horrifying for a parent to be told their child buggers mares and
enjoys it?

> Case no. 1:

SNIP

What of it?
So I hid my identity on line by using net handles and non details to
throw zoophiles off the trail for a while to give me time to get things
started, and it did. I knew zoophiles would eventually figure out who
was posting about the legislation and awareness.

> his past UNTILL it was made known who he was .. and found it pointless
> to hide any longer.

Shrug, it actually worked to my advantage despite your group's thinking
you were going to just blast me out of the water by telling people I was
a zoophile. First they tried claiming I was a religious fundy on a
moral crusade, that ploy on their part didn't work either.

As you read in the mail excerpts I posted,
I have more support than before, and was able to set up and go on a
second animal right's radio show as an ex zoophile, which adds
considerable credability to the anti bestiality message.
I am also going to be researching more along the lines of going on the
radio again in other areas.

Now I think that all worked really well to my advantage so it was
outlined on my web sites and communications in other forums.
It was after that, that I was contacted by someone who is working on a
project to debut pretty soon, who asked me to write a FAQ on sexual
abuse of animals/zoophilia and participate in the project. There had
been no such issue in their project untill I brought it to their
attention, and they went to check the HSUS web site and the other
resources showing zoophilia was largely unchecked and growing.

The 'Animals Agenda', Volume 15, Number 6, 29-31 Bestiality: The
Unmentioned Abuse, used on my web sites with kind permission of the
"Animal's agenda", here is an excellent description:

"..In the second kind, an animal becomes the exclusive focus of a
human's desires. Although many medical terms have been applied to a
fixation on gratification with animals, those who engage in this prefer
to be known as "zoophiles"; ...The zoophile's worldview is similar to
the rapist's and child sexual abuser's. They all view the physical
gratifications they have with their victims as consensual, and they
believe it benefits their partners as well as themselves. Just as
pedophiles differentiate between those who abuse children and those who
love children-placing themselves, of course, in the latter group-
zoophiles distinguish between animal abusers (bestialists) and those who
are zoophiles are just self- justifications."
Carol J Adams

> Remember, these occured AFTER he LEFT zoophilia.

Shielding my identity from harassment like you and your pals do here is
hardly a crime or mental illness.

> My point is this:

Skip it, your point sucked bigtime "doctor", when you get your degree
let us know and then we'll take a look at what you say. Right now your
view is completely biased because you are one of the zoophiles who
doesn't want to see legislation, and eating you up inside is your hate
and revenge which are so transparant it's a joke.

> Fozzy

Seems to me you have an obsession with me illness, maybe you should see
someone, I'm sure Intel will help you with financial consideration.

Some further reference materials on this topic:

(Used with kind permission of the author, on my web sites)

Theoretical Criminology ISSN 1362-4806 Volume 1 #3
1997; pp 317- 340 Piers Beirne, professor of criminology, University of
Southern Maine:

This paper was published in Theoretical Criminology, 1997, vol.1, no.3,
pp.317-340. PIERS BEIRNE is Professor of Criminology at the University
of Southern Maine and the founding editor of the journal; Theoretical
Criminology.

His recent books include; Inventing Criminology (1993) and Criminology
(1999, 3rd ed., forthcoming, with Jim Messerschmidt). i Abstract This
paper seeks to introduce a view of bestiality which differs radically
from both the anthropocentrism enshrined in the dogma of Judaeo-
Christianity and also from the pseudo-liberal tolerance fashionable
today. I argue that bestiality should be understood as 'interspecies
sexual assault' because;

(1) human-animal sexual relations almost always involve coercion;
(2) such practices often cause animals pain and even death; and
(3) animals are unable either to communicate consent to us in a form
that we can readily understand or to speak out about their abuse.
The paper offers a typology of interspecies sexual assault, including
sexual fixation, commodification, adolescent sexual experimentation and
aggravated cruelty.

http://igha.org/abuse.html#zoo
http://www.hsus.org/current/sexabuse_intro.html
http://members.aol.com/animalsav
============================================================

..."What is the background of a zoophile? fortunately they provide ample
evidences on their web sites, newsposts, bulletin boards and
confessionals, here are a few paraphrased lines from a multitude of
typical stories that show a lot of the psychology of these people, none
of which have spelling corrections;

...Why write this story? Cause it's true and I don't care what things
other people will or do think of me, I have never cared.

...I was teased and harassed because of my weight...

...I was born on Nov 8.1974. ...the doctors said that if I lived, my
mother would die, and that I would be born retarded,

..(I'm 19, just graduated! :) I am at this moment
keeping my being a zoo a secret from my parents...

... the old neighbours and surprisngly our aunts, told the Humane
Society of our dogs and 'Claimed' we were not taking care of them...

"I started to hang around alot of stray dogs and playing with them, my
first (deleted) encounter with a dog was..."

... "I had one equine experience... Strictly gay with humans and
animals."

..."My teen years were horrible. It all started during my childhood. I
had two older brothers that hated me"...

