A message to the Theist-Evolutionist
All-Seeing-I
that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
life. Go on. Look for yorself.
In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
examples, analogies and terminology.
The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
to war against the enemy of God.
If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
6:10-18) for a reason.
Wake up.
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
>In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>examples, analogies and terminology.
>
>The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>to war against the enemy of God.]]
in islam this is called 'jihad'.
we see here that creationists, like their islamsit friends, hate the
human race and want to kill those who dont agree with them. religious
fanaticism...
>
>If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
>thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
>lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
>Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
how many people did jesus kill when they crucified him? answer: none.
he let himself be put to death rather than harm a single
person....even his enemies
>
>Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>6:10-18) for a reason.
'blessed are the peacemakers'....
guess the creationist doesn't know his bible.
creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
much they hate people
Boikat
> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
So, I can assume that whatever wars you claimed wee fought because
science dispelled some infantile bleief, the first shot was fire by
some religious nut-job, like you.
>
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
>
So, now you are calling for the murder of those who do not agree with
you. How retarded can you get?
> If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
And, apparently, you'd gladly slit their throats. And the reason
being: Science has dispelled some aspect of your religious belief.
So much for your lame claim that you were refering to a "culture war",
and not a "shooting war".
>
> Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> Wake up.
It's only a matter of time before they have to come andget you, and
drag you off in a straight jacket. In the mean time....
****************
.***Fuck off***
****************
Boikat
Desertphile
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
Yes, of course: it was written when the Canannite tribal war god
Yahweh was believed to be the leader of the gods. (SHRUG) Why
should anyone give a shit what long-dead ignorant savages
believed?
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Kermit
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>
Oh, they know their bible. They just don't care for the "Give up
everything to the poor" and "love your enemies" parts.
Jesus was so *demanding.
They'd rather just fight the studies of science and history. Paul was
alright; he hated women and gays.
>
> creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
> much they hate people
Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
Kermit
Dana Tweedy
> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
What does this have to do with the factuality of evolution?
>
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
John 3:16 seems to contradict this. Also, Matthew 5:5, Psalms 73:11
>
> If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
All ideas are 'manmade'. Evolution is a fact of nature, and accepting
that fact isn't going against any of Christ's teachings. Accepting
evolution is not being "pacifistic", just practical, and there's no issue of
trying to "please two masters". Science is a tool, not a master.
>
> Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
This is one reason why the KJV is not the best translation. Other
translations put it this way:
"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been
forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it."
http://bible.cc/matthew/11-12.htm
> Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> Wake up.
Those who accept evolution are awake. It's the creationists who need to
face reality.
DJT
RAM
Snip of militant statements.
>
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
What kind of war do you have in mind?
Will it include killling; or will it include proselytizing?
The Bible quote below is ambiguous as usual.
>
Snip of attack on Christian theists.
>
> Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> Wake up.
I am. Should I be concerned for my present life (I know already your
concern for my afterlife).
Tim DeLaney
> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
<snip>
What makes you think that your god needs your feeble
help in defending himself? According to orthodox theology,
God could instantly destroy all his enemies at the twitch of
his nose. (Well, his figurative nose.)
Come to think of it, why hasn't your god destroyed Satan?
Does he think that his creation is somehow enhanced by
the presence of evil?
Taking this one step further, does God allow Satan to exist
because he needs somebody to carry out his plan to
administer everlasting torture to those who he once loved?
I think I'm starting to get it: Satan is just God's "button man"
Tim
Boikat
Actually, he's declairing war against anyone that disagrees with him.
He's a self provlaimed prophet, and thinks his word is the word of the
God-thingy Ass-I(diot) is the one that is calling thristic
evolutionists "enemy's of God" The God-thing seems mute on the
subject, and frankly, I don't think that matters to Monnnkeey-boy
I'm compiling a new list of ASS-I(diot's) last few "meltdown" posts.
But don't worry, I'm not going to use the new list of idiocies as a
sig file. ;)
Boikat
RAM
Uh "button man" is too classy a term for how Christian theology views
Satan. Wouldn't a better descriptor be "hit-man."
Thurisaz the Einherjer
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
*chuckle*
Yeah right, military stuff like "love gawd and love your neighbor", without
any qualifiers or conditions stated.
It's soooo nice to see morontheists don't know shit about their own
scripcha.
--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
My personal judgment of monotheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Tim DeLaney
>
> - Show quoted text -
Same thing.
"Uh, that's right senator. When the boss says 'push a button'
on a guy, I push a button."
"Do you mean you kill people at the behest of your superior?"
"Yes ... "
[ From "Godfather II. Probably not accurate verbatim, but close.]
Tim
SortingItOut
> The true peace ... can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war...
You seem very confused. Not to mention violent.
"We cannot have peace until we eliminate our enemies" is a common "Us
vs. Them" mentality. You're demonstrating why humans have a history
of violence. We may be doomed to live with violence, but us idealists
hope we'll someday rise above it.
Devils Advocaat
Sounds like the All-Seeing-I would make a good recruit into General
Cobb's little army.
All-Seeing-I
Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
All-Seeing-I
Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
come from the word of God.
All-Seeing-I
This is a "spiritual war". Stop being such a dram queen
Kleuskes & Moos
In that case you'd better start LISTENING!
Kleuskes & Moos
No. It's a direct challenge of your insane beliefs that every word in
the bible must be interpreted literally.
SeppoP
Only to idiots' bible. And it already lost the challenge.
-- SeppoP
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Creationism is based on ignorance and dishonesty, it breeds from
ignorance and
dishonesty, and it breeds ignorance and dishonesty. Spreading ignorance and
dishonesty is the lifeblood and sustenance of the creationists.
Wallowing in
ignorance and dishonesty is the natural lifestyle of creationists.
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>come from the word of God.
is that why there are 38,000 chrisitan denominations, each with their
own view of the 'word of god'?
if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 10:18�pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>> All-Seeing-I wrote:
>> > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>> > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>> > life. Go
>>
>> Those who accept evolution are awake. �It's the creationists who need to
>> face reality.
>>
>> DJT
>
>Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
your view of the bible. there are 38,000 xtian denominations. many of
them don't see the bible the way you do.
All-Seeing-I
You watch too much television. You did not describe the God of the
bible. You described the God of science fiction.
But you have raised the most intersting question of all. "Why did God
not kill satan"?
What kind of eternity would we have if God simply did away waith
Satan? It has to be clear to all that Satan deserved something like a
complete destruction. Not everyone knows he is the cause of mankind's
problems.
God's enemy has been countering good for evil step by step. Hitler was
a
supernatiral event for the darker side of things
"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in
his
field: but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the
wheat,
and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up and brought forth
fruit,
then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came
and
said unto him, Sir, didst thou not sow good seed in thy field? From
whence
then has it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The
servants
said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he
said,
Nay: lest while ye gather up the tares ye root up also the wheat with
them.
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I
will
say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares and bind them
in
bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."
- Matthew 13:24-30, KJV
God sowed the good seed. (humans) after creating the universe and the
earth.
The enemy is satan. The seed was satan and ilk taking on human bodies
and
mating with mortal women. The servants are God's loyal Angels that did
not
leave their proper places and sleep with mortal women.
Everything became corrupted. God created a Garden with Adam to bring
forth a
pure blood line that had not mixed with Angels. From this bloodline
would
come the last Adam, the messiah that would bruise the head of the one
that
has caused so much destruction on the earth. But the Adam and Eve made
the
wrong choice also. They fell prey to the temptations on the earth. The
sins
and corruption became so bad on earth that man's blood cried to the
gates of
heaven. God's loyal servents asked God if they should go pull up the
bad
wheat or tares. But God said no, since some good may get pulled up
with the
bad.
On the last day God will say:
in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together
first
the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat
into
my barn.
All-Seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nonsense. The bible says what it says even when it speaks
metaphorically.
The problem is you can/t read
All-Seeing-I
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:07:32 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>
>
> >Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
> >come from the word of God.
>
> is that why there are 38,000 chrisitan denominations, each with their
> own view of the 'word of god'?
>
> if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
Egos. Power trips, external influences. There are many reasons.
Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
All-Seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
A button man is a hit man you moron
All-Seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
The bible plainly says there will be false teachers. Evolution is
false doctrine taught by false teachers. It has nothing to do with the
Bible.
Evolution has to be rationalized into the bible by fools that do not
understand exactly what the bible telling them, even though that have
been warned ahead of time that false teachers would appear as wolf's
in sheep's clothing.
The entire book from start to finish is about spiritual warfare. First
in the garden with mankind being led away from God all the way to a
final battle to take place at the end.
