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What's so HOT and NASTY about Venus?

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Brad Guth

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May 22, 2005, 4:06:49 PM5/22/05
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This is actually not another joke, as there's clearly a pot load of
indications that other life and/or ETs having been taking advantage of
the hot and supposedly nasty surface of Venus.

How is this remotely possible?

Are ETs simply a whole smarter than humans?

Could a village idiot like yourself survive upon Venus?
~

The GUTH Venus township, bridge and ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few of my other testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth

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May 22, 2005, 4:39:27 PM5/22/05
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What's not to like about Venus?

Other than the well known fact that at frequent times Venus is only 105
fold as far away as our moon.

I might need to ask; what portions of physics-101 are not permitted to
function on behalf of Venus?

There's actually a measurable degree of starshine and even earthshine
arriving upon the extended nighttime seasonal surface of Venus, that
plus a fairly good amount of near-IR as derived off many active
geothermal sources, plus there's another perfectly good chance in hell
of lighting generated illumination which could be a whole lot more
lethal than the mostly CO2 environment that's supposedly so freaking
hot and nasty. Just the thunder aspects of 150+db could represent a bit
more than what's survivable.

R-1024/m worth of basalt/silica structural composite insulation
certainly isn't a problem, and loads of spare energy that's about as
environmentally green and user friendly as such enormous energy density
could possibly get is obviously available as for sharing a contributing
factor on behalf of surviving, that is if you were not a certifice
village idiot and that you actually had to make due within a somewhat
testy situation.

Since Venus wasn't always so damn hot and nasty, and perhaps it's not
actually even nearly as old as Earth (say arriving into orbit as little
as 6,000 some odd years ago isn't exactly impossible);
On a scale of 1-10, how complex would it be to survive in hell without
having to import technology nor sell your sorry soul to the devil(GW
Bush) himself.

Brad Guth

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May 22, 2005, 4:57:01 PM5/22/05
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What's not to like about Venus?

Other than the well known matter of fact that at frequent times Venus
is only 105 fold as far away as our moon, and from the vantage point of
our moon is where Venus is extremely bright to the naked eye and
perhaps half again brighter to the unfiltered Kodak eye since a good
portion of the near-UV and UV-a energy is getting reflected off them
thick clouds.

I might need to ask; what portions of physics-101 are not permitted to
function on behalf of Venus?

There's actually a measurable degree of starshine and even earthshine
arriving upon the extended nighttime seasonal surface of Venus, that
plus a fairly good amount of near-IR as derived off many active
geothermal sources, plus there's another perfectly good chance in hell
of lighting generated illumination which could be a whole lot more
lethal than the mostly CO2 environment that's supposedly so freaking

hot and nasty, whereas just the thunder aspects of 150+db could


represent a bit more than what's survivable.

R-1024/m worth of basalt/silica structural composite insulation
certainly isn't a problem, and loads of spare energy that's about as
environmentally green and user friendly as such enormous energy density

could possibly get is obviously available as for sharing towards a


contributing factor on behalf of surviving, that is if you were not a

certified village idiot moron and that you actually had to make due


within a somewhat testy situation.

Rigid airship physics is nearly ideal, with such applied technology as
possibly capable of reaching up to seeing thems stars and of good old
Earth looking terrably cold and wet, not to mention infested with
absolute heathens running amuck by way of shifting their global albedo
into the nearest space-toilet as they fight to their deaths over the
last drop of oil.

However, since Venus wasn't always so damn hot and nasty, whereas once
upon a time having a much thiner atmosphere and perhaps that it's not


actually even nearly as old as Earth (say arriving into orbit as little
as 6,000 some odd years ago isn't exactly impossible);

On a scale of 1-10, how complex or insurmountable would it have been to


survive in hell without having to import technology nor sell your sorry
soul to the devil(GW Bush) himself.

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donsto...@hotmail.com

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May 23, 2005, 6:58:36 AM5/23/05
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I've been there. Nice Moon Maidens. Had "Today Iraq, tomorrow
Germany, then on to Canada" tatooed on their livers. I like cumtwats.
Darlene, back into your cage, please. Why didn't Eistein try to unify
the four integers 1, 2, 3, 4 if he was going to try the impossibe?
Fishing is good on the Guadalupe. Fred Astaire's left little toenail
has just fallen off. Inviolable rules must be defined before the game
is played. WW III is now precluded due to the cybernetic locking-in of
the Globa Brain:
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/SUPORGLI.html

have a very nice day.

- Donsky Oatsky, aka

"Mervin, the Wonder Arm-a-dildo"

David V.

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May 23, 2005, 12:03:23 PM5/23/05
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Fredrick Garvin wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:49 -0700, Brad Guth expelled the
> following:

>
>> This is actually not another joke, as there's clearly a pot
>> load of indications that other life and/or ETs having been
>> taking advantage of the hot and supposedly nasty surface of
>> Venus.
>>
>> How is this remotely possible?
>>
>> Are ETs simply a whole smarter than humans?
>>
>> Could a village idiot like yourself survive upon Venus?
>
> I wish *YOU* would freaking go there and find out....

I'll chip in a few bucks to send Gruth there.

--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.

Art Deco

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May 23, 2005, 12:17:56 PM5/23/05
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David V. <sp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Fredrick Garvin wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:49 -0700, Brad Guth expelled the
> > following:
> >
> >> This is actually not another joke, as there's clearly a pot
> >> load of indications that other life and/or ETs having been
> >> taking advantage of the hot and supposedly nasty surface of
> >> Venus.
> >>
> >> How is this remotely possible?
> >>
> >> Are ETs simply a whole smarter than humans?
> >>
> >> Could a village idiot like yourself survive upon Venus?
> >
> > I wish *YOU* would freaking go there and find out....
>
> I'll chip in a few bucks to send Gruth there.

No whine in this post about off-topic? What gives?

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David V.

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May 23, 2005, 3:43:23 PM5/23/05
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Art Deco wrote:
> David V. <sp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Fredrick Garvin wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:49 -0700, Brad Guth expelled the
>>>following:
>>>
>>>
>>>>This is actually not another joke, as there's clearly a pot
>>>>load of indications that other life and/or ETs having been
>>>>taking advantage of the hot and supposedly nasty surface of
>>>>Venus.
>>>>
>>>>How is this remotely possible?
>>>>
>>>>Are ETs simply a whole smarter than humans?
>>>>
>>>>Could a village idiot like yourself survive upon Venus?
>>>
>>>I wish *YOU* would freaking go there and find out....
>>
>>I'll chip in a few bucks to send Gruth there.
>
> No whine in this post about off-topic? What gives?

You must enjoy being an asshole.

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Brad Guth

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May 24, 2005, 4:10:34 AM5/24/05
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Dear incest cloned borgs; Fredrick Garvin, Art Deco, David V., Bob
Officer and I'm not quite sure about 'donstockba'

If you're all so collectively borg like smart and thus so freaking
all-knowing, then perhaps you folks can share a part of your borg
expertise by explaining the 'fluid arch' that's quite a natural sight
to see as flowing something upon Venus. Or, perhaps you'd care to give
us village idiots a better educated shot at the rigid airship and/or
UFO park-n-ride tarmac. For the moment disregard the not so little
bridge item, road like excavations, multiple and interconnected
reservoirs and of the rather large and complex community of structures
that certainly looks way more artificial than of anything ever radar
imaged on another planet other than Earth, and I guess forget all about
the laws of physics while you're at it by way of using your perpetrated
cold-war or bust conditional laws of physics that got us onto our moon.

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Scott Hedrick

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May 25, 2005, 10:57:20 AM5/25/05
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> On Tue, 24 May 2005 01:10:34 -0700, Brad Guth expelled the following:
>
> > Dear incest cloned borgs

That's how Brad starts all his letters to the Maxson spawn.

>>I

>> forget all about
> > the laws of physics

You can't even remember the difference between Mars and Venus.


Brad Guth

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May 25, 2005, 5:37:30 PM5/25/05
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Scott Hedrick; "You can't even remember the difference between Mars and
Venus.

Very good for such a typical incest cloned borg that apparently thinks
that Muslums dress funny, smell funny and aren't otherwise worth much.
I'll be sure that Osama bin Laden gets your address, in that way you
can inform Osama bin Lader as to which planet is Mars and which is
Venus.

BTW; since you seems to know so darn much about Venus, perhaps you can
tell us where the heck Venus was in relationship to our folks
supposedly walking on the moon?

Otherwise share something as to the following tit-for-tat.

Answer a few simple questions about the portion of raw solar influx
spectrum that's merely contributing to the nasty lunar environment of
near-UV and of the fully UV spectrum?

When your cloak and dagger MI6/NSA (aka NASA/Apollo) borg collective
'took the assignment' of officially topic/author stalking and bashing,
didn't any of your borg hive bother as to think about consulting with
the likes of your supposedly independent borg/wizard 'Jay Windley'?

This folling new and improved rant is actually 100% Jay Windley's idea,
as it was one of his all-knowing staff and even that of himself
indirectly insisting without ever sharing specifics that our
terrestrial satellites obtained at least some portion of their X-ray
instrument calibrations off our solar impacted moon, which up until
then I'd no idea that our moon was so darn reactive and thus
secondary/recoil hot and hasty.

It seems those moon hard-X-rays can become downright pesky if not
lethal.

>From an orbit above Earth is where our terrestrial satellite
instruments take another calibration of hard-X-ray dosage by way of
what's being emitted off our solar illuminated and reasonably reactive
moon (reactive because of it's size, average density and having such a
slight amount of atmosphere), whereas by lunar day is where a
substantial amount of secondary/recoil photons of hard-X-ray energy is
well documented via all sorts of instruments and even by NASA's ROSAT
having made images available as compared to the relatively quiet lunar
nighttime and/or earthshine portion of the moon's surface that's not
sharing much of anything other than relatively low cosmic background
and certainly a few gamma ray induced X-rays.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960929.html
"This X-Ray image of the Moon was made by the orbiting Roentgen
Observatory Satellite (ROSAT) in 1990. It shows three distinct regions:
a bright X-ray sky, a bright part of the Moon, and a relatively dark
part of the Moon. The bright X-ray sky is due to the diffuse cosmic
X-ray background."

As based on an extremely modest level, and without taking further into
account for whatever the Van Allen buffer zone that's entirely within
the fist half leg of the distance as providing a zero worth of
attenuation (not all that likely the case), then as for our using their
very own standard formula as per square of the distance as for
reverse-calculating the secondary/recoil radiation as being a factor of
supposedly getting four times as intense for each half reduction in the
distance is what creates the following results.

384,000 km = 1 extra mr/day (a lunar millirad taken from being less
than 400 km above Earth)
192,000 km = 4 extra mr/day (excluding whatever Van Allen belt
attenuation factors)
96,000 km = 16 mr/day
48,000 km = 64 mr/day
24,000 km = 256 mr/day
12,000 km = 1024 mr/day
*6,000 km = 4096 mr/day
*3,000 km = 16,384 mr/day
*1,500 km = 65,536 mr/day
* 750 km = 262,144 mr/day
* 375 km = 1,048,576 mr/d (1048 rads/day, or 10.48 Sv/day)

* Of course it's a wee bit more complex because we'll need to start
subtracting as based upon getting closer and closer to the lunar
surface because there's simply fewer secondary radiating m2 to work
from that are capable of sharing their worth of TBI X-ray dosage. Thus
knowing the starting dosage/day and of what amount is attenuated by the
Van Allen zone becomes essential if we're to believe in the numbers
that should actually become greater than what I've suggested. Too bad
that we still have not the required technology of deploying one
interactive scientific instrument as situated upon our moon.

Notice that I've slao learned and verified that it supposedly takes (by
way of government as well as various independent standards) 0.7"(18 mm)
worth of lead in order to cut hard-X-ray dosage in half. The process of
orbiting the moon is by itself going to cut your time of exposure in
half, which is still somewhat testy considering that our Apollo
missions supposedly cruised to within slightly better than 100 km away
from the moon, not to mention many having strolled about the lunar
surface for hours on end as nearly naked to the likes of hard-X-rays,
and not to otherwise mention upon a good amount of their getting bathed
in secondary/recoil dosage of near-blue photons that should have been
easily recorded by each one of their unfiltered Kodak eyes (meaning
conventional film that's actually quite photo-chemical/dye sensitive to
the considerable level of the near-UV spectrum).

It seems the extra millirem/day basis of what the raw solar energy that
impacted the moon and subsequently provides to our terrestrial
satellite X-ray instruments as secondary/recoil energy is of all things
directly proportional to the square of the distance from the moon. Of
course I'm being conservative by way of stipulating as to the modest 1
mr/day, whereas that amount could easily become 1 mr/hr(24 mr/day) if
the solar output conditions are right. This analogy is also entirely
discounting whatever benefit afforded by the 'Van Allen buffer zone of
death', by which you'd think should contribute yet another good portion
of X-ray dosage reduction upon whatever's getting through to our
terrestrial satellites, and obviously affording just the opposite as
for going towards the moon, whereas this buffer zone of Van Allen belts
is entirely within the first half leg of just getting ourselves half
the distance towards the moon, might thereby suggest instead of 192,000
km = 4 mr/day could become 16 or even 64 mr/day.

As for trying to honestly research, much less asking most any honest
questions as to the actual worth of the Van Allen belts for
understanding the given task of moderating hard-X-rays, as per
filtering what's specifically coming off the solar impacted moon,
whereas you'll discover either another load of evidence exclusions,
bits of disinformation or at most inconclusive infomercial data that
can't be tied into anything NASA/Apollo. It's as though we either do
not know squat about the density and subsequent benefits of the Van
Allen zone(s) or, that we're being continually snookered for the good
of their 'Skull and Bones' MI6/NSA team(s) that seem to have their
hidden and ulterior agendas focused at all cost upon sustaining their
perpetrated cold-war(s), and that's clearly without any sign whatsoever
of remorse, as for becoming such absolute LLPOF folks that they've had
to become (or else). As otherwise, why is it so impossible to honestly
review hard-science of Van Allen belt facts as such relates to
hard-X-rays?

The answer is; it simply shouldn't have been all difficult, nor should
there have been the need for evidence exclusions and/or cloak and
dagger style of need-to-know bodies of nondisclosure, that is unless
the truth and nothing but the truth is simply more than we can bare.
Such as considering that intelligent design via terraforming a planet
is only half as bad as for the likes of our moon and Venus arriving
from an older and more powerful kick-ass other star system. Though try
suggesting anything about the Sirius star system and of it's extensive
Oort zone is only adding to the already darkened sky's that are such
because of all the mainstream status quo flak that's coming my way.

As for the likes of our missing in action 'tj Frazir', and so many
other nice folks are not amused nor the least bit impressed with all of
the LLPOF conditional laws of physics, and certainly not intimidated by
all of the NASA/Apollo evidence exclusions that are very much like the
Iraq WMD fiasco that's been responsible for so much collateral damage
plus the taking of tens of thousands of Muslim lives, not to mention a
few too many others which we've clearly snookered into getting
involved, which only makes the likes of Saddam look much like a
certified daycare provider that simply had a few bad days plus a couple
of his own incest cloned kids from hell to deal with. Of course we all
realize that Saddam wasn't exactly a warm and fuzzy nice sort of
dictator, but then neither are most other dictators that are still very
much running amuck like our very own resident warlord(GW Bush).

