Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed and now Al Gore. I hope
nobody in Denmark draws any 'insulting' cartoons
about Al lest his true believers attack :-)
Folks, the terrible truth is that Al Gore is
a career POLITICIAN. He lies, he stretches the
truth, he ignores inconvenient data, he preaches
doom and gloom just like Falwell and Robertson
and for much the same reason - he's out to
increase his fame, power and wealth just like
every career politician. Don't bend a knee and
make the sign of Gaia every time his name is
mentioned, it's embarassing.
It ain't Saint Al, just regular-politician Al.
I recommend agnosticism.
So it's okay for you to lie, but people should not come to the defense
of the truth.
Much like creationists who start with the premise that their particular
interpretation of the Bible is true, and then seek to mold the facts to
the initial assumptions, Gore type environmentalists start with the
premise that man is bad for the environment and seek to mold the facts
to the initial assumptions.
For instance, I believe in ways to safeguard the environment other than
those suggested by Gore type environmentalists, so therefore I'm
against the environment - just like those who doubt creationism are
evil atheists.
Jason Harvestdancer
I suspect there are a few like that, but it seems like a very small part
of those who care about our environment.
A patently foolish and demonstrable false statement. Also irrelevant to
whether his statements are correct.
>
> Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed and now Al Gore. I hope
> nobody in Denmark draws any 'insulting' cartoons
> about Al lest his true believers attack :-)
A foolish strawman.
>
> Folks, the terrible truth is that Al Gore is
> a career POLITICIAN. He lies, he stretches the
> truth, he ignores inconvenient data, he preaches
> doom and gloom just like Falwell and Robertson
> and for much the same reason - he's out to
> increase his fame, power and wealth just like
> every career politician. Don't bend a knee and
> make the sign of Gaia every time his name is
> mentioned, it's embarassing.
>
> It ain't Saint Al, just regular-politician Al.
> I recommend agnosticism.
Well, you've shown yourself capable of the following logical fallacies:
Strawman, non sequitur, and ad hominem.
I notice, though, a severe paucity of evidence in your post. Are you
aware that Al Gore has been an advocate for environmental causes for
over 20 years? His track record is pretty unassailable, except by the
very foolish or the very dishonest.
Into which category shall we place you?
Chris
You are welcome to point out the factual inaccuracies in his
presentation, but unless you want us to treat yo like a politician as
well, please leave the character assassination out of it.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"Like this cup," the master daid, "you are full of your own opinions and
speculations. How can I show you anything unless you first empty your cup?"
> Well, yeah.
>
> Much like creationists who start with the premise that their particular
> interpretation of the Bible is true, and then seek to mold the facts to
> the initial assumptions, Gore type environmentalists start with the
> premise that man is bad for the environment
I disagree with that assertion.
> and seek to mold the facts
> to the initial assumptions.
You are welcome to point out factial errors in Al Gore's presentation.
> For instance, I believe in ways to safeguard the environment other than
Like what?
> those suggested by Gore type environmentalists,
What do "Gore type environmentalists" propose?
What does Al Gore propose?
> so therefore I'm
> against the environment - just like those who doubt creationism are
> evil atheists.
>
> Jason Harvestdancer
Have you actually watched "An Inconvenient truth"? Or do you depend on
someone else's talking points?
>Judging by the shocked responses I recently
>received after daring to question some of
>Al Gores 'science' and motives relative to
>'global warming' I can only conclude that
>old Al has become the nexus of a new religion
>complete with unquestionable dogma and a
>hatred of heretics.
The objections were to your denial of science, which seems to be
driven by your hatred of Gore. That appears to be the "religious
dogma" at work here.
CT
Harvest Dancer wrote:
> For instance, I believe in ways to safeguard the environment other than
> those suggested by Gore type environmentalists, so therefore I'm
> against the environment - just like those who doubt creationism are
> evil atheists.
>
> Jason Harvestdancer
Exxon Surrenders but Jason Harvestdancer keeps sucking their dead dick:
Exxon said "Greenhouse gas emissions are one of the factors that
contribute to climate change...
> You are welcome to point out factial errors in Al Gore's presentation.
Omission of climate forcing of CO2 in glacial periods.
Omission of arctic ice and polar bears surviving Holocene Thermal Maximum.
Exaggeration of drought from AGW.
Exaggeration of hurricane increase from AGW.
Omission of benefits of CO2.
Omission of benefits of warmer world.
What the fuck *IS* it with you lunatics that you must insist upon
calling sanity and common sense "religions," as if the word "religion"
a derisive insult?
> Judging by the shocked responses I recently received after daring to
> question some of Al Gores 'science' and motives relative to 'global
> warming'
Shocked? We hear this tripe from a certain class of people all the time.