All-Seeing-I
Yes he was. When he sent his 72 out to teach in his name he said "I
send you out like sheep among wolves". Evolution is a modern day wolf
keeping people the truth.
>
> They'd rather just fight the studies of science and history. Paul was
> alright; he hated women and gays.
So you think Paul was cool because he hated women and Gay's? How
intresting.
>
>
> > creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
> > much they hate people
>
> Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
They hate incorrect knowledge. There is nothing about evolution in the
bible. Get it?
Jim
<snip>
>
> They hate incorrect knowledge. There is nothing about evolution in the
> bible. Get it?
Either your interpretation of the bible is mistaken or God lied in
creating the world to look exactly as if evolution is the reason for
life's diversity. It's your choice - but calling God a liar is a
little over the top.
Frank J
> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
>
> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
"Pacifistic Christians" are only a subset of TEs, who why did you
address the latter in your subject line?
In fact many (most?) "Pacifistic Christians" are *not* TEs but
evolution-deniers.
I'm a TE, but neither Christian nor "pacifistic." And like noted
*Christian anti-evolution activist* Michael Behe I don't care what the
Bible says about "what happened when" because I take the stories
allegorically, not literally.
>
> Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> Wake up.
So you can sleep. I get it.
Frank J
> On Dec 12, 8:31 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
> Snip of militant statements.
>
>
>
> > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > to war against the enemy of God.
>
> What kind of war do you have in mind?
>
> Will it include killling; or will it include proselytizing?
Boring us to death qualifies as both.
Frank J
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>
> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
> >There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> >that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> >life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> >In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> >examples, analogies and terminology.
>
>
> in islam this is called 'jihad'.
>
> we see �here that creationists, like their islamsit friends, hate the
> human race and want to kill those who dont agree with them. religious
> fanaticism...
The radical Islamists *are* creationists. They are not "friends" of
the kinds of creationist you encounter in the US, but the 2 groups are
each other's "useful idiots."
>
>
>
> >If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
> >thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> >follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> >lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> >Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>
> how many people did jesus kill when they crucified him? answer: none.
> he let himself be put to death rather than harm a single
> person....even his enemies
>
>
>
> >Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> >of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> >Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> >6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> 'blessed are the peacemakers'....
>
> guess the creationist doesn't know his bible.
>
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>On Dec 13, 5:21�am, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:07:32 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>> >come from the word of God.
>>
>> is that why there are 38,000 chrisitan denominations, each with their
>> own view of the 'word of god'?
>>
>> if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
>
>Egos. Power trips, external influences. There are many reasons.
creationism fits here.
>
>Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
creationism fits here
>
>It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
the 'oxford history of christianity' says there are 30,000. wikipedia
says 38,000
take your pick
so your view is just 1 among tens of thousands. some 'word of god' you
god there
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>The bible plainly says there will be false teachers. Evolution is
>false doctrine taught by false teachers. It has nothing to do with the
>Bible.
>
>Evolution has to be rationalized into the bible by fools that do not
>understand exactly what the bible telling them, even though that have
>been warned ahead of time that false teachers would appear as wolf's
>in sheep's clothing.
this is your view of the bible. it's an opinion. it's WRONG, but it's
an opinion.
there are 38,000 christian denominations. most of them arent
literalist like you are.
>
>The entire book from start to finish is about spiritual warfare. First
>in the garden with mankind being led away from God all the way to a
>final battle to take place at the end.
and you add to the bible the idea that it's literally true.
you should read 'revelation' to see what happens to those who 'add to
the book'.
it' aint pretty
J.J. O'Shea
(in article
<cc0b787d-4311-46ed...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>):
> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
>
> If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>
> Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> Wake up.
>
And once again Madman goes way out of his way to show that he's nothing more
than a hell-bound heretic.
--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>Yes he was. When he sent his 72 out to teach in his name he said "I
>send you out like sheep among wolves". Evolution is a modern day wolf
>keeping people the truth.
actually, so is the idea that one must 'believe in the bible' to be a
christian. this has a pedigree shorter than evolution. it was invented
at the niagra conference in 1878.
the oldest statement of christian belief, the nicene creed, doesn't
even MENTION the bible.
>
>>
>> > creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
>> > much they hate people
>>
>> Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
>
>They hate incorrect knowledge. There is nothing about evolution in the
>bible. Get it?
there's nothing about quantum physics in the bible either. yet it runs
your computer.
when you gonna tell god THAT little problem with his book?
Erwin Moller
> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
>
> If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>
> Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> Wake up.
>
Madman,
I am a bit suprised by your latest posting.
I never pictured you a violent man. A disturbed man, yes, but not
violent/dangerous.
Maybe I was totally wrong about you. Maybe you have the same moral
standards as any religious zealot who bombs away innocent civilians
without a doubt in his closed mind.
Maybe you just changed your trolling strategy.
I seriously hope the latter.
Erwin Moller
--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
All-Seeing-I
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:37:41 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>
There is only one version. Many flavors. You fail to see that.
All demoniations meet on the main points.
Those that do not meet on the valid main points as described in the
bible are not true Christians. Jesus even said they would come
teaching in his name but these false teachers are really just wolfs in
sheep's clothing.
If the evolutionist had an attention span bigger then a fly they could
see the difference.
Rolf
> All-Seeing-I schreef:
>> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>
>> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>> examples, analogies and terminology.
>>
>> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>> to war against the enemy of God.
>>
>> If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
>> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed
>> a lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
>> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>>
>> Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the
>> kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by
>> force." Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor
>> (Eph. 6:10-18) for a reason.
>>
taken seriously, but in any event, since the Kingdom of Heaven is a
spiritiual concept, ("The Kingdom of Heaven is within.", "Flesh and blood
shall not inherit heaven") it should be understood that spiritual weapons
are of course just that, not Kalashnikov's or plastic explosives.
Nobody can shoot or bomb his way into heaven.
Even an idiot should understand that.
bpuharic
>>
>> >Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
>>
>> creationism fits here
>>
>>
>>
>> >It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
>>
>> the 'oxford history of christianity' says there are 30,000. wikipedia
>> says 38,000
>>
>> take your pick
>>
>> so your view is just 1 among tens of thousands. some 'word of god' you
>> god there
>
>There is only one version. Many flavors. You fail to see that.
>
>All demoniations meet on the main points.
and few of them agree your view of the bible is correct. in fact, it's
a fatal failing of your view: many of these denominations are 'bible'
churches, each with their view of the bible
you're attempting to whitewash a glaring failure in your position. if
these were just 'flavors' your literalist view would be expressed in
creedal statements,
as it is in some of them. SOME of them consider you view so important
that they include it in their statements of beliefs
MANY do not.
so your view that there's 'one' view of the bible is wrong. few
denominations agree on sola scriptura, for example.
how do you reconcile THAT view of the bible with your that it's
literally true?
your view is fatally flawed. it's a view shared by few denominations.
in a way you're right; they agree on major points
your view is not among these points.
so either THEY are all wrong or YOU are wrong.
and that's a direct result of your view of 'flavors'.
>
>Those that do not meet on the valid main points as described in the
>bible are not true Christians.
there are 38,000 churches. w hich has the 'valid main points?'
Jesus even said they would come
>teaching in his name but these false teachers are really just wolfs in
>sheep's clothing.
>
>If the evolutionist had an attention span bigger then a fly they could
>see the difference.
you can't even tell us how you can make this statement when your
statement itself leads to your position being wrong.
few of them agree on the role of the bible in their beliefs. few of
them even agree WHICH books belong in the bible
SOME of them are literalist. most christians are not. and those that
are not
have a view of the bible THOUSANDS of years older than your view is.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <hg2os5$56f$1...@news.albasani.net>):
Unfortunately Madman's IQ is _considerably_ below the level required to
qualify as an idiot.
Ye Old One
>There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
>In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>examples, analogies and terminology.
Because it was mostly written by a warlike people who worshiped a
warlike god.
>
>The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>to war against the enemy of God.
As long as there are idiots who claim that then there will always be
war.
--
Bob.
People may not always remember exactly what you said, but they will
always remember just how bright you made them feel.
Ye Old One
<allse...@usa.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Dec 12, 9:54�pm, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 6:47�pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> > <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>> > >There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>> > >that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>> > >life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>
>> > >In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>> > >examples, analogies and terminology.
>>
>> > >The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>> > >to war against the enemy of God.]]
>>
>> > in islam this is called 'jihad'.
