Bad News and Good News

[chris thompson]

An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
(yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.

Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
happen.

To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.

Chris

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2012-12-20 16:17:34 +0100, chris thompson

<chris.li...@gmail.com> said:

> An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
> bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
> (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
> even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
> inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
> replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
> News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.

Yup. That's pretty much the way major health problems are handled in
most of western Europe and, I think, Canada.

>
> Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
> happen.
>
> To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
> What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
> going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
> little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.
>
> Chris

--
athel

[chris thompson]

On Dec 20, 11:11�am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 2012-12-20 16:17:34 +0100, chris thompson

> <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> said:
>
> > An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
> > bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
> > (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
> > even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
> > inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
> > replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
> > News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.
>
> Yup. That's pretty much the way major health problems are handled in
> most of western Europe and, I think, Canada.
>

It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.

Chris

[Walter Bushell]

In article
<d236b0bd-49c2-4f7d...@x20g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

Hey, I'm up here near 116th St and Malcom the 10th Street, which is
near a fault line at 125th Street and another obvious fault line a few
long blocks west in a 1920s brownstone. If a big one hits this
building and all the brownstones around here are rubble. Just hope
emergency services gets me out before I burn to death or I die quickly
in the collapse. The latter is more likely, most of the buildings here
are about 1920 masonry construction.

I really need to get into a steel frame building. Ain't no place safe
in this country, except perhaps where Desertphile lives.

--
This space unintentionally left blank.

[Walter Bushell]

In article
<24a6e727-3ce4-4a76...@gu9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

chris thompson <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.
>
> Chris

I'm not very optimistic about the future of America. Almost half of us
voted for Romney. OK, he was running against Obama, but you know at
some point you may have to strike a deal with the "good" cop. Ganesh!
I never thought, at the time, I would wish for the days of Nixon.

[Paul J Gans]

Yup!

I agree that it is good news and bad news. I suspect that they are
being overly careful, not wanting to get sued when the inevitable
accident occurs.

I also hope that it won't take too long. And besides, you can
always blame it on Wilkins.

--
--- Paul J. Gans

[Dan]

Ever hear of the Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome?
Wasn't Desertphile sick from something like that awhile back?

/dan

[John S. Wilkins]

Not unless you try to get me to do paperwork.
--
John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
Honorary Fellow, University of Melbourne
- http://evolvingthoughts.net

[prawnster]

On Dec 20, 7:17�am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

You don't need to replace your wiring; "NYC Rapid Repair" is just
feathering its nest with a vanity project because of all the "free"
gummint greenbacks just freshly printed. So the gummint is just
stealing money from everyone else through inflation and putting it in
the hands of dudes like "NYC Rapid Repair."

Government programs certainly do work, if you're a grifter or
ignoramus like yourself, Cap'n 9/11.

I had a big problem with any money being printed to help New Orleans
after their big storm. But since almost all its residents were on
welfare anyway, I guess it doesn't really matter.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~ Brock H'ussein O'Yumyums,
King 47%, ratified by Democrap "exploit Newtown now" Nadler

[prawnster]

On Dec 20, 8:26�am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> [...]

> It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.
>

It's sad to see that the US is going broke by emulating communist
countries, printed dollar by printed dollar.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~ Brock H'ussein O'Yumyums,

Lord 47%

[prawnster]

On Dec 20, 9:20�am, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> [...]

> I'm not very optimistic about the future of America. Almost half of us
> voted for Romney. OK, he was running against Obama, but you know at
> some point you may have to strike a deal with the "good" cop. Ganesh!
> I never thought, at the time, I would wish for the days of Nixon.
>

Buck up, pinbun. The reelection of Brock H'ussein O'Yumyums is
monumental. It officially marks the end of AmeriKKKa as founded, and
its replacement by a decadent and suicidal welfare state. AmeriKKKa
is a historical footnote now.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~ Brock H'ussein O'Yumyums,

Prez 4 Life, ratified by Democrap "exploit Newtown now" Nadler

[RAM]

You are just worried about getting less SSI.

[chris thompson]

On Dec 20, 12:20 pm, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article
> <24a6e727-3ce4-4a76-81d9-667a334e6...@gu9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

>  chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.
>
> > Chris
>
> I'm not very optimistic about the future of America. Almost half of us
> voted for Romney. OK, he was running against Obama, but you know at
> some point you may have to strike a deal with the "good" cop. Ganesh!
> I never thought, at the time, I would wish for the days of Nixon.
>
> --
> This space unintentionally left blank.

I have some serious issues with Nixon, but while he (along with
Kissinger) was a war criminal and mass murderer, and he committed
heinous crimes at home, got our troops out of Vietnam (took too long,
I agree), opened relations with China, supported civil rights (he's
famous for the Southern Strategy, but turned around and forced
desegregation of public schools- especially in the South), oversaw the
creation of the EPA, signed the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Air
Act, the Clean Water Act, the Bald Eagle Act...

What a complex (and megalomanic) person he was.

