On 1/1/2023 11:07 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:
> Ron O wrote:
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>> Willful ignorance is nuts.
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> And you posted four "Cites," none of them so much as mentioning
> DHA, all of them posted while believing you were refuting my
> statements on DHA.
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> You were profoundly ignorant of the contents of your own cites!
Go back to what you snipped out and ran from to determine that it
doesn't matter.
Look how you had to snip up this post. I can't even figure out what you
are responding to. What should that tell you?
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>> Your reference was about the ratio of
>> omega-6 and omega-3
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> No it wasn't. One cite was to demonstrate that your insects are
> NOT a good source of DHA, the other cite put a date on our
> improved (though still not very good) ability to synthesize DHA
> from ALA.
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Your source noted that the insects used in the study did not have DHA,
but they had, or could be fed to have healthy useful levels of EPA.
What was the issue with having too much omega-6 relative to EPA?
>> and the preferred ratio
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> It's DHA. Nothing about "Ratios." The Aquatic Ape diet provides
> a plentiful supply of DHA, a terrestrial diet does not. And as DHA
> is the all important one for growing larger brains... well.. why
> trouble you with facts you can't comprehend?
You have to be pretty brain dead to not understand that EPA is an
intermediate product to the production of DHA from ALA that we get from
plants. Knock, knock we can more efficiently make DHA when we start
with EPA. Look up the biochemical pathway. One of the issues with too
much omega-6 is that it competes for the same enzymes that are used to
make DHA from EPA. If you can keep the amount of omega-6 in the diet
low, you decrease the inhibition of making DHA from EPA.
That is what I learned from going to the references cited by your reference.
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>>> Again, zero mentions of DHA. As your mental illness causes you to believe
>>> that you are reacting to a comment about DHA, shouldn't your... your... um...
>>> "Refutation" actually address the topic?
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>> DHA isn't an issue
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> It is THE issue and exactly what I raised. It is exactly what you reacted to.
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> "A lack of reading comprehension does not an argument make."
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> Faker. Fraud.
Why didn't your reference think that it wasn't that much of an issue
when omega-6/EPA ratios were lower than 5? You are the one that needs
to read your own reference for comprehension and you can go to the
papers they cite to get more information.
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>>> No, wait. I'm serious. As you are pretending to be refuting my statements
>>> about DHA, shouldn't you have restricted yourself to citations that mention
>>> DHA? At all?
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>> I obviuosly
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> You posted four cites, none of them mentioning DHA. All of them refuting you.
Why did you have to snip out what I wrote to lie about it?
None of them had to mention DHA because the issue in your first
reference was about the ratio of the fatty acids that were present. The
cites only had to demonstrate that there were insects used as food that
you did not have to feed differently to get the ratio of omega-6/EPA
below 5. One of the cites had grasshoppers less than 1. The termite
cites had them around 3. Both below 5 that your first reference wanted
the ratios to be below.
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> You refuted yourself. And now you're doubling down, pretending you did
> something else.
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> It can't work. The thread is still here. All the posts are available to read on the
> Google archive.
My citations did just what I wanted them to do. That seems to be
obvious by what you had to snip and run from.
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>>> No mention of DHA.
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>>> Again, and by all means, please take this personal but, as your mental illness
>>> causes you to believe that you are "Refuting" my comments about DHA,
>>> shouldn't you post a cite that's actually relevant? One that MENTIONS DHA?
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>> There didn't seem
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> This isn't about how anything "Seems." You posted four cites which never said
> anything about DHA, and you posted them thinking you were refuting my
> statements on DHA.
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> You can't hide from this. You are a fraud.
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> Aquatic Ape has to be right, because of the DHA from the aquatic diet.
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> Admit your incredibly stupid mistake. Admit that Aquatic Ape is right.
Again why snip and run? Can you counter what was written?
Just as some exercise in seeing if you have any rational idea of what
you are claiming. What is your scenario for your aquatic ape phase.
Did it occur before or after our ancestors started bipedal locomotion?
Did it occur when our ancestors still had ape-like limb proportions (up
until Homo habilis). Chimps have a brain volume of less than 500 cc.
Lucy's relatives (A. afarensis) had brain size around the size of a
chimp, but some of them had brains larger than 500 cc. Homo habilis had
a brain size of around 600 cc and still had limbs that were more
ape-like in proportions so it is thought to have still been arboreal in
it's life style, at least, more arboreal than Homo erectus that had
modern human proportioned limbs and a brain size of less than 1,000 cc
(some early representatives from over a million years ago were around
700-800 cc) but some later representatives had brains larger than 1,000
cc and overlapped the range found in modern humans.
So when did we have this aquatic phase happen, and which of our
ancestors were involved? The Javanese H. erectus samples likely had
access to sea food, and would have had to cross some ocean expanse to
get to the islands less than a million years ago, had a brain size on
the small side for H. erectus (around 790 cc). More importantly, why
did this phase in our evolution end? Why did we go back to a
terrestrial life style and have to depend on plants and insects to get
enough omega-3 fatty acids to produce what we needed? Why did it take
so long for the modern humans evolving in Africa to evolve the ability
to more efficiently make DHA from what was in their diet? Did the
aquatic ape phase only happen in the modern humans that left Africa and
now depend mostly on aquatic lifeforms and plants (some still eat a lot
of insects) to get the EPA and DHA that they need? Did it only happen
with H. habilis, or H. erectus when our brains were getting larger, and
it took us a long time for modern humans in Africa to better adapt to a
more terrestrial lifestyle? Neanderthals likely didn't have the more
efficient production of EPA and DHA that is now found among modern
humans that remained in Africa because their ancestors left Africa
around 500,000 to 800,000 years ago. Did they leave Africa before or
after the aquatic ape phase?
Ron Okimoto
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