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chris thompson
May 9, 2012, 2:22:08 PM5/9/12
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i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
good at all my daughter was 8 years old
me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
good at all my daughter was 8 years old
Kleuskes & Moos
May 9, 2012, 4:07:00 PM5/9/12
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Mitchell Coffey
May 9, 2012, 4:37:30 PM5/9/12
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Mitchell
John Stockwell
May 9, 2012, 9:15:08 PM5/9/12
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it is all of this media talk about underwear bombers, and the like.
The thing to do now is that we should all stop wearing underwear
when we fly, so when the TSA person
asks to check your undies, say seductively "I'm not wearing any."
-John
prawnster
May 9, 2012, 10:12:39 PM5/9/12
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On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
got to see the attack close-up.
9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
Would that be a helpful way to approach your PTSD? Instead of
thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
wrote:
> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
got to see the attack close-up.
9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
Would that be a helpful way to approach your PTSD? Instead of
thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
wiki trix
May 9, 2012, 9:57:49 PM5/9/12
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> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
Sounds more like flashbacks to bad grammar. Standard English usage is
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
"my daughter and I".
In any case, why don't you try "flashbacks" to Fallujah as an
alternative?
BTW, are you drunk? Just wondering...
wiki trix
May 9, 2012, 10:18:04 PM5/9/12
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wow.
Tom McDonald
May 9, 2012, 10:31:21 PM5/9/12
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Also, don't pay attention to the dicks who replied to you with evil intent. They aren't worth your attention.
Glenn
May 10, 2012, 12:30:35 AM5/10/12
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> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
In the 2002 thread "why honest people hate George W Bush" you said you
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
were at Greenwich and Jay in one post and 4 blocks away in another
post. Either way is closer to a mile than one block. Is your memory
playing tricks on you?
Greg Goss
May 10, 2012, 1:22:37 AM5/10/12
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wiki trix <wiki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
>> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
>> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
>Sounds more like flashbacks to bad grammar. Standard English usage is
>"my daughter and I".
This rule didn't solidify to fairly late in the evolution of modern
>On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
>> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
>> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
>Sounds more like flashbacks to bad grammar. Standard English usage is
>"my daughter and I".
English. I agree with Shakespear in telling you that his usage is
fine. The distinction is pointless.
>In any case, why don't you try "flashbacks" to Fallujah as an
>alternative?
had, he might have additional flashbacks.
>BTW, are you drunk? Just wondering...
trauma. Just so long as he wouldn't make a habit of it. But I doubt
your theory here.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
jonathan
May 10, 2012, 1:25:44 AM5/10/12
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"chris thompson" <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b2d64911-4837-4137...@i8g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
it'll help.
"Trauma of 9/11 appears to have altered brains
study suggests"
"It follows a Cornell study by the same authors that found
people living near the World Trade Center on 9/11 have
brains that are more reactive to such emotional stimuli
as photographs of fearful faces."
http://phys.org/news131208099.html
>
Greg Goss
May 10, 2012, 1:23:54 AM5/10/12
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prawnster <zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:
>That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
>got to see the attack close-up.
>
>9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
>from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
It is always best when history happens to someone else instead of you.
>That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
>got to see the attack close-up.
>
>9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
>from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
See the "Fallujah" comment elsewhere in the thread.
wiki trix
May 10, 2012, 2:51:12 AM5/10/12
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On May 9, 10:22 pm, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
up. Old English was a heavily inflected language, as were other
Germanic languages, such as Old Norse and Icelandic. Unlike the other
Germanic languages, Modern English has simplified most of its
declensions. In particular, we have lost “thee” and “thou”, but we do
still have the distinction between “I” and “me”. There never was a
time when proper English confused the first person singular pronoun
nominative versus oblique cases.
> I agree with Shakespear in telling you that his usage is fine.
English in Shakespeare’s time still used archaic pronoun forms, such
as "thee" and "thou" for the modern "you", and made a stronger
distinction between pronoun cases than we do today. But note that
Shakespeare was a playwright, not an essayist. As Mark Twain
demonstrated many times, the accurate depiction of human communication
is a good enough reason to use bad grammar. On the other hand,
gratuitous bad grammar, as Chris Thompson's “me and my daughter were a
block away from the towers” just distracts and takes away from the
message he was trying to make. So in that regard, his usage is not
fine. Was he writing fiction?
> The distinction is pointless.
Perhaps the original post is more pointless. In any case, I do
subscribe to descriptive rather than prescriptive grammar. But even
so, I would have to say that “me and my daughter were a block away
from the towers” is simply wrong, unless it is intended as fiction,
which I suspect is the case here.
> wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> >> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> >> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
> >Sounds more like flashbacks to bad grammar. Standard English usage is
> >"my daughter and I".
>
> This rule didn't solidify to fairly late in the evolution of modern
> English.
You do not know what you are talking about and you are making things
> >On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> >> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> >> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
> >Sounds more like flashbacks to bad grammar. Standard English usage is
> >"my daughter and I".
>
> This rule didn't solidify to fairly late in the evolution of modern
> English.
up. Old English was a heavily inflected language, as were other
Germanic languages, such as Old Norse and Icelandic. Unlike the other
Germanic languages, Modern English has simplified most of its
declensions. In particular, we have lost “thee” and “thou”, but we do
still have the distinction between “I” and “me”. There never was a
time when proper English confused the first person singular pronoun
nominative versus oblique cases.
> I agree with Shakespear in telling you that his usage is fine.
as "thee" and "thou" for the modern "you", and made a stronger
distinction between pronoun cases than we do today. But note that
Shakespeare was a playwright, not an essayist. As Mark Twain
demonstrated many times, the accurate depiction of human communication
is a good enough reason to use bad grammar. On the other hand,
gratuitous bad grammar, as Chris Thompson's “me and my daughter were a
block away from the towers” just distracts and takes away from the
message he was trying to make. So in that regard, his usage is not
fine. Was he writing fiction?
> The distinction is pointless.
Perhaps the original post is more pointless. In any case, I do
subscribe to descriptive rather than prescriptive grammar. But even
so, I would have to say that “me and my daughter were a block away
from the towers” is simply wrong, unless it is intended as fiction,
which I suspect is the case here.
Glenn
May 10, 2012, 3:32:57 AM5/10/12
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different stripe.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
May 10, 2012, 5:57:52 AM5/10/12
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On Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:15:08 AM UTC+1, John Stockwell wrote:
> Associations with disasters can be very powerful. Hang in there. Likely
> it is all of this media talk about underwear bombers, and the like.
And once /again/, the bomber whose plan was stopped
> Associations with disasters can be very powerful. Hang in there. Likely
> it is all of this media talk about underwear bombers, and the like.
turns out to have been employed by the CIA anyway.
The CIA being behind all of these bomb plots
is a bit worrying, eh?
Ron O
May 10, 2012, 6:52:10 AM5/10/12
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C4 suppositories by the time you go through like that.
Ron Okimoto
wiki trix
May 10, 2012, 9:51:04 AM5/10/12
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chris thompson
May 10, 2012, 11:51:33 AM5/10/12
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the phone with her now.
Not her words, but she said "It's about fucking time". Said I had kept
everything in way too long and it just came out all at once. She said
I am not a PTSD person but if it happens again I need to call her
right away.
Thanks
Chris
chris thompson
May 10, 2012, 11:46:01 AM5/10/12
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Greenwich and Jay IS 4 blocks away- that's where my kid was at school.
PS150, formerly called the Tribeca Learning Center.
My workplace is a couple blocks closer- I was looking out a window at
work and I saw the towers on fire- - for what it's worth I work at
Borough of Manhattan Comm. College, on Chambers Street.