>>
>> > we see �here that creationists, like their islamsit friends, hate the
>> > human race and want to kill those who dont agree with them. religious
>> > fanaticism...
>>
>> > >If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
>> > >thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>> > >follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
>> > >lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
>> > >Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>>
>> > how many people did jesus kill when they crucified him? answer: none.
>> > he let himself be put to death rather than harm a single
>> > person....even his enemies
>>
>> > >Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>> > >of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>> > >Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>> > >6:10-18) for a reason.
>>
>> > 'blessed are the peacemakers'....
>>
>> > guess the creationist doesn't know his bible.
>>
>> Oh, they know their bible. They just don't care for the "Give up
>> everything to the poor" and "love your enemies" parts.
>>
>> Jesus was so *demanding.
>>
>> They'd rather just fight the studies of science and history. Paul was
>> alright; he hated women and gays.
>>
>>
>>
>> > creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
>> > much they hate people
>>
>> Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
>>
>> Kermit
>
>Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>come from the word of God.
Since gods are the invention of primitive man you are just talking
rubbish as usual.
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
Science causes disease.
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited
some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of
rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me
laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle
East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah
and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
The [Dropa] stone is real, the troglodytes exist, the graves are
there, many books have been written on the subject...
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to?
Certainly I don't.
--
Bob.
Free Lunch
<allse...@usa.com> wrote in talk.origins:
>On Dec 13, 6:34�am, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:37:41 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 13, 5:21�am, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:07:32 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> >> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>> >> >come from the word of God.
>>
>> >> is that why there are 38,000 chrisitan denominations, each with their
>> >> own view of the 'word of god'?
>>
>> >> if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
>>
>> >Egos. Power trips, external influences. There are many reasons.
>>
>> creationism fits here.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
>>
>> creationism fits here
>>
>>
>>
>> >It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
>>
>> the 'oxford history of christianity' says there are 30,000. wikipedia
>> says 38,000
>>
>> take your pick
>>
>> so your view is just 1 among tens of thousands. some 'word of god' you
>> god there
>
>There is only one version. Many flavors. You fail to see that.
>
>All demoniations meet on the main points.
Which are?
>Those that do not meet on the valid main points as described in the
>bible are not true Christians.
Long ago, Christians agreed that the valid main points, the definition
of Christianity, is the Nicene Creed. Do you agree that the Nicene Creed
is the definition of Christianity and that every sect that rejects
creeds is not Christian.
>Jesus even said they would come
>teaching in his name but these false teachers are really just wolfs in
>sheep's clothing.
You are one such false teacher.
>If the evolutionist had an attention span bigger then a fly they could
>see the difference.
You are proud that you are an ignorant lying fool.
Free Lunch
<allse...@usa.com> wrote in talk.origins:
>On Dec 13, 5:17�am, "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleu...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> On 13 dec, 12:07, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
...
>> > Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>> > come from the word of God.
>>
>> In that case you'd better start LISTENING!
>
>The bible plainly says there will be false teachers.
You are one such false teacher.
>Evolution is
>false doctrine taught by false teachers. It has nothing to do with the
>Bible.
I agree that it has nothing to do with the Bible, but evolution happens
anyway. You have chosen to lie about this because of your interpretation
of the Bible.
>Evolution has to be rationalized into the bible by fools that do not
>understand exactly what the bible telling them, even though that have
>been warned ahead of time that false teachers would appear as wolf's
>in sheep's clothing.
No, evolution doesn't have anything to do with the Bible which is why it
is wrong for you to insist on turning this into a religious doctrine.
>The entire book from start to finish is about spiritual warfare. First
>in the garden with mankind being led away from God all the way to a
>final battle to take place at the end.
You, then, are a fifth columnist in God's Army because you have chosen
to remain ignorant, foolish and lie.
Free Lunch
<deser...@invalid-address.net> wrote in talk.origins:
>On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
><allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>> examples, analogies and terminology.
>
>Yes, of course: it was written when the Canannite tribal war god
>Yahweh was believed to be the leader of the gods. (SHRUG) Why
>should anyone give a shit what long-dead ignorant savages
>believed?
And let's not forget that the Lord of Sabaoth was their war god.
Kleuskes & Moos
Ok. That's in the bible, allright. It does not refer to science, but
to those who subvert the message of the bible and like to gain stature
as preachers (e.g. Televangelists). See also Matthew 6:5.
> Evolution is false doctrine taught by false teachers.
That's just your opinion. Which is _NOT_ in the bible.
> It has nothing to do with the Bible.
That's a general statement of fact no-one in their right mind will
disagree with.
So here's a perfect example of how a bible-verse is being subverted by
adding your own opinions sandwiched between a legit biblical statement
and a vigourous kicking in of open doors. Youmight actually believe
the statement is supported by the bible, but if you look closely, your
merely trying to twist the bible to suit your own narrow-minded ends.
So i would consider that a False Teaching.
> Evolution has to be rationalized into the bible by fools that do not
> understand exactly what the bible telling them, even though that have
> been warned ahead of time that false teachers would appear as wolf's
> in sheep's clothing.
Isn't there a passage in the bible warning NOT to call anybody a fool?
Matthew 5:22...
> The entire book from start to finish is about spiritual warfare.
Quite right. It is not about science, nor the origin of species.
> First in the garden with mankind being led away from God all the way to a
> final battle to take place at the end.
Sure. Go study some scripture and leave you prejudices at the doorwhan
you do so.
Free Lunch
wrote in talk.origins:
>On Dec 12, 10:30�pm, Tim DeLaney <delaney.timo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 9:31�pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>> > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>> > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>> > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>
>> > In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>> > examples, analogies and terminology.
>>
>> > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>> > to war against the enemy of God.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> What makes you think that your god needs your feeble
>> help in defending himself? �According to orthodox theology,
>> God could instantly destroy all his enemies at the twitch of
>> his nose. �(Well, his figurative nose.)
>>
>> Come to think of it, why hasn't your god destroyed Satan?
>> Does he think that his creation is somehow enhanced by
>> the presence of evil?
>>
>> Taking this one step further, does God allow Satan to exist
>> because he needs somebody to carry out his plan to
>> administer everlasting torture to those who he once loved?
>>
>> I think I'm starting to get it: �Satan is just God's "button man"
>>
>> Tim
>
>Uh "button man" is too classy a term for how Christian theology views
>Satan. Wouldn't a better descriptor be "hit-man."
And gambling partner. Let's not forget God's bar bet with Satan in Job.
Free Lunch
talk.origins:
>On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:05:35 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
><allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 12, 10:18�pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>>> All-Seeing-I wrote:
>>> > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>>> > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>>> > life. Go
>>>
>>> Those who accept evolution are awake. �It's the creationists who need to
>>> face reality.
>>>
>>> DJT
>>
>>Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
>
>your view of the bible. there are 38,000 xtian denominations. many of
>them don't see the bible the way you do.
The vast majority of Christians belong to church bodies that have no
problem at all with the discoveries about life, the universe and
everything else that scientists have made. It's only a few
science-ignorant fools who insist on a supposedly 'literal' reading of
the Bible that makes the Bible completely wrong.
Free Lunch
>On Dec 12, 10:18�pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>> All-Seeing-I wrote:
>> > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>> > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>> > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>
>> What does this have to do with the factuality of evolution?
>>
>>
>>
>> > In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>> > examples, analogies and terminology.
>>
>> > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>> > to war against the enemy of God.
>>
>> John 3:16 seems to contradict this. � Also, Matthew 5:5, Psalms 73:11
>>
>>
>>
>> > If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
>> > thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>> > follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
>> > lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
>> > Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>>
>> All ideas are 'manmade'. � �Evolution is a fact of nature, and accepting
>> that fact isn't going against any of Christ's teachings. � �Accepting
>> evolution is not being "pacifistic", just practical, and there's no issue of
>> trying to "please two masters". � Science is a tool, not a master.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>> > of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>>
>> This is one reason why the KJV is not the best translation. � Other
>> translations put it this way:
>> "From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been
>> forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it."http://bible.cc/matthew/11-12.htm
>>
>> > Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>> > 6:10-18) for a reason.
>>
>> > Wake up.
>>
>> Those who accept evolution are awake. �It's the creationists who need to
>> face reality.
>>
>> DJT
>
>Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
Then, with your interpretation of the Bible, the Bible lost.
Now, do you want to make the Bible lose or do you want to find a way to
interpret the Bible that does not make it false?
Your choice. I'm betting that you will continue dishonesty.
g...@risky-biz.com
> On Dec 12, 10:30 pm, Tim DeLaney <delaney.timo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> > > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> > > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> > > examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> > > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > > to war against the enemy of God.
