A couple of these species no longer liked the neighborhood. So over millions of years they tried
and tried to grow legs, arms and lungs until finally they did. So on to land they go. But they
too got lonely. What did they do? They divided themselves into millions and millions of other
species as before. It worked the first time right?
But alas, a few of them got fed up with how things were run on land and they yearned for the
good old days in the sea that their ancestors talked so much about. So they dove back and forth
from water to land and for millions of years. And waited. They waited millions of years for
their legs to return to fins and for their gills to grow back. And when they did, off into the
water they went. I bet they looked pretty silly when they had half legs half fins.
These new sea-to-land-and-back-to-the-sea creatures divided themselves yet again,despite the
fact there was no need to be lonely anymore, over the next many millions of years and one of
them became a dolphin. And THAT is why Dolphins are so fast.
A Grim's Fairy Tale for Adults.
--
It is all about Grims Fairy Tales with:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
·.¸Adman¸.·
^^^^^^^^^^^
of course, there's creationism...an idea that, for 2000 years failed
even to tell people not to crap in their drinking water.
> Long ago. In a deep dark dank dismal distant past. A past so hostile that it would even make
> Michael Myers afraid; A single microbe went **poof** and started to swim around in very hostile
> slimy primordial waters. It said to itself: "I am lonely", so it divided itself in two. Then,
> it divided itself into three, then into millions and millions of other species. This was one
> smart microbe.
>
> A couple of these species no longer liked the neighborhood. So over millions of years they tried
> and tried to grow legs, arms and lungs until finally they did. So on to land they go. But they
> too got lonely. What did they do? They divided themselves into millions and millions of other
> species as before. It worked the first time right?
"So over millions of years they tried and tried to grow legs, arms and
lungs until finally they did."
You choice of words says again a lot about your understanding: "tried to
grow...".
At least this explains WHY you still don't get it.
But not for you I am afraid, since you propably think that the above
nonsense is the centerpiece in modern evolutiontheory.
Your sillyness keeps surprising me.
Why don't you follow my earlier advise and FIRST read a good book on
evolution before trying to debunk it?
Look Madman,
How would you respond if I stated the following:
"According to The Holy Bible everything that looks green is actually
brown.", only to conclude: "Look how stupid that Bible is! It says that
green is actually brown!"
How much sense does that make?
My text isn't even in the bible.
Can you see the analogy?
You are making up trees, and then bark against them.
Don't you see your approach is doomed to failure?
First understand, then attack. OK? (Ask Sun Tzu.)
Erwin Moller
--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
Not a very good story. No actual plot, no actual characters or
character development. It read an actual fairy tale for adults, read
_The Lord of the Rings_.
Eric Root
I would expect adult fairy tales to include photos of nymph on nymph action.
Klaus
> Long ago. In a deep dark dank dismal distant past...
... Adman had a brainfart, and decided to commemorate the
moment by having others at five minute intervals ever since.
--
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible."
Voltaire
>A Grim's Fairy Tale for Adults.
Make that Grimm's (two m's)
Here is another one:
Once upon a time there was a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own
father who can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh
and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so
that he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in all
humans because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking
snake with legs to eat from a magical tree and thereby upset the
invisible wizard who lives in the sky?
(Yes, I am aware that this piece bears about as much relationship to
Christianity as (M)-adman's piece does to the Theory of Evolution.)
rossum
Why am I not surprised that you look up to a microbe as a shining
exemplar of intelligence?
Apparently you prefer to believe fairy tales for children. Like that one
with the talking snake and the magical Tree of Life.
Sue
--
"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
Actually, that pretty much sums up the doctrine I was taught as a
Southern Baptist. Except they usually forgot to mention that the
zombie was Jewish. Never forgot to mention that he was killed by Jews,
though.
Kermit
It's exactly what I was taught, too...good ol' fashioned Truth, no
messin' with any o' dat liberal "symbolic" nonsense...
slothrop
you apparently cannot recognize sarcasm
--
It is all about the truth with:
You both had bad teachers
--
It is all about the truth with:
Yes, indeed. All teachers that teach fundamentalist religion as fact
are bad. Bad people too- child abusers, really.