And when I was walking uptown with my kid I could not stop her from
seeing the towers go down.
Does it matter? Do you think I am making this up?
Chris
chris thompson
May 10, 2012, 11:54:00 AM5/10/12
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On May 10, 12:30 am, Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
sorry, one block, 4 bocks call me out on it if you need to'
Chris
Kermit
May 10, 2012, 1:28:38 PM5/10/12
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Mitchell Coffey
May 10, 2012, 1:35:50 PM5/10/12
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On May 10, 11:51 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Good luck, and write if you need to talk. How's your daughter?
Mitchell
wrote:
Mitchell
Mitchell Coffey
May 10, 2012, 1:38:25 PM5/10/12
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On May 9, 9:57 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> BTW, are you drunk? Just wondering...
You're not in Prawnster's league, you know that don't you: Don't
bother pretending to be a prick while a master's in the thread.
Mitchell
[snip]
> BTW, are you drunk? Just wondering...
bother pretending to be a prick while a master's in the thread.
Mitchell
Mitchell Coffey
May 10, 2012, 1:44:00 PM5/10/12
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On May 10, 12:30 am, Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
Mitchell
Bob Casanova
May 10, 2012, 1:58:54 PM5/10/12
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On Wed, 9 May 2012 19:12:39 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:
>On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
>> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
>> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
>That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
>got to see the attack close-up.
So in your opinion the very luckiest were those actually
*in* one of the towers when it collapsed?
>9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
>from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
Yeah, being closer to 3000 people as they died is ever so
much more fun.
>Would that be a helpful way to approach your PTSD? Instead of
>thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
>witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
>no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
>twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
You appear to have a serious lack of both empathy and
maturity. Is that the direct result of your religious
beliefs, or was the cause-effect in the opposite direction?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:
>On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
>> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
>> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
>That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
>got to see the attack close-up.
*in* one of the towers when it collapsed?
>9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
>from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
much more fun.
>Would that be a helpful way to approach your PTSD? Instead of
>thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
>witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
>no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
>twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
maturity. Is that the direct result of your religious
beliefs, or was the cause-effect in the opposite direction?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
May 10, 2012, 2:01:37 PM5/10/12
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On Wed, 09 May 2012 23:23:54 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org>:
>prawnster <zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
>>got to see the attack close-up.
>>
>>9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
>>from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
>It is always best when history happens to someone else instead of you.
Two classic references address this:
"May you live in interesting times" (Chinese curse)
"Adventure is someone else having a horrible time far away"
(Unknown source)
>See the "Fallujah" comment elsewhere in the thread.
--
in talk.origins, posted by Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org>:
>prawnster <zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
>>got to see the attack close-up.
>>
>>9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
>>from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
>It is always best when history happens to someone else instead of you.
"May you live in interesting times" (Chinese curse)
"Adventure is someone else having a horrible time far away"
(Unknown source)
>See the "Fallujah" comment elsewhere in the thread.
--
Mike Painter
May 10, 2012, 2:10:50 PM5/10/12
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On 5/9/2012 11:22 AM, chris thompson wrote:
> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
VERY common. Try to find a group and talk about it.
> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
If that is not possible you might try a veterans group.
It still happens to them even if they are WW II vets.
chris thompson
May 10, 2012, 4:53:18 PM5/10/12
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Jade is great- we are driving up to the frozen wasteland tomorrow to
pick her up, as a matter of fact.
Chris
Vend
May 10, 2012, 5:45:27 PM5/10/12
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it as the most shocking thing I've ever seen, being there must have
been terrifying.
Vend
May 10, 2012, 5:51:50 PM5/10/12
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On 10 Mag, 17:46, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And when I was walking uptown with my kid I could not stop her from
> seeing the towers go down.
You seem to mention this every time 9/11 is referenced. I suppose you
> And when I was walking uptown with my kid I could not stop her from
> seeing the towers go down.
might consider this as a failure to protect her, but I don't think it
was.
Maybe I don't full understand because I'm not a parent, but I think
that the sooner a child learns what kind of world they happen to be
born, the better. I guess your daugther is not traumatised about the
issue as much as you are.
Vend
May 10, 2012, 5:53:04 PM5/10/12
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prawnster
May 10, 2012, 6:44:21 PM5/10/12
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On May 10, 10:58 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> [...]
were either vaporized upon impact, went splat on the ground below,
burned to a crisp, or died of smoke inhalation in the rather drab,
cramped quarters that they saw every day. I guess the jumpers got to
experience something pretty interesting that few of us ever will, but
they don't get to tell their stories, thus they get no victim-cred as
Mr. Thompson does through his rapport-forcing original post.
If 3000 people died next door to me, why would I care? Why would it
bother me, if I didn't know any of them personally? I guess I could
pretend I knew them, indulge that sentimental fantasy, and enjoy the
thrill of vicarious victimhood. Now, if they all died in my yard or
in my house, I'd be doublepluspissed because the stench, the stains,
and the cleanup would be unthinkable. I'd probably just set the mess
on fire and move.
But I'm just talking about the planes pounding the towers: Bad. Ass.
> [...]
> So in your opinion the very luckiest were those actually
> *in* one of the towers when it collapsed?
>
> >9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
> >from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
> Yeah, being closer to 3000 people as they died is ever so
> much more fun.
>
No, the people in the towers didn't get to see anything amazing: they
> *in* one of the towers when it collapsed?
>
> >9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
> >from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
> Yeah, being closer to 3000 people as they died is ever so
> much more fun.
>
were either vaporized upon impact, went splat on the ground below,
burned to a crisp, or died of smoke inhalation in the rather drab,
cramped quarters that they saw every day. I guess the jumpers got to
experience something pretty interesting that few of us ever will, but
they don't get to tell their stories, thus they get no victim-cred as
Mr. Thompson does through his rapport-forcing original post.
If 3000 people died next door to me, why would I care? Why would it
bother me, if I didn't know any of them personally? I guess I could
pretend I knew them, indulge that sentimental fantasy, and enjoy the
thrill of vicarious victimhood. Now, if they all died in my yard or
in my house, I'd be doublepluspissed because the stench, the stains,
and the cleanup would be unthinkable. I'd probably just set the mess
on fire and move.
But I'm just talking about the planes pounding the towers: Bad. Ass.
David Fritzinger
May 10, 2012, 7:04:25 PM5/10/12
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In article
<0b2151a7-08e9-4d65...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
I hope you recover soon. I was in Hawaii when 9/11 happened, and only
found out about it hours after it happened. Still, it was one of the
most shocking things I have seen, and everyone at my place of work just
walked around in a daze that whole day. I grew up in NJ, and visited
there every summer/fall, and it came as a great shock when I was landing
at Newark Airport a year later, and I looked out of the window of the
plane and saw the void where the twin towers had been. Most of my
friends in NJ know people who died or lost a loved one when the towers
collapsed. I know it wasn't nearly as bad as Chris' experience, but it
was bad enough. I can't imagine being near to the towers when the planes
hit or the towers came down.
<0b2151a7-08e9-4d65...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
found out about it hours after it happened. Still, it was one of the
most shocking things I have seen, and everyone at my place of work just
walked around in a daze that whole day. I grew up in NJ, and visited
there every summer/fall, and it came as a great shock when I was landing
at Newark Airport a year later, and I looked out of the window of the
plane and saw the void where the twin towers had been. Most of my
friends in NJ know people who died or lost a loved one when the towers
collapsed. I know it wasn't nearly as bad as Chris' experience, but it
was bad enough. I can't imagine being near to the towers when the planes
hit or the towers came down.
prawnster
May 10, 2012, 6:52:05 PM5/10/12
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On May 10, 11:01 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2012 23:23:54 -0600, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org>:
> [...]