>
>
> > What makes you think that your god needs your feeble
> > help in defending himself? According to orthodox theology,
> > God could instantly destroy all his enemies at the twitch of
> > his nose. (Well, his figurative nose.)
>
> > Come to think of it, why hasn't your god destroyed Satan?
> > Does he think that his creation is somehow enhanced by
> > the presence of evil?
>
> > Taking this one step further, does God allow Satan to exist
> > because he needs somebody to carry out his plan to
> > administer everlasting torture to those who he once loved?
>
> > I think I'm starting to get it: Satan is just God's "button man"
>
> > Tim
>
> bible. You described the God of science fiction.
>
> But you have raised the most intersting question of all. "Why did God
> not kill satan"?
Which you have still avoided answering.
> What kind of eternity would we have if God simply did away waith
> Satan? It has to be clear to all that Satan deserved something like a
> complete destruction. Not everyone knows he is the cause of mankind's
> problems.
Satan, created by and allowed to remain by God, causes the "problems"
that God will later punish us for in agony for eternity. Is it really
any wonder that some of us don't find this story compelling?
> God's enemy has been countering good for evil step by step. Hitler was
> a
> supernatiral event for the darker side of things
Easily prevented by an all powerful God.
> "The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in
> his
> field: but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the
> wheat,
> and went his way.
Poor analogy. For a man, such an enemy might be impossible to find, or
difficult to eliminate once found. God would know the enemy, see the
deed in progress and have the power to eliminate the enemy at will.
That He does not requires an explanation.
But when the blade was sprung up and brought forth
> fruit,
> then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came
> and
> said unto him, Sir, didst thou not sow good seed in thy field? From
> whence
> then has it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The
> servants
> said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he
> said,
> Nay: lest while ye gather up the tares ye root up also the wheat with
> them.
Bad analogy again. God, unbound by the limitations of human
agricultural technology, could easily select only the "tares" and
remove them. Or convert the "tares" into wheat. Or most efficiently,
cause "tares" and the sower of tares not to exist.
> Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I
> will
> say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares and bind them
> in
> bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."
> - Matthew 13:24-30, KJV
> God sowed the good seed. (humans) after creating the universe and the
> earth.
> The enemy is satan. The seed was satan and ilk taking on human bodies
> and
> mating with mortal women.
Was God asleep when this happened? Did he not foresee it? Even the
feeble human mind would expect no small mischief from the likes of
Satan; why was God's perception less acute?
The servants are God's loyal Angels that did
> not
> leave their proper places and sleep with mortal women.
To many of us, language like this is clear evidence that Scripture is
of human origin. Man imagines angels with human lust.
> Everything became corrupted.
Creationists always retreat to the passive voice at this juncture of
the story. Everything "became" corrupted. God is all and creates all.
If something "becomes" corrupted, it must be by God's power and with
God's acquiescence.
> God created a Garden with Adam to bring
> forth a
> pure blood line that had not mixed with Angels.
Could he not have simply prevented the mixing? Or made such unions
impossible? Or at least unfruitful? Could he not, before making Man,
do away with the troublesome angels?
From this bloodline
> would
> come the last Adam, the messiah that would bruise the head of the one
> that
> has caused so much destruction on the earth. But the Adam and Eve made
> the
> wrong choice also. They fell prey to the temptations on the earth. The
> sins
> and corruption became so bad on earth that man's blood cried to the
> gates of
> heaven. God's loyal servents asked God if they should go pull up the
> bad
> wheat or tares. But God said no, since some good may get pulled up
> with the
> bad.
Utter and complete nonsense. Why could a God with the power to create
the universe in all its grandeur and subtlety not pull up only the
bad? Or prevent the sowing of the bad in the first place?
> On the last day God will say:
> in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together
> first
> the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat
> into
> my barn.
And again, God will punish us for the evil He created and gave power
to. Such a God is clearly the work of Man, rather than the other way
around.
Greg Guarino
bpuharic
wrote:
yeah it's ironic that his point....christians agree on most points of
theology....argues against his point that a belief the bible is
ilterally true is one of these points
Eric Root
> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>
So what?
> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> examples, analogies and terminology.
>
So what?
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
>
Struggling with creationists fits that to a "T".
> If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
> thinking you can believe a manmade idea
Such as creationism.
> while claiming to be a
> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> lie.
Which would be creationists, who think the crazy, man-made idea that
the Bible trumps objective reality.
> You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
Yes, God and truth. Unlike creationists, who try to serve two
masters, screwball notions like Biblical inerrancy, and their own
hatred of smart people, leaving god out altogether.
> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>
And you are the haters that would love to slaughter us.
> Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
When the creationists will be whipped from the Temple.
> Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> Wake up
Every time you communicate, I thank God that, for all my faults, at
least he hasn't saddled me with all your blatant faults and
weaknesses.
Eric Root
heekster
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 9:54�pm, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 6:47�pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> > <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>> > >There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>> > >that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>> > >life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>
>> > >In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>> > >examples, analogies and terminology.
>>
>> > >The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>> > >to war against the enemy of God.]]
>>
>> > in islam this is called 'jihad'.
>>
>> > we see �here that creationists, like their islamsit friends, hate the
>> > human race and want to kill those who dont agree with them. religious
>> > fanaticism...
>>
>> > >If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
>> > >thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>> > >follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
>> > >lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
>> > >Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>>
>> > how many people did jesus kill when they crucified him? answer: none.
>> > he let himself be put to death rather than harm a single
>> > person....even his enemies
>>
>> > >Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>> > >of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>> > >Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>> > >6:10-18) for a reason.
>>
>> > 'blessed are the peacemakers'....
>>
>> > guess the creationist doesn't know his bible.
>>
>> Oh, they know their bible. They just don't care for the "Give up
>> everything to the poor" and "love your enemies" parts.
>>
>> Jesus was so *demanding.
>>
>> They'd rather just fight the studies of science and history. Paul was
>> alright; he hated women and gays.
>>
>>
>>
>> > creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
>> > much they hate people
>>
>> Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
>>
>> Kermit
>
>Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>come from the word of God.
What is the source of your magnificent imbecility?
heekster
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>On Dec 13, 5:17�am, "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleu...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> In that case you'd better start LISTENING!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The bible quack plainly says quack quack there will be false teachers. quack quack quack quack Evolution is
>false doctrine taught by false teachers. quack quack quack quack quack quack quack It has nothing to do with the
>Bible. quack quack quack quack quack quack
>
>Evolution has to be rationalized quack quack quack quack quack quack quack into the bible by fools quack >quack quack quack quack that do not
>understand exactly what the bible quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack telling >them,quack quack quack quack quack quack even though that have
>been warned ahead of time that false teachers quack quack quack quack would appear as wolf's
>in sheep's clothing. quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack
>The entire book from start to finish is about quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack >quack quack spiritual warfare.quack quack quack quack quack quack First
>in the garden with mankind being led away from quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack >quack quack quack quack quack quack quack God all the way to a
>final battle to take place at the end.quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack >quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack >quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack >quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack >quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack >quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack
You're a quack.
Eric Root
> false doctrine taught by false teachers.
Not a doctrine at all. It's science pure and simple.
> It has nothing to do with the
> Bible.
Neither does chemistry or physics. It's fqalse teachers who pretend
otherwise.
>
> Evolution has to be rationalized into the bible by fools
No, it doesn't.
> that do not
> understand exactly what the bible telling them, even though that have
> been warned ahead of time that false teachers would appear as wolf's
> in sheep's clothing.
>
Yes, we understand. Fundamentalists/creationists are the wolves
insheep's clothing, trying to get us to worship a glolden calf (=a
magic inerrant Bible) and to insult the actual work of God, the world
itself.
> The entire book from start to finish is about spiritual warfare. First
> in the garden with mankind being led away from God all the way to a
> final battle to take place at the end.
And the creationists are on the side of the bad guys.
Eric Root
Eric Root
> On Dec 12, 9:54锟絧m, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 6:47锟絧m, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>
> > > <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > >There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> > > >that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> > > >life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> > > >In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> > > >examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> > > >The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > > >to war against the enemy of God.]]
>
> > > in islam this is called 'jihad'.
>
> > > human race and want to kill those who dont agree with them. religious
> > > fanaticism...
>
> > > >If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
> > > >thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> > > >follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> > > >lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> > > >Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>
> > > how many people did jesus kill when they crucified him? answer: none.