But what is it that you disagree with? That Christ was a Jew?
Chris
Ever the victim
Are you _totally_ disconnected from reality?
There was nothing of victimization in either of Inez' posts. In fact,
it's so delicious precisely because you said responded to her sarcasm
by saying she could not recognize sarcasm.
So I will answer my own question in the affirmative.
Chris
Where in what I wrote was I being a victim? It must be handy to
create your own reality, although vexing that no one else can see or
interact with it. Perhaps you should take up Dungeons and Dragons,
although that would require you getting friends so I guess that's
out.
THAT would be you
Christ was the good teacher. Of course, you *do* have to have a brain to understand him
I expect most microbes are smarter than adman. They are certainly more
honest.
...which is the response of a six-year old in a playground argument.
A fitting tribute to the intellectual value of your posts.
RF
Sorry, minors are illegal in porn. You'll need to wait until those
nymphs have pupated. :-)
So you were, in fact, misleading people (if not outright lying) with
all your protestations of not being a Christian.
Not surprising, really. But what did you disagree with? That Christ
was a Jew?
Chris
Playing Dungeons and Dragons (or playing it well, at any rate)
requires at least a rudimentary grasp of probabilities. You cannot
expect to have many players staying with you if you constantly require
them to throw triple ones on three dice to survive lighting a cook
fire.
Chris
Care for some cheese with that whine?
It is my fault you cannot understand sarcasm?
Next time i will use a big [SARCASM] sign just for you.
You left out 'neener neener!"
Chris
Your lies elevated to the status of truth by you are still lies
Please don't encourage him to take up roleplaying. My hobby has enough
juvenile idiots as it is.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." — Optimus Prime
> It is my fault you cannot understand sarcasm?
It's at least partially your fault that you're an ignorant moron who
can't understand a joke made at the expense of his sarcasm.
>
> Next time i will use a big [SARCASM] sign just for you.
I guess that's would be about as high as you can set you sights.
Speaking from experience, I can tell you that a terrible grasp of
probabilities, or even a "magical thinking" approach to mathematics, are
not a severe handicap in most roleplaying games. I've seen otherwise
intelligent people argue passionately over whether a die that has just
rolled two sixes is unusually likely to roll another six, or due to roll
a few ones to balance out the sixes.
If that is what you think why do never post anything but lies?
(Wow. Got my D&D mixed up with Steve Jackson's GURPs. Shame on me.)
> Speaking from experience, I can tell you that a terrible grasp of
> probabilities, or even a "magical thinking" approach to mathematics, are
> not a severe handicap in most roleplaying games. I've seen otherwise
> intelligent people argue passionately over whether a die that has just
> rolled two sixes is unusually likely to roll another six, or due to roll
> a few ones to balance out the sixes.
Was that a well-run game? Did they predicate success at tasks on the
notion that certain dice were "six-happy" or "six-shy"?
I was convinced that one particular purple d20 was cursed. Never could
prove it though, and I thought it was fun that we could have that kind
of running joke.
Chris
Show me where i have claimed to be christian. Christian was a word coined by the Romans. I am
Essene since you want to know so badly.
Christ existed and taught as a Jew. Christ was a nazarene.
>>
>> Not surprising, really. But what did you disagree with? That Christ
>> was a Jew?
What part of Christ existed and taught as a Jew was so hard?
>>
>> Chris
> Long ago. In a deep dark dank dismal distant past. A past so hostile that it would even make
>Michael Myers afraid; A single microbe went **poof** and started to swim around in very hostile
>slimy primordial waters. It said to itself: "I am lonely", so it divided itself in two. Then,
>it divided itself into three, then into millions and millions of other species. This was one
>smart microbe.
>
>A couple of these species no longer liked the neighborhood. So over millions of years they tried
>and tried to grow legs, arms and lungs until finally they did. So on to land they go. But they
>too got lonely. What did they do? They divided themselves into millions and millions of other
>species as before. It worked the first time right?