If it's acceptable to cloak and dagger about in such a manner as to
cause so much collateral damage and the carnage of so many innocent
souls, then obviously there's nothing the least bit improper and/or
immoral as to limiting what our NASA/Apollo teams of incest cloned
borgs have been doing all along, as in such perpetrated wars there are
no rules except for the one about your not getting caught or otherwise
caught spelling the beans to the facts that there is no actual smoking
cold-war gun, just liars telling lies upon lies intended only to beget
more lies, having just enough truth mixed in so as to snooker thy
humanity into believing that our religion and of whatever political
flavor of the day is what's keeping us alive, as opposed to insuring
that others opposing our will are going to remain at risk of losing
their lives and most certainly the oil beneath.
~

GUTH Venus township, Bridge & ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Brad Guth LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Other somewhat testy topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth

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May 29, 2005, 6:06:37 PM5/29/05
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How unfortunate. In other words, you're offering proof-positive that
you really don't know squat about Venus?
~

Your basic Venus bridge, township & ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The GUTH LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator):
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few other spare topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth

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May 30, 2005, 1:03:26 AM5/30/05
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Dear f/fgeorge,
Perhaps that's the problem, I don't seem to know exactly what the heck
my job is these days. I've been honestly attempting to locate even one
of those 'lost in space' Apollo cows to no avail, I've been promoting
the likes of the lunar space elevator (LSE-CM/ISS) that apparently only
the Chinese and Russians are tasking seriously, thus why am I not
surprised at the total dumfounded and thereby lack of any expertise
related to Venus that our MI6/NSA (aka NASA and/or SETI) spooks are not
the least bit interested in further investigating the rather obvious
possibilities, that our teams of supposed crack wizards encharge of
making nifty things happen and interpreting upon the results basically
screwed up again, as in almost as bad off as for their spotting all of
those nasty WMD that turned out being little more than donkey carts
stuffed with a butt-load of pocket rockets that are more good for grand
openings than anything else.

Of course, now that there's tens of thousands of dead and/or dying
Muslims just about everwhere you'd care to look, perhaps we'll be
needing that GW Bush 'so what's the difference' policy more than ever.

Perhaps my best job is for my lose cannon to keep firing off random
shots into the dark and otherwise for my pushing your do-not-push
buttons.
~

GUTH Venus township, bridge and ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few other testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

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On 29 May 2005 15:06:37 -0700, "Brad Guth" <ieisbradg...@yahoo.com>
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>How unfortunate. In other words, you're offering proof-positive that
>you really don't know squat about Venus?
>~

ACTUALLY isn't that YOUR job Brad?

Brad Guth

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May 31, 2005, 12:38:16 AM5/31/05
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??

f/fgeorge,
I don't know about yourself but, I'm not even Klingon encrypting. So
what's your problem

Brad Guth

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Jun 6, 2005, 10:56:39 AM6/6/05
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It may eventually become safer upon Venus than Earth if opposing Oort
zones are mixing it up, or if ever Sirius-a decides to join forces with
Sirius-b, whereas having a truly thick surrounding atmosphere is about
the only viable salvation for humanity. At least technically Venus is
not too hot and nasty for applied physics to save the day, at least not
upon such a geologically new and improved planet such as Venus. Though
the prospects of getting an icy moon delivered to Venus could be
somewhat daunting unless ET terraforming expertise is willing to help.

Here's a bit more proof-positive that forums generally suck whenever
there's another batch of evidence that we've been snookered, such as
the following;
DARK THREAT & the mass extinctions on Earth as viewed by Bruce
Dorminey, this isn't the sort of topic contribution that's for the
likes of David V., Art Deco or any other clearly bigoted and spiteful
mindset that has no intentions of their ever contributing an honest
thought nor wisdom.

Fortunately for humanity and ETs, it seems that I'm not the one and
only unbigoted 'nutbag' that's running amuck. It's fairly obvious that
a few authors with access to getting their opinions published by the
likes of 'ASTRONOMY' and even 'NATURE' seem to have been suggesting
that perhaps village astronomy idiots such as myself are at worst only
half crazy, whereas our other half is essentially dead on the money,
and these days being 50/50 correct is far better odds than most, short
of being another Einstein. After all, our resident warlord(GW Bush)
hasn't been 10% right, and club SETI is convinced that ETs are
biologically blind as well as dumb and dumber, as in so entirely
dumbfounded that it's up to SETI expertise as for finding them ET
heathens before it's too late.

ASTRONOMY of July 2005 (page 43) contributes somewhat interesting
notions within the subjective article 'DARK THREAT' by Bruce Dorminey,
as for the stellar motions of several nearby stars that are sooner or
later going to be embracing our 100 AU Oort zone horizon with a nearby
visit, with Barnard's star arriving first, then Lalande-21185 followed
by Proxima/Alpha Century and finally Sirius picking us the rear by some
odd 66,000 years from now. The artistic pictograph that's offered is a
bit suggestive that our Oort cloud extends better than 1.9 LY, which
I'm fairly certain that it's not anywhere that extensive nor as
populated as what the article graphic(Future close encounters of the
stellar kind) has to offer, as that migh have to suggest the Sirius
Oort cloud of at least 6.5 LY which would have placed these opposing
fields of debris as currently interacting with one another, which I
believe is clearly not the case.

And here I'll bet you thought artificial contributed global-warming was
the last straw; think again folks because, as time goes on it's only
going to get worse, whereas human impact as well as stellar
interactions are going to become somewhat testy if not lethal,
especially if Sirius-a merges with the likes of Sirius-b, or just that
potential of our mutual Oort zones colliding could make life somewhat
tenuous if not impossible.

Unfortunately, it seem that my rather piss-poor and somewhat dyslexic
math and therefore reverse engineering as research having placed the
nearby arrival of Sirius at roughly 65,000 years from now and such
getting a whole lot closer, whereas I'm thinking that because of our
orbit being associated as the sharp end of the ellipse is where I'd
place our stellar encounter with Sirius a wee bit closer if not for
entirely orbiting the Sirius star system, thereby spending a good
amount of time well within 0.0086 LY (that's capable of contributing
better than full moon light to our eyes and way better yet to the likes
of nocturnals plus whatever diatoms and most other than human life
that'll appreciate a good added dosage of 400~450 nm), which by the
usual formula offers Earth a million fold more individual starshine
than currently perceived while being 8.6 LY distant. Much closer than
0.0043 LY is perhaps getting a bit too close for comfort, as that's a
mere 272 LY that would insure not only an extremely illuminated
nighttime but one hell of an impressive cosmic show of force as our
Oort zones duke it out until that last fragments survives.

Of course, if our relatively itsy bitsy solar system is supposedly
hosting a 100+AU worth of Oort zone debris, and if the math holds true
for Sirius offering roughly 3.5 fold as much combined mass, I'm
thinking our encounter with the extremely illuminating Sirius star
system may become somewhat of a nasty gauntlet of merging of Oort zone
debris, especially testy of things are rotating in retrograde to one
another.

I'm not even certain if it's purely linear or if it goes by the square
of the associated mass, whereas a purely linear based Sirius Oort zone
horizon might be worth 350 AU or, if we're going by the square of the
mass is offering an extra 1200 AU worth of opportunities for absolutely
the worst possible encounters of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and so forth
kinds until each of our Oort zones have either pulverised one another
to death or having become sufficiently separated for the next 100,000
year. Even if a gauntlet of 350 AU is what Sirius has to offer, it
seems there's a perfectly darn good chance that a few of our outer most
100+AU items of icy and assorted other debris could merge rather poorly
with the Sirius 350+AU Oort zone of debris, and then some.

Of course, as the outsider fool that has been stuck on the need-to-know
hill, especially ever since I've been interpreting what's to be seen as
most likely artificial attributes situated upon Venus and, having a few
notions as to where our moon and Venus came from, it seems I've also
been a little too far outside the box by way of suggesting upon this
stellar encounter as an honest science topic, offering an indirect if
not direct method as to getting folks around to my way of dyslexic
thinking, upon a conjecture of what I believe most likely contributed
to the vast build-up of diatoms and/or the primary cause and affect of
our ice-age cycles. Unfortunately, this sort of tit-for-tat having been
offered for several years was going nowhere against the mainstream flow
and surging tide of whatever suits the NASA/Apollo perpetrated cold-war
ruse/sting of the century.

Against the mainstream flow, I've been sharing my thoughts by way of
contributing into these 'forums that suck', by way of offering all
sorts of honest opportunities to share and share alike, only to see
that I'm being proven right that hidden agendas and ulterior motives of
what most individuals are all about is exactly what's making these
forums so bigoted against other life and thereby suck to such an extent
that they've managed to create artificial black hole worth of yet
another intellectual event horizon of what's been surrounding their
very own mainstream intellectual swamp gas, that which has been
stinking every bit as bad as per their individual flatulence having
become so bigoted and summarily arrogant that it's nearly impossible to
tell the difference between their intellectual cesspools and the piles
upon piles of their intellectual crapola that forms their beach. For
club SETI to be suggesting that ETs only exist if they're biologically
blind and having somehow remained dumb and dumber than the easily
dumbfounded fools upon this Earth is about as three-faced and arrogant
as it gets. I mean, how sanctimonious can SETI be than to consider
itself as being all-knowing to the point of rejecting all alternative
forms of life, whereas most insects upon Earth are more capable of
surviving inspite of humanity than humanity itself. Just because a
given nearby planet doesn't include a majority of 'GW Bush' and/or NASA
loving heathens isn't in my book of reasons to exclude upon their
existence, yet that's exactly what SETI has been doing by way of
excluding evidence and avoiding whatever's entirely possible by the
known laws of physics as well as hard-science, yet they'll insist that
we've walked upon the moon with absolutely no hard-science and somewhat
in opposition to the known laws of physics, which must represent that
cold-fusion, perpetual-motion and WMD are SETI approved to boot.

Apparently the Sirius Oort cloud is not allowed to coexist, much less
along with icy moons of r/2000 km, thus it seems for mentioning any
associations as to diatoms, our 'once upon a time' icy moon or even the
arrival of Venus within the discussion of including Sirius delivers an
automatic topic/forum death sentence. It's otherwise insuring that such
authors will be either banished and/or stalked while given way more
than his/her far share of bashing flak instead of a gram of support for
anything we have to say. Whereas at least Bruce Dorminey has either
maintained a slim margin of humor or, simply having that fraction of an
open mind and the necessary touch of remorse that has yet to have been
destroyed, by way of avoiding the usual entrapment of getting
assimilated into the mainstream status quo collective having allowed
Bruce to express somewhat distorted artistic views without impalement.
Thus it'll become interesting to see exactly how much flak Bruce has to
defend himself from.

The point that needs to be taken seriously is that stellar encounters
have transpired in the past and, they'll likely have a rather nasty
habit of happening over and over, thus not all is continually
expanding. In fact, the 225 million year cycle of the Milky Way as
having been further determined by the Hipparcos data as a matter of
fact isn't to be excluded and/or disregarded simply because it doesn't
fit within your cozy box of social/political and/or religious beliefs.

Just one of many examples; The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar
neighbourhood, by Nordström et al., and further improved by Hipparcos
data:
http://www.edpsciences.org/papers/aa/abs/press-releases/PR20030959/PR20030959.html
Taking notice how extensive the expansion and contraction cycle has
indicated as to how stellar motions are more interactive and entirely
capable of influencing our environment, whereas so much activity
becomes near our solar system that it seems somewhat impossible for the
likes of Sirius not to have become closely interrelated with us, if not
a matter of fact that perhaps we're orbiting Sirius and, at such close
encountering times we're each capable of exchanging a few items and/or
blows from our respective Oort clouds of somewhat substantial debris
(especially from the Sirius side of this highly illuminating and Oort
zone equation).
~

GUTH Venus Township, Bridge and ET Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm


Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm

A few extra testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth

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When it comes down to pure chaos and perhaps creating a great deal of
certified hell upon Earth, and just about everywhere else you can think
of, nothing beats the pure happenstance of a good stellar encounter of
merging Oort clouds. This form of chaos could get to the point where it

may eventually become safer upon Venus than Earth if opposing Oort
zones are mixing it up, or if ever Sirius-a decides to join forces with
Sirius-b would make the 'SGR 1806-20' event look and feel like a
pop-pop, whereas having a truly thick surrounding atmosphere is about

the only viable salvation for humanity. At least technically Venus is
NOT too hot and nasty for applied physics to save the day while in the
process of saving our butts, at least not upon such a geologically new

and improved planet such as Venus.

There's little if any question that between a few retrograde 'death
star' deployments and that of utilizing our Boeing/TRW/Raytheon
(Phantom Works) ABLs with their 100 MW and 0.5 milliradian laser cannon
beam is where any nation that's foolish enough as for attempting to
establish claim to the one and only LSE-CM/ISS zone is going to be in
for a nasty fight.

However, long after every last drop of oil, m3 of natural gas and tonne
of coal has been exhausted for the past several thousand years upon
Earth, for whomever is still alive and kicking it may eventually become


safer upon Venus than Earth if opposing Oort zones are mixing it up, or
if ever Sirius-a decides to join forces with Sirius-b, whereas having a
truly thick surrounding atmosphere is about the only viable salvation

for whatever's left of humanity. At least for applied technology,
technically the environment offered by Venus is NOT too hot and nasty
for the regular laws of physics to save humanity, at least not for such
a geologically newish and continually improving planet that's offering
such vast amounts of renewable energy and surface access to viable
elements. Though as for that prospect of somehow getting an icy moon
delivered into orbiting Venus could be somewhat daunting unless ET
terraforming expertise is willing to help. Although, where within this
universe could we manage to find sufficiently arrogant and bigoted ETs
that would come up to, or rather down to our 'so what's the difference'
standards of collateral damage upon snookering-thy-humanity, then
pillage and rape whatever's leftover.

Here's a bit more proof-positive that forums generally suck whenever

there's another batch of evidence emerging that we've been snookered by
those supposidly having 'the right stuff', such as the following;

I'll have to bet you thought artificial (mostly GW Bush) contributed


global-warming was the last straw; think again folks because, as time
goes on it's only going to get worse, whereas human impact as well as
stellar interactions are going to become somewhat testy if not lethal,
especially if Sirius-a merges with the likes of Sirius-b, or just that
potential of our mutual Oort zones colliding could make life somewhat
tenuous if not impossible.

Unfortunately, it may seem that my rather piss-poor and somewhat


dyslexic math and therefore reverse engineering as research having
placed the nearby arrival of Sirius at roughly 65,000 years from now
and such getting a whole lot closer, whereas I'm thinking that because

of our being associated as the sharp end of the ellipse is where I'd go
so far as to place our encounter with Sirius a wee bit closer if not


for entirely orbiting the Sirius star system, thereby spending a good
amount of time well within 0.0086 LY (that's capable of contributing
better than full moon light to our eyes and way better yet to the likes
of nocturnals plus whatever diatoms and most other than human life
that'll appreciate a good added dosage of 400~450 nm), which by the

usual formula of the human visual spectrum offers Earth a million fold

Notice how extensive their expansion and contraction cycle has
indicated as to how stellar motions are more interactive and thereby


entirely capable of influencing our environment, whereas so much
activity becomes near our solar system that it seems somewhat
impossible for the likes of Sirius not to have become closely
interrelated with us, if not a matter of fact that perhaps we're
orbiting Sirius and, at such close encountering times we're each
capable of exchanging a few items and/or blows from our respective Oort
clouds of somewhat substantial debris (especially from the Sirius side
of this highly illuminating and Oort zone equation).
~

GUTH Venus Township, Bridge and ET Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm

Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm

A few extra testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Art Deco

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Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

How many more times will you be posting this same screed, Guthball?

rushus...@yahoo.com

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The spiders_hate_women. Secretly, the spiders want to lop a woman's
breast off, they are so enraged.

What do I do?

Fight breast cancer, protect your children.

Spiders, spiders on the wall
whose the dumbest of you all?

Did you guys decide yet?

Right. The pinnacle of American military intelligence.

SCARECROW

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Art Deco wrote:
>
> How many more times will you be posting this same screed, Guthball?
>


I don't like you posting here, you smug word-wastrel. This is fair
warning, your last for awhile, that if you continue I will pull a
shoebox through your anus.

Jul-yin the wizard

Brad Guth

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Since rusemaster 'OM' has rejected upon sharing with other forums that
suck outside of his sci.space.history cult, as such I'll have to
include this one again on behalf of the few other honest folks
elsewhere thinking that I'm not contributing my fair share of replies.
For a better topic look-see, goto the following link that's more
inclusive of the sorts of their disinformation-R-us intellectual
flatulence.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/7a7cab487beb942d/94b28de4a5a78de4?q=brad+guth&rnum=2&hl=en#94b28de4a5a78de4

Sorry 'OM', I simply didn't realize that you'd stopped licking yourself
long enough to respond.