> > > he let himself be put to death rather than harm a single
> > > person....even his enemies
>
> > > >Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> > > >of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> > > >Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
> > > >6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> > > 'blessed are the peacemakers'....
>
> > > guess the creationist doesn't know his bible.
>
> > Oh, they know their bible. They just don't care for the "Give up
> > everything to the poor" and "love your enemies" parts.
>
> > Jesus was so *demanding.
>
> send you out like sheep among wolves". Evolution is a modern day wolf
> keeping people the truth.
>
>
>
> > alright; he hated women and gays.
>
> intresting.
>
>
>
> > > creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
> > > much they hate people
>
> > Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
>
> bible. Get it?
Yes. i get that you are stupid. There isn't anything about _any_
science in the Bible, so to pick on evolution on that account is to be
dishonest. That's one reason, normal, non-fundamentalist Christians,
recognize that creationism is false doctrine.
Eric Root
Tim DeLaney
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 9:31 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
> > > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> > > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> > > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> > > In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> > > examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> > > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > > to war against the enemy of God.
>
>
> > What makes you think that your god needs your feeble
> > help in defending himself? According to orthodox theology,
> > God could instantly destroy all his enemies at the twitch of
> > his nose. (Well, his figurative nose.)
>
> > Come to think of it, why hasn't your god destroyed Satan?
> > Does he think that his creation is somehow enhanced by
> > the presence of evil?
>
> > Taking this one step further, does God allow Satan to exist
> > because he needs somebody to carry out his plan to
> > administer everlasting torture to those who he once loved?
>
> > I think I'm starting to get it: Satan is just God's "button man"
>
> > Tim
>
> You watch too much television. You did not describe the God of the
> bible. You described the God of science fiction.
>
> But you have raised the most intersting question of all. "Why did God
> not kill satan"?
>
> Satan? It has to be clear to all that Satan deserved something like a
> complete destruction. Not everyone knows he is the cause of mankind's
> problems.
>
> a
> supernatiral event for the darker side of things
>
These last two paragraphs are incoherent; you never
addressed the question. In fact, you didn't even hint
that you *could* address it.
<snip extended Bible quote with absurd line lengths>
Tim
Eric Root
> On Dec 13, 5:19�am, "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleu...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 13 dec, 12:05, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 12, 10:18 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> > > > > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> > > > > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
>
> > > > > examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> > > > > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > > > > to war against the enemy of God.
>
>
> > > > > thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> > > > > follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> > > > > lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> > > > > Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>
> > > > that fact isn't going against any of Christ's teachings. � �Accepting
> > > > evolution is not being "pacifistic", just practical, and there's no issue of
> > > > trying to "please two masters". � Science is a tool, not a master.
>
> > > > > of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>
> > > > translations put it this way:
> > > > "From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been
> > > > forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it."http://bible.cc/matthew/11-12.htm
>
> > > > > 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
>
> > > > Those who accept evolution are awake. �It's the creationists who need to
> > > > face reality.
>
> > > > DJT
>
> > > Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
>
> > the bible must be interpreted literally.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> metaphorically.
>
> The problem is you can/t read
So what? The problem is, you give the Bible authority it hasn't
earned. i agree, that for you the Bible is one of your masters. But
that is idolatry, and has nothing to do with following Christ.
Eric Root
Eric Root
> On Dec 12, 10:24�pm, RAM <ramather...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 8:31 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
> > Snip of militant statements.
>
> > > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > > to war against the enemy of God.
>
>
> > Will it include killling; or will it include proselytizing?
>
> > The Bible quote below is ambiguous as usual.
>
> > Snip of attack on Christian theists.
>
> > > Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
> > > of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> > > 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> > > Wake up.
>
> > concern for my afterlife).
>
> This is a "spiritual war". Stop being such a dram queen
That would be you.
heekster
It is probably the steroids.
heekster
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 10:24�pm, RAM <ramather...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 8:31 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>> Snip of militant statements.
>>
>>
>>
>> > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>> > to war against the enemy of God.
>>
>> What kind of war do you have in mind?
>>
>> Will it include killling; or will it include proselytizing?
>>
>> The Bible quote below is ambiguous as usual.
>>
>>
>>
>> Snip of attack on Christian theists.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>> > of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>> > Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>> > 6:10-18) for a reason.
>>
>> > Wake up.
>>
>> I am. �Should I be concerned for my present life (I know already your
>> concern for my afterlife).
>
>This is a "spiritual war". Stop being such a dram queen
>
So, you're not only a real cretin, you're an imaginary cretin, as
well.
Ye Old One
>On Dec 13, 5:17�am, "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleu...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> On 13 dec, 12:07, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 12, 9:54 pm, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Dec 12, 6:47 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> > > > <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>> > > > >There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>> > > > >that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>> > > > >life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>
>> > > > >In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>> > > > >examples, analogies and terminology.
>>
>> > > > >The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>> > > > >to war against the enemy of God.]]
>>
>> > > > in islam this is called 'jihad'.
>>
>> > > > we see �here that creationists, like their islamsit friends, hate the
>> > > > human race and want to kill those who dont agree with them. religious
>> > > > fanaticism...
>>
>> > > > >If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
>> > > > >thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>> > > > >follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
>> > > > >lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
>> > > > >Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>>
>> > > > how many people did jesus kill when they crucified him? answer: none.
>> > > > he let himself be put to death rather than harm a single
>> > > > person....even his enemies
>>
>> > > > >Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>> > > > >of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>> > > > >Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>> > > > >6:10-18) for a reason.
>>
>> > > > 'blessed are the peacemakers'....
>>
>> > > > guess the creationist doesn't know his bible.
>>
>> > > Oh, they know their bible. They just don't care for the "Give up
>> > > everything to the poor" and "love your enemies" parts.
>>
>> > > Jesus was so *demanding.
>>
>> > > They'd rather just fight the studies of science and history. Paul was
>> > > alright; he hated women and gays.
>>
>> > > > creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
>> > > > much they hate people
>>
>> > > Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
>>
>> > > Kermit
>>
>> > Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>> > come from the word of God.
>>
>> In that case you'd better start LISTENING!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The bible plainly says there will be false teachers.
The bible is a work of bronze age fiction.
> Evolution is
>false doctrine taught by false teachers.
Wrong, as usual.
> It has nothing to do with the
>Bible.
Right for once.
>
>Evolution has to be rationalized into the bible by fools that do not
>understand exactly what the bible telling them, even though that have
>been warned ahead of time that false teachers would appear as wolf's
>in sheep's clothing.
>
>The entire book from start to finish is about spiritual warfare. First
>in the garden with mankind being led away from God all the way to a
>final battle to take place at the end.
The entire book, from Genesis to Revelations, is fiction.
--
Bob.
You have not been charged for this lesson - learn from it rather than
continuing to make a fool of yourself.
Eric Root
> On Dec 12, 9:31�pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
> > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> > In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> > examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > to war against the enemy of God.
>
>
> What makes you think that your god needs your feeble
> help in defending himself? �According to orthodox theology,
> God could instantly destroy all his enemies at the twitch of
> his nose. �(Well, his figurative nose.)
>
> Come to think of it, why hasn't your god destroyed Satan?
> Does he think that his creation is somehow enhanced by
> the presence of evil?
>
> Taking this one step further, does God allow Satan to exist
> because he needs somebody to carry out his plan to
> administer everlasting torture to those who he once loved?
>
> I think I'm starting to get it: �Satan is just God's "button man"
>
> Tim
You play into his hands by discussing with him from an atheist or
skeptical viewpoint. He makes these posts challenging normal,
theistic-evolution type Christians, and then the flood of posts
challenging theism itself allow him to escape discussing the problem
of his outlook, _from within a Christian perspective_.
He will probably escape this whole thread, and never have to address
the non- (or at least extra-)Christianity of his magic book-worship.
Eric Root
Dana Tweedy
>>> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>>> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>>> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> examples, analogies and terminology.
>>
>>> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and
>>> going to war against the enemy of God.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>>> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have
>>> swallowed a lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two
>>> masters. Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>>
>> that fact isn't going against any of Christ's teachings. Accepting
>> evolution is not being "pacifistic", just practical, and there's no
>> issue of
>> trying to "please two masters". Science is a tool, not a master.
>>
>>
>>
>>> kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by
>>> force."
>>
>> translations put it this way:
>> "From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven
>> has been
>> forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of
>> it."http://bible.cc/matthew/11-12.htm
>>
>>> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>>
>>
>> Those who accept evolution are awake. It's the creationists who need
>> to
>> face reality.
