Why God?

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RSF

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Aug 13, 2004, 3:05:31 AM8/13/04
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I have often wondered whether there really is a God or whether ancient
humans felt scared and needed some kind of superficial higher being to
be looked up to so that the human race would not feel so alone in the
universe. The bible, especially the Christian bible, is extensive and
very believable. The bible was written long ago and not since been
changed. Is it possible that ancients could have pericieved so many of
the situations that arise today and apply them to stories in the bible
or is it really the truth and Gods word? I guess I am just at a
crossroads as to whether God is real or not. If you take a second to
think, if any person fully believed in God, would they do anything
wrong at all, knowing God's awesome power,and wrath? Still people mess
up and do wrong things even when they are thinking about God. I know
this because i do this and i have been in this situation many times...
So is God created by man as a safety net so as we will not feel alone,
abandoned, scared? Or is God really the creator, master, lord, and
savior? Why God?

Jack

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Aug 14, 2004, 12:43:50 PM8/14/04
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crazycoo...@hotmail.com (RSF) wrote in message news:<14e36459.04081...@posting.google.com>...

> I have often wondered whether there really is a God or whether ancient
> humans felt scared and needed some kind of superficial higher being to
> be looked up to so that the human race would not feel so alone in the
> universe. The bible, especially the Christian bible, is extensive and
> very believable. The bible was written long ago and not since been
> changed.

Hasn't it actually been rewritten many times?


>Is it possible that ancients could have pericieved so many of
> the situations that arise today and apply them to stories in the bible
> or is it really the truth and Gods word?

People haven't changed much. They are still facing the same
temptations and dilemnas that they have faced for centuries. Sex,
Money, Power and Fame, not much has changed or will change in that
regard.

>I guess I am just at a
> crossroads as to whether God is real or not. If you take a second to
> think, if any person fully believed in God, would they do anything
> wrong at all, knowing God's awesome power,and wrath? Still people mess
> up and do wrong things even when they are thinking about God.

Moses came down fresh from the Mountain after talking to God, and he
smashed the ten Commandments when he saw what his people were up! He
had just lead them out of Egypt where he performed many miracles as an
instrument of God, and even parted the Red Sea! How could his people
NOT believe??? If you had witnessed those miracles, would you have
gone astray? What do people actually have to see in order to believe?

>I know
> this because i do this and i have been in this situation many times...
> So is God created by man as a safety net so as we will not feel alone,
> abandoned, scared? Or is God really the creator, master, lord, and
> savior? Why God?

It is interesting that since the beginning of human intellect,
the questions of 'Where did I come from' and 'What will happen to me
when I die?' have been of a concern to each individual. Early burials
of humans with tools and food show that our predescessors believed in
an afterlife.
Dreams have had powerful influences of suggesting a world beyond
our consciousness, even the bible talks about Joseph in this way.
Many inventors have relied on inspirations from dreams to help them
develop new inventions and concepts. Think about how many inventors
came up with similar concepts continents apart! how is that possible?
Fasting and vision-quests have been used for eons around the globe to
help guide people through their lives. Dream interpretation,
Hypnotism, Past Life regression,
Reincarnation, meditation, visions, precognition, Near Death
Experiences, Precognition,...
To me, these all point to a 'Stream of Consciousness'
beyond our wake state. We can slightly dip into it when we dream or
meditate, it influences our collective intelligence by providing our
scientists
with insights, to better develop our world. It provides religious
leaders with a deep faith that they can pass onto their flock. Why
NOT conscious beings from this stream (who have passed before us), who
can find a channel to communicate to us? Perhaps God, and his/her
followers (Moses, Jesus, Bhudda, Abraham, Mohammad, and others)
communicates/communicated to some lucky people in this manner. You do
not have to be 'Christian' to feel 'something inside', merely belief
in a purpose in your own life without condemnation for your beliefs.
People who have something to believe in and have a strong faith in
their belief are happier on the whole. I have a hard time believing
that people can believe that once they are dead, then that is it;
utter blackness and nothing. It is the faith in SOMETHING or SOMEONE
that gets you through the bad times.

They say, Seeing is believing, but for Faith, Believing is seeing!

gil...@hotmail.com

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Aug 23, 2004, 5:56:56 AM8/23/04
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I am a Christian. I see how God changes people&#8217;s lives every
day. The best way to get answers is to ask God your self. We talk to
God through paying. You might find it strange to speak to God, because
you are not even sure if there is a God. You have nothing to lose.
Take an hour, read the bible (read John in the New Testament) and ask
God to become apparent in your life. God speaks to us through other
Christian, the Bible, Circumstances, the Spirit, and many other ways.
Tell God that you are at a crossroad. You can access the bile online
at the following link.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=john&version=NIV

Reading John will help you understand many of the basic principles.
The Spirit guides us in reading and understanding the bible.

I wait on you reply.

Best regards
Gilbert Gerber

Blood Raven

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Aug 26, 2004, 4:58:39 PM8/26/04
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gil...@hotmail.com (GIL...@HOTMAIL.COM) wrote in message news:<41f08074.04082...@posting.google.com>...