Chris

[Paul J Gans]

Moral: There ain't no place safe. That's the fitness part of
survival of the fittest.

If Yellowstone blows, there'll be no place on earth that is safe.

[Paul J Gans]

That stinking liberal?

[chris thompson]

On Dec 20, 3:52 pm, Dan <degs...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 12/20/2012 12:17 PM, Walter Bushell wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article

> > <d236b0bd-49c2-4f7d-81d0-a0fa41c67...@x20g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

I think he actually had bubonic plague. That's endemic to the region
also, although less common than IIRC in parts of Colorado.

Chris

[Paul J Gans]

Nah, we just want to keep you around as a totem animal.

[Paul J Gans]

chris thompson <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 20, 12:20?pm, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <24a6e727-3ce4-4a76-81d9-667a334e6...@gu9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

>> ?chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.
>>
>> > Chris
>>
>> I'm not very optimistic about the future of America. Almost half of us
>> voted for Romney. OK, he was running against Obama, but you know at
>> some point you may have to strike a deal with the "good" cop. Ganesh!
>> I never thought, at the time, I would wish for the days of Nixon.
>>
>> --
>> This space unintentionally left blank.

>I have some serious issues with Nixon, but while he (along with
>Kissinger) was a war criminal and mass murderer, and he committed
>heinous crimes at home, got our troops out of Vietnam (took too long,
>I agree), opened relations with China, supported civil rights (he's
>famous for the Southern Strategy, but turned around and forced
>desegregation of public schools- especially in the South), oversaw the
>creation of the EPA, signed the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Air
>Act, the Clean Water Act, the Bald Eagle Act...

>What a complex (and megalomanic) person he was.

Yup. If you recall there was interparty consensus on many of
those actions. But the right wing of yesterday is the left wing
of today, as has been said many times.

[chris thompson]

The paperwork is all done.

But I still blame you.

Chris

[chris thompson]

On Dec 20, 6:42 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

Serious question: if you had to choose, today, in the voting booth-
would you vote for Nixon or Romney? Assume we're not at war with
anyone.

I think I'd vote for Nixon, damn his black heart to hell.

Hell, I'm almost ready to say I'd vote for Goldwater...The Republican
Party has sunk that low.

But some tea-partyer would probably shoot him for being a liberal.

Chris

[Richard Clayton]

On 20-Dec-12 10:17, chris thompson wrote:
> An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
> bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
> (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
> even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
> inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
> replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
> News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.

Wu! Glad to hear it. I imagine you could use some good news right about
now. (And the small fraction of my hard-earned income that is taxed to
pay for social benefit programs like that? MONEY. WELL. SPENT.)

> Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
> happen.
>
> To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
> What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
> going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
> little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.

Well, I suppose you could argue I'm a tiny bit "poorer" than I'd be if I
didn't have to pay taxes. Because, as every good economic libertarian
knows, highways, schools, power lines, and police stations are built by
magic pixies and have absolutely no front-loaded costs.

--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"I keep six honest serving men (they taught me all I knew); their names
are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who." — Rudyard Kipling

[Mitchell Coffey]

Nixon v. Romney, Nixon; Goldwater v. Romney, Canada.

Unlike Romney, Goldwater had principles, but mostly the wrong ones.

Mitchell

[Mitchell Coffey]

Actually, having had bubonic plague is cool. I mean, having had; I'm
sure the real thing is... Having had bubonic plague. It's strictly a
perfect participle coolness.

Mitchell

[Nic]

It's really gratifying to see someone making this fundamental point:
you can't be inefficient when doing fiscal stimulus just because what
you're funding is inefficient!

[J. J. Lodder J. J. Lodder]

Not possible I'm afraid.
Australia should already be gone by now,

Jan

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

He had one quality that would stand him in good stead with most of the
non-crazy people here: he believed in the separation of church and
state, and he didn't stand any nonsense from creationists.

--
athel

[John S. Wilkins]

It has, I'm afraid.

[Ron O]

On Dec 21, 6:50 am, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
> J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>

> > > John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> > > >Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>

Keep us updated on how it is after the end. Is there a tunnel with a
light at the end of it?

Ron Okimoto

[John S. Wilkins]

Just Police helicopters...

[chris thompson]

On Dec 21, 12:08 am, Mitchell Coffey <mitchelldotcof...@gmail.com>
wrote:

In his defense, I would say that Goldwater would abide by the Laws of
the Land. If Congress or the Supremes stopped him from doing something
mad, he would probably have accepted that. Nixon didn't, and Romney
probably would not have. But Goldwater was still a loon.

Chris

[chris thompson]

Aye.

Chris

[jillery]

So communication with the other side is possible after all!

[Mitchell Coffey]

On Dec 21, 8:40 am, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:

Are they wearing blue helmets?

Mitchell

[prawnster]

On Dec 20, 11:03 pm, Nic <harrisonda...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [...]