>
>But alas, a few of them got fed up with how things were run on land and they yearned for the
>good old days in the sea that their ancestors talked so much about. So they dove back and forth
>from water to land and for millions of years. And waited. They waited millions of years for
>their legs to return to fins and for their gills to grow back. And when they did, off into the
>water they went. I bet they looked pretty silly when they had half legs half fins.
>
>These new sea-to-land-and-back-to-the-sea creatures divided themselves yet again,despite the
>fact there was no need to be lonely anymore, over the next many millions of years and one of
>them became a dolphin. And THAT is why Dolphins are so fast.
>
>A Grim's Fairy Tale for Adults.
I have to agree. But since that sort of fairy tale is
believed exclusively by the illiterate it's OK.
"It isn't even wrong."
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Larvae pupate, nymphs don't. But it was a good line.
Baron Bodissey
Back off, man, I'm a scientist!
– Ghostbusters
Still having those reading problems, eh?
Don't give up. I know there are a lot of consonants but with effort
you can master them.
Chris
Well...I did say that he would have to have friends which would be a
disqualifier. So in my own subtle way I am discouraging him.
There is plenty of illerate evolutionist running around.
> There is plenty of illerate evolutionist running around.
Chris
[...]
> There is plenty of illerate evolutionist running around.
Your pratfalls are getting boring. You should move on to
YouTube, where you can add visuals like actually shooting
yourself in the foot or setting your hair on fire. Maybe this
way you could get all the attention you deserve.
--
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible."
Voltaire
>
> Playing Dungeons and Dragons (or playing it well, at any rate)
> requires at least a rudimentary grasp of probabilities. You cannot
> expect to have many players staying with you if you constantly require
> them to throw triple ones on three dice to survive lighting a cook
> fire.
>
> Chris
After seeing how some folks light their grills I think that triple
ones on 2 dice is a better assessment of their chances.
Mark Evans, who used to play D&D under the original rules.
So Adman claims to be an Essene, eh?
Well, unless he's a a time-travelling Jew form 2000 years ago, at best
he's a pseudo-Essene.
J. Gordon Melton in his Encyclopedia of American Religions states that
the modern Pseudo-Essene movement possesses no authentic historical ties
to the ancient Essene movement. Melton states, "Essene material is
directly derivative of two occult bestsellers — The Aquarian Gospel of
Jesus the Christ, by Levi H. Dowling; and The Mystical Life of Jesus, by
Rosicrucian author H. Spencer Lewis."
These modern pseudo-Essenes are nothing but a new-agey Christians with a
mysticalist and occultist bent.
Were Adman a *true* Essene, he'd be an ascetic, celibate Jew living in a
monastery with no access to a computer and the Internet.
Just fixing your nomination for you.
It wasn't just one game. I've seen this happen numerous times.
> Did they predicate success at tasks on the
> notion that certain dice were "six-happy" or "six-shy"?
Sometimes, yes. "Ooh, this is a tough roll to make. Hand me that blue
d20, it's rolled two ones this session and should be due for a high roll."
> I was convinced that one particular purple d20 was cursed. Never could
> prove it though, and I thought it was fun that we could have that kind
> of running joke.
"Darths and Droids" has a few paragraphs on the subject that reflect my
experience perfectly:
"If dice are random, then it doesn't matter if you're superstitious
about them. But if they're not... well, you better make sure you do the
right thing and treat them properly. No use taking risks now, is there?"
http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0099.html
(Actually, the webcomic itself is quite worthwhile, although it's
probably dependent enough on the culture that people who aren't
roleplayers won't grok most of the humor.)
Humans seem inclined to mysticism and ritual, as we don't like things
that appear random or unconnected. We try to impose patterns and rules
on everything we see, and it seems most people prefer hypotheses that
feel intuitive and give us some control over our environments. "Storing
the dice with the highest number facing upward 'recharges' their luck"
seems preferable to "the rolls are truly random and there's nothing I
can do to influence them."