> On Wed, 09 May 2012 23:23:54 -0600, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org>:
> >It is always best when history happens to someone else instead of you.
>
> Two classic references address this:
>
> "May you live in interesting times" (Chinese curse)
> "Adventure is someone else having a horrible time far away"
> (Unknown source)
And here's a prawnsterist repurposing of the second quote:
>
> Two classic references address this:
>
> "May you live in interesting times" (Chinese curse)
> "Adventure is someone else having a horrible time far away"
> (Unknown source)
"As time passes, every horrible experience becomes an adventure."
Very similar to: Tragedy + Time = Comedy.
9/11 was over a decade ago, folks. I understand that victimhood is
the highest and most saintly virtue of preening Leftist status whores,
but it's time to get over your victimhood and start yucking it up
again. And admit it: the planes plowing into the towers looked f'ing
awesome and the sight is, in fact, so inspiring that the media refuse
to show it anymore, ever. They'd rather the wrong sort of person not
be inspired by such an awesome sight.
Tom McDonald
May 10, 2012, 7:47:38 PM5/10/12
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You seem pretty squared away on this, what with getting help right away, and continuing to get help as needed. I hope this is a one-off thing, and any recurrences are minor and recognized for what they are--temporary and recoverable.
Walter Bushell
May 10, 2012, 9:30:59 PM5/10/12
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In article
<24967567.22.1336612509045.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbki8>,
John Stockwell <john.1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:22:08 PM UTC-6, chris thompson wrote:
> > i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> > me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> > good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
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<24967567.22.1336612509045.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbki8>,
John Stockwell <john.1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:22:08 PM UTC-6, chris thompson wrote:
> > i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> > me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> > good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
> Associations with disasters can be very powerful. Hang in there. Likely
> it is all of this media talk about underwear bombers, and the like.
>
> The thing to do now is that we should all stop wearing underwear
> when we fly, so when the TSA person
> asks to check your undies, say seductively "I'm not wearing any."
>
> -John
You are advocating commando raids on the TSA?
> it is all of this media talk about underwear bombers, and the like.
>
> The thing to do now is that we should all stop wearing underwear
> when we fly, so when the TSA person
> asks to check your undies, say seductively "I'm not wearing any."
>
> -John
--
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wiki trix
May 10, 2012, 9:54:05 PM5/10/12
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wiki trix
May 10, 2012, 10:04:20 PM5/10/12
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PrawnMeister does have awesome powers... I would say that I am often
more brilliant but less consistent, sort of like Fischer, whereas The
Prawn is more like Spassky, boring, methodical, but rather consistent
in his efforts. Hard to say who is superior? Perhaps I should resign
this thread. What do you think Mitchell?
wiki trix
May 10, 2012, 10:09:30 PM5/10/12
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have read in a very long time. Bravo. I resign to you on this thread,
Sir. Shall we re-match in another thread soon?
*Hemidactylus*
May 10, 2012, 10:19:31 PM5/10/12
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the sounds of people putting you in their killfile.
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*Hemidactylus*
*Hemidactylus*
May 10, 2012, 10:34:00 PM5/10/12
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Columbia events. Not saying your recollection drifted ever so slightly
with time, but as explained in _Invisible Gorilla_, flashbulb memories
aren't exactly snapshots.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Invisible-Gorilla-Intuitions-Deceive/dp/0307459659
--
*Hemidactylus*
wiki trix
May 10, 2012, 10:38:33 PM5/10/12
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On May 10, 7:04 pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <0b2151a7-08e9-4d65-94b4-c2ccfdaac...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
I was on the west coast on 11/09/2001. I had just flown in a few days
before from Rochester NY, where I was doing consulting work for Kodak.
I flew in to see my mother in the hospital. She had a carotid
endarterectomy about five days earlier. The idea was to prevent
stroke, but the surgery resulted in a blood clot that caused a large
stroke, which actually happened during the surgery. She was in a coma
from that time until her death. At a few minutes after midnight on
11/09/2001, she died. That brought her to the end of a horrible time,
where she had been disconnected from life support, nutrient and water
supply, etc. I would have preferred euthanasia, but the rules did not
permit that. Instead, all support was simply removed, with the intent
to kill. But she seemed to go on for so long. I don't know how her
body could go on for so long. That was horrible. I do not know how
much she knew of it, but I was constantly worried that she experienced
terrible pain during those several days. I do not know. During the
remainder of that day, I heard about the twin towers, but it had no
effect on me. Still to this day, I have no thoughts one way or the
other regarding that event. I am sure there was great suffering for a
large number of people and I do feel that that is a terrible thing. I
also know that a huge percentage of the human population does and
always has experienced similar suffering during life and at their
demise. I also understand that people who experience or witness or
perpetrate violence can have what is known as "flashbacks". I am not
clear on what that is. I am sure they are discomforting experiences.
But I doubt sympathy helps much. It could be that swaddling one with
sympathy may be no better, and perhaps even worse than ignoring them
altogether. I have no idea. But my guess is that it does not make a
whole lot of difference either way. In any case, if you post messages
about it on a public forum, you can expect a mixture of both support
and ridicule. My inclination in these sorts of situation is ridicule.
On the other hand, I am much more inclined to have sympathy and
compassion for the mentally ill and the mentally retarded than most
other people I have talked with. So that is a partial view on my
thoughts about it.
> In article
> <0b2151a7-08e9-4d65-94b4-c2ccfdaac...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
before from Rochester NY, where I was doing consulting work for Kodak.
I flew in to see my mother in the hospital. She had a carotid
endarterectomy about five days earlier. The idea was to prevent
stroke, but the surgery resulted in a blood clot that caused a large
stroke, which actually happened during the surgery. She was in a coma
from that time until her death. At a few minutes after midnight on
11/09/2001, she died. That brought her to the end of a horrible time,
where she had been disconnected from life support, nutrient and water
supply, etc. I would have preferred euthanasia, but the rules did not
permit that. Instead, all support was simply removed, with the intent
to kill. But she seemed to go on for so long. I don't know how her
body could go on for so long. That was horrible. I do not know how
much she knew of it, but I was constantly worried that she experienced
terrible pain during those several days. I do not know. During the
remainder of that day, I heard about the twin towers, but it had no
effect on me. Still to this day, I have no thoughts one way or the
other regarding that event. I am sure there was great suffering for a
large number of people and I do feel that that is a terrible thing. I
also know that a huge percentage of the human population does and
always has experienced similar suffering during life and at their
demise. I also understand that people who experience or witness or
perpetrate violence can have what is known as "flashbacks". I am not
clear on what that is. I am sure they are discomforting experiences.
But I doubt sympathy helps much. It could be that swaddling one with
sympathy may be no better, and perhaps even worse than ignoring them
altogether. I have no idea. But my guess is that it does not make a
whole lot of difference either way. In any case, if you post messages
about it on a public forum, you can expect a mixture of both support
and ridicule. My inclination in these sorts of situation is ridicule.
On the other hand, I am much more inclined to have sympathy and
compassion for the mentally ill and the mentally retarded than most
other people I have talked with. So that is a partial view on my
thoughts about it.
*Hemidactylus*
May 10, 2012, 10:56:19 PM5/10/12
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time, so he was at work and his daughter's school in a different
location at a different time that day. How can someone say exactly where
they were over a long, traumatic time period correlated with exact event
dynamics?
Yet, so called flashbulb memories aren't as precise as we give them
credit for. I can think of several of my own. Ask me what I was wearing
on 9-11. Or exactly where I was when I first heard about it. I know
where I was generally speaking. Same goes for both Space Shuttle
disasters. But many details escape me.