> It's really gratifying to see someone making this fundamental point:
> you can't be inefficient when doing fiscal stimulus just because what
> you're funding is inefficient!
>

Ha ha. You're damn straight, sir. In fact, if the goal is fiscal
"stimulus," then inefficiency is a virtue: the more money you waste,
the more jobs you save or create.

Isn't pedophile-Keynesian economics just wondermous?

[Paul J Gans]

chris thompson <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 20, 6:42?pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 20, 12:20?pm, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >> In article
>> >> <24a6e727-3ce4-4a76-81d9-667a334e6...@gu9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> ?chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.
>>
>> >> > Chris
>>
>> >> I'm not very optimistic about the future of America. Almost half of us
>> >> voted for Romney. OK, he was running against Obama, but you know at
>> >> some point you may have to strike a deal with the "good" cop. Ganesh!
>> >> I never thought, at the time, I would wish for the days of Nixon.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> This space unintentionally left blank.
>> >I have some serious issues with Nixon, but while he (along with
>> >Kissinger) was a war criminal and mass murderer, and he committed
>> >heinous crimes at home, got our troops out of Vietnam (took too long,
>> >I agree), opened relations with China, supported civil rights (he's
>> >famous for the Southern Strategy, but turned around and forced
>> >desegregation of public schools- especially in the South), oversaw the
>> >creation of the EPA, signed the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Air
>> >Act, the Clean Water Act, the Bald Eagle Act...
>> >What a complex (and megalomanic) person he was.
>>

>> Yup. ?If you recall there was interparty consensus on many of
>> those actions. ?But the right wing of yesterday is the left wing

>> of today, as has been said many times.
>>
>> --

>> ? ?--- Paul J. Gans

>Serious question: if you had to choose, today, in the voting booth-
>would you vote for Nixon or Romney? Assume we're not at war with
>anyone.

>I think I'd vote for Nixon, damn his black heart to hell.

>Hell, I'm almost ready to say I'd vote for Goldwater...The Republican
>Party has sunk that low.

>But some tea-partyer would probably shoot him for being a liberal.

Are you kidding? I'd vote for Nixon. That's how bad it is.

Of course I did not vote for him at the time because by the
standards of THAT day, he was far to the right.

Once upon a time there was a social consensus in the US. It
was forged during the Great Depression and lasted a long time.
But in time folks forget what hard times are like, especially
since even then many people held jobs and didn't suffer much
at all.

[Paul J Gans]

Verb tense is crucial here...

[Paul J Gans]

Oh TOO BAD!!! And my wife wanted to visit Australia so badly.

[Paul J Gans]

Ron O <roki...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Dec 21, 6:50?am, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
>> J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>> > > >Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > >> chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
>> > > >> >bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
>> > > >> >(yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
>> > > >> >even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
>> > > >> >inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
>> > > >> >replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
>> > > >> >News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.
>>
>> > > >> >Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
>> > > >> >happen.
>>
>> > > >> >To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
>> > > >> >What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
>> > > >> >going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
>> > > >> >little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.
>>
>> > > >> Yup!
>>

>> > > >> I agree that it is good news and bad news. ?I suspect that they are

>> > > >> being overly careful, not wanting to get sued when the inevitable
>> > > >> accident occurs.
>>

>> > > >> I also hope that it won't take too long. ?And besides, you can

>> > > >> always blame it on Wilkins.
>>
>> > > >Not unless you try to get me to do paperwork.
>>
>> > > Nah, we just want to keep you around as a totem animal.
>>
>> > Not possible I'm afraid.
>> > Australia should already be gone by now,
>>
>> It has, I'm afraid.
>> --
>> John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
>> Honorary Fellow, University of Melbourne
>> -http://evolvingthoughts.net

>Keep us updated on how it is after the end. Is there a tunnel with a
>light at the end of it?

You mean those headlights of oncoming trains?

[Paul J Gans]

Don't forget that you are talking to the down side here...

[John S. Wilkins]

I can't tell from within this whirling vortex...

[jillery]

Some verbs are more tense than others. They should try yoga.

[Walter Bushell]

In article <kb06s9$kih$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> >In article

> ><d236b0bd-49c2-4f7d...@x20g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

> > chris thompson <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
> >> bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
> >> (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
> >> even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
> >> inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
> >> replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
> >> News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.
> >>
> >> Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
> >> happen.
> >>
> >> To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
> >> What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
> >> going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
> >> little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.
> >>
> >> Chris
>
> >Hey, I'm up here near 116th St and Malcom the 10th Street, which is
> >near a fault line at 125th Street and another obvious fault line a few
> >long blocks west in a 1920s brownstone. If a big one hits this
> >building and all the brownstones around here are rubble. Just hope
> >emergency services gets me out before I burn to death or I die quickly
> >in the collapse. The latter is more likely, most of the buildings here
> >are about 1920 masonry construction.
>
> >I really need to get into a steel frame building. Ain't no place safe
> >in this country, except perhaps where Desertphile lives.
>

> Moral: There ain't no place safe. That's the fitness part of
> survival of the fittest.
>
> If Yellowstone blows, there'll be no place on earth that is safe.