>>
>> DJT
>
> Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
I note that you didn't bother to reply to any of my points, and just replied
with an unsupported assertion. I'll take that as a evidence that you can't
produce a reasoned counter to my statements.
DJT
Ye Old One
<allse...@usa.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Dec 13, 5:21�am, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:07:32 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>> >come from the word of God.
>>
>> is that why there are 38,000 chrisitan denominations, each with their
>> own view of the 'word of god'?
>>
>> if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
>
>Egos. Power trips, external influences. There are many reasons.
>
>Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
>
>It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
This article gives a list of the main ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
And really that is only the tip of the iceberg.
A book I found, Title: World Christian Encyclopedia : a comparative
survey of churches and religions in the modern world - 2nd ed.
Authors: David B. Barrett, George T. Kurian, Todd M. Johnson.
Published by: Oxford University Press, 2001.
This 2001 edition, successor to a 1982 first edition, identifies
10,000 distinct religions, of which 150 have 1 million or more
followers. Within Christianity, they count 33,820 denominations.
So no, 38,000 is hardly an exaggeration, I would imagine there are
that many in the USA alone.
Dana Tweedy
> On Dec 13, 5:19 am, "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleu...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
snip
>>> Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
>>
>> No. It's a direct challenge of your insane beliefs that every word in
>> the bible must be interpreted literally.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Nonsense. The bible says what it says even when it speaks
> metaphorically.
The Bible does indeed 'say what is says' but it never says that evolution is
incompatible with a belief in God.
>
> The problem is you can/t read
The problem is that you can't support your own claims.
DJT
Nashton
> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> to war against the enemy of God.
>
> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
> lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>
> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>
> Wake up.
>
Very well said.
Nashton
> On 13 dec, 12:07, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 9:54 pm, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 12, 6:47 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>>>> There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>>>>> that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>>>>> life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>>>> In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>>>>> examples, analogies and terminology.
>>>>> The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>>>> in islam this is called 'jihad'.
>>>> we see here that creationists, like their islamsit friends, hate the
>>>> human race and want to kill those who dont agree with them. religious
>>>> fanaticism...
>>>>> thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>>>>> follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
>>>>> lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
>>>>> Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>>>> he let himself be put to death rather than harm a single
>>>> person....even his enemies
>>>>> of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>>>>> Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>>>>> 6:10-18) for a reason.
>>>> guess the creationist doesn't know his bible.
>>> Oh, they know their bible. They just don't care for the "Give up
>>> everything to the poor" and "love your enemies" parts.
>>> Jesus was so *demanding.
>>> They'd rather just fight the studies of science and history. Paul was
>>> alright; he hated women and gays.
>>>> creationists seem to think that they prove their love of god by how
>>>> much they hate people
>>> Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
>>> Kermit
>> come from the word of God.
>
>
What makes you think he isn't, or are you again making an attempt at
trying to be funny?
You're really not funny in spite of what your mom told you.
Nashton
>>
>> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>>> come from the word of God.
>> own view of the 'word of god'?
>>
>> if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
>
> Egos. Power trips, external influences. There are many reasons.
>
> Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
>
> It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
>
This guy can't even write properly. How would he know how many versions
of the Bible there are?
Ye Old One
<allse...@usa.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Dec 13, 6:34�am, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:37:41 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 13, 5:21�am, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:07:32 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>> >> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>> >> >come from the word of God.
>>
>> >> is that why there are 38,000 chrisitan denominations, each with their
>> >> own view of the 'word of god'?
>>
>> >> if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
>>
>> >Egos. Power trips, external influences. There are many reasons.
>>
>> creationism fits here.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
>>
>> creationism fits here
>>
>>
>>
>> >It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
>>
>> the 'oxford history of christianity' says there are 30,000. wikipedia
>> says 38,000
>>
>> take your pick
>>
>> so your view is just 1 among tens of thousands. some 'word of god' you
>> god there
>
>There is only one version. Many flavors. You fail to see that.
No, you are wrong as usual.
>
>All demoniations meet on the main points.
Do they. What are the main points?
That JC lived? No, many do not accept that he did. Some do not accept
the virgin birth, the miracles, the crucifixion and even the
resurrection.
>
>Those that do not meet on the valid main points as described in the
>bible are not true Christians.
You don't get to call on that. You would not be a honest judge.
> Jesus even said they would come
>teaching in his name but these false teachers are really just wolfs in
>sheep's clothing.
So you are a false teacher. Live with it.
>
>If the evolutionist had an attention span bigger then a fly they could
>see the difference.
If you had a working brain you would see how stupid you appear to
others.
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
Science causes disease.
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited
some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of
rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me
laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle
East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah
and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
The [Dropa] stone is real, the troglodytes exist, the graves are
there, many books have been written on the subject...
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to?
Certainly I don't.
--
Bob.
Stephen
> On Dec 13, 5:17�am, "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleu...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > On 13 dec, 12:07, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 12, 9:54 pm, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Dec 12, 6:47 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
> >
[...snip...]
>
> The bible plainly says there will be false teachers. Evolution is
> false doctrine taught by false teachers. It has nothing to do with the
> Bible.
>
> Evolution has to be rationalized into the bible by fools that do not
> understand exactly what the bible telling them, even though that have
> been warned ahead of time that false teachers would appear as wolf's
> in sheep's clothing.
>
> The entire book from start to finish is about spiritual warfare. First
> in the garden with mankind being led away from God all the way to a
> final battle to take place at the end.
I don't understand where you come from on this, I guess ... what makes
you think that what you've been taught about the Bible (in general and
on this issue in particular) is NOT ITSELF false teaching? Remember,
you've been taught over and over in this forum a truth of the natural
world: that evolution is a fact and that evolution theory is our best
current description of that fact. Don't you understand that when you
were taught to reject evolution and evolution theory, you were given a
"false teaching"?
You seem to be unaware that you're making an interpretation of the
Bible here, and mis-taking your *interpretation* to be the Absolute
Truth(tm). You seem to be unaware that other interpretations may be
valid, or even that there *are* other interpretations. How do you
justify *your* interpretation here, and the *assumption* that your
interpretation is "the only one and true and correct"?
Regards,
Stephen
--
Ye Old One
<allse...@usa.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Dec 12, 10:18�pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>> All-Seeing-I wrote:
>> > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
>> > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
>> > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>>
>> What does this have to do with the factuality of evolution?
>>
>>
>>
>> > In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
>> > examples, analogies and terminology.
>>
>> > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
>> > to war against the enemy of God.
>>
>> John 3:16 seems to contradict this. � Also, Matthew 5:5, Psalms 73:11
>>
>>
>>
>> > If you are floating around inside of a peaceful, passive bubble
>> > thinking you can believe a manmade idea while claiming to be a
>> > follower of Jesus, you had better wake up because you have swallowed a
>> > lie. You have become a pacifistic wanting to please two masters.
>> > Pacifistic Christians are like lambs ready for slaughter.
>>
>> All ideas are 'manmade'. � �Evolution is a fact of nature, and accepting
>> that fact isn't going against any of Christ's teachings. � �Accepting
>> evolution is not being "pacifistic", just practical, and there's no issue of
>> trying to "please two masters". � Science is a tool, not a master.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>> > of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>>
>> This is one reason why the KJV is not the best translation. � Other
>> translations put it this way:
>> "From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been
>> forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it."http://bible.cc/matthew/11-12.htm
>>
>> > Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>> > 6:10-18) for a reason.
>>
>> > Wake up.
>>
>> Those who accept evolution are awake. �It's the creationists who need to
>> face reality.
>>
>> DJT
>
>Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
No, but it is a direct challenge to you - and you have failed to meet
that challenge.
--
Bob.
If brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose.
Dana Tweedy
>>
>>> Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
>>> come from the word of God.
>>
>> In that case you'd better start LISTENING!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The bible plainly says there will be false teachers. Evolution is
> false doctrine taught by false teachers. It has nothing to do with the
> Bible.
Evolution is not a "doctrine", it's a scientific theory. You claim that
evolution is "false" but the evidence shows that it's not. Why should
anyone believe you, and not the evidence?
>
> Evolution has to be rationalized into the bible by fools that do not
> understand exactly what the bible telling them, even though that have
> been warned ahead of time that false teachers would appear as wolf's
> in sheep's clothing.
There's nothing to rationalize about evolution. It's a fact of nature.
What you don't seem to understand is that the "false teachers" are those
pushing creationism.
>
> The entire book from start to finish is about spiritual warfare.
No, it's not. I've already gave some counter examples, which you ignored.