Though details of this and that may fade with time, the emotional impact
is forever salient.
--
*Hemidactylus*
*Hemidactylus*
May 10, 2012, 11:07:18 PM5/10/12
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On 05/10/2012 06:52 PM, prawnster wrote:
> On May 10, 11:01 am, Bob Casanova<nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 May 2012 23:23:54 -0600, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by Greg Goss<go...@gossg.org>:
>> [...]
>>> It is always best when history happens to someone else instead of you.
>>
>> Two classic references address this:
>>
>> "May you live in interesting times" (Chinese curse)
>> "Adventure is someone else having a horrible time far away"
>> (Unknown source)
>
>
> And here's a prawnsterist repurposing of the second quote:
>
> "As time passes, every horrible experience becomes an adventure."
>
> Very similar to: Tragedy + Time = Comedy.
>
> 9/11 was over a decade ago, folks. I understand that victimhood is
> the highest and most saintly virtue of preening Leftist status whores,
> but it's time to get over your victimhood and start yucking it up
> again.
Ummm...9-11 had no impact on the right wing? OK. If you say so. You
> On May 10, 11:01 am, Bob Casanova<nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 May 2012 23:23:54 -0600, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by Greg Goss<go...@gossg.org>:
>> [...]
>>> It is always best when history happens to someone else instead of you.
>>
>> Two classic references address this:
>>
>> "May you live in interesting times" (Chinese curse)
>> "Adventure is someone else having a horrible time far away"
>> (Unknown source)
>
>
> And here's a prawnsterist repurposing of the second quote:
>
> "As time passes, every horrible experience becomes an adventure."
>
> Very similar to: Tragedy + Time = Comedy.
>
> 9/11 was over a decade ago, folks. I understand that victimhood is
> the highest and most saintly virtue of preening Leftist status whores,
> but it's time to get over your victimhood and start yucking it up
> again.
might want to alert Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Powell.
> And admit it: the planes plowing into the towers looked f'ing
> awesome and the sight is, in fact, so inspiring that the media refuse
> to show it anymore, ever. They'd rather the wrong sort of person not
> be inspired by such an awesome sight.
>
9-11-11? I was waking up to this:
http://www.history.com/9-11-anniversary...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/102_Minutes_That_Changed_America
It was emotionally jarring for those of us who experience emotion, sick
troll.
--
*Hemidactylus*
wiki trix
May 10, 2012, 11:13:56 PM5/10/12
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least his words were interesting.
> The only splat that should be heard are
> the sounds of people putting you in their killfile.
Boikat
May 10, 2012, 11:28:49 PM5/10/12
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On May 9, 9:12 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> > me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> > good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
> On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> > me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> > good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
> That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
> got to see the attack close-up.
>
> got to see the attack close-up.
>
> 9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
> from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
> from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
> Would that be a helpful way to approach your PTSD? Instead of
> thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
> witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
> no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
> twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
You need your fucking head examined.
> thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
> witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
> no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
> twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
Boikat
prawnster
May 10, 2012, 11:58:09 PM5/10/12
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On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> [...]
bothers you, then avert your eyes.
> [...]
> You need your fucking head examined.
>
I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
>
bothers you, then avert your eyes.
*Hemidactylus*
May 11, 2012, 12:00:11 AM5/11/12
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referral to a skilled proctologist would be the necessary first step.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorectal_surgery
This one should go into the DSM-5:
HUAD:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Head%20up%20ass%20disease
--
*Hemidactylus*
*Hemidactylus*
May 11, 2012, 12:09:50 AM5/11/12
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instances where I mentally associated you with them.
--
*Hemidactylus*
RAM
May 11, 2012, 12:37:43 AM5/11/12
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On May 10, 8:51 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 10, 12:32 am, Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 11:51 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 9, 10:22 pm, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> > > > >"my daughter and I".
>
> > > > This rule didn't solidify to fairly late in the evolution of modern
> > > > English.
>
> > > You do not know what you are talking about and you are making things
> > > up. Old English was a heavily inflected language, as were other
> > > Germanic languages, such as Old Norse and Icelandic. Unlike the other
> > > Germanic languages, Modern English has simplified most of its
> > > declensions. In particular, we have lost “thee” and “thou”, but we do
> > > still have the distinction between “I” and “me”. There never was a
> > > time when proper English confused the first person singular pronoun
> > > nominative versus oblique cases.
>
> > > > I agree with Shakespear in telling you that his usage is fine.
>
> > > English in Shakespeare’s time still used archaic pronoun forms, such
> > > as "thee" and "thou" for the modern "you", and made a stronger
> > > distinction between pronoun cases than we do today. But note that
> > > Shakespeare was a playwright, not an essayist. As Mark Twain
> > > demonstrated many times, the accurate depiction of human communication
> > > is a good enough reason to use bad grammar. On the other hand,
> > > gratuitous bad grammar, as Chris Thompson's “me and my daughter were a
> > > block away from the towers” just distracts and takes away from the
> > > message he was trying to make. So in that regard, his usage is not
> > > fine. Was he writing fiction?
>
> > > > The distinction is pointless.
>
> > > Perhaps the original post is more pointless. In any case, I do
> > > subscribe to descriptive rather than prescriptive grammar. But even
> > > so, I would have to say that “me and my daughter were a block away
> > > from the towers” is simply wrong, unless it is intended as fiction,
> > > which I suspect is the case here.
>
> > What a complete load of horseshit. You really are a loon of a
> > different stripe.
>
> Please point out the horseshit in my post. Be specific. Thanks.
> On May 10, 12:32 am, Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 11:51 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 9, 10:22 pm, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
> > > > wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> > > > >> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> > > > >> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
> > > > >Sounds more like flashbacks to bad grammar. Standard English usage is
> > > > wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >> i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> > > > >> me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> > > > >> good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
> > > > >"my daughter and I".
>
> > > > This rule didn't solidify to fairly late in the evolution of modern
> > > > English.
>
> > > You do not know what you are talking about and you are making things
> > > up. Old English was a heavily inflected language, as were other
> > > Germanic languages, such as Old Norse and Icelandic. Unlike the other
> > > Germanic languages, Modern English has simplified most of its
> > > declensions. In particular, we have lost “thee” and “thou”, but we do
> > > still have the distinction between “I” and “me”. There never was a
> > > time when proper English confused the first person singular pronoun
> > > nominative versus oblique cases.
>
> > > > I agree with Shakespear in telling you that his usage is fine.
>
> > > English in Shakespeare’s time still used archaic pronoun forms, such
> > > as "thee" and "thou" for the modern "you", and made a stronger
> > > distinction between pronoun cases than we do today. But note that
> > > Shakespeare was a playwright, not an essayist. As Mark Twain
> > > demonstrated many times, the accurate depiction of human communication
> > > is a good enough reason to use bad grammar. On the other hand,
> > > gratuitous bad grammar, as Chris Thompson's “me and my daughter were a
> > > block away from the towers” just distracts and takes away from the
> > > message he was trying to make. So in that regard, his usage is not
> > > fine. Was he writing fiction?
>
> > > > The distinction is pointless.
>
> > > Perhaps the original post is more pointless. In any case, I do
> > > subscribe to descriptive rather than prescriptive grammar. But even
> > > so, I would have to say that “me and my daughter were a block away
> > > from the towers” is simply wrong, unless it is intended as fiction,
> > > which I suspect is the case here.
>
> > What a complete load of horseshit. You really are a loon of a
> > different stripe.
>
> Please point out the horseshit in my post. Be specific. Thanks.