I think the people in the Southern Hemisphere should be relatively
safe, IIUC there is not a lot of circulation between the hemispheres.
Now if it sets of the New Zealand Super Volcano or is set off by it,
then the race is in deep doo-doo.

[Walter Bushell]

In article <1kvhb5d.1x1ct9s1fqeehgN%jo...@wilkins.id.au>,

jo...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:

No that's the headlight of a fast approaching express train.

[William Morse]

On 12/20/2012 06:14 PM, chris thompson wrote:

> On Dec 20, 12:20 pm, Walter Bushell<pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article

>> <24a6e727-3ce4-4a76-81d9-667a334e6...@gu9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

>> chris thompson<chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.
>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> I'm not very optimistic about the future of America. Almost half of us
>> voted for Romney. OK, he was running against Obama, but you know at
>> some point you may have to strike a deal with the "good" cop. Ganesh!
>> I never thought, at the time, I would wish for the days of Nixon.
>>

>> --
>> This space unintentionally left blank.
>

> I have some serious issues with Nixon, but while he (along with
> Kissinger) was a war criminal and mass murderer, and he committed
> heinous crimes at home, got our troops out of Vietnam (took too long,
> I agree), opened relations with China, supported civil rights (he's
> famous for the Southern Strategy, but turned around and forced
> desegregation of public schools- especially in the South), oversaw the
> creation of the EPA, signed the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Air
> Act, the Clean Water Act, the Bald Eagle Act...
>
> What a complex (and megalomanic) person he was.
>

> Chris
>
Yeah. Garry Wills' "Nixon Agonistes" was as I recall a very good
analysis of the complex Nixon persona.

And remember we almost got national health care courtesy of Nixon,
except it got lost in Watergate. To bad the mean/petty side of Nixon
during the election destroyed the chance for the magnaminous/global
vision side to make him a great president.

[SkyEyes]

On Dec 20, 10:08�pm, Mitchell Coffey <mitchelldotcof...@gmail.com>
wrote:

It depends on what time of his life the putative Goldwater would be up
for your vote. In his later years, he mellowed considerably; hated
the Religious Right, was pro-choice, and thought people's sexual
orientation was not the government's beeswax. I'd take the "Elder
Statesman" Goldwater over Romney *any* day, and I'm a leftist pinko
commie symp.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[SkyEyes]

On Dec 20, 10:17�am, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article

> <d236b0bd-49c2-4f7d-81d0-a0fa41c67...@x20g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

> �chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
> > bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
> > (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
> > even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
> > inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
> > replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
> > News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.
>
> > Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
> > happen.
>
> > To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
> > What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
> > going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
> > little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.
>

> > Chris
>
> Hey, I'm up here near 116th St and Malcom the 10th Street, which is
> near a fault line at 125th Street and another obvious fault line a few
> long blocks west in a 1920s brownstone. If a big one hits this
> building and all the brownstones around here are rubble. Just hope
> emergency services gets me out before I burn to death or I die quickly
> in the collapse. The latter is more likely, most of the buildings here
> are about 1920 masonry construction.
>
> I really need to get into a steel frame building. Ain't no place safe
> in this country, except perhaps where Desertphile lives.

We could make room for you in Tucson, Chris. Ain't nothin' goin' on
here but 8 months of swell weather and 4 months of hotter-than-
mutherfarking-Hell. But hey. It's a dry heat. Most of the time.

[jillery]

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:38:16 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>

If past performance is any guide, the next Yellowstone explosion ought
to leave some of the country intact.

[John S. Wilkins]

You did, last election.

>
> Of course I did not vote for him at the time because by the
> standards of THAT day, he was far to the right.
>
> Once upon a time there was a social consensus in the US. It
> was forged during the Great Depression and lasted a long time.
> But in time folks forget what hard times are like, especially
> since even then many people held jobs and didn't suffer much
> at all.


--

[John S. Wilkins]

The race will survive. The civilisation won't.

[chris thompson]

Thanks for the offer, but the spiders are too damned big around there.

Chris

[Frank J]

On 20 Dec, 10:17, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
> bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
> (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
> even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
> inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
> replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
> News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.
>
> Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
> happen.
>
> To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
> What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
> going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
> little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.
>
> Chris

By some measures, no one on earth is to the right of me. But I'll be
the first to admit that govt. programs can, and often, do, work.
Sometimes even more efficiently and effectively as private
alternatives. Though both can be infected with a bureaucracy that
sucks the life out of everything in its path. I hope that's not the
case for you, and that you are able to have a great holiday, and have
everything back to normal very soon.

[Paul J Gans]

Yup.

[Paul J Gans]

It would leave most of the country intact, but buried in a huge
amount of volcanic ash and the like. And it would likely end
any worries about global warming for a while.