> First
> in the garden with mankind being led away from God all the way to a
> final battle to take place at the end.
As "spiritual warfare" the story of the garden of Eden doesn't really fit.
It was about humans losing their innocence, not being "led away from God".
As the story goes, God is the one who pushed humans away, not humans
wandering off. There's a great deal more to the Bible, and the message
of the Bible than "spiritual warfare".
DJT
Ye Old One
I doubt it was intended to be funny, it sounds like good advice but I
doubt Mudbrain will take it.
--
Bob.
NashtOff - the moron who claimed "All drugs are derived from the ToE."
Ye Old One
I agree, Mudbrain can't write properly, I've yet to find a creationist
that can.
Desertphile
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
> Evolution is false doctrine taught by false teachers.
No more than sunlight is.
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Desertphile
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 9:54�pm, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Some don't. But they all hate knowledge.
> Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
> come from the word of god.
God any words from gods? If so, please share them with the rest of
the world. Thank you in advance.
All-Seeing-I
> On Dec 13, 6:26�am, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 10:30 pm, Tim DeLaney <delaney.timo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 12, 9:31 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
> > > > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> > > > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> > > > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> > > > In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> > > > examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> > > > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > > > to war against the enemy of God.
>
>
> > > What makes you think that your god needs your feeble
> > > help in defending himself? According to orthodox theology,
> > > God could instantly destroy all his enemies at the twitch of
> > > his nose. (Well, his figurative nose.)
>
> > > Come to think of it, why hasn't your god destroyed Satan?
> > > Does he think that his creation is somehow enhanced by
> > > the presence of evil?
>
> > > Taking this one step further, does God allow Satan to exist
> > > because he needs somebody to carry out his plan to
> > > administer everlasting torture to those who he once loved?
>
> > > I think I'm starting to get it: Satan is just God's "button man"
>
> > > Tim
>
> > bible. You described the God of science fiction.
>
> > But you have raised the most intersting question of all. "Why did God
> > not kill satan"?
>
>
> > What kind of eternity would we have if God simply did away waith
> > Satan? It has to be clear to all that Satan deserved something like a
> > complete destruction. Not everyone knows he is the cause of mankind's
> > problems.
>
> that God will later punish us for in agony for eternity. Is it really
> any wonder that some of us don't find this story compelling?
>
> > God's enemy has been countering good for evil step by step. Hitler was
> > a
> > supernatiral event for the darker side of things
>
>
> > "The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in
> > his
> > field: but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the
> > wheat,
> > and went his way.
>
> Poor analogy. For a man, such an enemy might be impossible to find, or
> difficult to eliminate once found. God would know the enemy, see the
> deed in progress and have the power to eliminate the enemy at will.
> That He does not requires an explanation.
>
> But when the blade was sprung up and brought forth
>
> > fruit,
> > then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came
> > and
> > said unto him, Sir, didst thou not sow good seed in thy field? From
> > whence
> > then has it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The
> > servants
> > said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he
> > said,
> > Nay: lest while ye gather up the tares ye root up also the wheat with
> > them.
>
> Bad analogy again. God, unbound by the limitations of human
> agricultural technology, �could easily select only the "tares" and
> remove them. Or convert the "tares" into wheat. Or most efficiently,
> cause "tares" and the sower of tares not to exist.
>
> > Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I
> > will
> > say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares and bind them
> > in
> > bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."
> > - Matthew 13:24-30, KJV
> > God sowed the good seed. (humans) after creating the universe and the
> > earth.
> > The enemy is satan. The seed was satan and ilk taking on human bodies
> > and
> > mating with mortal women.
>
> Was God asleep when this happened? Did he not foresee it? Even the
> feeble human mind would expect no small mischief from the likes of
> Satan; why was God's perception less acute?
>
> The servants are God's loyal Angels that did
>
> > not
> > leave their proper places and sleep with mortal women.
>
> To many of us, language like this is clear evidence that Scripture is
> of human origin. Man imagines angels with human lust.
>
> > Everything became corrupted.
>
> Creationists always retreat to the �passive voice at this juncture of
> the story. Everything "became" corrupted. God is all and creates all.
> If something "becomes" corrupted, it must be by God's power and with
> God's acquiescence.
>
> > God created a Garden with Adam to bring
> > forth a
> > pure blood line that had not mixed with Angels.
>
> Could he not have simply prevented the mixing? Or made such unions
> impossible? Or at least unfruitful? Could he not, before making Man,
> do away with the troublesome angels?
>
> From this bloodline
>
> > would
> > come the last Adam, the messiah that would bruise the head of the one
> > that
> > has caused so much destruction on the earth. But the Adam and Eve made
> > the
> > wrong choice also. They fell prey to the temptations on the earth. The
> > sins
> > and corruption became so bad on earth that man's blood cried to the
> > gates of
> > heaven. God's loyal servents asked God if they should go pull up the
> > bad
> > wheat or tares. But God said no, since some good may get pulled up
> > with the
> > bad.
>
> Utter and complete nonsense. Why could a God with the power to create
> the universe in all its grandeur and subtlety not pull up only the
> bad? Or prevent the sowing of the bad in the first place?
>
> > On the last day God will say:
> > in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together
> > first
> > the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat
> > into
> > my barn.
>
> And again, God will punish us for the evil He created and gave power
> to. Such a God is clearly the work of Man, rather than the other way
> around.
>
> Greg Guarino- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your biblical understanding comes from atheist web sites and atheist
book.
It would behoove you to go to the source for your information.
Desertphile
<lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:05:35 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
> <allse...@usa.com> wrote in talk.origins:
>> Evolution is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
Sunlight is a direct challenge to the Bible. It is that simple.
> Then, with your interpretation of the Bible, the Bible lost.
That's the chief problem with superstition: one is forced to
abandon it or reality, and cult nuts choose to abandon reality.
> Now, do you want to make the Bible lose or do you want to find a way to
> interpret the Bible that does not make it false?
>
> Your choice. I'm betting that you will continue dishonesty.
All-Seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
Those few who squeeled the loudest are the ones that have become the
true enemies of God.
The rest are the pacifistic sheep being led to their slaughter by a
theory that reads like a B-grade sci-fi movie.
Boikat
Seems like you are the loudest squeeler around.
>
> The rest are the pacifistic sheep being led to their slaughter by a
> theory that reads like a B-grade sci-fi movie.
A theory that you do not understand because it's easier to believe
"Goddidit", and the ToE takes too much effort to understand,
therefore, you are not qualified to evaluate the ToE. Also, if anyone
here is a "sheep", it's you and other creatotards.
Boikat
Free Lunch
talk.origins:
No, it is you and he who are being funny by rejecting evidence that does
not fit with the religious doctrines that you invented. God never told
you to worship your interpretations of the Bible.
>You're really not funny in spite of what your mom told you.
Science deniers aren't really believers, despite what they tell us.
Creationism mocks God.
Desertphile
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:37:41 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
> <allse...@usa.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
> >On Dec 13, 5:21�am, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:07:32 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
> >>
> >> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
> >> >come from the word of God.
> >>
> >> is that why there are 38,000 chrisitan denominations, each with their
> >> own view of the 'word of god'?
> >>
> >> if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
> >Egos. Power trips, external influences. There are many reasons.
> >Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
> >It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
That number is probably conservative.
> This article gives a list of the main ones.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
>
> And really that is only the tip of the iceberg.
>
> A book I found, Title: World Christian Encyclopedia : a comparative
> survey of churches and religions in the modern world - 2nd ed.
> Authors: David B. Barrett, George T. Kurian, Todd M. Johnson.
> Published by: Oxford University Press, 2001.
>
> This 2001 edition, successor to a 1982 first edition, identifies
> 10,000 distinct religions, of which 150 have 1 million or more
> followers. Within Christianity, they count 33,820 denominations.
>
> So no, 38,000 is hardly an exaggeration, I would imagine there are
> that many in the USA alone.
Interesting. The WikiPedia article does not mention the Penitente
perhaps because it is more or less part of the Roman Catholic
Church; nor is the Ku Klux Klan mentioned, nor Aryan Nation, now
Christ Identity.
Desertphile
> All-Seeing-I wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 5:21 am, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:07:32 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
> >>> Depends on what knid of knowledge you mean. True knowledge can only
> >>> come from the word of God.
> >> is that why there are 38,000 chrisitan denominations, each with their
> >> own view of the 'word of god'?
> >>
> >> if there is 1 truth, why 38,000 versions of it?
> > Egos. Power trips, external influences. There are many reasons.
> >
> > Basically because man corrupts everything he places his hands on.