Kleuskes & Moos
May 11, 2012, 5:46:58 AM5/11/12
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might be: "Yikes!". In some cases, it may even be construed as a threat to public
safety or at least good taste.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
May 11, 2012, 6:59:31 AM5/11/12
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World Trade Center buildings collapsing
reach, in blocks? The pictures make it
look like a sandstorm. And certainly it's
been claimed that that stuff was dangerous
to be around, even if the larger pieces
didn't hit you.
Anyway, a child seeing such an event may
get upset and spend a while processing
the experience - having nightmares, and
such - but a child may get just as upset
by something relatively trivial, such as
a favourite TV show getting cancelled.
They also get pretty upset seeing a
parent get distressed. And being not
allowed to look would also be a strong
"bad thing happening" message. And she'd
see it later on TV, anyway.
After seeing the video of Challenger in 1986
a few times, I don't like to watch manned
spacecraft launches any more, but that
isn't really the same thing.
Mark Isaak
May 11, 2012, 10:18:32 AM5/11/12
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On 5/11/12 3:59 AM, Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc
talk-o...@moderators.isc.org wrote:
>
> Anyway, a child seeing such an event [9/11] may
have a big lasting impact. Far worse for children are ongoing patterns,
as of abuse or inconsistency. I would but Chris's daughter will be fine.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) curioustaxonomy (dot) net
"It is certain, from experience, that the smallest grain of natural
honesty and benevolence has more effect on men's conduct, than the most
pompous views suggested by theological theories and systems." - D. Hume
talk-o...@moderators.isc.org wrote:
>
> Anyway, a child seeing such an event [9/11] may
> get upset and spend a while processing
> the experience - having nightmares, and
> such - but a child may get just as upset
> by something relatively trivial, such as
> a favourite TV show getting cancelled.
> They also get pretty upset seeing a
> parent get distressed. And being not
> allowed to look would also be a strong
> "bad thing happening" message. And she'd
> see it later on TV, anyway.
A child's brain is still growing, so any single event is not likely to
> the experience - having nightmares, and
> such - but a child may get just as upset
> by something relatively trivial, such as
> a favourite TV show getting cancelled.
> They also get pretty upset seeing a
> parent get distressed. And being not
> allowed to look would also be a strong
> "bad thing happening" message. And she'd
> see it later on TV, anyway.
have a big lasting impact. Far worse for children are ongoing patterns,
as of abuse or inconsistency. I would but Chris's daughter will be fine.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) curioustaxonomy (dot) net
"It is certain, from experience, that the smallest grain of natural
honesty and benevolence has more effect on men's conduct, than the most
pompous views suggested by theological theories and systems." - D. Hume
Mark Isaak
May 11, 2012, 10:19:32 AM5/11/12
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On 5/10/12 8:58 PM, prawnster wrote:
> On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat<boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> You need your fucking head examined.
>
> I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11.
That's the point.
> On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat<boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> You need your fucking head examined.
>
> I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11.
Will in New Haven
May 11, 2012, 10:34:30 AM5/11/12
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He didn't say that you were lying; he said that you need psychiatric
attention.
I don't like to diagnose people on UseNet and we are on UseNet and you
are an alleged person. So I, having read your honest feelings about
and recollection of 9/11 and many other things you have written, just
despise you.
--
Will in New Haven
Bob Casanova
May 11, 2012, 1:25:08 PM5/11/12
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On Thu, 10 May 2012 15:44:21 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:
>If 3000 people died next door to me, why would I care? Why would it
>bother me, if I didn't know any of them personally?
You wouldn't and it wouldn't, but that's because you lack
even the semblance of the emotion known as "empathy".
But we all saw that long ago.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:
>If 3000 people died next door to me, why would I care? Why would it
>bother me, if I didn't know any of them personally?
even the semblance of the emotion known as "empathy".
But we all saw that long ago.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
May 11, 2012, 1:29:00 PM5/11/12
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On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:13:56 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by wiki trix
<wiki...@gmail.com>:
Perhaps. To some. But to most rational people only in the
Chinese sense.
appeared in talk.origins, posted by wiki trix
<wiki...@gmail.com>:
Chinese sense.
Bob Casanova
May 11, 2012, 1:34:01 PM5/11/12
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On Fri, 11 May 2012 07:34:30 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Will in New Haven
<bill....@taylorandfrancis.com>:
Pretty well sums it up. I hope he enjoys the impression he's
creating regarding the stability, empathy and social
conscience possessed by loons of the "fanatically religious"
sort.
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Will in New Haven
<bill....@taylorandfrancis.com>:
creating regarding the stability, empathy and social
conscience possessed by loons of the "fanatically religious"
sort.
Burkhard
May 11, 2012, 1:54:12 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 3:34 pm, Will in New Haven
Classic Will, excellent!
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 2:52:43 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 10:18 am, Mark Isaak <eci...@curioustaxonomyNOSPAM.net>
wrote:
tends to be most sensitive to perturbation (sensitivity to early
conditions). This is why toxins are so worrisome during fetal
development. However I suspect that the psychological development of a
child is rather robust, and traumatic experiences, if not too severe
and/or frequent is not debilitating in the long term.
wrote:
> On 5/11/12 3:59 AM, Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc
>
>
> talk-orig...@moderators.isc.org wrote:
>
> > Anyway, a child seeing such an event [9/11] may
> > get upset and spend a while processing
> > the experience - having nightmares, and
> > such - but a child may get just as upset
> > by something relatively trivial, such as
> > a favourite TV show getting cancelled.
> > They also get pretty upset seeing a
> > parent get distressed. And being not
> > allowed to look would also be a strong
> > "bad thing happening" message. And she'd
> > see it later on TV, anyway.
>
> A child's brain is still growing, so any single event is not likely to
> have a big lasting impact. Far worse for children are ongoing patterns,
> as of abuse or inconsistency. I would but Chris's daughter will be fine.
Actually, it is while a chaotic system property is emerging that it
>
> > Anyway, a child seeing such an event [9/11] may
> > get upset and spend a while processing
> > the experience - having nightmares, and
> > such - but a child may get just as upset
> > by something relatively trivial, such as
> > a favourite TV show getting cancelled.
> > They also get pretty upset seeing a
> > parent get distressed. And being not
> > allowed to look would also be a strong
> > "bad thing happening" message. And she'd
> > see it later on TV, anyway.
>
> A child's brain is still growing, so any single event is not likely to
> have a big lasting impact. Far worse for children are ongoing patterns,
> as of abuse or inconsistency. I would but Chris's daughter will be fine.
tends to be most sensitive to perturbation (sensitivity to early
conditions). This is why toxins are so worrisome during fetal
development. However I suspect that the psychological development of a
child is rather robust, and traumatic experiences, if not too severe
and/or frequent is not debilitating in the long term.
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 2:59:20 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 1:25 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2012 15:44:21 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
> <zweibro...@ymail.com>:
> On Thu, 10 May 2012 15:44:21 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
>
> >If 3000 people died next door to me, why would I care? Why would it
> >bother me, if I didn't know any of them personally?
>
> You wouldn't and it wouldn't, but that's because you lack
> even the semblance of the emotion known as "empathy".
Many people lack many things. Empathy is sometimes one of those
> >If 3000 people died next door to me, why would I care? Why would it
> >bother me, if I didn't know any of them personally?
>
> You wouldn't and it wouldn't, but that's because you lack
> even the semblance of the emotion known as "empathy".
things. I don't have a motorcycle. Do you have an interesting point to
make here?
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 3:01:15 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 1:34 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 07:34:30 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Will in New Haven
> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>:
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 07:34:30 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Will in New Haven
>
>
>
>
>
> >On May 10, 11:58 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >> On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >> > [...]
> >> > You need your fucking head examined.
>
> >> I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
> >> bothers you, then avert your eyes.