Was there something within your flatulence that was more than even you
could tolerate?

Obviously you're still so full of yourself that whatever's worth incest
cloning is somewhat redundant.
~

My GUTH Venus township, bridge and ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv­-town.htm
Russian-China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lu­nar-space-elevator.htm
A few other hot and testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv­-topics.htm

SCARECROW

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Brad Guth wrote:

> Sorry 'OM', I simply didn't realize that you'd stopped licking yourself
> long enough to respond.

Attempt to turn an apology into a weapon: Failed.
I accept your apology and will allow you to overcome it through a
monthly tithe.

> Was there something within your flatulence that was more than even you
> could tolerate?

Yeah, it was a toolbox.

> Obviously you're still so full of yourself that whatever's worth incest
> cloning is somewhat redundant.

Please define incest cloning. Note: This is not begging it's just a
little less abrasive than writing "Give me the definition of incest
cloning, foolish simpleton." like I would have preferred.

---------

Did you realize you posted to talk.bizarre? Did you realize that he who
is every two letter acronym posts there? How would you feel if someone
clearly wasn't talking to you but they were talk to someone who they
identified with your callsign? You'd feel damned heated, roight.

Sharpen your word-cutting stick because your vague ambiguity makes me
retch.

Jul-yin the wizard

marika

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"Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118069799.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

<<It may eventually become safer upon Venus than Earth if opposing Oort
zones are mixing it up, or if ever Sirius-a decides to join forces with
Sirius-b, whereas having a truly thick surrounding atmosphere is about
the only viable salvation for humanity. At least technically Venus is
not too hot and nasty for applied physics to save the day, at least not
upon such a geologically new and improved planet such as Venus. Though
the prospects of getting an icy moon delivered to Venus could be
somewhat daunting unless ET terraforming expertise is willing to help.>>

darn and I thought you crafted that other post just for me
I hope you do not turn out to be the Sean Taylor of the Seti world

mk5000

"we go through life so fast that I look at this as a great time to sit back
and enjoy one single moment. For me that's the Star Wars movie. I get to
take in the whole experience of waiting and the anticipation building, which
finally culminates in seeing the movie--jeff tweiten


David V.

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Oh boy..... I bet that Art is cowering in the corner now.

NOT!

What a fool.

SCARECROW

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Only one shoebox through the anus at a time, David. You will have to
wait until the trick is performed at least once before it will be mass
produced. I would like to guarantee you the same fate, but I have
nowhere near the desire of unleashing it on you as I do on "Art."

Third Mall from the Sun

SCARECROW

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NOTE: Sarcasm time Sarcasm time Sarcasm time

Oh boy, I bet Art is so emboldened and emblazoned that the only reason
he had you respond instead of showing some spine and responding himself
is because he is having an internet problem. He is probably trying
really hard to get back to the internet to pursue this avenue, and he
will likely be extremely angry with you for responding first because
he's a true noble warrior and doesn't like other people having to take
care of his business. He is probably so angry that he is going to go
emulate virus on cell attack with a feline animal after which he will
eat the feline animal because he likes it that way and screw all the
reds.

SCARECROW

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David V. wrote:

> Oh boy..... I bet that Art is cowering in the corner now.
>
>
>
> NOT!
>
> What a fool.

In responding to this earlier, I missed your inquisitive question,
probably because you chose to end it with a period instead of a
question mark.

A fool has numerous connotations in modern society. It is often a bad
association, as in a dummy or someone with half a brain in their head
(and it's hard to say that missing a piece of human anatomy is an
advantage), but occasionally, and also technically, it has some
connections to a more positive role. A fool is a synonym for jester and
joker. This was a position served in monarchies by a man in a hilarious
cap who entertained the king and queen and their court. Nowadays, a
similar role is played by stand-up comedians and Keanu Reeves. The
Beatles sang about "The Fool On The Hill," who by the lyrics finds that
if he stays on the hill, a metaphor for away, or overlooking, he gets
along with the people better. The people believe him a fool, and it has
become his identification gadget. The fool understands the way the
world turns, yet no one else does and they call him an idiot for his
correct opinion.

Now you know what a fool is and you can go impress your friends.

David V.

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Jun 7, 2005, 12:45:36 PM6/7/05
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No one cares since they know the only thing you can unleash is
your mouth.

SCARECROW

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David V. wrote:
>
> No one cares since they know the only thing you can unleash is
> your mouth.

As opposed to you, who can make great big purple dinosaurs walk out of
your enemy's screens that wreak some sadistic hell, right?

Third Mall from the Sun

You're a fucking retard. This is USENET where the spoken expression is
core, instead of some network you are imagining where the terror of
violence and the threat of the terror of violence are rewarded with
chocolate-chip cookies.

SCARECROW

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David V. wrote:

> No one cares since they know the only thing you can unleash is
> your mouth.

As opposed to you, who assault others by the offensiveness of your
posture and the unaestheticness of your knuckles dragging on the
ground.

Message has been deleted

Brad Guth

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Dear all-knowing SCARECROW,
Wow, what an impressive MI6/NSA spook name. Can I have a nifty MI6/NSA
cloak and dagger code name, such as 'NUMNUTS' or perhaps 'LORDALMIGHTY'
or just 'JESUSCHRIST'?

Perhaps if common folks (obviously scum of the Earth within your code
book) are having a look-see at this topic, they'll take notice of what
a worthless scumbag of remorseless sorry souls yourself and the likes
of OM are.

BTW; Why the heck are you responding on behalf of incest cloned Borg
OM?

Since you've asked; My honest notion of what an incest cloned borg
amounts to is hardly worth much of anything, especially since a borg
that isn't individually worth squat is what's intellectually less
important to humanity than the intellectual crapolla space-toilet that
it's continually residing within. Such borgs are either so dumbfounded
and/or status quo mainstream or bust programmed that there's no
possible way of our communicating through a given topic without having
to deal with such absolute crapolla worth of their incest mindset.

An incest cloned borg is a rather unfortunate DNA/RNA mutation of an
individual, in that regardless of the evidence and/or consequences will
only speek from their Koran or whatever bible suits his/her religious
cultism. Whereas our resident warlord hides his borgism of ulterior
motives and hidden agendas behind the bloody cloak of Jesus Christ and
that of his own faith-based weaponry. If that WW-III worthy situation
isn't pathetic, then I don't don't know what is.

If conditional physics, soft-science, evidence exclusions and
disinformation-R-us is what the borg butt and pecker brain has to
functions upon, then our very own educational 'high standards and
accountability' of our nifty 'so what's the difference' policy needs to
be reapplied whenever I'm returning the favor. Fortunately, such borgs
are 100+% expendables and their opinions need not be counted upon any
more so than our resident warlord counts the dead and/or soon to be
dead Muslims and of so many other perfectly innocent folks that his
been provoked and subsequently contributed by way of his fair share of
sustaining our perpetrated cold-war, and especially of what his energy
sucking dog-wagging agenda has created and remains as focused upon
sustaining.

This original topic of * What's so HOT and NASTY about Venus * is
certainly remaining as intellectually as will as geologically hot and
nasty, as well as continually receiving the usual likes of OM's
mainstream status quo flak. Of otherwise I'm mostly receiving
whatever's restricted to and/or orchestrated by your mainstream
disinformation that's entirely faith-based bigoted intellectual
flatulence. Until reciently, as of prior to 2001, I guess that I didn't
realize borgs could even fart. Though obviously since you can't allow a
borg to have an actual brain, thus only butt and pecker implanted borg
brains are to be expected.

Obviously, since your 'Skull and Bones' box and status quo within has
to remain so entirely chuck full of itself, lo and behold it's fairly
simple to understand why on Earth your incest cloned borg collective
can't manage to better educate nor otherwise defend your pagan
God(MI6/NSA NASA/Apollo) and of it's 'so what's the difference'
commander and chief village idiot and resident warlord(GW Bush), as for
supporting your A-No.1 moron that's so pathetically arrogant and stupid
that a Walmart grenade doesn't even bother to explode seems par for the
corse. That's actually pretty bad when inadament objects fail to
respond as directed, meaning that the world apparently needs more
reliable and more lethal grenades, plus all of those nifty 'made in
America' land-mines.

Now I have a complex question;
What sorts of all-knowing NASA/Apollo conditional laws of physics is
still able to exclude upon all other forms of life (including those of
smart-ass bridge building ETs and their massive complex community as
having that rather sizable tarmac) as having been situated in plain
sight upon Venus?

It seems that it's quite a bit easier to idenity upon these Venus
structures and even of the substantial 'fluid arch' than it's been for
blowing 5+ trillions upon identifying WMD or the likes of having to
locate Osama bin Laden. Oddly, if the regular laws of physics are
applied on behalf of Venus is where it's entirely possible that ETs or
perhaps original life has been involved, yet the likes of 'OM' remain
as focused upon delivering as much mainstream damage-control, spin,
hype and evidence exclusions that'll support only their perpetrated
cold-war and of their NASA/Apollo sting of the century.

If not for contemplating the extreme but technically surmountable
conditions of what Venus has to offer, then how about at least sharing
nothing but the truth on behalf of dealing with our mostly dark basalt
plus otherwise golden-dark titanium, carbon and iron deposited and thus
extremely dusty and reactive moon as due to it's having such slight
atmosphere, which seems to beg for a robotic deployment of
something/anything that'll remain as providing hard-science the sorts
of interactive feedback for the open scientific communities to work
with.

A couple of leads to X-ray Astronomy
http://www-xray.ast.cam.ac.uk/~rjhd2/X-ray/History.html
http://www.physlink.com/News/081903EarthXrays.cfm
When an x-ray photon hits the atmosphere of Mars or Venus, it is
absorbed by an atom--then re-emitted. Every few seconds there's a tiny
flash of x-radiation caused by this process, called "fluorescence." The
moon sparkles, too, although it has no atmosphere. There the
fluorescence takes place on the ground.

http://www.astronomycafe.net/wpstorms.html
Major solar flares can deliver from 100 to several thousand rems in a
few hours or days for an astronaut inside a spacesuit. That would lead
to radiation sickness, and in extreme cases, death. Space station
construction workers caught off-guard during even minor flares would be
grounded for several years after such an encounter.

Observers do know very well that periods of high sunspot activity
produce a much greater volume of "solar wind," the spray of atomic
nuclei, electrons and other particles that are blown off the sun's
surface at about 1 million mph and eventually arrive at Earth.

Ordinarily, the wind isn't very strong, averaging about 80 particles
per cubic inch. Every few weeks or so during peak years of solar
activity, the sun hurls clouds of particles into space. These can
double or triple the density of the solar wind near Earth for hours or
days.
-

Of course there are nearly continual burst of minor solar spikes and
flares as recorded my SOHO, TRACE and from several other variations of
instruments capable of noticing and recording of what our sol is
offering as worth several rem/hr, whereas this solar quiet potential of
whatever's soft-X-ray and hard-X-ray contributing dosage is based
entirely upon being nowhere near the reactive moon itself, and as for
the solar winds that are often below 300 km/s are also capable of
offering that extra 1e7~1e8/m3 submicron dosage of solar particle flak
at 600 km/s up to a few 1,200 km/s surge events has been of what's in
addition to the existing thin atmosphere of 1e9 to 1e12 atoms/m3 that's
situated just below the shielding benefit and thus buffering expanse of
such TBI moderation, that is ever since the Van Allen belts are of
what's taking the vast brunt of whatever sol and cosmic sources has
enstore for our satellites, as well as for saving our butts from near
certain mutations if not extinction. Unfortunately, our nearly naked
moon has darn little atmosphere and no apparent Van Allen buffer zone,
and upon further appreciating that topic here's a little more of what
the new-guard of NASA has to say about space radiation that's
essentially their own data that's based upon what satellites need to
endure while being physically shielded by mother Earth half the time,
plus otherwise per primarily shielded under the vast expanse of the Van
Allen zone of death:
http://conxproject.gsfc.nasa.gov/radiation/docs/con_x_dose1.pdf

Of course if your Dr. Van Allen or even Kodak physics-101 would care to
contribute such badly needed hard-science data that's perfectly capable
of entirely discounting space radiation and of whatever's
reactive-based as having been created from secondary/recoil photons as
being insignificant and/or non-important, as that I'd be glad to learn
from and as for revising and thus retracting what I've previously
believed was the case. Nothing could be better for establishing the
LSE-CM/ISS than a sun that's mostly passive and a nonreactive moon that
has hardly any accumulations of raw elements, hosting a clumping and
thereby nearly 'portland cement dust-free and user-friendly environment
couldn't be better for what I've been promoting as our best way of
pillaging our moon for the likes of obtaining He3 plus extracting
whatever other nifty morgue worth of terrific accumulations that's
literally out of this world.

The matter of fact that certain satellite radiation recorded data has
been systematically stripped and/or moderated away from public view,
including the most recent SMART-1 mission is certainly of no surprise,
whereas such freedom of scientific information would have nailed down
the perpetrated cold-war and the NASA/Apollo sting of the century.
However, as a result of such extreme space radiation is why circuitry
is generally configured so as to survive within a tolerance as great as
365,000 rem/year so that not so much (typically as little as 2g/cm2)
shielding need be applied, whereas human DNA/RNA red-lines at roughly
50 rem/year unless steroids and other medications are applied and/or
there's a cash of banked bone marrow standing by in case several
hundred rads or rems are encountered. Fortunately, not all forms of
radiation is difficult to shield, but it's the shield itself that's
responsible for some of the worst forms of radiation becoming
hard-X-rays. Aluminum is not as dense as the average surface rock and
other mineral deposits upon the moon, thus the moon surface is simply
way more reactive than any aluminum shielded spacecraft.

Our moon isn't insurmountable, it's just downright testy and
potentially lethal via solar illumination and, via earthshine is
certainly a whole lot TBI safer although it's obviously wide open to
whatever's coming along at 30+km/s, plus otherwise testy from
whatever's getting attracted by the 1.623 m/s/s worth of gravity is
somewhat adding insult to injury since there such a slight amount of
atmosphere, whereas even the 0.03 psi as regarded by 'tj Frazir' isn't
sufficient for moderating the final impact velocity contributed by the
typical sort of meteorite density that's most likely offered by the
vast bulk of what's continually arriving. Thus lunar impacts are lethal
to being anywhere in the vicinity of such events unless the meters deep
moon-dust manages to absorb all of the horrific kinetic energy. Though
again it's too bad that we still have absolutely nothing interactive
with sharing such real-time and as-is lunar environment information,
thus physics and honestly subjective speculations are all that we have
at our disposal that isn't soft-science and/or conditional physics as
imposed by the NASA/Apollo ruse.

So, please feel free as to submit whatever's of hard-science as opposed
to our NASA/Apollo bogus-science that'll prove otherwise. It's called
'put up or shut up'.
~
BTW; I've noticed how your MI6/NSA GOOGLE V-CHIP has been modifying my
following links

My GUTH Venus township, bridge & the ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv­town.htm
China/Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)


http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lu­nar-space-elevator.htm
A few other hot and testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv­topics.htm

Brad Guth

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Here's the extra proof positive that this forum absolutely sucks. Since
the previous links were intentionally corrupted by MI6/NSA spooks,
perhaps these will get posted as is.

This is my GUTH Venus township, bridge & the ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv­town.htm

The China/Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lu­nar-space-elevator.htm

And those few other hot and testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv­topics.htm

Brad Guth

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Jun 7, 2005, 3:28:06 PM6/7/05
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Third time's the charm,
Here's even more of the extra proof positive that this forum absolutely
sucks mainstreamism or bust. Since the previous links were
intentionally corrupted by MI6/NSA spooks, as well as per those I'd
attempted ot correct, therefore perhaps these will get posted as is. If
not I'll give other links and post those in at least a hundered other
topics throughout a good dozen or more of these GOOGLE hosted forums
that suck.

This was my GUTH Venus township, bridge & the ET Park-n-Ride tarmac
link:
use whatever www. or the usual 'http://' prefix for
guthvenus.tripod.com/gv­town.htm

The link for China/Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
use www. or the usual 'http://' prefix for
guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm

And of those few other hot and testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
using www. or the usual 'http://' prefix for getting into
guthvenus.tripod.com/gv­topics.htm

the reverse psycholog major @ bawston school for idiots

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David V. wrote:

... bothing as far as i can see. she sucked me of as i shat on serena.

b

David V.