> >
> > It is also unlikely there are 38,000. You exaggerate as usual
> This guy can't even write properly. How would he know how many versions
> of the Bible there are?
The subject is denominations of the Christian cult, not how many
versions of the cult's paper god there are.
Free Lunch
<allse...@usa.com> wrote in talk.origins:
...
>Your biblical understanding comes from atheist web sites and atheist
>book.
>
>It would behoove you to go to the source for your information.
>
You act as if your interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one.
How do you justify your arrogance?
Desertphile
> Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
>>> come from the word of god.
>> In that case you'd better start LISTENING!
> What makes you think he isn't, or are you again making an attempt at
> trying to be funny?
You, Naffoff, reject the teachings of Jesus in the Bible and you
have made many lame excuses for doing so. Why don't you answer the
question putto you two weeks ago? Here, you have another
opportunity to be honest:
How can you be a Christian when you reject Jesus' mandate to be
liberal?
All-Seeing-I
> On Dec 13, 6:26�am, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > On Dec 12, 9:31 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>
> > > > There is not a scripture in the entire bible, Old or New Testament,
> > > > that tells us that there will be a peacefull entrance into eternal
> > > > life. Go on. Look for yorself.
>
> > > > In fact, from Genesis to Revelation the Bible is full of military
> > > > examples, analogies and terminology.
>
> > > > The true peace of God can only be secured by making a stand and going
> > > > to war against the enemy of God.
>
>
> > > What makes you think that your god needs your feeble
> > > help in defending himself? According to orthodox theology,
> > > God could instantly destroy all his enemies at the twitch of
> > > his nose. (Well, his figurative nose.)
>
> > > Come to think of it, why hasn't your god destroyed Satan?
> > > Does he think that his creation is somehow enhanced by
> > > the presence of evil?
>
> > > Taking this one step further, does God allow Satan to exist
> > > because he needs somebody to carry out his plan to
> > > administer everlasting torture to those who he once loved?
>
> > > I think I'm starting to get it: Satan is just God's "button man"
>
> > > Tim
>
> > You watch too much television. You did not describe the God of the
> > bible. You described the God of science fiction.
>
> > But you have raised the most intersting question of all. "Why did God
> > not kill satan"?
>
> > Satan? It has to be clear to all that Satan deserved something like a
> > complete destruction. Not everyone knows he is the cause of mankind's
> > problems.
>
> > a
> > supernatiral event for the darker side of things
>
> addressed the question. �In fact, you didn't even hint
> that you *could* address it.
>
> <snip extended Bible quote with absurd line lengths>
>
> Tim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
OK. I will have to dumb the answer down for you.
Adam and Eve, our first parents, chose Satan's domination over them BY
ACCEPTING THE KNOWLEDGE from the tree of good and evil.
Second, God wants all of humanity to learn that "the way of man is not
in himself; it is not in man who walks to direct his own
steps" (Jeremiah 10:23).
How did things get to that point? Why would Satan even want to tempt
man?
There was a disagreement in heaven related to mankind's creation and
if mankind was worthy to even exist. Satan and 1/3 of the angels,
using their free, will told God they would not assist mankind during
it's fledgling beginnings.
If God had destroyed Satan right then for simply disagreeing with him
then all of the other 2/3's of the angels would have been in fear of
God and would never disagree with him in the future. What kind of
eternity would living in constant fear be?
Once the last soul is born and once everyone has an opportunity to
make the same choice between good and evil that Adam and Eve had by
hearing the gospels, then a conclusion will come to this spiritual
battle that will end with a finial battle in Mageddio, Israel.
It is after that final battle, which will involve both natural and
supernatural elements, Satan will be judged and shown guilty beyond
anyone's doubt for the grave corruption of God's creation and then
done away with forever.
So will everyone that chose to side with him.
alextangent
I suspect it's those that don't fancy meeting you in the street when
you're tooled up for your Holy War.
>
> The rest are the pacifistic sheep being led to their slaughter by a
> theory that reads like a B-grade sci-fi movie.
You'll kill them too?
That's one crazy religion you've got there.
Boikat
> On Dec 13, 10:30锟絘m, Tim DeLaney <delaney.timo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > that you *could* address it.
>
> > <snip extended Bible quote with absurd line lengths>
>
> > Tim- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OK. I will have to dumb the answer down for you.
>
> Adam and Eve, our first parents,
Myth.
> chose Satan's domination over them BY
> ACCEPTING THE KNOWLEDGE from the tree of good and evil.
Yes, it's understood that you think knowledge os evil, and given your
constant lying, you also do not seem to care about the difference
between god and evil, either.
>
> Second, God wants all of humanity to learn that "the way of man is not
> in himself; it is not in man who walks to direct his own
> steps" (Jeremiah 10:23).
Yes, you want people to be sheeple. Sorry.
>
> How did things get to that point? Why would Satan even want to tempt
> man?
There is no "Satan".
>
> There was a disagreement in heaven related to mankind's creation and
> if mankind was worthy to even exist. Satan and 1/3 of the angels,
> using their free, will told God they would not assist mankind during
> it's fledgling beginnings.
>
Mythology.
> If God had destroyed Satan right then for simply disagreeing with him
> then all of the other 2/3's of the angels would have been in fear of
> God and would never disagree with him in the future. What kind of
> eternity would living in constant fear be?
>
> Once the last soul is born and once everyone has an opportunity to
> make the same choice between good and evil that Adam and Eve had by
> hearing the gospels, then a conclusion will come to this spiritual
> battle that will end with a finial battle in Mageddio, Israel.
>
> It is after that final battle, which will involve both natural and
> supernatural elements, Satan will be judged and shown guilty beyond
> anyone's doubt for the grave corruption of God's creation and then
> done away with forever.
>
> So will everyone that chose to side with him.- Hide quoted text -
Mythological nonsense is all you have. How sad.
Boikat
bpuharic
because, unlike you, i can read.
try it sometime. you might learn something.
although, your only response seems to be grammar flames, so i'm not
holding my breath
bpuharic
the more i read creationist horseshit, the more it reads like a george
lucas 'star wars' story...
bpuharic
as i've said, there's more of a relationship between al qaida and
creationists than either cares to admit.
both believe the infidels must die
bpuharic
well at one time, the 'enemies of god' were the jews
who do you guys think they are today?
Ye Old One
How can anyone be the enemy of a fictional character.
>
>The rest are the pacifistic sheep being led to their slaughter by a
>theory that reads like a B-grade sci-fi movie.
I know you try to escape, and not face up to at least these two
examples of your past stupid claims.
1) That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
[Message-ID: <e3xDk.44738$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net>]
2) That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
[Message-ID: <3Olyk.31543$Ep1....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>]
Now, all you have to do is justify them, with evidence of course, or
finally admit you were a fool to make them.
Or are you just going to go on being a cowardly lying troll?
--
Bob.
When D-G made Madman out of clay he forgot to magic the brain. I think
that explains everything.
raven1
>On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:59 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
><allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>>Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>>of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."
>>Therefore we have been given spiritual weapons and armor (Eph.
>>6:10-18) for a reason.
>
>'blessed are the peacemakers'....
No, no, that's "blessed are the cheese-makers"...
Desertphile
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:46:18 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
> <allse...@usa.com> wrote:
> >Those few who squeeled the loudest are the ones that have become the
> >true enemies of god.
> well at one time, the 'enemies of god' were the jews
> who do you guys think they are today?
Before that the enemies of "god" were the non-jews.
Dana Tweedy
>
> Those few who squeeled the loudest are the ones that have become the
> true enemies of God.
How is countering your ignorance "squeeling"?
>
> The rest are the pacifistic sheep being led to their slaughter by a
> theory that reads like a B-grade sci-fi movie.
It's interesting that you seem to think that one can be led by a scientific
theory. It's also absurd that you seem to think that accepting a
scientific theory makes one a "pacifist".
Evolution is a fact of nature. The theory of evolution explains the fact.
That you are too lazy to learn about the theory, and too afraid to accept
the facts does not mean the theory is flawed.
DJT
Desertphile
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
> Those few who squeeled the loudest are the ones that have become the
> true enemies of god.
Gods have enemies? God any evidence for that claim?
Desertphile
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
> OK. I will have to dumb the answer down for you.
You ure got tyhat part down pat.
> Adam and Eve, our first parents, chose Satan's domination over them BY
> ACCEPTING THE KNOWLEDGE from the tree of good and evil.
Satan did not exist until Christians created it. The Eve and Adam
myth was over 700 years old before then.