--
Bobby Bryant
Reno, Nevada
Remove your hat to reply by e-mail.
Oh shut up and suck that dick, whore...
You people need to get over this Al Gore fetish. He's just a guy who made a
film. There was buzz about global warming before his film, don't you guys
remember it? Is your memory span so short?
You mean to say that Gore is not the one who discovered AGW?
What a diaappointment! Next you will be telling me that he
really didn't invent the Internet either. But at least he is
definitely the guy who discovered life on Mars.
Seems like you're the one with a dick sucking/scatology fixation. Repressed
urges, perhaps?
Boikat
It's their way of lowering the standards of science to their level so that
they can pretend they are intellectual equals to them "perfessers" who got
all that "book larnin" and a fancy "edgemacashun".
Boikat
>
EXXON-DICK PUMPING BULLPUP'S MOUTH ALERT!!!
Yes, there has been talk about global warming for quite a while. Al
Gore's lectures and the film he made of them are a nice summation of the
current research. It's sort of like James Burke's Connections or Carl
Sagan's Cosmos, except a theatrical release instead of a TV series. None
of them contained any new information; they just presented them in a
popular format. So what's the problem, exactly?
Ah. Thank you. Is the rest of it accurate?
... which are some of the verses which show that
= environmentalism is to science what astrology is astronomy.
Timber, beware of not becoming a class 3 enviro.
Good luck
hanson
*[1]* ... after the class 1 & 2 enviros coyly tried to put the polar
bear unto the endangered species list, there was a new story
yesterday that said there are 5 times as many polar bears
today then there were in 1970.
... which are some of the verses which show that
= environmentalism is to science what astrology is astronomy.
Timber, beware of not becoming a class 3 enviro.
Good luck
hanson
*[1]* ... after the class 1 & 2 enviros coyly tried to put the polar
bear unto the endangered species list, there was a news story
yesterday that said that there are 5 times as many polar bears
hanson wrote:
> There is NOTHING accurate in Exxonism, because the
> ----- The Exxon & its Theology says: -------
> = "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
> = believe is true ... -- Exxon CEO and ......
> = "A lot of Exxon messages are simply not
> = accurate. We use hype." -- Exxon Chaiman, and...
> = "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
> = mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
> = -- Exxon PR department
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tobacco.html
Scientists' Report Documents ExxonMobil's Tobacco-like Disinformation
Campaign on Global Warming Science
Oil Company Spent Nearly $16 Million to Fund Skeptic Groups, Create
Confusion
ExxonMobil Report
Read the Report
ExxonMobil Report (PDF)
Appendix C (PDF high resolution)
Appendix C (part 1)
Appendix C (part 2)
Appendix C (part 3)
WASHINGTON, DC, Jan. 3-A new report from the Union of Concerned
Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how
ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry's disinformation tactics,
as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the
scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the
issue. According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16
million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations
that seek to confuse the public on global warming science.
"ExxonMobil has manufactured uncertainty about the human causes of
global warming just as tobacco companies denied their product caused
lung cancer," said Alden Meyer, the Union of Concerned Scientists'
Director of Strategy & Policy. "A modest but effective investment has
allowed the oil giant to fuel doubt about global warming to delay
government action just as Big Tobacco did for over 40 years."
Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco's Tactics to
"Manufacture Uncertainty" on Climate Change details how the oil
company, like the tobacco industry in previous decades, has
* raised doubts about even the most indisputable scientific
evidence
* funded an array of front organizations to create the appearance
of a broad platform for a tight-knit group of vocal climate change
contrarians who misrepresent peer-reviewed scientific findings
* attempted to portray its opposition to action as a positive quest
for "sound science" rather than business self-interest
* used its access to the Bush administration to block federal
policies and shape government communications on global warming
ExxonMobil-funded organizations consist of an overlapping collection of
individuals serving as staff, board members, and scientific advisors
that publish and re-publish the works of a small group of climate
change contrarians. The George C. Marshall Institute, for instance,
which has received $630,000 from ExxonMobil, recently touted a book
edited by Patrick Michaels, a long-time climate change contrarian who
is affiliated with at least 11 organizations funded by ExxonMobil.
Similarly, ExxonMobil funds a number of lesser-known groups such as the
Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy and Committee for a
Constructive Tomorrow. Both groups promote the work of several climate
change contrarians, including Sallie Baliunas, an astrophysicist who is
affiliated with at least nine ExxonMobil-funded groups.
Baliunas is best known for a 2003 paper alleging the climate had not
changed significantly in the past millennia that was rebutted by 13
scientists who stated she had misrepresented their work in her paper.
This renunciation did not stop ExxonMobil-funded groups from continuing
to promote the paper. Through methods such as these, ExxonMobil has
been able to amplify and prop up work that has been discredited by
reputable climate scientists.