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SCARECROW wrote:
>
> David V. wrote:
>
>> No one cares since they know the only thing you can unleash
>> is your mouth.
>
> As opposed to you

No, there is no opposed to me. Sorry, you must have me confused
with someone that cares.

Brad Guth

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In spite of being hot and nasty, terraforming Venus to our liking is
perhaps easier accomplished than said. Taking the likes of Sedna being
worth perhaps 1800 km and of that item being roughly 50% ice should do
the trick, by way of simply giving that icy orb a few terawatts worth
of push in the right direction at the right timing and low and behold,
if all goes according to Plan-A we'll have established a moon like
delivery of much needed ice and other substances (including all sorts
of interesting DNA) into orbiting if not summarily smashing itself into
Venus. Of course the litigation coming from the Venusians should keep
us busy saving our sorry butts for the next thousand or so years but
"so what's the difference", as none the less Venus would have become a
bit cooler and hosting a great deal more free O2 to work with, thus
whatever hadn't previously been damaged by the relatively clean
geothermal heat would now start to badly corrode and/or burn as in hell
since it takes O2 for making such happen.

The as is environment of Venus may in fact cause you and your brain to
profusely sweat. However, unlike Earth getting itself polluted and
globally warmed to death due to our artificially imposed drop in our
albedo, at least upon Venus there's been a good deal of reflective
albedo and no apparent shortage of local spare energy that's 100%
renewable for the task of CO2-->CO/O2 and, I'd suppose lots of air
conditioning wouldn't hurt. Structural composites of basalt/silica
shouldn't have any problem accommodating R-1024/meter, thus once
cooling things down and as per keeping your abode cool shouldn't be all
that insurmountable if having less than 0.1% VTUs(Venus Thermal Units)
of a mostly conductive thermal transfer mode to deal with, that is
unless you're parked next to an active lava flow.

As far as hard-science and the regular laws of physics tend to go, we
seem to realize that the planet Venus offers a somewhat geologically
newer than Earth environment, though possibly as having been
restarted/reset after an unfortunate deflection off something large and
soft like Jupiter or simply recovering from the rather testy reentry
phase of getting settled into our solar system. This seems especially
true ever since having developed the 85~90% albedo represents that only
a slight amount of solar energy arrives into the lower atmosphere,
whereas much less of that solar influx saturates the geologically
active and thus energy venting and radiating surface.

We also have the well established matter of hard-science fact that team
KECK and several others have since recorded more IR energy leaving the
Venus season of nighttime than having been solar contributed into the
season of daytime plus whatever the retrograde worth of the thick
atmosphere sheds is measurably greater than the solar influx, that plus
discovering a rather significant layer of ionized O2 covering a good
portion of the nighttime season of Venus. All of this remains in
addition to and without question a valid confirmation as to the extent
of craters having been contributed prior to Venus establishing such an
extensive geothermal and subsequent outgassing accumulation worth of
such a thick-atmospheric phase because, there's no freaking mad-science
or even conditional-physics conjecture way that such meteors had
sufficient kinetic energy and/or substance remaining upon getting
through better than 200 km and 100 Bar worth of such a deep and thick
atmospheric density of mostly CO2 and S8, at least not to the extent
that would have accommodated the degree of final impact velocity for
creating such noticeable depressions, as having been quite well
recorded by several missions as craters having an Earth like reentry
and resulting impact.

Earth doesn't have 1% the atmospheric buffer zone and we're obviously a
larger and more gravity attractive target than Venus, yet it seems
we've got somewhat fewer than our fair share of craters per 1000 km2 or
per whatever given area. Perhaps it's because Earth didn't have to
migrate itself away from one complex star system as having a rather
massive Oort zone gauntlet, over into our individual solar system
having a somewhat sparse Oort zone gauntlet. I also find it unlikely
the shards of displaced moon ice simply didn't manage to survive in
sufficient volume, mass and density as to those contributing a
significant number of smaller craters and oceans of water upon Earth.
If Earth had been impacted by the sorts of solid (non-ice of 8+g/cm3)
meteors capable of delivering their mass and core density through the
thick soup of the Venus atmosphere, as such Earth would have been
devastated far beyond what we've noticed. A meteor that created the
Venus Mead impression of 280 km would have been at least ten fold more
so impressive upon impacting Earth, whereas the relatively minor
impressions of less than 60 km are the terrestrial norm for Earth, with
the massive Chicxulub 180 km contribution representing about all that
mother Earth seems to have been blessed with such a kiss of death from
receiving at most a 15 km meteor, although somewhat larger impressions
could certainly remain as hidden under an ocean or significant sea. Go
figure, since Mercury seems to host one of the largest craters of 1300
km, which stands to reason since the thin atmosphere of Mercury and
slight mass of attraction would have accommodated what's believed to
have been delivered by a 100 km meteor. Our moon hosting a massive 2100
km by 12+km deep impression (actually that's going to suggest at least
10 fold deeper if you'd care to attribute the missing sphere portion of
the moon) would have been a total global reset for the likes of Earth,
whereas even if that were from the remains of an Oort zone ice ball of
500 km (a volume of roughly 6.5e16 m3) as it impacted the moon is where
the displaced moon and meteor shards of ice and/or bedrock that wasn't
vaporised upon impact would easily have been capable of contributing
the sorts of 10~25 km moon and meteor fragments which would have likely
ended up as primarily getting collected by Earth unless, perhaps our
moon wasn't anywhere Earth at the time of such impacts.

If our moon were once upon a time that of an Oort zone icy covered rock
of 4000 km, as for having that item hosting a nearly solid basalt core
of 3476 km, such an icy coated item would certainly have taken the
brunt trama of whatever meteor impact forces by way of the surface ice
absorbing the vast majority of whatever meteors, although that
certainly would have given birth to a great deal of reasonably large
icy chunks that seemingly could have been loaded with all sorts of well
preserved DNA and/or seeds of life looking for the nearest gravity of
attraction before their icy environment vaporised into less than thin
air, along with all of whatever life within getting cosmic and solar
TBI to death and/or simply fried upon reentry.

BTW; an ice covered moon once losing it's layer of icy protection might
otherwise account for a compacted and/or thinner accumulation of their
clumping portland cement and cornmeal like surface, that which somehow
became chemically and/or cosmic altered so as to photograph as somewhat
retro-reflective spotty and thus entirely different (quite xenon lamp
illumination like spectrum to boot) as from the surface as opposed to
having been imaged as a fairly dark composite of golden/orange deposits
of titanium, iron and otherwise a very carbon dusty environment as
covering much of a nearly coal like and highly reactive basalt surface
as having been viewed and photographed from a much safer distance of
merely 100 km (3,844 times closer than viewed from Earth). I have many
examples to help folks review upon this interpretation of the Kodak
color truth and nothing but the truth.

With further regard to the topic of Venus;
There have been many US/Russian Venus missions, whereas the last and
best so far being the Magellan (NSA spy mission) which is now better
than 15 years old, therefore a modern day mission as planned by the
joint ESA/Russian Venus EXPRESS should likely obtain a great deal of
new and improved hard-science data, of at least 7.5 meter/pixel
resolution of multiple looks per pixel that could deliver as good as 16
bits/pixel, though even 1 meter resolution seems doable since our
Shuttle Endeavour/(STS-99 http://www.dransom.com/sts99.html) having
circumnavigated Earth 159 times at roughly 240 km accommodated the
mission of mapping Earth, having performed SAR imaging as interpreted
by their German team resolved 1.5 meter resolution (publicly viewable
resolution having been officially limited to 30 meters, though even
most of these files are off-limits due to the fact that half the world
wants nothing better than to kick our sorry butts). However, the same
technology applied to Venus from 200 km should accomplish the task of
1.25 meter resolution, although you'd have to consider 6 years after
the fact should have improved upon that radar imaging process.

NSSDC Photo Gallery Venus
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-venus.html
BTW; pay little or no attention to the false colors giving the added
illusion of Venus being purely hot and nasty. Extremely little of the
solar red spectrum even gets through those thick, reflective and
otherwise spectrum filtering clouds that tend to favor what's below 550
nm, nor is there hardly any cosmic or DNA harmful solar radiation to
deal with (it's actually safer on Venus than upon Earth, and much safer
yet because GW Bush is there).

NSSDC Image Catalog
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/group_page/VN.html

Mead Crater, Venus from Magellan cycle 1 offers a 280 km diameter
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115n060_1.html

Balch Crater, a rifted crater on Venus was originally 37 km in
diameter.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c130n279_1.html

Mona Lisa crater, Venus 86 km diameter multi-ring crater
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c130n027_1.html

Markham Crater, Venus and run-out flows and 75 km diameter impact
formed near the summit of a volcano.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c200n131_1.html

And it seems the numbers of significant craters goes on and on in spite
of the thick and dense atmospheric buffer zone that should have easily
deflected and/or moderated most all but of the density of nickel/iron
or perhaps platinum/iron meteorites, and even those sorts should have
landed nearby a given crater as nearly intact since the near surface
terminal velocity is so gosh darn sluggish.

Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, from Magellan Cycle 1 is where you'll
locate GUTH Venus unless you're blind.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/venus/interior/V_tectonism.html
the number of craters is roughly the same as that of the Earth at
present.
the number of craters suggests an age for the surface of Venus of not
more than 500 million years! (There are areas of Earth that are very
much older.)

Some related links of alternative image files and/or a few processed as
3D (false color) images.
http://www.etsimo.uniovi.es/solar/cap/venus/
http://pds-geosciences.wustl.edu/missions/magellan/index.html
http://www.seds.org/~spider/spider/dbishop/amesarch/magellan.html
http://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/PDS/public/magellan/midrcd_query.html
http://pds-geosciences.wustl.edu/geodata/mgn-v-rdrs-5-midr-full-res-v1/mg_0019/c115s095/
http://articles.roshd.ir/articles_folder/mohandesiScience/whe_spa/The%20Surface%20Features%20of%20Venus.htm

Here are a few somewhat more important images of another weird planet
where there's still no apparent signs of intelligent life, but
otherwise lots of interesting artificial contributions of collateral
damage by some mutated form of unintelligent life that can't ever be
allowed off the face of such a planet without the continuum chancing
total destruction of all other life throughout the entire universe.

High tide at Puerto Olalla
http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=11&Z=10&X=1336&Y=13130&W=1

Al's Grocery Store, gas station, postal box facility and fuel dock
http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=10&X=10691&Y=105042&W=1

Fortunately the image of my sleeper-cell location seems a bit outdated
and of entirely insufficient resolution (perhaps at best 0.25 m/pixel)
that can make out Osama bin Laden setting on my deck, in that the
available image also doesn't manage to include signs of my ICBMs, laser
cannons nor other WMD installations (disregard that bright spot near
the center as one of my laser calls headed for Venus). Of course this
makes my three dyslexic brain cells wonder all the more why the 1.5
meter and especially those of 30 meter/pixel radar images are being
excluded when al-Qaida has access to these Microsoft offerings of 0.3
m/pixel representations (still roughly a tenth as good as the actual
photographic grain) and, somehow our resident warlord having access to
at least this level of resolution managed to lose track of all those
supposedly certified Iraqi WMD.
http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=10&X=10610&Y=105033&W=3
~

This is about your basic Township, Bridge & Tarmac upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm


China/Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few alternate topics from wizard Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth

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There's further proof that SETI/OSETI/ETI are actually about as
anti-god as you can get. Thus no wonder such absolute bigots are
avoiding Venus and even our moon like the worst plague. So, here's a
little more of what's likely upsetting their mainstream boats hauling
all of that tax advodance loot to their offshore bank accounts.

Sungrazing comets and their scorching paths as covered in "Sky &
Telescope of August 2005" seems to be further suggesting the obvious
that we're not so nearly as alone nor as ever expanding as we'd been
informed by those having an vested interest in sucking up to the mostly
religious mainstream status quo that still sees nothing all that
improper with the blood and guts of humanity flowing as within their
good old days of exterminating the likes of Cathars.

Is it another joke as to how astronomy or of any associated field of
physics or science can't manage to contribute squat when there is such
pressure to continuity lie their intellectual LLPOF butts off, and/or
via topic banishments or exclusions that'll keep pretending that other
life doesn't coexist other than upon Earth?

I don't believe SETI/OSETI/ETI could possibly be any more
intellectually blind, as well as deaf and dumber than dumbfounded
bigots, and thus anti-god by way of their avoiding methods of
contacting via whatever methods might get humanity and ETs together.
Their usage of RF/microwave is offering about the least possible method
of detecting and/or contributing interplanetary communications as far
as ETs and most other forms of life are concerned. Sending off
micro-probes would have been a trillion fold better odds at getting a
message delivered and/or received. I mean to ask; using GW Bush as our
gold standard of intelligence, exactly how dumb and dumber are these
ETs?

Forcing false impressions upon humanity has been the norm of most
religion as well as per our MI5/NSA~NASA, as well as for whatever has
been working on behalf of SETI/OSETI/ETI and just about every other
publicly benefitted institution that's looking for their next round of
funding. Tax avoidance is their priority No.1 name of their game, as to
getting as much away from others and as to keeping as much within their
inner and upper most circle is the ultimate government approved pyramid
ruse/sting of the century.

Comets are actually rather interesting, in that they alone disprove the
religious imposed expansion theory. If everything was expanding,
obviously there simply wouldn't be any cycle of comets, only at most
one time encounters as they pass by on their way out from the supposed
BIG-BANG center. In fact, going by the status quo seems to suggest our
solar system should only be getting bigger, and a given moon would
never fall prey to the planet hosting them. Of course even a certified
village idiot should know for a matter of absolute fact that stuff the
likes of comets and even moons impact upon other planets and
meteors/comets and possibly a few planets fall into suns on a regular
basis.

A comet with a period of less than 200 years are those essentially
classified as short-period comets.
http://www.astronomynotes.com/solfluf/s8.htm
> The long period comets are far exceeding the 100,000 AU (Oort zone), thereby these long period comets may offer orbital periods that can be thousands to millions of years long.

http://www.worldalmanacforkids.com/explore/space/comet.html
> Comets have elliptical orbits, and the periods of about 200 comets --the time they take to orbit the sun once-- have been calculated. They range from 3.3 years for Encke's comet to 2000 years for Donati's Comet of 1858; Halley's comet has a period of 75-76 years. The orbits of most comets are vast and are probably ellipses of great eccentricity, with periods as long as 40,000 years or possibly much longer.

If we utilized a fairly modest 30 km/sec (0.01% LS) as for a given
comet interstellar velocity, and if we placed the Sirius outer Oort
zone at an average departing velocity in relationship to us of 30 km/s
as being 8.5 light years away from our Oort zone represents that 8.5 LY
* 1e4 = 8.5e4 (85,000) years just to get here if we weren't still
moving apart. Although, adding in a factor of -8 km/s for the present
rate of recession and for some amount of elliptical route we'd be safe
to suggest roughly 125 years each way. However, the vast expanse of
interstellar gauntlet or soup of the day isn't but a fraction of a
percent of what's collected within the realm of our solar system, that
plus the interstellar gravity-well that's obviously much closer to
Earth than Sirius still gives lots of space and time by which gravity
can easily accelerate sizable items in excess of 300 km/s while showing
little if any detectable optical trail of disturbance or other physical
loss due to the terminal velocity of space travel.

Of course along with the alignment of Sirius-b and possibly a Sirius-c
plus that of our largest planets might suggest the exit velocity of
getting away from Sirius could easily have been somewhat greater than
38 km/s, especially if that effort were induced by something other than
of similar objects cruising along in the same direction, such as that
of suggesting some ET involvement is perhaps asking a bit too much of
the religious and/or religious suck-up folks that would rather take
themselves and all others to an early grave believing that other and
smarter life simply doesn't exist outside of Earth, which certainly
more than fits their typically arrogant and bigoted history of causing
massive collateral damage and the carnage of the innocent into rather
miserably dying off than admitting any error in their faith or the
faith in others we'd dare not cross. Fortunately, my god isn't nearly
as retarded and bigoted as the pagan god(s) others have chosen to
believe in, such as their energy god of oil is their most recent
terrestrial blood thirsty god that has become most important and
apparently where the all-knowing wisdom of such is devinly channeled
via flatulence through the holy butt-cheeks of our resident warlord(GW
Bush).