>
> >He didn't say it bothered him; he said that he thinks you are insane.
> >He didn't say that you were lying; he said that you need psychiatric
> >attention.
>
> >I don't like to diagnose people on UseNet and we are on UseNet and you
> >are an alleged person. So I, having read your honest feelings about
> >and recollection of 9/11 and many other things you have written, just
> >despise you.
>
> Pretty well sums it up. I hope he enjoys the impression he's
> creating regarding the stability, empathy and social
> conscience possessed by loons of the "fanatically religious"
> sort.
Correction. We loons are not all religious.
>
>
>
>
> >On May 10, 11:58 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >> On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >> > [...]
> >> > You need your fucking head examined.
>
> >> I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
> >> bothers you, then avert your eyes.
>
> >He didn't say it bothered him; he said that he thinks you are insane.
> >He didn't say that you were lying; he said that you need psychiatric
> >attention.
>
> >I don't like to diagnose people on UseNet and we are on UseNet and you
> >are an alleged person. So I, having read your honest feelings about
> >and recollection of 9/11 and many other things you have written, just
> >despise you.
>
> Pretty well sums it up. I hope he enjoys the impression he's
> creating regarding the stability, empathy and social
> conscience possessed by loons of the "fanatically religious"
> sort.
Boikat
May 11, 2012, 3:02:08 PM5/11/12
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your feelings. Anyone who feels the way you do is a mental case, and
needs to be looked at, and probably looked after.
Boikat
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 3:04:18 PM5/11/12
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equivalent to the character flaw that was being criticized in the
first place. Hypocrisy is usually not excellent.
deadrat
May 11, 2012, 3:25:05 PM5/11/12
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prawnster <zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> You need your fucking head examined.
>>
>
> I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11.
That may well be true, and I certainly have no basis for disputing the
> On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> You need your fucking head examined.
>>
>
> I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11.
assertion. But around here, your repeated assertions of ignorance and
your refusal to discuss the offered evidence contrary to such
assertions lead people to believe that you are willfully ignorant.
That's a mode of dishonesty, and if you choose to inhabit it, then you
can hardly blame people for rejecting your declared "honesty."
> If it bothers you, then avert your eyes.
fascinating intellectual train wreck. Since no one but yourself is
harmed in any way by your posts, I can even watch guilt free.
Trouble ahead; lady in red.
Quadibloc
May 11, 2012, 3:36:51 PM5/11/12
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On May 10, 8:38 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My inclination in these sorts of situation is ridicule.
My inclination is sympathy, but I don't feel myself particularly
> My inclination in these sorts of situation is ridicule.
qualified to offer the right sort of support to actually be helpful to
people facing these kinds of difficulty.
I've been reminded of 9/11 recently simply by reading the news
coverage of William Weinstein, an aid worker in Pakistan, having been
taken hostage by al-Qaeda forces seeking the release of jailed
terroists and terrorism suspects.
Obviously, we _can't_ release terrorist mass murderers, but in a
situation like this, it always makes it seem as though the government
doesn't care about the people held hostage. So I tend to feel that
situations like this are situations we cannot afford to allow to
arise.
But what do we do?
If William Weinstein dies, kill the world's one billion Muslims so at
least it won't happen again? That would be wrong: *we* don't play the
hostage game. But apparently people need to be reminded of this, so
that we stop hearing dishonest claims of some kind of moral
equivalency between the two sides in the war against terrorism.
The point is, though, that the war on terror isn't over. The forces
behind 9/11, at least in part, are still out there, working to
regroup. Until the last Islamic extremist is either dead or resigned
to "make no more war forever", 9/11, in a very real sense, still only
happened yesterday.
John Savard
Mitchell Coffey
May 11, 2012, 3:46:50 PM5/11/12
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of all people should know that.
Mitchell
Inez
May 11, 2012, 3:54:50 PM5/11/12
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On May 9, 7:12 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> On May 9, 11:22 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> > me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> > good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
>
> > i dont know what brought this on but i am having flashbacks to 9/11.
> > me and my daughter were a blobk away from the towers. not good not
> > good at all my daughter was 8 years old
>
> That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
> got to see the attack close-up.
>
> got to see the attack close-up.
>
> 9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
> from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
> from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
> Would that be a helpful way to approach your PTSD? Instead of
> thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
> witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
> no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
> twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
Openly admiring evil, the new conservative party game.
> thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
> witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
> no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
> twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 4:22:32 PM5/11/12
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thought. Does anyone who pisses you off need their head examined?
*Hemidactylus*
May 11, 2012, 4:27:07 PM5/11/12
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prawnster. Given the typical conservative affinity for retributive
justice, one shudders to think what affronting effect reading
prawnster's inflammatory rhetoric about 9-11 would have on them.
--
*Hemidactylus*
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 4:25:56 PM5/11/12
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Boikat
May 11, 2012, 4:37:59 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 3:22 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 11, 3:02 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 10:58 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > [...]
> > > > You need your fucking head examined.
>
> > > I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
> > > bothers you, then avert your eyes.
>
> > That'[s why you should have your head examined. You *honestly* shared
> > your feelings. Anyone who feels the way you do is a mental case, and
> > needs to be looked at, and probably looked after.
>
> > Boikat
>
> You are an expert on mental illness now?
So, someone who gets his jollies over the horrific deaths of several
> On May 11, 3:02 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 10:58 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > [...]
> > > > You need your fucking head examined.
>
> > > I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
> > > bothers you, then avert your eyes.
>
> > That'[s why you should have your head examined. You *honestly* shared
> > your feelings. Anyone who feels the way you do is a mental case, and
> > needs to be looked at, and probably looked after.
>
> > Boikat
>
> You are an expert on mental illness now?
thousand people is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
> So was Stalin. Or so he
> thought. Does anyone who pisses you off need their head examined?
you fnd them to be the thoughts of a mentally healthy and normal
individual?
I wonder how you would have reacted if he had sung the praises of the
efficiency of the Nazi death camps?
Boikat
deadrat
May 11, 2012, 4:39:28 PM5/11/12
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contempt for his failings, which are (apparently) a lack of empathy and the
insensitivity required to post things that demonstrate the lack. That's not
hypocrisy. It's just taking a soi-disant crank at his word.
deadrat
May 11, 2012, 4:42:53 PM5/11/12
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deadrat
May 11, 2012, 4:41:48 PM5/11/12
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deadrat
May 11, 2012, 4:47:18 PM5/11/12
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You've found they have a "typical affinity." You regard prawnster's
childishness as inflammatory. And you fear what the aforementioned class
of people would do if they read prawnster's drivel.
Really?
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 4:52:25 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 4:37 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On May 11, 3:22 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 3:02 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 10, 10:58 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > You need your fucking head examined.
>
> > > > I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
> > > > bothers you, then avert your eyes.
>
> > > That'[s why you should have your head examined. You *honestly* shared
> > > your feelings. Anyone who feels the way you do is a mental case, and
> > > needs to be looked at, and probably looked after.
>
> > > Boikat
>
> > You are an expert on mental illness now?
>
> So, someone who gets his jollies over the horrific deaths of several
> thousand people is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
Hard to say if that is the case just based in his narrative. If he
> On May 11, 3:22 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 3:02 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 10, 10:58 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > You need your fucking head examined.
>
> > > > I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
> > > > bothers you, then avert your eyes.
>
> > > That'[s why you should have your head examined. You *honestly* shared
> > > your feelings. Anyone who feels the way you do is a mental case, and
> > > needs to be looked at, and probably looked after.
>
> > > Boikat
>
> > You are an expert on mental illness now?
>
> So, someone who gets his jollies over the horrific deaths of several
> thousand people is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
actually killed people, that would be different. His words are fine in
my book. You have yourself spoken in violent terms from time to time.