This isn't entirely a bad thing, as it's a product of our curiosity and
high intelligence. The only real difference between this sort of b-grade
mysticism and science is science systematically tests its conclusions,
and discards those not supported by the evidence.
This idiot has been told again and again and again that no-one ever said the
first replicator was 'a single microbe'. Quite why he goes on waging war
against this idea is, therefore, a mystery to everyone who isn't a
psychiatrist...
H.
I am not an "Essene" you silly fool. The real Essenes died out in the second and third
centuries.
But it is fun to watch you jump through hoops at the simplest of my remarks.
Priceless!
<snip>
>So Adman claims to be an Essene, eh?
>
>Well, unless he's a a time-travelling Jew form 2000 years ago, at best
>he's a pseudo-Essene.
Maybe he thinks he's the Essene-tial Christian?
<snip>
Please don't taunt us with visions of a better world like this.
Mark Evans
You take the trouble to rank your remarks by the level of simplicity?
Isn't that very much a case of splitting hairs? And how much more
simple can you get?
Mark Evans
Ah. so you think that being deliberately obscure is the mark of a true
scholar? Or are you talking about moral behavior?
Any fool can be so obscure that people cannot understand him. But to
be so clear that folks cannot only understand him, but be persuaded by
him (or her), is impressive. Rather the opposite of what you are
doing.
To expand a bit on my post earlier in this little sub-thread: are you
asserting then, that the mistake my church made was to take their
source scriptures too literally? Slothrup & I agreed that rossum's
caricature of Christian doctrine was actually an accurate depiction of
our childhood religions. You said:
"You both had bad teachers"
Or did you mean something else?
Kermit
It is then, a real pity that you are not, in fact, what you claimed to
be.
> But it is fun to watch you jump through hoops at the simplest of my remarks.
The adults are discussing matters here, which you will never fathom.
Go back in the corner, and chew on your little piece of turpentine
soaked cardboard.
Go back and re-read read the post. you agreed with that utterly ridiculous story of his so i
replied you both have incorrect and poor religious teachers.
It really is T H A T simple
>I am not an "Essene" you silly fool. The real Essenes died out in the second and third
>centuries.
What part of Deuteronomy 5:20 do you have a problem with?
rossum
Here is the original:
Once upon a time there was a cosmic Jewish -- Jesus was a Jew, no?
zombie who was his own
father who can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh
-- We were taught the trinity and the sacrament of communion, are
these doctrines incorrect?
and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, -- do
you pray? We were told that accepting Jesus as our savior was a good
thing
so
that he can remove an evil force -- We're all born into sin, no?
from your soul that is present in all
humans -- Original sin was and is a doctrine in many if not most
Christian churches, granted at least in America
because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking
snake with legs to eat from a magical tree -- we were taught the Great
Temptation of Adam and Eve as a literal story, as well as the creation
of woman from man's body-parts (or DNA, as some modern fundies tell
it)
and thereby upset the
invisible wizard who lives in the sky? -- Numerous people, including
Elijah and Jesus, were taken up into Heaven, presumably where God
lives.
I agree the story is ridiculous, but where is the bad teaching? The
story says what the Bible says, as far as I can see, except the
'zombie' part (I'm aware of no current Christian sect that believes
God is an actual zombie, except maybe in the David Chalmers
sense...but with the thousands of versions of Christianity out there,
I'm still going through them)
thanks for enlightenment in advance,
slothrop
>I agree the story is ridiculous, but where is the bad teaching? The
>story says what the Bible says, as far as I can see, except the
>'zombie' part (I'm aware of no current Christian sect that believes
>God is an actual zombie, except maybe in the David Chalmers
>sense...but with the thousands of versions of Christianity out there,
>I'm still going through them)
Zombies rise from their graves after they are buried and walk around.
rossum
So this: "I am Essene since you want to know so badly." was a lie.
Understood.