Obviously at several times within the past is when we've been situated
extremely close to the Sirius star system, thus whatever the time-line
of getting the likes of a newer planet and/or moon like items to/from
these two closely associated solar systems was greatly improved upon.
Since the mainstream is opposing this notion without remorse, it's
clear that I'm sufficiently right on target with a few balls as getting
delivered via my lose cannons.

However, disregarding certain intellectual flatulence via the
butt-cheeks of the status quo, it seems that Halley's comet looks as
though it extends out to a diameter of 450,000 km, but that horrific
display could represent as little as a 450 km worth of hard/solid core
of object(s) that's responsible for what we see as the terminal
velocity that's producing the 30 some odd million kilometer tail. The
suggested velocity of 100 km/s as passing Earth and of reaching 150
km/s as it passed our sun gives good reason to appreciate what the
affect of gravity upon items traveling that fast is capable of
disturbing their surrounding density, creating a interstellar tsunami
wave in addition to the visual head and trail which we perceive as
physical substance but really isn't.

The likes of Pluto and even it's moon have been regarded as Kuiper belt
comets of 4.75 km/s. However, even our moon can be just as easily
defined as once upon a time being a potential Oort zone planetoid
having become a low speed comet, though currently associated with Earth
is where it's meager 30 km/s rate of travel has been moderated by the
gravitational association with Earth, whereas even our moon having
produced a 950,000 km tail of mostly sodium atoms is due to the factors
of lunar gravity being sufficient as to hold onto a good number of
other heavier elements that are not so easily excavated away by the
solar winds that can reach 1200 km/s, though of receiving fewer
comet/meteor impacts and of solar winds that are generally of 300 km/s
or less is what keeps us from detecting much of a comet like tail, that
plus our polluted atmosphere makes for terrestrial observations
somewhat limited. Too bad our spendy ISS still hasn't applied an
exterior camera what would have been more than capable of recording
such as of a decade ago, nor having the applied camera technology as of
the NASA/Apollo fiasco would have accommodated considerable insights
into moon-science as well as Earth-science.

It's too bad that anything related to our moon remains as cold-war
taboo/nondisclosure, like their "Chapel Bell" phase of deploying
S-Band-->microwave transponders within the Earth/moon gravity-well
(ME-L1/EM-L2).

Obviously the purely religious based theory of a singular expansion has
been blown to shreds by way of realizing the numbers of stars, star
systems and even a few solar systems within our galaxy headed our way,
some arriving by as much as 54 km/s and being only 65 LY away isn't so
insignificant when we can further count on the current recession of our
solar system that been traveling us away form Sirius turning around and
making perhaps 15+ km/s heading us right back towards Sirius.

An amount of galactic recession may be the norm for a given human
perception of a cosmic center, however our methods of suggesting upon
any such cosmic center and of measuring such vast distances is far from
being realized as the truth and nothing but the truth. The notion of
65~6500 km/s upon average what's been suggested as the ongoing rate of
expansion is not all there is to being said. However, it seems as
though not all galaxies are moving away from one another because of
numerous interactions having taken place proves that a central origin
of expansion is not the case, but religious cults like the Catholic and
Jewish methods of insisting their one and only god is the one and only
origin of all there is is somewhat sucking at physics-101, not to
mention there's no hard-science backing a singular BIG-BANG other than
the near future demise of such intellectually bigoted religions cults
imploding upon one another should cause a detectable bang.

Absolutely nothing within our solar system is staying the same, equally
for the other stars, star systems, their planets and moons of what
makes up the Milky Way are continually on the move, cycling out and
returning inward on at least a grand 225 million year time-line along
with lots within our neighborhood happening on a much shorter time-line
as suggested by the 105,000 year cycle with Sirius by which I've pegged
that cycle to the recorded levels of CO2 having been establish back
through 750,000 years worth of what's happening to our environment.
Clearly some galaxies have crossed to point of no-return as they've
headed for their demise because of having a woeful lack of expansion,
although from our limited perspective it seems as though most but not
all such items are getting further away (lucky us).

However, the mainstream that's actually about as anti-god as you can
get is seemingly chuck full of little and big Hitlers, whereas this
internet of forums that suck and of their clear intent as to rape,
pillage and plunder humanity for all it's worth is more than proof
positive that others and I'm right, as otherwise why would my PC be
continually under attack for what I'm having to share? Why would my
efforts to post topics and to offer contributions be continually
stalked and wherever possible having the context modified and/or
corrupted so that others are not allowed a fair shot of comprehending
upon my perceptions of the truth and nothing but the truth?

Only the likes of Hitler or far worse (false gods) would ever be so
involved with making the task of sharing information as difficult as
possible if not impossible for the truth to being told. As otherwise
from such free and open sharing of ideas, science and whatever
discoveries there's nothing but an absolute win-win for our souls, for
humanity and the very salvation of Earth that's to behold. To block
such talent and to continually waste other talents and resources upon
sustaining the status quo is anything but godly. Thus there's good
reason for the status quo to avoid whatever's situated on our moon and
even more so as for avoiding Venus. Evidence exclusions is what's
working the majority of their smoke and mirrors as of lately, the same
smoke and mirrors that's hiding all of those WMD and the fact that
we're currently steeling and/or planning upon steeling their oil.

Some additional references and credits
THE 48 BRIGHTEST STARS
http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/bright.html

Flaws in the Big Bang Point to GENESIS
http://www.orionfdn.org/papers/arxiv-9.htm

Galaxies II: distances, clusters etc
http://www.physics.carleton.ca/~watson/LinR_course/galaxies/galacticrecession2.html
~

The GUTH Venus Township, Bridge and ET Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few extra somewhat testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth

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Jul 5, 2005, 5:06:35 PM7/5/05
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What's published officially and via NASA certified about Venus is a
pack of lies upon lies based almost entirely upon evidence exclusions,
exactly like how our perpetrated cold-war(s) have skewed the truths
about our moon into the nearest space-toilet, and as to how our warm
and fuzzy resident warlord(GW Bush) has gotten away with his LLPOF
incest mindset, to the unfortunate demise of humanity and especially
upon thousands of perfectly innocent Islamic and Muslim folks that
wouldn't hurt a fly.

Brother, and so help me God; talk about mainstream Western/KKK,
Catholic and Jewish style religion(s) going absolutely postal, almost
as bad off as what a couple of Popes did to Cathars that weren't hiding
any WMD either, or even sitting on oily rocks.
~

This is about my basic Township, Bridge & Tarmac upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm


China/Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few alternative topics from wizard Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Art Deco

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Jul 5, 2005, 6:18:19 PM7/5/05
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In article <1120597595.3...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

No evidence for today's rant, Guthball. No surprise there, really.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler

"It's less a process of "convertion" it's about the reality of matter and
energy (all 8 [!] kinds of matter) ... and yes, that's how "they do it".
We {aliens} call it phase-tuning or simply phase-ing.
And no, you will have to find it out all by yourself. And yes, we
{aliens} will make sure your technical advancement will no longer be
faster than your spiritual one ... we'd rather let you perish on this
planet. That's a promise, you monkey-fu*kers.
HTH.
C."
-- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne's award-winning alien technology

"That's what you expect from people who think that the
cyberworld isn't "RL"."
-- Dr. David Tholen, Psychic Astrologer

Brad Guth

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Jul 5, 2005, 8:28:12 PM7/5/05
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That's the point; "no evidence" where there's been absolute loads of
hard-science evidence to go around and around, that is if you weren't
such a pro-WMD bigoted all-knowing perverted bastard from hell, and
thus extremely narrow butt-cheek mandset blinded from the truth.

Perhaps The New York Times, Newsweek and The Washington Post should
also front-page quote all of your MI5/NSA cloak and dagger
contributions, at least that way honest folks could better potty train
their puppies and cats, or spruce up their bird cages in good bigotry
of anti-God, anti-ET and anti-truth form and style.

^The Commentator^

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Brad Guth wrote:

> That's the point; "no evidence" where there's been absolute loads of
> hard-science evidence to go around and around, that is if you weren't
> such a pro-WMD bigoted all-knowing perverted bastard from hell, and
> thus extremely narrow butt-cheek mandset blinded from the truth.
>
> Perhaps The New York Times, Newsweek and The Washington Post should
> also front-page quote all of your MI5/NSA cloak and dagger
> contributions, at least that way honest folks could better potty train
> their puppies and cats, or spruce up their bird cages in good bigotry
> of anti-God, anti-ET and anti-truth form and style.
> ~
>

I notice with great interest that you have again failed to demonstrate a
single claim you have made.

Bookman

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Jul 6, 2005, 12:08:36 AM7/6/05
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Isn't he funny that way? He keeps talking about all the "evidence
there is 'supporting his k'lame', but all he ever presents are
froth-laden ko0kscreeds. Imagine that. Well, that and his
tendency to babble about his "New York Times, Newsweek, The Washington
Post + MI5/NSA cloak and dagger" paranoia-driven hallucinations.

But then, ko0ks never could prove their ko0ky k'lames, and that
inability drives them nuts, which inflames them to poast even more
ko0ky k'lames. Vicious cycle.

The other funny thing is how ko0ks like our borggy little Brad, here,
are so touchy about their pet theories. They just roll in and expect
to be taken seriously from 'go', and any little criticism sends them
throught the roof. Has der Goofball met mit der stonehead Ed, by
any chance? The similarities are striking!

ESL!

--
Bookman -The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in AFA-B
Kazoo Konspirator #668 (The Neighbor of the Beast)
Clue-Bat Wrangler
Keeper of the Nickname Lists
Despotic Kookologist of the New World Order
"I'd love to kill you in a ring" - Bartmo gets all touchy-feely
"****SPV....... So yes I am an idiot."
http://www.insurgent.org/~kook苯aq/afa-b/
http://www.insurgent.org/~kook苯aq/afa-b/index.html

David V.

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Jul 6, 2005, 2:00:50 AM7/6/05
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Bookman wrote:
> .... Isn't he funny that way? He keeps talking about all the
> "evidence there is 'supporting his k'lame', but all he ever
> presents are froth-laden ko0kscreeds. Imagine that. Well,
> that and his tendency to babble about his "New York Times,
> Newsweek, The Washington Post + MI5/NSA cloak and dagger"
> paranoia-driven hallucinations.

That's why I put the fool in my killfile. It is not possible to
have an intelligent conversation with the kook. He should be
nominated for Kook of the Year. He's earned it.

^The Commentator^

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Jul 6, 2005, 3:40:45 AM7/6/05
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Bookman wrote:

I think a meeting between Rockhead Ed and Guthball would result in a huge
explosion at the least, and perhaps the end of the universe as we know it at
worst. I think we should arrange an introduction!

^The Commentator^

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Jul 6, 2005, 3:41:05 AM7/6/05
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"David V." wrote:

Seconded! ;-)


Brad Guth

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Jul 6, 2005, 3:24:40 PM7/6/05
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I've already supplied loads of sufficient evidence ten, a hundred and
perhaps a thousand fold.

This is what I've given to Chris a few times;
Most of old and new politics, science and even into physics is deeply
rooted in religious cultism, thus the truth is only whatever the going
religion of the day will permit as being shared, that is as long as
whatever evidence to the contrary can be continually excluded.

There have been thousands of such examples where we've been snookered
(a few too many having been snookered to death) if not entirely lied to
from the very get-go. So much so that a full listing of such
snookerings and disinformation-R-us of infomercials being continually
delivered by these all-knowing rusemasters would likely overload their
own usenet collective.

I've tried to share the truth about our moon, Venus and the Sirius star
system. Lo and behold, it's been clear for the past 5 years that I'm
being either stalked and bashed and/or summarily banished for sharing
the honest matter of facts and upon the best truth that's available.
Even my honest observationology has been getting their mainstream
status quo flak to boot.

Why not focus your good talents and limited resources, plus whatever of
those of your friends upon the other more so nearby planet where life
via creation, terraforming and/or evolution may have been emerging
and/or having merely accommodated those ETs as having been involved.
I'm thinking that because of the vast amounts of easily accessible raw
elements along with the clean and free/renewable energy as upon Venus
is way more than sufficient cause for alarm, or perhaps didn't you get
my observational drift as extracted from that rather interesting
official NASA/Magellan image of what still looks most likely as
artificial out of all that's perfectly natural, as to exactly what a
large scale Venus township should be as if such ETs were those somewhat
on the large scale and perhaps exoskeletal types that I wouldn't
exactly expect to be having high-tea with such folks any time soon.

Oiginal and official Magellan image:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif

The small portion of what's most interesting represents less than 10%
of this very official Magellan image, depicting that of a highly
mountainous and thus elevated (possibly 5+km) terrain that's depicted
as situated roughly less than a third of the way up from the bottom and
just to the right of center, although I'd keep advising that you should
first study throughout the entire image as is, in order to get an
observational learning-curve grip upon what the 12 looks/pixel as
having 8-bits worth of what this Magellan/SAR image has to offer. This
composite image was obtained at a 43° perspective view of radar
illuminating and thus allowing a nearly 3D like presentation of the
Venus surface, whereas at the 1:1 pixel resolution is quite a large
scale representation at roughly 225 meters/pixel, but try not to let
such a grand scale of that resolution fool whatever's left of your
brain until after having a good overall look-see before focusing those
few brain cell upon what's just outside the box, such as upon the
relatively small portion of this image that I'd very much like your
best efforts at photo polishing to whatever the best and honest level
that yourself and that of your latest PhotoShop applied efforts can
accomplish. Then we should share and compare images and further talk
about any number of specifics, even of what our God has allowed to
coexist or perhaps not upon Venus is perfectly OK.

Instead of your having to process upon the entire image, try first
cropping out this small area as is (thereby extracting as little as 5%
of the entire image) and at first try resampling that portion at not
more than 3X, meaning this would offer the 3X enlarged cropped image
with having 9 times as many pixels for your brain and PhotoShop to work
with. Then using the biological as well as software unsharp-mask along
with a few other nifty image filtering process and viable enhancements
steps should start to accomplish at least as good if not somewhat
better end-results than what I've managed, though somewhat easier said
than done at first unless you're near expert with the likes of
PhotoShop software. There are somewhat free photo-software solutions
that'll do perhaps 75%~90% as good as those programs costing several
hundred dollars, and there are a few trial versions of the very best
PhotoShop that simply can't be saved to a file, but otherwise viewed as
is that'll knock your socks off.

Such Photoshop processed images are not providing the sorts of AI
run-amuck distortions as having been continually argued to death by the
intellectual and godless bigots that you and I know have existed in the
highest of places. You can always retain the original and of the
unmodified 1:1 cropped image and restart the process as many times as
you'd care to apply variations of PhotoShop methods. Fortunately, the
area in question isn't even an overlapping portion of the overall
Magellan imaging process, so there's darn little but the original 12
looks/pixel of proof-positive as to what's to be seen, obviously
humanly and thus subjectively interpreted as to the best of our
abilities, whereas I'm perfectly certain that your interpretations are
going to become different than mine, but that's also perfectly right as
it should be.

If a planet such as Venus were discovered as of to day, thus without
all of the disinformation infomercials of hype and spin that suits the
mainstream status quo, whereas having the degree of observation and
radar imaging resolution and via so many other highly qualified
scientific instruments available, including those interactive robotic
instruments which today would quite easily survive the somewhat
geothermal toasty but otherwise relatively bone dry and thus
noncorrosive surface environment, in every scientific sense of what
there is to being viewed upon and realized within some degree of
certainty and/or of what's yet to discovered about Venus would have to
include the strong likelihood of that toasty environment accommodating
other life, as making a tough but surmountable go of it. This other
life need not be of human or even that of a Venus origin, whereas
visiting ETs could quite easily be having established their home away
from home as being well formulated upon surviving the likes of Venus,
accomplishing such a task for the very exact same reasons that
eventually we'll be walking upon Mars and eventually soon thereafter
walking upon and perhaps surviving within hollow rilles and/or within
geode pockets of our own moon that's otherwise so much more complex as
to getting ourselves onto and as per having to survive other than via
earthshine, whereas even the earthshine lunar environment is worse off
than Mars by day.