Good question! Why God? Well, it doesn't have to be.
Take Confucious(did I spell that right?) for example.
He died and he stayed dead. How easy is that to believe!!!
No, I am not trying to convert you. What I want to say is
that don't be so hard on ur self, man. People make mistakes
. And we are all people here. Beleieve in God will not make
one perfect(Being God might). Important thing is to go with
what works for you. Even if there is no God, it won't be the
end of the world.

ps.Jack make some very interesting point. However, I don't
beleieve life after death and I would like to share with him
my reasons. Our brains do a lot of things. It can memeroize,
analize, reason and feel emotion and all kind of things.
Damage one's brain, and she/he could lose some of those adilitys.
Agreed?

So why will someone think that, when we lose all of our brain,
we will still be able to do all the things our brain does?
Our memorys, our beliefs, our principles, are all stored in this
hardware call brain, yes? No brain, even some energy remain, will
be mindless. Like the electricity we are using now. And that's not
life......

Jack

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Aug 28, 2004, 1:01:36 PM8/28/04
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iwlmt...@hotmail.com (Blood Raven) wrote in message

----------8<------- snip!

> ps.Jack make some very interesting point. However, I don't
> beleieve life after death and I would like to share with him
> my reasons. Our brains do a lot of things. It can memeroize,
> analize, reason and feel emotion and all kind of things.
> Damage one's brain, and she/he could lose some of those adilitys.
> Agreed?
>
> So why will someone think that, when we lose all of our brain,
> we will still be able to do all the things our brain does?
> Our memorys, our beliefs, our principles, are all stored in this
> hardware call brain, yes? No brain, even some energy remain, will
> be mindless. Like the electricity we are using now. And that's not
> life......

I am not sure about life after death either. That opportunity will
come for each of us later to find out about. It is said that 1 of 30
has an NDE once in their lives. That being said, 8 million folks in
the US have had one. Could they all be lying? Across time and
continents, man has grasped a life after death concept. Just to
assure themselves of an afterlife? Make their days on earth less
stressful? What has caused so many of the recurring similar themes
then? Dreams? People claim through meditation that they too can have
OOBE's and astral travel. They see themselves for the first time;
often commenting, 'Gee, is that how I really look? Hmm, better hit
the gym!' Does this show that the spirit can live independently of a
body? I am not sure about an afterlife, and who is to say that
EVERYONE actually gets one? Still similarities are remarkable. I
guess another way to look at it is this; what if someone came to you
before your birth and said, 'Hey, you're going to grow from a wee egg
into a human, live for about 70 revolutions around a nuclear sun which
brings life to a planet infested with flora and fauna, each dependent
on the other, and you will ride a bike, drive a car, travel by plane,
swim in the sea, watch TV, communicate by computer, and procreate a
mini-you. After that you will come back here.' What would you think?
Would you want to go? Would you believe it? Isn't it amazing that
we are here to begin with? Who would believe THAT?

Blood Raven

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Aug 28, 2004, 8:54:56 PM8/28/04
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> I am not sure about life after death either. That opportunity will
> come for each of us later to find out about. It is said that 1 of 30
> has an NDE once in their lives. That being said, 8 million folks in
> the US have had one. Could they all be lying? Across time and
> continents, man has grasped a life after death concept. Just to
> assure themselves of an afterlife? Make their days on earth less
> stressful? What has caused so many of the recurring similar themes
> then? Dreams? People claim through meditation that they too can have
> OOBE's and astral travel. They see themselves for the first time;
> often commenting, 'Gee, is that how I really look? Hmm, better hit
> the gym!' Does this show that the spirit can live independently of a
> body? I am not sure about an afterlife, and who is to say that
> EVERYONE actually gets one? Still similarities are remarkable. I
> guess another way to look at it is this; what if someone came to you
> before your birth and said, 'Hey, you're going to grow from a wee egg
> into a human, live for about 70 revolutions around a nuclear sun which
> brings life to a planet infested with flora and fauna, each dependent
> on the other, and you will ride a bike, drive a car, travel by plane,
> swim in the sea, watch TV, communicate by computer, and procreate a
> mini-you. After that you will come back here.' What would you think?
> Would you want to go? Would you believe it? Isn't it amazing that
> we are here to begin with? Who would believe THAT?

It is indeed sweet to think that we came from some where and are going some

where. But I have to remind myself to get real. False hope of after life might

lower one's drive to live with no regrates. "There will be time tomorrow".

Regarding NDE's. My beloved mother had one. She was in the hospital having

sergiry, when she seems to rise in a bubble away from her body. However it is

but a illution. Like a mirrage. People under certain kind of injury have same

reaction shouldn't be surprising. Slam a hammer on anyone and he will feel

pain. when near death, and dreaming, many could have the same dream. Dreams can

easily be affected by the body condition. Regarding OOBE's.... none of them can

prove their ability to a craditable press. If we see our brains as a computer.

then, with the hardware down.... we lose all files and all programs......

future scientists may be able to look at our memorys through our preserved

brain. but we will not be taking those memerys with us. It is true that no one

can be sure. but unless a mirical happens, our intelengence will die with the

brain. Still i understand it is fun to think about befor life and after life.

And i wish we will have one.

Milan Klima

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Aug 28, 2004, 10:37:39 PM8/28/04
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Do you actually think people dont realize you are posting the same
bloody paragraph of crap over and over again? "I'm a Christian. I see
how God changes people" Why dont you shove this moronic crap up your
ass?

regards
Milan

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