>
> --
>
> It is all about the truth with:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ·.¸Adman¸.·
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, I guess something can be "about the truth" and yet itself be an
untruth.
Chris
Not really. Strawman arguments and unsupported claims are
all they have, so they refuse to abandon them. Think of a
4-year-old with a favorite "blankie".
>>> On Nov 26, 4:53 pm, "\(M\)-adman"<g...@hotmail.ed> wrote:
>>>> I am Essene since you want to know so badly.
<snip>
>I am not an "Essene" you silly fool.
No comment required...
Actually, now that you mention it, evolution does seem like an adult fairy tale that one would
snuggle with a good blankie to listen to
No comment required... i'll make a comment anyway
>>
>> No comment required...
>> --
>>
It is all about "to be or not to be" with:
Oops thank you!
Chris
For some reason, I get the impression that you think you're comming
across as "clever", and not as a simpering moron with the mental age
of a 5 year old spoiled brat with a learning disability. You really
should look into seeing a shrink, if you think you are being clever,
or if you think you're making some sort of point, or if you think that
you are doig is 'amusing". There is something mentally wrong with you
if you need to come across as a retarded jerk in order to gain
attention and self actualization. How is being a full-time asshole,
self fulfilling, anyway? I'm just curious as to what possible
motivation you, assman, have, that makes you think that posting your
obvious willfy malicious, imatire, ignorant and arrogant crud, makes
you feel better about yourself?
Don't bother with your bullcrap "no, that would be you", since that
would only prove my point that you are in need of an inteview and
evaluation with a mental health expert. Just answer the question:
Why do you think making yourself look like a pig-ignorant, arrogant
prick give you a sense of accomplishment?
Boikat
Boikat
Drinking so early in the morning?
There are support groups for that.
>I agree the story is ridiculous, but where is the bad teaching? The
>story says what the Bible says, as far as I can see, except the
>'zombie' part
Zombies rise from their graves after they die and walk around. ;)
rossum
To you, it would. But since you're a scientific illiterate
that's to be expected. What a shame that, unlike religion,
science has actual evidence which supports its claims.
Science is for adults; enjoy your pacifier.
One does not have to be a "scientific literate" to realize much of evolution is a guess and some
of it a down right lie.
--
It is all about the truth with:
>Bob Casanova wrote:
Quite right. Such a realization only comes after decades of willful
ignorance and imbecility.
Ah, you misunderstood me. What you describe is harmless (was the
person serious?) What would make for a bad game is if the GM said,
"You've rolled 3 17's in a row now, so you're obviously on a hot
streak. So I am making this task more difficult than normal- you need
a 19 instead of a 15 to succeed."
Semi-serious superstition is funny. The real thing is annoying.
Chris
Heh. No, I don't know of anybody who has done that. Seems like it would
violate one's sense of fairness.
> Semi-serious superstition is funny. The real thing is annoying.
Meh. I'm not personally bothered by people who sincerely think that
carrying a rabbit's foot brings luck, or that opening an umbrella
indoors causes misfortune, or that the omniscient and omnipotent creator
of the universe listens to THEM, specifically, over all others, and will
indulge their spoken wishes. At worst I feel a sense of gentle pity;
this behavior betrays a serious misunderstanding of the way the universe
works.
Go on, find a lie, I dare you.
I know you are a very forgetful person, or at least you like to run
away and try to forget things. However, on the 29th September 2008 you
failed to deal with a number of items that were first listed by
Boikat.
So, to help you, here (again) are the mistakes Boikat (and now myself)
think you need to address:-
Claiming the actor Paul Newman was a creationist....
Claiming that "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific*
discoveries...
Claiming wars have been fought because some scientific finding
discredited some facet of some religion...
Claiming to have a "higher education" than most posters to this news
group....
Claiming to understand how geologists determine the age of any given
sample of rock...
Now, will you deal with them? Or do I need to keep reminding you?
--
Bob.
Actually, one does, since science, unlike religion, requires
a knowledge of what constitutes evidence, thoughtful
consideration of the actual evidence, and a mind not closed
by preconceptions. Since you possess none of these your
opinions regarding science are not only wrong, they're
irrelevant.