^The Commentator^

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Jul 6, 2005, 5:00:59 PM7/6/05
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Brad Guth wrote:

The only evidence you have supplied, guthball, is that you are a complete
k00k.

They are not laughing with you, guthball.


Brad Guth

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Jul 6, 2005, 6:47:11 PM7/6/05
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As usual, your typical zilch. nada, nothing worth of on-topic
contribution proves to all of us supposed village idiots that you are
the MI5/NSA spook and otherwise incest cloned and brown-nosed borgs
that you are. I suppose that you're also Jewish or otherwise KKK worthy
but too ashamed to admit it. I guess, apparently the world needs
infomercial pimps, hores and the assortments of perverted stalkers and
perpetrators of phony baloney cold-war(s) and so much worse, as
otherwise how would we ever learn and appreciate of what hell upon
Earth is like?

Art Deco

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Jul 6, 2005, 7:44:39 PM7/6/05
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Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

How illuminating, Guthball is also an anti-semitic nazi.

^The Commentator^

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Jul 6, 2005, 8:05:27 PM7/6/05
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Brad Guth wrote:

> As usual, your typical zilch. nada, nothing worth of on-topic
> contribution proves to all of us supposed village idiots that you are
> the MI5/NSA spook and otherwise incest cloned and brown-nosed borgs
> that you are. I suppose that you're also Jewish or otherwise KKK worthy
> but too ashamed to admit it. I guess, apparently the world needs
> infomercial pimps, hores and the assortments of perverted stalkers and
> perpetrators of phony baloney cold-war(s) and so much worse, as
> otherwise how would we ever learn and appreciate of what hell upon
> Earth is like?
> ~

You ARE the topic, guthball, so any comment as to your k00kery is totally
on topic.

You have no idea where you are crossposting do you?

Bookman

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Jul 6, 2005, 9:36:13 PM7/6/05
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On 6 Jul 2005 12:24:40 -0700, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I've already supplied loads of sufficient evidence ten, a hundred and
>perhaps a thousand fold.

Really?

<Snip of paranoid rambling, discussion of manufacturing fraudulent
'evidence' with Photoshop, and unsupported speculation, leaving only
facts>

>http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif

Here's a free clue: That's not "sufficient evidence" to 'prove' your
k'lames, Guthy.

Have you ever met Ed Conrad?

Pat Flannery

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Jul 7, 2005, 2:42:43 AM7/7/05
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^The Commentator^ wrote:

>>
>>....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
>>ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
>>the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
>>
>>
>
>Seconded! ;-)
>
>

Remember how Carl said the oil fires in Kuwait would take three to six
years to extinguish and would cause a Nuclear Winter effect from their
smoke? Ah yes, Carl's dread Nuclear Winter from all the smoke from the
burning cities- they checked that out also- the firestorms from the
nuclear attacks are extremely efficient incinerators, and what comes
out the top of them is fine ash, not sooty smoke.
The increase in global CO2 might actually warm things up some. Leave it
to the reefer man to find something bad about nuclear war that doesn't
exist, when there is so much bad about it that does. :-)

Pat

Brad Guth

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Jul 7, 2005, 1:28:57 PM7/7/05
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My dear lord and rusemaster Bookman,
Sorry that I've not met your good buddy and partner in crimes against
humanity ED Conrad. Why, is he another all-knowing incest cloned bigot
lover and Muslim exterminating LLPOF via evidence excluding SOB like
yourself?

BTW; the most advanced PhotoShop that's functioning just fine and dandy
that's situated within my three remaining brain-cell head still beats
anything I've seen, and I believe that includes your NIMA.MIL that
supposedly had all of those horrific WMD spotted and nailed down on
behalf of our bigots-R-us resident warlord(GW Bush).

Others have processed the living crapolla out of that official Magellan
image and accomplished better results than my outdated PhotoShop
efforts, whereas that's a bloody damn matter of fact that you can take
directly to your offshore tax shelter.

I've shared step by step instructions, all the way from the 1:1
original to what portion is being cropped and resampled at 3:1, 5:1 and
even greater, then further step by step of my having applied extremely
limited "unsharp mask" to each of those efforts and, for God's holy
sake I even utilized a few other minor unfuzzing filters plus added
some overall contrast for good measure. Of course I did all of this
just so that my always intellectually dumbfounded but otherwise
MI5/NSA~NASA bigoted anti-ET and thus anti-God, yet otherwise
all-knowing brown-nosed friends like yourself that keeps losing track
of GW Bush's good buddy Osama bin Laden as his perpetrated cold-war
partner in crimes against humanity, and as always for my having to
compete with your NIMA's terrific observationology/PhotoShop expertise
in spotting all of those WMD as hidden under every oily Muslim rock,
which obviously needed to be appropriately accommodated for our
resident warlord(GW Bush), or else. Whereas that's the sort of "high
standards and accountability" PhotoShop important stuff that I had to
work towards since your incest mutated DNA/RNA made you folks so
intellectually snookered as well as bigoted and blind from the moment
of your miserable conception.

Lo and behold, enlarged and PhotoShopped to a fairlywell and there's
nothing there that I can't otherwise clearly perceive with my
apparently superior though somewhat dyslexic three-brain-cell fortified
biological visual cortex PhotoShop, and oddly that observationology
seems to have included all of the natural attributes, such as for
enlarging upon the surrounding hot and nasty terrain and of that nifty
fluid arch that by itself seems rather totally impressive. Oddly, as to
those natural looking items of that fluid arch, the canyon/rille, all
of those terrific mountains of mostly newish geological rock formations
and erosion patterns all seemed to enlarge quite nicely yet somehow
remained just as entirely natural looking (exact same patterns) after
extensive PhotoShop efforts. Gee whiz Mr. know-it-all anti-PhotoShop
bigot, I wonder how the freaking hell that happened?

Perhaps we'd best ask your favorite incest lover-boy Ed Conrad.

What's your pathetic problem with a little put-up or shut-up, meaning
we haven't seen one of your observationology examples of such a nifty
collection of artificial looking patterns that are purely natural.
Others and I've looked for years, myself spending thousands of hours
looking, just as I've always asked of others to show the rest of us
village idiots the sorts of similar satellite SAR images of a good
enough perspective angle (such as those of Earth) that would become
your examples of what a community like setting having similar
artificial looking infrastructure of a fair complexity as though
rational infrastructure features except for those being purely of
natural geological and erosion patterns. So, any time you can put-up
your examples of such image files is when I'll be the first taking a
good look-see for myself. Why haven't you asked your cloak and dagger
NIMA.MIL to supply those sorts of images that I'll even do all the
PhotoShop hard work of pulling out whatever it is that you're claiming
is being equal or better than what I've uncovered about Venus, except
where supposedly your image examples being those of a community of
entirely natural formations that I'll have to accept because of such
being located somewhere upon Earth?

BTW; speaking about "manufacturing fraudulent 'evidence'", have we
heard back from your warm and fuzzy Dr.Death(Kissinger) lately? What
about all of those NASA/Apollo moonsuit EVA Kodak moments that blow and
suck at the same time? How about all of the evidence exclusion factors
of our perpetrated cold-war(s), those exclusions of TWA flight-800 and
of the LIBERTY fiasco? How about the Boeing/TRW/Raytheon and of their
Phantom Works ABL proof-testing that went a little too far? Perhaps I
should have continued my quest upon uncovering more of such
"manufacturing fraudulent 'evidence'" as here upon Earth?

Since you and your all-knowing incest cloned buddies continually
utilize such "high standards and accountability" as to enforcing your
"so what's the difference" policy of "manufacturing fraudulent
'evidence'", as well as you've employed your selective conditional laws
of physics and thus skewed whatever science analogy of basically
opposing ETs which is one and the same as for bashing and/or banishing
God, and as often as need be for such tactics having been based upon
loads of evidence exclusions, whereas such I feel it's my obligation
and moral responsibility of returning the warm and fuzzy favor, with as
much love and affection as I can muster.
~
BTW No.2; I've noticed how your GOOGLE V-Chip of remote PC jamming and
MOS MI5/NSA SPERMWARE of author/topic stalking has been taking it's
toll once again. I'll have to shut down, clean out your incest
infection of spermware crapolla and restart my PC a couple of times.
Life on Venus, basic Township, Bridge & Tarmac upon Venus:

The alternative topics from wizard Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Art Deco

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Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>BTW No.2; I've noticed how your GOOGLE V-Chip of remote PC jamming and
>MOS MI5/NSA SPERMWARE of author/topic stalking has been taking it's
>toll once again. I'll have to shut down, clean out your incest
>infection of spermware crapolla and restart my PC a couple of times.

Yer an idiot, guthball.

Brad Guth

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Jul 7, 2005, 1:46:02 PM7/7/05
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This time I'll have to agree that a thermo nuclear war should be a
whole lot cleaner than conventional tit-for-tats, especially if such
avoids the usage of nasty VX sorts of methods, thus we might actually
call such a TNW an environmentally green war, as possibly even that of
a user-friendly renewable war. Shouldn't last as long either, thus
environmental recovery will have additional years ahead of the
conventional tactics of massive collateral damage and carnage of the
innocent that'll obviously blow and suck even worse off than a little
extra radiation that we'll all have to be getting our DNA/RNA used to
such higher levels anyway, that is since in places the UV-a and UV-b
dosage has soared by a factor of 16 fold as a direct result of what's
causing our negative going albedo and subsequent global warming. All
that remains if for the other foot of mother nature to drop, that being
with respect to the failing magnetosphere levels as having been headed
into the nearest space-toilet like never before recorded.
~

Life on Venus, basic Township, Bridge & Tarmac upon Venus:

The alternative topics from wizard Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Bookman

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Jul 7, 2005, 1:46:57 PM7/7/05
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On 7 Jul 2005 10:28:57 -0700, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>My dear lord and rusemaster Bookman,


>Sorry that I've not met your good buddy and partner in crimes against
>humanity ED Conrad. Why, is he another all-knowing incest cloned bigot
>lover and Muslim exterminating LLPOF via evidence excluding SOB like
>yourself?

Ah, another non-factual assumption by teh Guthball. No, Ed's no
friend of mine, rather, he's a ko0k. Ed's rather like you, but his
ko0kiness involves finding rocks, declaring them to be "human
bones" and k'laming that he has "disproven" evolution.

Considering the way you both confuse your imaginings for facts,
I thought you would enjoy reading his stuff, since he seems to
believe that he's the "victim" of a "conspiracy" to "suppress his
'scientific' 'findings'" .

http://www.edconrad.com/ Enjoy! I'm sure you'll love the parts
about the "petrified soft organs".

Thanks for the cowardly snip you used, too. I'm glad I pissed you
off by trimming out the non-facts from you poast. Let's do it again
sometime.

Brad Guth

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Jul 7, 2005, 1:52:25 PM7/7/05
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Art Deco Jul 7, 1:34 pm "Yer an idiot, guthball."

And supposedly your resident warlord(GW Bush) isn't?

What part of your reply (any reply to date) offers the least bit of
anything as to the positive aspects of Venus?
~

Scott Hedrick

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Jul 6, 2005, 8:17:20 PM7/6/05
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"^The Commentator^" <nos...@no.trolls> wrote in message
news:42CC468B...@no.trolls...

> They are not laughing with you, guthball.

Why did you copy Guth's entire rant just to add two sentences? Trim your
quotes!

If I wanted to read his crap, I wouldn't have killfiled him.


Brad Guth

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Jul 7, 2005, 7:41:35 PM7/7/05
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Obviously our lord and master 'Art Deco' is an official MI5/NSA spook,
mole and/or incest cloned G-69 borg, as such is required to quote the
entire message.
~
Life on Venus, basic Township, Bridge & Tarmac upon Venus:The alternative topics from wizard Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth

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Jul 7, 2005, 7:58:56 PM7/7/05
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Thanks Bookman, for the rather unusual heads-up as to your ulterior
agenda/ruse of keeping this honest topic as polluted and as far
off-track as possible, such as for your not contributing squat, and/or
as per keep humanity situated deep into as much of your intellectual
cesspool mainstream of your brown-nosed warm and fuzzy bigots-R-us
dog-wagging infomercialism that blows and sucks at the same time.

Interesting as to a 'search for' "bookman" turns up all sorts of hidden
agendas as to you're being anti-ET and thus anti-God bigotry on
steroids. I didn't realize how effective your paganism of evidence
exclusions and conditional laws of physics has become just your cup of
polluted tea. Perhaps The New York Times, Newsweek and The Washington
Post should front-page index and thereby list and quote all of your
pagan MI5/NSA cloak and dagger and pro Skull and Bones contributions,
at least that way folks could better potty train their puppies and
cats, or spruce up their bird cages in good bigotry form and style.
~

Bookman

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Jul 7, 2005, 8:36:35 PM7/7/05
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On 7 Jul 2005 16:41:35 -0700, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Obviously our lord and master 'Art Deco' is an official MI5/NSA spook,


>mole and/or incest cloned G-69 borg, as such is required to quote the
>entire message.

Classic unspported assumption.

Art Deco

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Jul 7, 2005, 8:42:52 PM7/7/05
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Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Thanks Bookman, for the rather unusual heads-up as to your ulterior
>agenda/ruse of keeping this honest topic as polluted and as far
>off-track as possible, such as for your not contributing squat, and/or
>as per keep humanity situated deep into as much of your intellectual
>cesspool mainstream of your brown-nosed warm and fuzzy bigots-R-us
>dog-wagging infomercialism that blows and sucks at the same time.
>
>Interesting as to a 'search for' "bookman" turns up all sorts of hidden
>agendas as to you're being anti-ET and thus anti-God bigotry on
>steroids. I didn't realize how effective your paganism of evidence
>exclusions and conditional laws of physics has become just your cup of
>polluted tea. Perhaps The New York Times, Newsweek and The Washington
>Post should front-page index and thereby list and quote all of your
>pagan MI5/NSA cloak and dagger and pro Skull and Bones contributions,
>at least that way folks could better potty train their puppies and
>cats, or spruce up their bird cages in good bigotry form and style.

You are insane, guthball.

[kook links snecked]

Bookman

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Jul 7, 2005, 9:10:04 PM7/7/05
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On 7 Jul 2005 16:58:56 -0700, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Thanks Bookman, for the rather unusual heads-up as to your ulterior


>agenda/ruse of keeping this honest topic as polluted and as far
>off-track as possible,

Not at all. Observing that your go0fy notions are as screwy as Ed's
is a pretty accurate desription.

> such as for your not contributing squat, and/or
>as per keep humanity situated deep into as much of your intellectual
>cesspool mainstream of your brown-nosed warm and fuzzy bigots-R-us
>dog-wagging infomercialism that blows and sucks at the same time.

Oh, you mean the same "intellectual cesspool mainstream" of science
and engineering that gives up the Internet, computers, HTA flight,
cars, radios, refrigeration, cell phones, the Moon Missions, the
Shuttle, sattelites, etc, etc? I.e. working science?

What has your soi disany "science" provided the world, other than
mountains of Guthscreed?

>
>Interesting as to a 'search for' "bookman" turns up all sorts of hidden
>agendas as to you're being anti-ET and thus anti-God bigotry on
>steroids. I didn't realize how effective your paganism of evidence
>exclusions and conditional laws of physics has become just your cup of
>polluted tea. Perhaps The New York Times, Newsweek and The Washington
>Post should front-page index and thereby list and quote all of your
>pagan MI5/NSA cloak and dagger and pro Skull and Bones contributions,
>at least that way folks could better potty train their puppies and
>cats, or spruce up their bird cages in good bigotry form and style.

No hidden agendas, nut-boi, just poking at ko0ks like you. And so,
naturally, you have to imagine me as part of the "conspiracy" that you
invented. Heh.