And your judgmental tendencies worry me more than what the Prawn
typically has to say.
> > So was Stalin. Or so he
> > thought. Does anyone who pisses you off need their head examined?
>
> I was not pissed off. I found his comments sick and revolting. Did
> you fnd them to be the thoughts of a mentally healthy and normal
> individual?
what violence means. And many folks that are viewed as "mentally
healthy" and "normal" drop bombs on innocents every day. So what am I
supposed to make of that?
> I wonder how you would have reacted if he had sung the praises of the
> efficiency of the Nazi death camps?
> Boikat
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 4:54:01 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 4:39 pm, deadrat <misclegal...@gmail.com> wrote:
So you think that people who lack empathy should be dispised? Why not
left handers too?
left handers too?
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 4:56:10 PM5/11/12
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Mitchell Coffey
May 11, 2012, 5:02:39 PM5/11/12
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Mitchell
Mitchell Coffey
May 11, 2012, 5:11:45 PM5/11/12
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dear.
Mitchell
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
May 11, 2012, 5:15:21 PM5/11/12
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On Friday, May 11, 2012 9:37:59 PM UTC+1, Boikat wrote:
> So, someone who gets his jollies over the
> horrific deaths of several thousand people
> is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
Well, I think he gets his jollies by pretending
> So, someone who gets his jollies over the
> horrific deaths of several thousand people
> is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
to outrage a public audience here that probably
can't react in a way that really affects him
negatively.
But if he wants to amuse himself by exhibiting
something horribly disgusting at us, he might
as well just show us his genitalia.
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 5:21:37 PM5/11/12
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differently. Dear me. And thanks again...
>
> Mitchell
Boikat
May 11, 2012, 5:36:45 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 4:15 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
Well, he did show that he's nuts. That's sort of close to the same
thing....
Boikat
thing....
Boikat
deadrat
May 11, 2012, 6:47:07 PM5/11/12
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right or wrong, good or bad, but in this case it isn't hypocrisy.
Being left-handed isn't parallel to lacking empathy, but that's even more
irrelevant.
Boikat
May 11, 2012, 5:31:07 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 3:52 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 11, 4:37 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 3:22 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 11, 3:02 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 10, 10:58 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > You need your fucking head examined.
>
> > > > > I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
> > > > > bothers you, then avert your eyes.
>
> > > > That'[s why you should have your head examined. You *honestly* shared
> > > > your feelings. Anyone who feels the way you do is a mental case, and
> > > > needs to be looked at, and probably looked after.
>
> > > > Boikat
>
> > > You are an expert on mental illness now?
>
> > So, someone who gets his jollies over the horrific deaths of several
> > thousand people is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
>
> Hard to say if that is the case just based in his narrative.
Please, be more asinine.
> On May 11, 4:37 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 3:22 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 11, 3:02 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 10, 10:58 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 10, 8:28 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > You need your fucking head examined.
>
> > > > > I honestly shared my feelings about and recollection of 9/11. If it
> > > > > bothers you, then avert your eyes.
>
> > > > That'[s why you should have your head examined. You *honestly* shared
> > > > your feelings. Anyone who feels the way you do is a mental case, and
> > > > needs to be looked at, and probably looked after.
>
> > > > Boikat
>
> > > You are an expert on mental illness now?
>
> > So, someone who gets his jollies over the horrific deaths of several
> > thousand people is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
>
> Hard to say if that is the case just based in his narrative.
> If he
> actually killed people, that would be different.
> His words are fine in
> my book.
> You have yourself spoken in violent terms from time to time.
displayed by prawnster.
> And your judgmental tendencies worry me more than what the Prawn
> typically has to say.
problem in your book, either.
>
> > > So was Stalin. Or so he
> > > thought. Does anyone who pisses you off need their head examined?
>
> > I was not pissed off. I found his comments sick and revolting. Did
> > you fnd them to be the thoughts of a mentally healthy and normal
> > individual?
>
> I have no idea what "mentally healthy" and "normal" means. I do know
> what violence means. And many folks that are viewed as "mentally
> healthy" and "normal" drop bombs on innocents every day. So what am I
> supposed to make of that?
target, b) the intended targets should not camp next to innocent
civilians, c) realize that accidents happen, d) realize that if you
think those bombs were dropped on innocents on purpose, then you are
full of shit.
>
> > I wonder how you would have reacted if he had sung the praises of the
> > efficiency of the Nazi death camps?
>
> Now that would be boring.
> You got me on that one.
Boikat
deadrat
May 11, 2012, 6:52:38 PM5/11/12
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"Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
been amazing. I'd guess that part of the reason he posted was to provoke the
very outrage you display. Just a guess, of course, but if it's right, then
congratulations.
> But if he wants to amuse himself by exhibiting
> something horribly disgusting at us, he might
> as well just show us his genitalia.
Hmm. Do any of the amateur shrinks around here want to weight in on just why
someone might think that genitalia are disgusting?
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2012 9:37:59 PM UTC+1, Boikat wrote:
>> So, someone who gets his jollies over the
>> horrific deaths of several thousand people
>> is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
>
> Well, I think he gets his jollies by pretending
> to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
> to outrage a public audience here that probably
> can't react in a way that really affects him
> negatively.
He didn't say he enjoyed the deaths. He said he thought the sight would have
> On Friday, May 11, 2012 9:37:59 PM UTC+1, Boikat wrote:
>> So, someone who gets his jollies over the
>> horrific deaths of several thousand people
>> is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
>
> Well, I think he gets his jollies by pretending
> to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
> to outrage a public audience here that probably
> can't react in a way that really affects him
> negatively.
been amazing. I'd guess that part of the reason he posted was to provoke the
very outrage you display. Just a guess, of course, but if it's right, then
congratulations.
> But if he wants to amuse himself by exhibiting
> something horribly disgusting at us, he might
> as well just show us his genitalia.
someone might think that genitalia are disgusting?
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
May 11, 2012, 7:05:16 PM5/11/12
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On Friday, May 11, 2012 11:52:38 PM UTC+1, deadrat wrote:
> "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, May 11, 2012 9:37:59 PM UTC+1, Boikat wrote:
> >> So, someone who gets his jollies over the
> >> horrific deaths of several thousand people
> >> is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
> >
> > Well, I think he gets his jollies by pretending
> > to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
> > to outrage a public audience here that probably
> > can't react in a way that really affects him
> > negatively.
>
> He didn't say he enjoyed the deaths. He said he thought the sight would have
> been amazing. I'd guess that part of the reason he posted was to provoke the
> very outrage you display. Just a guess, of course, but if it's right, then
> congratulations.
Outrage? Me? No. I think you're being
> "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, May 11, 2012 9:37:59 PM UTC+1, Boikat wrote:
> >> So, someone who gets his jollies over the
> >> horrific deaths of several thousand people
> >> is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
> >
> > Well, I think he gets his jollies by pretending
> > to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
> > to outrage a public audience here that probably
> > can't react in a way that really affects him
> > negatively.
>
> He didn't say he enjoyed the deaths. He said he thought the sight would have
> been amazing. I'd guess that part of the reason he posted was to provoke the
> very outrage you display. Just a guess, of course, but if it's right, then
> congratulations.
unempathic.
> > But if he wants to amuse himself by exhibiting
> > something horribly disgusting at us, he might
> > as well just show us his genitalia.