But please, tell the group which parts of "evolution" are
"guesses" and which are "down right (sic) lies".
That's what I meant by running a bad game.
>
> > Semi-serious superstition is funny. The real thing is annoying.
>
> Meh. I'm not personally bothered by people who sincerely think that
> carrying a rabbit's foot brings luck, or that opening an umbrella
> indoors causes misfortune, or that the omniscient and omnipotent creator
> of the universe listens to THEM, specifically, over all others, and will
> indulge their spoken wishes. At worst I feel a sense of gentle pity;
> this behavior betrays a serious misunderstanding of the way the universe
> works.
To the extent that those do not impinge on me personally, I also don't
care. But in a real-life case- my wife insisted on changing our
daughter's cell phone number (after she'd had it a year or more!)
because it had too many 4's in it, and 4 is bad luck in China, since
the character resembles the character for death.
I love my wife, but...that's annoying.
Chris
Well, almost ALL of it.
[snip]
>To the extent that those do not impinge on me personally, I also don't
>care. But in a real-life case- my wife insisted on changing our
>daughter's cell phone number (after she'd had it a year or more!)
>because it had too many 4's in it, and 4 is bad luck in China, since
>the character resembles the character for death.
>
>I love my wife, but...that's annoying.
But Jade is OK, right? You have me worried, what with all those 4s.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
Heh, yes, everyone is fine. Better than ever, in fact...all doing
well. Jade turned 15 this past November and will be 22 next year, it
seems like.
Chris
> Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
>
> http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.savedarfur.org
Lack of answer noted. Again.
You really should stop making assertions when they only lead
to the public display, yet again, of your lack of any sort
of knowledge in the areas you attack.
>On Dec 1, 2:14 pm, Matt Silberstein
><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:08:40 -0800 (PST), in talk.origins , chris
>> thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> in
>> <27895ceb-44a5-4b14-b858-d76fed2fd...@o2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >To the extent that those do not impinge on me personally, I also don't
>> >care. But in a real-life case- my wife insisted on changing our
>> >daughter's cell phone number (after she'd had it a year or more!)
>> >because it had too many 4's in it, and 4 is bad luck in China, since
>> >the character resembles the character for death.
>>
>> >I love my wife, but...that's annoying.
>>
>> But Jade is OK, right? You have me worried, what with all those 4s.
>>
>> --
>> Matt Silberstein
>
>Heh, yes, everyone is fine. Better than ever, in fact...all doing
>well. Jade turned 15 this past November and will be 22 next year, it
>seems like.
I now understand why 16 is so dangerous an age.
--
Matt Silberstein
Ah. As I said, I haven't seen that.
>>> Semi-serious superstition is funny. The real thing is annoying.
>> Meh. I'm not personally bothered by people who sincerely think that
>> carrying a rabbit's foot brings luck, or that opening an umbrella
>> indoors causes misfortune, or that the omniscient and omnipotent creator
>> of the universe listens to THEM, specifically, over all others, and will
>> indulge their spoken wishes. At worst I feel a sense of gentle pity;
>> this behavior betrays a serious misunderstanding of the way the universe
>> works.
>
> To the extent that those do not impinge on me personally, I also don't
> care. But in a real-life case- my wife insisted on changing our
> daughter's cell phone number (after she'd had it a year or more!)
> because it had too many 4's in it, and 4 is bad luck in China, since
> the character resembles the character for death.
Japan has similar superstitions about the number 4.
> I love my wife, but...that's annoying.
I know precisely what you mean; I dated a creationist for a while.
No response? Note: "Well, almost all of it" doesn't count as
a response.
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:24:27 -0600, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by "\(M\)-adman" <gr...@hotmail.ed>:
>>Bob Casanova wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:19:24 -0600, the following appeared
>>>> in talk.origins, posted by "\(M\)-adman" <gr...@hotmail.ed>:
<snip>
And Addled runs and hides again...