[*Hemidactylus*]

On 12/20/2012 10:17 AM, chris thompson wrote:
> An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
> bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
> (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
> even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
> inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
> replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
> News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.
>
> Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
> happen.
>
> To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
> What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
> going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
> little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.

Reciprocal altruism.

[Paul J Gans]

I think you have more folks agreeing with you than you know.

[*Hemidactylus*]

On 12/20/2012 10:25 PM, Richard Clayton wrote:

> On 20-Dec-12 10:17, chris thompson wrote:
>> An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
>> bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
>> (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
>> even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
>> inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
>> replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
>> News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.
>

> Wu! Glad to hear it. I imagine you could use some good news right about
> now. (And the small fraction of my hard-earned income that is taxed to
> pay for social benefit programs like that? MONEY. WELL. SPENT.)

>
>> Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
>> happen.
>>
>> To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
>> What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
>> going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
>> little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.
>

> Well, I suppose you could argue I'm a tiny bit "poorer" than I'd be if I
> didn't have to pay taxes. Because, as every good economic libertarian
> knows, highways, schools, power lines, and police stations are built by
> magic pixies and have absolutely no front-loaded costs.

If it means I don't pay taxes to the evil ones I'm willing to drive over
pot holes and pay private ferries around collapsed bridges and deal with
a home educated populace. And I will save myself from a fire or
self-resuscitate if I succumb to smoke. And if the Homeland is
threatened by an overseas force I will paddle a canoe to meet it with a
kitchen knife and a loyal dog who keeps peeing in the boat at every
strange sound.

[Bob Berger]

In article <kb5bp0$g8d$8...@reader1.panix.com>, Paul J Gans says...

See:

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/volcanoes/yellowstone/yellowstone_sub_page_50.html

The effects depend, in part, on the type of magma released. A basaltic eruption
would likely give you mostly lava flows (which really wouldn't cover a whole lot
of surface area), and not so much ash and pumice. A more rhyolitic eruption, on
the other hand, would probably spread LOTS of ash and pumice over a VERY large
area, mostly to the east of Yellowstone. (Note: Seattle is east of Yellowstone,
if you go far enough east :-).

What I suggest for you folks in and around New York, Paul, is to look out the
window each morning. If it's raining bison, Yellowstone probably erupted.

>And it would likely end any worries about global warming for a while.

We'd then be able to worry about global cooling. Every (ash) cloud has a silver
lining.

[jillery]

On 22 Dec 2012 15:20:59 -0800, Bob Berger <Bob_m...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

According to your cite, Yellowstone has produced three caldera-forming
eruptions 2.1mya, 1.3mya, and 640kya. According to Wikipedia, 142 or
more caldera-forming eruptions occurred from the Yellowstone hotspot
in the last 17 million years. To my knowledge, there are no reported
mass extinctions associated with these events. One of these is the
event which helped create one of my favorite places, Ashfall Fossil
Beds in northeast Nebraska, which graphically demonstrates how being
downwind would be detrimental to your heath.

Still, that's a long, long way from the Armageddon implied by saying
there would be no safe place on Earth. Yellowstone eruptions are a
spit in the bucket in comparison to truly Earth-shattering events like
the Chixulub impact. Even then, that killed only about half of land
species on Earth, and ocean life hardly noticed it.

[Ernest Major]

In message <14ucd8dqj3i0qm3uo...@4ax.com>, jillery
<69jp...@gmail.com> writes

Ammonites, belemnites and rudists went extinct at the K-T boundary.
Several other marine groups underwent large reductions in diversity
(e.g., fide Wikipedia, 98% of colonial coral species).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KT_Extinction

I suspect that 50% of terrestrial species is also an underestimate, at
least for vertebrates.
--
alias Ernest Major

[jillery]

The K-T extinction was distinctive in especially affecting large
animals. Since the land megafauna of the time were vertebrates, your
suspicion doesn't surprise me at all.

I apologize that in the process of pointing out that the K-T
extinction was primarily of land-based species, as contrasted to say
the Permian extinction, I might have understated the loss of ocean
species. Hopefully, you won't use that to dismiss the substance of my
argument.

[Frank J]

On 22 Dec, 17:29, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised. Even more than in science/pseudoscience
"debates," when the subject is the "dismal science" (economics) it
invariably degenerates into one of 2 strawmen.

>
> --
> � �--- Paul J. Gans- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Richard Clayton]

And I can test my own food for parasites, toxin, and disease, and my own
water and air for pollution. And if any of those things make me sick, I
can hire my own scientists to prove it and then hire my own lawyers for
a lawsuit against the deep-pocketed industries that poisoned me.

--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"I keep six honest serving men (they taught me all I knew); their names
are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who." � Rudyard Kipling

[Mitchell Coffey]

Particularly if you're buried under those ashes.

Mitchell

[Mitchell Coffey]

I think you have more folks agreeing with you than you know. Which two
strawmen? I mean this without sarcasm; I was an economics by training
and I can think of a few more than that.

Mitchell Coffey

[Paul J Gans]

I believe Washington is far enough away so that you'd only
have to sweep your driveway with a broom.