^The Commentator^

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Jul 7, 2005, 9:52:22 PM7/7/05
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Brad Guth wrote:

> Obviously our lord and master 'Art Deco' is an official MI5/NSA spook,
> mole and/or incest cloned G-69 borg, as such is required to quote the
> entire message.

Get a clue, g00fball.

Your claims are not only absurd, they are utterly unsupported by fact,
logic or evidence.

Truth hurts, doesn't it k00kboi?

^The Commentator^

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Brad Guth wrote:

>

<K00kage, wankage and dingbattery snipped >

Free clue k00k, your claim of a "hidden agenda" doe not make it a reality.

Now, what is YOUR agenda, hmmmm?


Bookman

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Jul 8, 2005, 12:10:09 AM7/8/05
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Passing himself off as "special", at a guess. At least, his past
behavior is evidence supporting that conclusion.

^The Commentator^

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Jul 8, 2005, 12:33:53 AM7/8/05
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Bookman wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:54:28 -0700, ^The Commentator^
> <nos...@no.trolls> wrote:
>
> >Brad Guth wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> ><K00kage, wankage and dingbattery snipped >
> >
> >Free clue k00k, your claim of a "hidden agenda" doe not make it a reality.
> >
> >Now, what is YOUR agenda, hmmmm?
>
> Passing himself off as "special", at a guess. At least, his past
> behavior is evidence supporting that conclusion.
>

But his parents told him, time and again, he was special! He even rode a
special bus at school!

lensman1955

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Jul 8, 2005, 6:26:47 AM7/8/05
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I don't think he would actually know. The truth hasn't been anywhere
near him in years!

Brad Guth

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Jul 8, 2005, 12:20:34 PM7/8/05
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41. Bookman;
> Classic unspported assumption.

As to my;


>> Obviously our lord and master 'Art Deco' is an official MI5/NSA spook,
>> mole and/or incest cloned G-69 borg, as such is required to quote the
>> entire message.

That's my God given entitlement to assume whatever I damn well like,
just like yourself and our resident warlord(GW Bush) assumed it's
perfectly OK to LLPOF your butts of about all of those WMD, as well as
per having LLPOF your butts off about the global energy reserves
fiasco, thus directly causing the 9/11 fiasco and subsequent collateral
damage and the ongoing exterminations of perfectly innocent folks
simply because there were a few too many Islamic/Muslim types sitting
on those oily rocks, and there's so much more to share and tell than I
can possibly shake a flaming stick at.
~

BTW; it seems these days my PC goes down from overloads of your MI5/NSA
usenet spermware accomplishing as much damage as possible, thus I'm
often having to reboot in order to clean out their infections spermware
and reboot again for good measure has become a regular process of what
the mainstream status quo has been capable of doing to our computers
and/or per getting their sperm deep into damaging and/or extracting
corporate files to almost any extent they want to. I have proof of this
that's sitting on my desk, and yourself as well as most anyone can stop
by for a first hand look see. Thus apparently I'm the one telling the
truth and they(MI5/NSA~CIA/FBI and MI6) are not.

Brad Guth

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Jul 8, 2005, 12:26:05 PM7/8/05
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That's it?

That's the very best your mutated incest cloned DNA can come up with?

You've got nothing on Venus, nothing on our moon and therefore nothing
worth squat to contribute. So, obviously you're only here as to
topic/author stalk and bash because that's the tall order of your
miserable day after day existence that sucks and blows at the same
time.
-

Brad Guth

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Jul 8, 2005, 12:55:09 PM7/8/05
to
Taking a brief notice as to how all the incest cloned borgs of our
MI5/NSA are coming unglued these days, whereas attempting to protect
their fearless warlord's sorry butt as well as their own stinking
perpetrated cold-war butts. Just this brief look-see into the ongoing
borg collective that's stalking and bashing this topic for all it's
worth in order to continually divide and conquer thy enemy (that enemy
being myself) is so absolutely pathetic and, lo and behold if it's not
giving the absolute proof-positive that I'm right about way too much of
just about everything I'm having to say.

These are two of my latest and hopefully improved topics that will soon
get their attention as well, mostly because I'm not one of the
assimilated collective having a sufficient mainstream status quo brown
nose, nor am I sufficiently anti-ET and thus anti-God so as to being
sufficiently bigoted to boot.

Getting Sedna into orbiting Venus
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/d2421b010abf588e/587d65998de349ce?hl=en#587d65998de349ce

MOON Physics at 1% the cost of doing Tempel-1
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/05437159076e502e/49cc28a9bd79801a?hl=en#49cc28a9bd79801a
~

BTW; it seems these days my PC goes down from sheer overloads of all
their MI5/NSA usenet spermware accomplishing as much damage as


possible, thus I'm often having to reboot in order to clean out their

infections sperm and reboot again for good measure has become a regular


process of what the mainstream status quo has been capable of doing to
our computers and/or per getting their sperm deep into damaging and/or
extracting corporate files to almost any extent they want to. I have
proof of this that's sitting on my desk, and yourself as well as most
anyone can stop by for a first hand look see. Thus apparently I'm the

one telling the greater truth and nothing but the truth, whereas and


they(MI5/NSA~CIA/FBI and MI6) are not.

Life on Venus, basic Township, Bridge & Tarmac upon Venus:

Bookman

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Jul 8, 2005, 2:58:43 PM7/8/05
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On 8 Jul 2005 09:20:34 -0700, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>41. Bookman;

Now that's a little more like it, Guthball, but you were _almost_
coherent that time. Try to froth a little more, next time, too. The
Foam Factor wasn't really up to par, here.

Maybe it would help if you imagined that there were Borgs, Sleestacks,
Cardassians, and Cylons hiding under your bed, waiting for the
"MI5/NSA~CIA/FBI and MI6" Cabal[tinc] to order them to steal your
kidneys.

Try harder.

Art Deco

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Jul 8, 2005, 3:03:31 PM7/8/05
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Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Taking a brief notice as to how all the incest cloned borgs of our
>MI5/NSA are coming unglued these days, whereas attempting to protect
>their fearless warlord's sorry butt as well as their own stinking
>perpetrated cold-war butts. Just this brief look-see into the ongoing
>borg collective that's stalking and bashing this topic for all it's

[drool flush]

Are you still blathering, bigot-boi?

Bookman

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Jul 8, 2005, 3:37:11 PM7/8/05
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:03:31 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Taking a brief notice as to how all the incest cloned borgs of our
>>MI5/NSA are coming unglued these days, whereas attempting to protect
>>their fearless warlord's sorry butt as well as their own stinking
>>perpetrated cold-war butts. Just this brief look-see into the ongoing
>>borg collective that's stalking and bashing this topic for all it's
>
>[drool flush]
>
>Are you still blathering, bigot-boi?

Yeah, but I think he's managed to cough up a new entry for Teh Way.
See my ping for discussion.

Scott Hedrick

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Jul 7, 2005, 9:54:45 PM7/7/05
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"Bookman" <boo...@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote in message
news:gjirc15g2ggslk7eu...@4ax.com...
> Classic unspported assumption.

It's Guth- it's an *ass*umption.


Brad Guth

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Jul 8, 2005, 5:18:56 PM7/8/05
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Dear MI5/NSA incest cloned borg ^The Commentator^,
I've noticed that no matters what anyone provides of whatever degree of
evidence that's the least bit pro-ET or even pro-God, that no matter
what you go absolutely postal, spewing loads of your intellectual
flatulence along with those not so healthy chucks of your usual
brown-nosed MOS crapolla to boot.
~

Life on Venus, basic Township, Bridge, Tarmac & much more:

Alternative topics from the desk of Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth

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Jul 8, 2005, 5:45:03 PM7/8/05
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Dear MI5/NSA incest cloned borg Art deco and all similar frends of the
DARK SIDE,
I've noticed all along that of no matters what anyone provides of

whatever degree of evidence that's the least bit pro-ET or even
pro-God, that no matter what you've gone absolutely postal, as in
spewing loads of your intellectual pro-Hitler/KKK and pro Skull and
Bones flatulence along with those not so healthy chucks of your usual
brown-nosed MOS and LLPOF crapolla to boot. A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR "art
deco" tells us exactly whom and of what your borg collective(s) realy
are about, as well as what your ulterior motives and not so hidden
sgendas are all about.

It seems there's still lots to "Fear and Distrust" about our NASA,
especially if our nifty Boeing/TRW Phantom Works ABL is deployed and
running through a few of those supposedly low-energy and thus
non-lethal test at the same time. The least of NASA's badly needed
"shake-up" is only the dirty iceberg tip of what actually needs to be
accomplished, whereas it goes so much deeper that you're either not
allowed to share with us or would have to kill us and yourself once
sharing the truth. Their ABL teams certainly didn't share the truth any
better than our Apollo fiasco did.

It's been rather odd though entirely cloak and dagger expected whenever
others or I start off sharing honest thoughts about damn near anything
that so happens to include our moon or even Venus, that if in any
context involves another flash-back to our good old perpetrated
cold-war days of our NASA/Apollo fiasco, whereas all of the sudden the
lights go out, the given topic and contributing authors within such are
either banished and/or stalked and summarily bashed to death.

Typically evidence exclusions remain as your priority-No.1 agenda and
name of the ongoing cloak and dagger perpetrated cold-war game plan,
and that's what really sucks and blows at the same time. There's still
absolutely no such hard-science supporting those actual fly-by-rocket
lunar landers, as well as therefore nothing of substance that's
objectively of what's supposedly giving us hard-science as to their
moonsuit EVAs that simply could not have so easily transpired unless
the laws of physics are entirely different upon the moon, especially as
having been recorded by their unfiltered Kodak eye.

Unlike yourself, it seems that I have all sorts of perfectly doable
actions related to folks honestly utilizing our extremely nearby moon,
of extracting valuable resources such as He3 for the direct benefit of
humanity, and not to mention utilizing our moon as the ultimate NEO
point of final termination. Yet those same ideas that seem to work just
fine and dandy on behalf of whatever's Mars, Mercery or of anything
that's much further away and rather spendy like Tempel-1 (deep impact)
but, somehow if those notions at a fraction of the cost and within a
fraction of the time are applied to Venus and of especially as applied
as per any sorts of lunar infrastructure (such as the LSE-CM/ISS plan
of action) there's loads of trouble in NASA's River City.

As for bring up whatever the likes of "tj Frazir" has had to share and
it's all-out WW-III on steroids of honest folks having to be on the
receiving end of absolute loads of mainstream damage-control flak,
dog-wagging along with spin, hype and those spendy disinformation
infomercials running us amuck.

As for taking a brief notice as to the phoney baloney names of spooks
and moles within this topic, as to exactly how all the incest cloned
borgs of our MI5/NSA~NASA are coming unglued these days, whereas having
been attempting to protect their fearless warlord's sorry incest
spewing butt as well as their own stinking perpetrated cold-war butts.
Most any brief look-see into what this ongoing borg collective that's
stalking and bashing into even this topic for all it's worth in order


to continually divide and conquer thy enemy (that enemy being myself)

is so absolutely pathetic and, lo and behold if it's not giving us
supposed village idiots the absolute proof-positive that folks like
myself have been sufficiently right about way too much of just about
everything we're having to say.

These are two of my latest and hopefully improved topics that will soon

get their fair share of topic bashing and/or banishment lack of
attention as well, as mostly because I'm not one of the assimilated


collective having a sufficient mainstream status quo brown nose, nor am
I sufficiently anti-ET and thus anti-God so as to being sufficiently
bigoted to boot.

BTW; these days my PC frequently goes down in flames from all the
overloads of MI5/NSA usenet spermware accomplishing as much internal


damage as possible, thus I'm often having to reboot in order to clean

out their infections spermware and having reboot again for good measure


has become a regular process of what the mainstream status quo has been
capable of doing to our computers and/or per getting their sperm deep
into damaging and/or extracting corporate files to almost any extent

they want to. I actually have loads of proof of this that's sitting on


my desk, and yourself as well as most anyone can stop by for a first

hand look see. Thus apparently I'm the one telling the truth, whereas
they(MI5/NSA~CIA/FBI and MI6) are not about to tell us anything except
MOS LLPOF disinformation-R-us crapolla.

Bookman

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Jul 8, 2005, 5:45:51 PM7/8/05
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On 8 Jul 2005 14:18:56 -0700, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Dear MI5/NSA incest cloned borg ^The Commentator^,


>I've noticed that no matters what anyone provides of whatever degree of
>evidence that's the least bit pro-ET or even pro-God, that no matter
>what you go absolutely postal, spewing loads of your intellectual
>flatulence along with those not so healthy chucks of your usual
>brown-nosed MOS crapolla to boot.

What "evidence", borgboi?

Art Deco

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Jul 8, 2005, 7:22:03 PM7/8/05
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Bookman <boo...@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:03:31 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1>
>wrote:
>
>>Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Taking a brief notice as to how all the incest cloned borgs of our
>>>MI5/NSA are coming unglued these days, whereas attempting to protect
>>>their fearless warlord's sorry butt as well as their own stinking
>>>perpetrated cold-war butts. Just this brief look-see into the ongoing
>>>borg collective that's stalking and bashing this topic for all it's
>>
>>[drool flush]
>>
>>Are you still blathering, bigot-boi?
>
>Yeah, but I think he's managed to cough up a new entry for Teh Way.
>See my ping for discussion.

Found it -- I tried to rewrite it into the way of the k0oK style.

^The Commentator^

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Jul 8, 2005, 8:15:14 PM7/8/05
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Brad Guth wrote:

>

Why do you mention sperm and clones so much, guthball?

You're gay, aren't you?


^The Commentator^

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Jul 8, 2005, 8:16:56 PM7/8/05
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lensman1955 wrote:

You make a VERY good point!


^The Commentator^

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Jul 8, 2005, 8:17:35 PM7/8/05
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Brad Guth wrote:

Venus is not as you think, k00kboi.


^The Commentator^

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Jul 8, 2005, 8:18:44 PM7/8/05
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Brad Guth wrote:

Seems to me you are the only one going postal. I post one or two lines,
you respond with screen after screen of bullshit, k00kery and nonsense.

Project much, k00kguth?


Brad Guth

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Jul 8, 2005, 8:21:33 PM7/8/05
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Dear MI5/NSA incest cloned borg Art deco and to all similar frends of
the DARK SIDE,
Sorry about my reverse Klingon dyslexic topic encryption. However, in
spite of my having to improve upon the context, syntax and such, I've
noticed all along that of no matters what anyone provides of whatever

degree of evidence that's the least bit pro-ET or even pro-God, that no
matter what folks provide that's the least bit positive is when you and
your collective have gone absolutely postal, as in spewing loads of
your intellectual pro-Hitler/KKK and/or pro Skull and Bones flatulence

along with those not so healthy chucks of your usual brown-nosed MOS
and LLPOF crapolla to boot. A GOOGLE - SEARCH FOR - "art deco" tells us
exactly whom and of what your borg collective(s) really are about, as
well as what your ulterior motives and not so hidden agendas are all
about.

It seems there's still lots to honestly "Fear and Distrust" about our
NASA/shuttle program, especially if our nifty Boeing/TRW Phantom Works


ABL is deployed and running through a few of those supposedly
low-energy and thus non-lethal test at the same time. The least of
NASA's badly needed "shake-up" is only the dirty iceberg tip of what
actually needs to be accomplished, whereas it goes so much deeper that
you're either not allowed to share with us or would have to kill us and
yourself once sharing the truth.

Those ABL teams certainly didn't share the truth any better than our
Apollo fiasco did, and I believe that's the warm and fuzzy nice part of
what our perpetrated cold-war(s) have always had to offer.

It's been rather odd though entirely cloak and dagger typical as to be


expected whenever others or I start off sharing honest thoughts about
damn near anything that so happens to include our moon or even Venus,

especially if in any context of such involves another flash-back to our
good old perpetrated cold-war days of our MI5/NSA~NASA/Apollo fiasco,


whereas all of the sudden the lights go out, the given topic and
contributing authors within such are either banished and/or stalked and
summarily bashed to death.