..."tried to kill me"...

..."oldest brother, he was stealing from our home, as well as cars, his
job, and his friends for women, sex, and drugs."

"My mother thought that by keeping me from
women, and not learning about sex that I would not become like them".

"...my oldest brother murdered (or suicide)"...

"... the humane society went into the house and took our dogs...

"...I was molested by my male cousin"...

"... brothers would steal my mother's Avon products, jewelry, clothing,
and bedding materials"...

"Dobbin and I
had similar problems as far as relationships that became sour"...

"...moved in with Chris when I was 22, his roomate had a dog at the
time..another male shepard mixed with rottweiler. It was neutered, but
Chris showed me how to"... (graphic description deleted)

"...was sexually abused by my dad from the age of eight"...

"...I was never popular in high scholl and girls avoided me. But when i
was 16 i gave my virginity to my parents2 year old female german
shep..."

p52; "..James felt hungry. He shifted his 350 pounds plus in the
truck"... (The Horseman:Obsessions of a zoophile)
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> - DiogenesEQ wrote:

= In article <125.71...@techtron.spambite.net>,=
=pa...@techtron.net (Pater Nicht) wrote: SNIPPED

> _ >- Pro_animal wrote:

> - >- The HSUS doesnt use these forums because they use what works much
> - >- better
> - >- their subscribers on mailing lists, magazing subscribers and
> - >- supporters!
> - >> They also send materials to people not on the net and to other animal
> - >> groups.
> - >> Most of those people dont read these newsgroups, and to my knowlege,
> - >> none of the activists I deal with do either.

> - I see a lot of posts about "Randy" and HSUS. But being a long time
> - Internet/BBS user (IRC), I know that I have never heard "zoos" discuss
> - either Randy or the HSUS until recently, but I have seen many posts over
> - the past four years or so about the Horseaid investigations and actions
> - against "zoos".

You might check this sub-page of their web site, they are staffed by
volunteers devoted exclusively to equine abuse type issues, they have
been around since 1975:

http://www.igha.org
http://www.igha.org/abuse.html

Here is part of their statement about zoophiles (which is why they are
so angry with the IGHA and attack them as well) a number of equine
abusing zoophiles who were arrested and charged are in their database:

=================================================
Lately, HorseAid has been receiving a lot of e-mail on this most
abhorrent form of equine abuse. We have not addressed this issue
publicly before because frankly, it is distasteful to us, and because we
probably have young Web surfers logging onto our site that should not be
exposed to such abhorrent human behavior. As distasteful as it may be to
us, we have been addressing this issue electronically since we first
"officially" went on-line in
1989 (hosting "The Electro NET Horse Rescue Syndicate" or E-NET, as a
means of exchanging information electronically with other groups and
individuals about equine beneficience related matters throughout the
world. Luckily, equine zoophilia was, and is, a very tiny area of horse
abuse).

Since that time, we have been directly responsible for closing down over
3000 equine related zoophile and bestiality Web sites (plus at least
another 2000 in conjunction with other groups) and BBS's (and some
"general" zoophile sites that contained equine related zoophilia),
including the infamous "mare666" Web site (IRC #horselove) out of
Denmark (and recently the U.S.) several times (although he seems to just
keep on resurfacing). If you do a Web search for "equine zoophile"
sites, you will find that most of the site URLs that show up on the
various search engines do not exist anymore --
this is directly due to our intervention (and others). Currently,
Geocities, AOL, and Angelfire are the most popular (and inadvertant) Web
hosts to equine 'zoos, but almost every host offering free Web space is
vulnerable.

Please don't e-mail us with a complaint about a "general" zoophilia or
bestiality site (the Web host is the one to contact). We are not the
"zoo police", and don't intend to be. There are several excellent Web
sites that can advise you on this issue. While we find all animal abuse
abhorrent, we only have the resources and expertise to handle equine
related abuse cases.

The I.G.H.A. and HorseAid are very strong supporters of the U.S.
Constitution's Bill of Rights, but we draw the line at any form of
equine abuse, and we consider equine zoophilia to be equine abuse --
period! No matter what the zoophiles say, zoophilia is not exactly sex
between consenting adults is it?

We have an extensive Web site section available to any District Attorney
currently involved in prosecuting an equine zoophile case located at:
http://equinerescue.org/Zoo/, which has evidentiary photographs, equine
zoophilia related information, and a list of convicted equine zoophiles,
world-wide (the list is accurate, but not extensive, as the information
has been extremely difficult for us to obtain).

To gain access to this area of our site, please e-mail us your
credentials, and the reason you are requesting the access. After we have
verified your credentials, you will be supplied (via certified U.S.
postal mail ONLY) with a user name and password allowing you to access
our equine zoophile database.
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Addressing a zoophile's post, a concerned animal lover was seen to have
posted:

..."There are times during her heat cycle when evel Pixel objects to
sexual contact,..."

"GET THE HELL OUT OF T.P.A. YOU SICK PERVERT"

(Lesley Dove)

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