[Bob Berger]

In article <kbavrs$l3i$7...@reader1.panix.com>, Paul J Gans says...

Yeah, but sweeping bison off your driveway with a broom is damn hard.

[jillery]

On 24 Dec 2012 19:10:23 -0800, Bob Berger <Bob_m...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

If such were required, it would be because they escaped from the local
zoo.

[Bob Berger]

In article <b3bid89shpu4057ei...@4ax.com>, jillery says...

Or, more likely, from one of the many farms/ranches in the area that have them.

[Mitchell Coffey]

Don't you think we know that? That's what the double compound bow
hangin' next t' the front door's for.

Mitchell Coffey

[jillery]

On 24 Dec 2012 20:49:13 -0800, Bob Berger <Bob_m...@newsguy.com>

Yeppers. The emphasis is on 'local'. A Yellowstone Caldera explosion
is simply not the world destroyer they hyperbole implies. Even the
Toba eruption was bigger than any Yellowstone eruption in the past,
and the world coped with it just fine.

[Bob Berger]

In article <l3pid8dpvuqa3ilii...@4ax.com>, jillery says...

But the Yellowstone Super Volcano is a great excuse for folks to produce silly
doomsday documentaries by the arm load. Some of the recent ones FAR sillier than
in the past. The Science Channel should be embarrassed for having aired them;
but then they should be embarrassed about a whole lot their "science" these
days. Grumble, grumble, grumble...

[jillery]

On 25 Dec 2012 11:37:16 -0800, Bob Berger <Bob_m...@newsguy.com>

True dat. After I paid good money to watch "Armageddon" use a
mini-gun on a mission to save Earth from cosmic disaster, I am inured
to silly science from mass media.

[Paul J Gans]

Except for the problems generated, yes.

[Bob Berger]

In article <kbbesu$j8d$4...@dont-email.me>, Mitchell Coffey says...

An RPG would be more useful than a bow. :-)

And Mitchell, you need to be careful; you'll incur the wrath of TO if you get me
started telling buffalo tales again. They're really fascinating critters.

[SkyEyes]

On Dec 22, 6:56�am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The trick is to live *in* the city, not on the outskirts. I haven't
seen anything bigger than a Black Widow since I lived in Casas Adobes
in 1982.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist

[jillery]

On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:57:48 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans

According to the best evidence, the exceptions you mention were local.

[Paul J Gans]

I don't think so. I think that a couple of years of reduced
sunshine could easily produce world-wide famine.

The area that would be affected by a major Yellowstone event is
probably the most important farmland in the world. I don't know
how long it takes to convert volcanic ash to fertile soil, but I
am sure it is measured in units of many years.

[jillery]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 00:23:37 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans

Now you're waffling. Assuming for argument's sake past eruptions
caused world-wide famine, the world's biota still managed to survive
without obvious loss of species, ie they coped. I suppose some
endemic species were wiped out, but their existence came and went
unrecorded. Life continued on without them.

>The area that would be affected by a major Yellowstone event is
>probably the most important farmland in the world. I don't know
>how long it takes to convert volcanic ash to fertile soil, but I
>am sure it is measured in units of many years.

Maybe so, but that loss would not make humans extinct.

Don't you think it would save you some trouble if you argued the
actual point that was made?

[Mitchell Coffey]

You know buffalo tales? Like what?

Mitchell Coffey

[Bob Berger]

In article <kbdkmg$o9$1...@dont-email.me>, Mitchell Coffey says...

Let's start with something short: Did you know that by an accident of evolution
all of Yellowstone's bison, both male and female, are named George?

One of my favorites was watching a big adult male give a guy who got too close
in his brand new red Honda his impression of a can opener. In about 10 seconds,
removed both front fenders, the hood, the front grill, the radiator, one front
wheel completely, and the other front tire. Then went back to eating grass.

Then there was an ill tempered buffalo who didn't much like little old ladies
with purple or pink hair.

Or the mass public protest (that went all the way to the White House) when the
Old Faithful Inn's cafeteria started offering on their kid's lunch menu "bison
burgers".

Or, or, or...

[Paul J Gans]

No, because I don't want to be too rough. Google for the
Deccan Traps. I quote from the appropriate Wiki page:

"The Deccan Traps are a large igneous province located on the
Deccan Plateau of west-central India (between 17?????24??N,
73?????74??E) and one of the largest volcanic features on Earth.
They consist of multiple layers of solidified flood basalt that
together are more than 2,000 m (6,562 ft) thick and cover an
area of 500,000 km2 (193,051 sq mi) and a volume of 512,000 km3
(123,000 cu mi)."

The dates for this coincide with one of the largest mass extinctions
on earth.

So yes, it could happen. In Yellowstone we are talking about a
"super" volcano. We don't know what it might do. Judging from
previous eruptions of other large volcanos and the amount
of dust they've put into the atmosphere. In the past that's
been enough to seriously hamper crop production and livestock
feeding for several years. And those were smaller eruptions.