>
> Hmm. Do any of the amateur shrinks around here want to weight in on just why
> someone might think that genitalia are disgusting?
deadrat
May 11, 2012, 7:37:52 PM5/11/12
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"Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2012 11:52:38 PM UTC+1, deadrat wrote:
>> "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
>> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, May 11, 2012 9:37:59 PM UTC+1, Boikat wrote:
>> >> So, someone who gets his jollies over the
>> >> horrific deaths of several thousand people
>> >> is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
>> >
>> > Well, I think he gets his jollies by pretending
>> > to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
>> > to outrage a public audience here that probably
>> > can't react in a way that really affects him
>> > negatively.
>>
>> He didn't say he enjoyed the deaths. He said he thought the sight would have
>> been amazing. I'd guess that part of the reason he posted was to provoke the
>> very outrage you display. Just a guess, of course, but if it's right, then
>> congratulations.
>
> Outrage? Me? No. I think you're being unempathic.
My bad. For "outrage" substitute "attention."
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2012 11:52:38 PM UTC+1, deadrat wrote:
>> "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
>> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, May 11, 2012 9:37:59 PM UTC+1, Boikat wrote:
>> >> So, someone who gets his jollies over the
>> >> horrific deaths of several thousand people
>> >> is a healthy mental outlook in your book?
>> >
>> > Well, I think he gets his jollies by pretending
>> > to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
>> > to outrage a public audience here that probably
>> > can't react in a way that really affects him
>> > negatively.
>>
>> He didn't say he enjoyed the deaths. He said he thought the sight would have
>> been amazing. I'd guess that part of the reason he posted was to provoke the
>> very outrage you display. Just a guess, of course, but if it's right, then
>> congratulations.
>
> Outrage? Me? No. I think you're being unempathic.
>> > But if he wants to amuse himself by exhibiting
>> > something horribly disgusting at us, he might
>> > as well just show us his genitalia.
>>
>> Hmm. Do any of the amateur shrinks around here want to weight in on just why
>> someone might think that genitalia are disgusting?
>
> I think /his/ genitalia are disgusting.
assumed?
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 7:14:23 PM5/11/12
to
front for a vast alien conspiracy to enslave the planet. I just cannot
see how examining his head at this juncture would do anyone any good.
> Mitchell
prawnster
May 11, 2012, 7:44:45 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 1:27 pm, *Hemidactylus* <ecpho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> No. As much as I dislike conservatives, I would not equate them with
> prawnster. Given the typical conservative affinity for retributive
> justice, one shudders to think what affronting effect reading
> prawnster's inflammatory rhetoric about 9-11 would have on them.
>
It would have no effect because America is Europe now; we have just
>
> No. As much as I dislike conservatives, I would not equate them with
> prawnster. Given the typical conservative affinity for retributive
> justice, one shudders to think what affronting effect reading
> prawnster's inflammatory rhetoric about 9-11 would have on them.
>
two dominant ideologies: Proud Marxism, embodied by Hussein 0'Bumster,
and Marxism-Lite, embodied by Mitt Fraudney.
George Bush and the US Congress were too cowardly to transform the
various and assorted sandistans into glass: did you see poor Bush the
Second? He looked like a chimp in the headlights when he heard the
news. Our heroic ancestors, however, such as Ike or FDR, would have
had no problem doing such a thing to protect America. QED x 2:
Hiroshama, Nagasaki.
prawnster
May 11, 2012, 7:56:15 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 2:15 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> [...]
pounding the Towers is one of the most amazing sights I've ever seen,
and I wish I had been there to see it in person. Nothing more.
And I am an intensely nonempathic person: I refuse to indulge in the
fantastical vicarious sentimentality required to be empathic. Plus,
empathy is for chicks.
And are you flirting with me, Mr. Carnegie? Email me your phone
number and I'll sext you an action-shot of my junk.
------
"Schools are to teach children what their parents don't know, assuming
their parents have Down Syndrome." -- prawndaddy
orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> [...]
> Well, I think he gets his jollies by pretending
> to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
> to outrage a public audience here that probably
> can't react in a way that really affects him
> negatively.
>
> But if he wants to amuse himself by exhibiting
> something horribly disgusting at us, he might
> as well just show us his genitalia.
I never pretended to enjoy any horrific deaths. I said the planes
> to enjoy the horrific deaths et cetera in order
> to outrage a public audience here that probably
> can't react in a way that really affects him
> negatively.
>
> But if he wants to amuse himself by exhibiting
> something horribly disgusting at us, he might
> as well just show us his genitalia.
pounding the Towers is one of the most amazing sights I've ever seen,
and I wish I had been there to see it in person. Nothing more.
And I am an intensely nonempathic person: I refuse to indulge in the
fantastical vicarious sentimentality required to be empathic. Plus,
empathy is for chicks.
And are you flirting with me, Mr. Carnegie? Email me your phone
number and I'll sext you an action-shot of my junk.
------
"Schools are to teach children what their parents don't know, assuming
their parents have Down Syndrome." -- prawndaddy
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 8:26:06 PM5/11/12
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>a), those innocents should not camp out next to the intended target,
So the 3000 innocents in the twin towers on 9/11 should have simply
not been in or near the twin towers on that particular day. It seems
so darned simple now that you pointed that out. Well, my friend, in
many cases it is the innocents who *are* the intended target. Dresden
Fire Bombing, Tokyo Fire Bombing, Viet Nam napalming. Also see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
> b) the intended targets should not camp next to innocent civilians,
> c) realize that accidents happen,
accidents were injured or killed? They were all accidents?
> d) realize that if you
> think those bombs were dropped on innocents on purpose, then you are
> full of shit.
conflict generally kills and maims more children than soldiers.
*Hemidactylus*
May 11, 2012, 8:31:24 PM5/11/12
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> You regard prawnster's
> childishness as inflammatory.
> And you fear what the aforementioned class
> of people would do if they read prawnster's drivel.
> Really?
Yep.
--
*Hemidactylus*
deadrat
May 11, 2012, 8:32:20 PM5/11/12
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wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 8:30:59 PM5/11/12
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Boikat
May 11, 2012, 8:53:01 PM5/11/12
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<snip remaining troll crap>
Boikat
Quadibloc
May 11, 2012, 9:06:57 PM5/11/12
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On May 9, 8:12 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
> got to see the attack close-up.
>
> 9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
> from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
> Would that be a helpful way to approach your PTSD? Instead of
> thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
> witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
> no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
> twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
I can see that those comments could be considered offensive by some.
> That's freaking awesome. You are so lucky, because very few people
> got to see the attack close-up.
>
> 9/11 was a crushing bore to me because I lived a long long way away
> from New York. I would trade places with you in a second if I could.
>
> Would that be a helpful way to approach your PTSD? Instead of
> thinking that you witnessed something horrible, tell yourself that you
> witnessed something amazing? Evil and destructive, sure. But there's
> no denying how amazing it looked when those aircraft plowed into the
> twin towers and then they collapsed. Bad. Ass.
Sure, it's exciting to witness history as it happens. But this was a
bad part of history. A lot of innocent people were killed. Many
families were bereaved.
Most people, myself included, feel that empathy for the sufferings of
other innocent people is always appropriate - and shutting it off is
never appropriate. If an event hurt people, that's just about always
the *most important aspect* of the event. (There are, of course, rare
cases where an event that hurt some people also saved an even larger
number of people from being hurt.)
I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that you have a problem that
needs psychiatric attention. However, low affect _is_ at least
possible, but that's not something that necessarily needs treatment.
If you start indulging in thrill-seeking behavior that endangers
yourself or others, _then_ you should consider seeking help.
John Savard
wiki trix
May 11, 2012, 9:13:53 PM5/11/12
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Notice the slowdown in traffic and the rubber necking on the
Interstate where a serious accident has occurred. Note the popularity
of youtube videos where people are injured.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
May 11, 2012, 10:30:58 PM5/11/12
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guessing.
He is called "prawnster"...
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