Typically evidence exclusions remain as the mainstream status quo
priority-1 agenda and name of the ongoing cloak and dagger perpetrated
cold-war game plan, and that's what really sucks and blows at the same


time. There's still absolutely no such hard-science supporting those
actual fly-by-rocket lunar landers, as well as therefore nothing of
substance that's objectively of what's supposedly giving us
hard-science as to their moonsuit EVAs that simply could not have so
easily transpired unless the laws of physics are entirely different
upon the moon, especially as having been recorded by their unfiltered
Kodak eye.

Unlike yourself, it seems that I have all sorts of perfectly doable
actions related to folks honestly utilizing our extremely nearby moon,
of extracting valuable resources such as He3 for the direct benefit of
humanity, and not to mention utilizing our moon as the ultimate NEO
point of final termination. Yet those same ideas that seem to work just
fine and dandy on behalf of whatever's Mars, Mercery or of anything
that's much further away and rather spendy like Tempel-1 (deep impact)
but, somehow if those notions at a fraction of the cost and within a
fraction of the time are applied to Venus and of especially as applied
as per any sorts of lunar infrastructure (such as the LSE-CM/ISS plan
of action) there's loads of trouble in NASA's River City.

As for bring up whatever the likes of "tj Frazir" has had to share and
it's all-out WW-III on steroids of honest folks having to be on the
receiving end of absolute loads of mainstream damage-control flak,
dog-wagging along with spin, hype and those spendy disinformation
infomercials running us amuck.

As for taking a brief notice as to the phony baloney names of spooks

Life on Venus, basic Township, Bridge, Tarmac & much more:

Brad Guth

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Jul 8, 2005, 8:27:35 PM7/8/05
to
It seems that I have lots to share and share alike, whereas you've
contributed a collective worth of squat. So, what's your Skull and
Bones point about your being so anti-ET and thus anti-God?

I have thousands of questions. You have nothing but whatever has been
scripted and thus fully orchestrated and certified within your
MI5/NSA~NASA Koran.

^The Commentator^

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Jul 8, 2005, 9:22:29 PM7/8/05
to
Brad Guth wrote:

All you have to share is your stupidity, ignorance and mental illness.

But you are great fun to p0ke with a sharp stick.


Art Deco

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Jul 8, 2005, 9:39:02 PM7/8/05
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Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dear MI5/NSA incest cloned borg Art deco and to all similar frends of
>the DARK SIDE,
>Sorry about my reverse Klingon dyslexic topic encryption. However, in
>spite of my having to improve upon the context, syntax and such, I've

been flushed again.

The Echelon bugs in your computer are recording your every keystroke,
kookbreath.

Bookman

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Jul 8, 2005, 10:16:00 PM7/8/05
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Does the incest thing mean that he's gay for his own clone?
As in, he want's to go f..? EEEEEEEWWWWWWW!!!

^The Commentator^

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Jul 9, 2005, 2:51:52 AM7/9/05
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Bookman wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:15:14 -0700, ^The Commentator^
> <nos...@no.trolls> wrote:
>
> >Brad Guth wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >Why do you mention sperm and clones so much, guthball?
> >
> >You're gay, aren't you?
>
> Does the incest thing mean that he's gay for his own clone?
> As in, he want's to go f..? EEEEEEEWWWWWWW!!!
>
> ESL!
>
> -

Lets not go there....;-)

Bunn E. Rabbit

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Jul 9, 2005, 3:49:02 AM7/9/05
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On 6 Jul 2005 12:24:40 -0700, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I've already supplied loads of sufficient evidence ten, a hundred and
>perhaps a thousand fold.
>
>This is what I've given to Chris a few times;
>Most of old and new politics, science and even into physics is deeply
>rooted in religious cultism, thus the truth is only whatever the going
>religion of the day will permit as being shared, that is as long as
>whatever evidence to the contrary can be continually excluded.
>
>There have been thousands of such examples where we've been snookered
>(a few too many having been snookered to death) if not entirely lied to
>from the very get-go. So much so that a full listing of such
>snookerings and disinformation-R-us of infomercials being continually
>delivered by these all-knowing rusemasters would likely overload their
>own usenet collective.
>
>I've tried to share the truth about our moon, Venus and the Sirius star
>system. Lo and behold, it's been clear for the past 5 years that I'm
>being either stalked and bashed and/or summarily banished for sharing
>the honest matter of facts and upon the best truth that's available.
>Even my honest observationology has been getting their mainstream
>status quo flak to boot.
>
>Why not focus your good talents and limited resources, plus whatever of
>those of your friends upon the other more so nearby planet where life
>via creation, terraforming and/or evolution may have been emerging
>and/or having merely accommodated those ETs as having been involved.
>I'm thinking that because of the vast amounts of easily accessible raw
>elements along with the clean and free/renewable energy as upon Venus
>is way more than sufficient cause for alarm, or perhaps didn't you get
>my observational drift as extracted from that rather interesting
>official NASA/Magellan image of what still looks most likely as
>artificial out of all that's perfectly natural, as to exactly what a
>large scale Venus township should be as if such ETs were those somewhat
>on the large scale and perhaps exoskeletal types that I wouldn't
>exactly expect to be having high-tea with such folks any time soon.

Or go to their amusment park:

http://img27.echo.cx/img27/7771/166ut.jpg

--
Bunn E. Rabbit
_____

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____

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lensman1955

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Jul 9, 2005, 5:17:07 AM7/9/05
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Why is that always the insult of first choice?

lensman1955

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Jul 9, 2005, 5:19:31 AM7/9/05
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Bookman wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:15:14 -0700, ^The Commentator^
> <nos...@no.trolls> wrote:
>
> >Brad Guth wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >Why do you mention sperm and clones so much, guthball?
> >
> >You're gay, aren't you?
>
> Does the incest thing mean that he's gay for his own clone?
> As in, he want's to go f..? EEEEEEEWWWWWWW!!!
>
> ESL!

Oh great, now I have Asimov's "Clone Of My Own" song running through my
head. Although, to be fair to the Good Doctor, his clone had its 'Y'
chromosome changed to an 'X' so "gay" doesn't enter into it!

Brad Guth

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Jul 9, 2005, 10:58:13 AM7/9/05
to
If I'm so terribly dead wrong; then why are you and your nice friends
even here?

BTW; have you got that SAR image of something on Earth that looks
perfectly community like (as in artificial) but isn't?

After all, you're the ones claiming as being by far the bestest
all-knowing observationology wizards that seem to know for a bloody
matter of fact as to whatever's perfectly natural. How the heck do you
manage to accomplish that?
~
Life on Venus, basic Township, Bridge, Tarmac & Reservoirs:

David V.

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Jul 9, 2005, 12:20:04 PM7/9/05
to

Because little brad is gay, and he likes you.

--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.

^The Commentator^

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Jul 9, 2005, 5:32:20 PM7/9/05
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lensman1955 wrote:

Not an insult, a simple question.


^The Commentator^

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Jul 9, 2005, 5:34:59 PM7/9/05
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Brad Guth wrote:

> If I'm so terribly dead wrong; then why are you and your nice friends
> even here?

You don't know where "here" is, do you, k00k? You apparently have NO idea
where you are crossposting.

And, p0king you with sharp sticks is a helluva lot of fun.

>
>
> BTW; have you got that SAR image of something on Earth that looks
> perfectly community like (as in artificial) but isn't?
>
> After all, you're the ones claiming as being by far the bestest
> all-knowing observationology wizards that seem to know for a bloody
> matter of fact as to whatever's perfectly natural. How the heck do you
> manage to accomplish that?
> ~

Your abilities as a scientist are only matched by your abilities as a
writer. Both seem to be stuck about the seventh grade level.

Wait till you master high school math and physics and you will see what a
fool you are making of yourself.

Brad Guth

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Jul 9, 2005, 9:26:39 PM7/9/05
to
Since it accomplishes no apparent good as for myself to keep replying
to such intellectual mindsets of incest cloned borgs (intellectual/borg
is somewhat contradicting in of itself), I'll just have to reply to the
few and far between honest folks and contribute for myself, allowing
the likes of The Washington Post, Newsweek, The New York Times plus
whomever else is sill permitted outside the mainstream collective box,
as to read through the likes of whatever those opposing are attempting
to accomplish in spite of the truth, and obviously in spite of the
regular laws of physics that you'd think should work just fine and
dandy on Venus, as much as upon our moon but, think again.

I nearly always have to ask myself and of others; how the heck do all
of these warm and fuzzy MI5/NSA cloak and dagger spooks even know of
whatever they're interpreting from such an SAR image(s), such as those
of Venus as being that of their supposedly way too damn hot and nasty
terrain, and of their abilities as to know for such certainty as to
whatever's actually that of natural formations, and thus what isn't?

Oddly, without their having a single reference nor personal photo
interpretive expertise as to base their own mindset assumptions upon as
to whatever they say has to be perfectly natural or else, whereas it
seems that they're the ones that haven't supported squat as to argue
about and much less argue against my honest interpretations, as to what
I'm observing that also looks so perfectly natural as compared against
the other few items as being so artificial looking, especially as for
being associated with such an extremely community like and highly
rational if not most practical setting at that.

In observationology terms of their own "high standards and
accountability"; how exactly do they know of whatever rock formations
are in fact made of a rock substance and/or of depicted as rock-like
patterns, and not of something other? The answer is; they don't have a
freaking clue as to proving that anything they claim is entirely
natural and, they have absolutely no remorse about such nor of stalking
and bashing whomever for sport, much like how a couple of Popes went
postal over Cathars, or that of Hitler exterminating anyone that got in
his way.

And as long as I have to accomplishing absolutely everything from start
to finish, and as long as I'm up against the mainstream status quo; let
us try to explain and/or accept as to how exactly did these all-knowing
folks and of their warm and fuzzy NIMA.MIL freaking expertise in their
supposedly superior observationology ever manage to discover and
supposedly identify all of those horrific WMD in Iraq, thereby having
ever since caused so much collateral damage and carnage of the innocent
by way of anything except from such invisible/stealth WMD?

Fortunately, there are just as many satellite SAR images of what's
clearly artificial about Earth that'll interpret exactly like what's so
artificial looking as situated upon Venus (though obviously Venus being
of a much lesser populated thus lower density of identifiable
structural items that would certainly seem perfectly reasonable for
such a hot and supposedly nasty environment). Just as there are those
images of what's so likely natural upon Earth that'll match quite
nicely with what's most likely natural looking about Venus. Thereby, in
both instances we seem to have ourselves a perfectly good basis and
even as from that having been extracted of a similar imaging
perspective, of viewing upon what's natural as opposed to what's so
much more likely as being artificial.

The original and official composite Magellan image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
The small area of what's most interesting represents less than 10% of
this composite though very official Magellan image, depicting that of a
highly mountainous and thus elevated (possibly 5+km) terrain that's
depicted as situated less than a third of the way up from the bottom
and just offset to the right of center. This is a 225 meter/pixel
composite of three 75 meter/pixel originals as having zero pixel
modifications other than the combining of the three (4 look/pixel)
images into one (12 look/pixel) image, thus about as WYSIWYG and
proof-positive as such imaging ever gets.

Instead of your having to process upon the entire image, try cropping
out this small area as is (thereby extracting as little as a 5%
unmodified portion from the entire image) and at first try your
resampling at not more than 3X, meaning this would offer the 3X
enlarged/cropped image with having 9 times as many pixels for your
brain and PhotoShop to work with. Then using whatever biological as
well as software unsharp-mask along with a few other nifty image
filtering process and viable as well as 100% reversible enhancements
steps should start to accomplish at least as good if not somewhat
better end-results than what I've managed. Although, this task may be
somewhat easier said than done at first unless you're near expert with
the likes of PhotoShop software. There are free photo-software
solutions that'll do perhaps 75%~90% as good as those spendy programs
costing several hundreds of dollars, and there are even a few trial
versions of the very best PhotoShop that can resamply effectively as
10X thus accommodating 100 fold more viable pixels than of the 1:1
original, whereas even this relatively small crop of an image file
getts really big.

At least within such an elevated site and shortly after that location
gets deep within their extended season of nighttime as per existing
upon Venus is worth half of 243 Earth days, whereas this is when and
where it's a wee bit cooler and fortunately, there's been absolutely no
shortage of available and somewhat green/renewable energy to spare for
accomplishing damn near anything.

WYSINWYG; meaning there are perfectly valid 3D/(43°) like perspective
issues and the somewhat limited resolution related distortions but, the
12 looks/8-bit pixel worth of SAR imaging is providing an equal
look-see at whatever's perfectly natural as well as per the Venus
bridge and of what's associated nearby that isn't hardly an imaging
errors, nor are those pixels of complex reservoirs, multiple vertical
attributes as representing rational structures situated in a highly
rational like community setting that's located in a mountainous area as
well as for all of that being just south of a fairly complex and
otherwise quite large and most interesting tarmac, whereas such
artificial looking attributes simply are not exactly the sort of
lava/mud flow formations, erosion and/or platetonics running amuck
simply because it's been somewhat recently so darn hot and nasty. Of
course, I've been sharing all of this for 5.5 years and counting, and
that's not to mention the decade before that the official NASA/Magellan
teams had to work with that obviously saw noting but hot rocks.

Now that ESA/Russia are just about off to their own Venus EXPRESS races
with a pot load of new and improved sets of instruments, plus further
radar imaging capability, chances are that a few other interesting
hot-spots of similar interests might return MOS if not better
resolutions of whatever else there is to uncover about the ETs and/or
locals as having been living there.

Fortunately, of what's helping the observationology aspects is from
natural surroundings and of what's throughout and in between all that's
so unusually artificial looking, as per such loads of what's most
likely perfectly natural is including the terrific canyon and obviously
of the surrounding terratory that's including the massive though nifty
fluid arch which is still in fact representing exactly what's most
likely natural and thus so contrasting with what's artificial (ET
made). Yet we seem to have folks continually opposing all but a flat
Earth that are so intellectually as well as biologically bigoted that
they'd just as soon exclude their own mother and father for having any
part in their pathetic existence, rather than having to concede that
they have become such the mutated DNA of what amounts to an incest
cloned borg, and quite probably of a religious anti-ET and thus
anti-God mindset at that. I wonder why my religious friends (including
a number of Jewish friends and customers) aren't nearly as dumb and
dumber and thus so well snookered beyond the point of no-return, as for
being so easily dumbfounded and thus as thoroughly bigoted as the folks
opposing anything associated with ET's, the Sirius star system, Venus
or that of our moon?

That's certainly one heck of a good number of need-to-know and the
sorts of don't-ask don't-tell worth of nondisclosure, evidence
exclusions and/or topic taboo and author banishment to boot. Makes
myself wonder whatever else is there to behold, such as to the
knowledge or rather lack thereof as to the topic of ice-in-space that
has been as much disinformation-R-us and of as skewed physics and
science dog-wagging infomercialism gets next to those phony baloney
NASA/Apollo moonsuit EVAs and them unfiltered Kodak moments that suck.

As to having contemplated the vast numbers and impact depth of craters
upon Venus (much greater than our fair share upon Earth) clearly
stipulates via physics-101 that once upon a time our newish Venus had
much less of an atmospheric buffer zone as per defending itself. It's
almost as though Venus had survived after traveling through a rather
nasty Kuiper/Oort zone gauntlet of debris, then something much worse
happened along the way that set their geothermal core back into
overdrive, from which it's been measurably cooling itself off ever
since, and apparently at a far great rate than solar influx has been
contributing.

Since lots of big and nasty stuff has been recorded and well documented
as having been naturally running into one another, thus their supposed
BIG-BANG theory must have bounced itself off a few walls or something
because, otherwise it's somewhat physics improbable for such expanding
interactions to transpire, much less having cycled over and over, that
is if in fact there's such an ongoing expansion mode with no apparent
end in sight. Obviously I don't agree with the traditional singular
BIG-BANG.
~
Life on Venus w/basic Township, Bridge, Tarmac & Reservoirs:

Scott Hedrick

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If I wanted to read Guth's ramblings, I'd go take a dump and stare at it.

Please killfile him so I don't have to killfile you.


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