Could it be as bad as the Deccan catastrophe? I don't know.
What evidence there might be is buried under a mile of solidified
basalt.

So no, I'm not ducking the issue.

And don't forget, this is a hypothetical. You know, like
Throom.

[Dale]

On 12/20/2012 10:17 AM, chris thompson wrote:
> An inspector from NYC Rapid Repair program was in the house a little
> bit ago. He told me we had to have the entire first floor rewired
> (yes, that's where the Rockaway Howlerfest happened). He said that
> even if the panels and outlets weren't soaked, anything within 6
> inches of salt water was subject to corrosion, and if we didn't
> replace it we could expect a house fire in 3-6 months. That's the Bad
> News. The Good News is that NYC Rapid Repair will do it for free.
>
> Tell me government programs don't work. Try and convince me- not gonna
> happen.
>
> To make this on-topic: as Paul says so often, we are a social species.
> What goes around, comes around. I had no problem with my tax dollars
> going to help New Orleans after Katrina. I guess it's coming around a
> little bit. We do better as a society than individuals.
>
> Chris
>

the Pilgrims were collectivists

--
Dale

[Mitchell Coffey]

Yes.

> One of my favorites was watching a big adult male give a guy who got too close
> in his brand new red Honda his impression of a can opener. In about 10 seconds,
> removed both front fenders, the hood, the front grill, the radiator, one front
> wheel completely, and the other front tire. Then went back to eating grass.

You'd resent new red Hondas too if you once ruled the grasslands.

> Then there was an ill tempered buffalo who didn't much like little old ladies
> with purple or pink hair.

You don't have to be ill tempered or a buffalo not to like little old

ladies with purple or pink hair.

> Or the mass public protest (that went all the way to the White House) when the
> Old Faithful Inn's cafeteria started offering on their kid's lunch menu "bison
> burgers".

Because real Americans know they're "buffalo," not "bison," whatever the
eggheads say?

> Or, or, or...

There's more?

Mitchell

[jillery]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:08:20 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans

Yeah, I remember all the stories reported of people not dying that
day.

>Could it be as bad as the Deccan catastrophe? I don't know.
>What evidence there might be is buried under a mile of solidified
>basalt.
>
>So no, I'm not ducking the issue.
>
>And don't forget, this is a hypothetical. You know, like
>Throom.

No, the specific reference as stated was the Yellowstone Caldera. You
know, as in *not* a hypothetical. Besides, you're moving the
goalposts. The Deccan Traps resulted from a series of volcanic
events spanning across thousands of years. Wiki also has several
articles relating to the Yellowstone Caldera, and identifies hundreds
of known and quantified past eruptions. The Yellowstone Caldera has
never produced anything like the Deccan Traps.

If you want to go off the wall, let's imagine the Pacific Ring of Fire
exploding all at once and blowing off a chunk of Earth and making a
new Moon. Or the Sun goes supernova. Or the Vogons come to read
their poetry while blasting Earth with their Death Ray. You're right,
it's so much more fun to make things up.

[chris thompson]

On Dec 25, 8:42�pm, Mitchell Coffey <mitchelldotcof...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 12/25/2012 4:04 PM, Bob Berger wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > In article <kbbesu$j8...@dont-email.me>, Mitchell Coffey says...

>
> >> On 12/24/2012 10:10 PM, Bob Berger wrote:

> >>> In article <kbavrs$l3...@reader1.panix.com>, Paul J Gans says...

>
> >>>> Mitchell Coffey <mitchelldotcof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 12/22/2012 5:21 PM, Paul J Gans wrote:

> >>>>>> jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:38:16 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
>

> >>>>>>>> In article <kb06s9$ki...@reader1.panix.com>,

> >>>>>>>> Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article

> >>>>>>>>>> <d236b0bd-49c2-4f7d-81d0-a0fa41c67...@x20g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

I don't think Bob's knowledge of buffalo tale should be made public.

Chris

[chris thompson]

On Dec 25, 10:19�pm, Mitchell Coffey <mitchelldotcof...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 12/25/2012 9:05 PM, Bob Berger wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > In article <kbdkmg$o...@dont-email.me>, Mitchell Coffey says...

>
> >> On 12/25/2012 4:04 PM, Bob Berger wrote:

> >>> In article <kbbesu$j8...@dont-email.me>, Mitchell Coffey says...

>
> >>>> On 12/24/2012 10:10 PM, Bob Berger wrote:

> >>>>> In article <kbavrs$l3...@reader1.panix.com>, Paul J Gans says...

>
> >>>>>> Mitchell Coffey <mitchelldotcof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 12/22/2012 5:21 PM, Paul J Gans wrote:

> >>>>>>>> jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:38:16 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>

> >>>>>>>>>> In article <kb06s9$ki...@reader1.panix.com>,

> >>>>>>>>>> Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In article

> >>>>>>>>>>>> <d236b0bd-49c2-4f7d-81d0-a0fa41c67...@x20g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

When we went to Yellowstone a few years back, they were selling ground
bison in the park supermarket. I loved it- much richer flavor than
ground beef. Rest of the family didn't care for it (not that my wife
and in-laws are much into burgers anyway).

Chris

[chris thompson]

Pioneer societies often are. It helps them survive.

That, despite what many revisionists are wont to tell you. If they
didn't cooperate, they died.

Chris

[jillery]

I don't know about their tales, but their wings taste great!

[Bob Berger]

In article <ej1ld8l0og45k0n6b...@4ax.com>, jillery says...

LOL! Be careful; you could set off another "save the buffalo" protest, like Old
Faithful Inn's "bison burgers" did. :-)

[Mitchell Coffey]

It's leaner and more favorable. An better for one, it is said. And
better for the land the animal evolved upon.

Mitchell

[prawnster]

On Dec 25, 6:43�pm, Dale <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> the Pilgrims were collectivists
>

Yep. Which convinced their young men to be lazy drunks because their
produce went into a common pile to be shared by everyone in the
company. After a year or two of starvation and death, the company
changed this rule and the pilgrims flourished. Hence, the first
Thanksgiving.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~ Brock O'Yumyums, King 47%

[prawnster]

On Dec 25, 8:03�pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Pioneer societies often are. It helps them survive.
>
> That, despite what many revisionists are wont to tell you. If they
> didn't cooperate, they died.
>

Socialism and communism are coercive; free markets are cooperative.
Learn a little econ, Cap'n -- it does the body politic good. And lose
100 pounds, lardass, before you die and no one cares.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~ Brock H'ussein Osama, King
47%

[Earle Jones]

In article <kbgldc$qk4$2...@dont-email.me>,

*
What happened to the bovine/buffalo cross � the so-called "beefalo"?

earle
*

[Bob Berger]

In article <41e3f3ec-528c-417e...@u13g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
chris thompson says...

REALLY?! Do you remember what year that was, and which grocery store? In
particular, was it one of the two at Old Faithful (Upper Geyser Basin), or was
it at one of the other venues: Lake, Fishing Bridge, Mammoth, Canyon?

Because of the Inn's bison burger incident, I'm surprised they'd risk the
backlash. And I'm surprised I missed it; although we don't shop much in park. We
bring most everything with us in the motor home, and then do whatever additional
shopping is necessary in West Yellowstone once or twice a week.

Damn! And here I thought I knew everything...

[Kermit]

On 20 Dec, 14:26, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:26 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.
>
> It's sad to see that the US is going broke by emulating communist
> countries, printed dollar by printed dollar.

I know you would prefer to send your money to folks already richer
than you, but they're never going to let you into their gated
community except as part of a janitorial service.

>
> "Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~ Brock H'ussein O'Yumyums,
> Lord 47%

"I'll just make crap up since I can't find an actual quote to disagree
with."
- prawnster

[Kermit]

> --
> � �--- Paul J. Gans

There are six known super volcanoes only three of which are in the
US...

kermit

[Free Lunch]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:10:36 -0800 (PST), prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com> wrote in talk.origins:

>On Dec 25, 8:03�pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> Pioneer societies often are. It helps them survive.
>>
>> That, despite what many revisionists are wont to tell you. If they
>> didn't cooperate, they died.
>>
>
>Socialism and communism are coercive; free markets are cooperative.

Not really.

>Learn a little econ, Cap'n -- it does the body politic good. And lose
>100 pounds, lardass, before you die and no one cares.
>
>"Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~ Brock H'ussein Osama, King
>47%

What a bigot you are.

[Free Lunch]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:57:21 -0800, Earle Jones
<earle...@comcast.net> wrote in talk.origins:

>What happened to the bovine/buffalo cross ?the so-called "beefalo"?
>
>earle
>*
Still exists. Treated like specialty cattle.

[Paul J Gans]

Kermit <free...@charter.net> wrote:
>On 20 Dec, 14:26, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 8:26 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > [...]
>> > It's nice to see that the US is growing up, baby-step by baby-step.
>>
>> It's sad to see that the US is going broke by emulating communist
>> countries, printed dollar by printed dollar.

>I know you would prefer to send your money to folks already richer
>than you, but they're never going to let you into their gated
>community except as part of a janitorial service.

Not even then. He's too mouthy.

>>
>> "Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~ Brock H'ussein O'Yumyums,
>> Lord 47%

>"I'll just make crap up since I can't find an actual quote to disagree
>with."
>- prawnster

[Paul J Gans]

>> Moral: ?There ain't no place safe. ?That's the fitness part of

>> survival of the fittest.
>>
>> If Yellowstone blows, there'll be no place on earth that is safe.
>>
>> --

>> ? ?--- Paul J. Gans

>There are six known super volcanoes only three of which are in the
>US...

Well, there you go. The problem as I see it is dust in the air
which basically removes the summer growing season(s). If it
removes enough of them, we are in deep do-do.