"When one looks closely, ExxonMobil's underhanded strategy is as clear
and indisputable as the scientific research it's meant to discredit,"
said Seth Shulman, an investigative journalist who wrote the UCS
report. "The paper trail shows that, to serve its corporate interests,
ExxonMobil has built a vast echo chamber of seemingly independent
groups with the express purpose of spreading disinformation about
global warming."
ExxonMobil has used the laudable goal of improving scientific
understanding of global warming-under the guise of "sound
science"-for the pernicious ends of delaying action to reduce
heat-trapping emissions indefinitely. ExxonMobil also exerted
unprecedented influence over U.S. policy on global warming, from
successfully recommending the appointment of key personnel in the Bush
administration to funding climate change deniers in Congress.
"As a scientist, I like to think that facts will prevail, and they do
eventually," said Dr. James McCarthy, Alexander Agassiz Professor of
Biological Oceanography at Harvard University and former chair of the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's working group on climate
change impacts. "It's shameful that ExxonMobil has sought to obscure
the facts for so long when the future of our planet depends on the
steps we take now and in the coming years."
The burning of oil and other fossil fuels results in additional
atmospheric carbon dioxide that blankets the Earth and traps heat. The
amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased greatly over the last
century and global temperatures are rising as a result. Though
solutions are available now that will cut global warming emissions
while creating jobs, saving consumers money, and protecting our
national security, ExxonMobil has manufactured confusion around climate
change science, and these actions have helped to forestall meaningful
action that could minimize the impacts of future climate change.
"ExxonMobil needs to be held accountable for its cynical disinformation
campaign on global warming," said Meyer. "Consumers, shareholders and
Congress should let the company know loud and clear that its behavior
on this issue is unacceptable and must change."
Gee. I must have struck a nerve. So, how long have you had these..urges to
suck everyone's dick that replies to your posts?
Boikat
Gore never claimed to have 'discovered' global warming. But he has been
concerned about it for quite a long time, and for a while was the only
politician proposing that we try to do something to forestall it. Now
others, including conservative Republicans like McCain, have joined him.
Unfortunately, the current administration is not among them.
> What a diaappointment! Next you will be telling me that he
> really didn't invent the Internet either.
He also never claimed to have invented the internet. but he was
certainly one of the first politicians to raise our awareness of its
significance.
In each of these cases, if you go back and look at what he actually said
and did, rather than what his right wing enemies say he said and did,
you find the truth is very different from the conventional wisdom.
Unfortunately, politics is mostly about illusion, and those who are good
as fostering such illusions often succeed.
'An inconvenient Truth' while it could be improved to include various
uncertainties and caveats, gets the science mostly right. See for example
www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=299
Realclimate is a website run by real working climate scientists.
What in "I have different solutions" makes you read "I oppose all
solutions"? Never mind, you won't answer. You never answer, do you
Chive?
You didn't answer my question. All you did was give some possibly
made-up and probably out-of-context quotes by people some of whom are
discredited as environmentalists and claim that envitonmentalism is a
religion. You did not actually refute any of the rest of the
documentary.
>
> *[1]* ... after the class 1 & 2 enviros coyly tried to put the polar
> bear unto the endangered species list, there was a news story
> yesterday that said that there are 5 times as many polar bears
> today then there were in 1970.
That doesn't necessarily mean that the polar bear is not endangered. And
if the species environment is about to undergo a radical transformation,
then there is a danger to the species, no matter how well it has been
doing over the last 36 years. I also notice that as with your other
quotes, you didn't give a cite for that news story.
Thank you for playing.
Really? That is a rather extreme conclusion, and most people would say
not supported by the evidence. Are you frequently bothered by such a
limitation in your ability to come up conclusions? Can you really not
imagine why people may object to your objections to Gore, other than
that they are starting a religion?
(snip)
Eric Root
-------- The 40 year old scheme of the Green Scam ----------
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green shit(s):
...are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones, in "environmental
groups" who think they do something for the "environment",
when in fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for
(2) who are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
A lot of class 1 & 2 enviros are calling themselves no
longer "environmentalists" but *"conservationists"* now,.
such as foundations, corporats, lawyers, celebs & RICH fat
cats who are conserving those lands for future generations:
Their OWN descendants only, of course, while all the little
green idiots do the hard and dirty work for them & pay!
---------- Views after 40 years of green criminality --------
=1= In June 05 USDA/FDA aired/published that they will
no longer endorse green products that are labeled "organic"!
=2= The FBI and Homeland Security/DHS has declared
enviros to be the number one terrorist threat to the nation.
=3= Myriads of good, rational & HARD WORKING folks had
enough from environmentalism and began to raise their voices
as did E. Gisin in news:d8j4d...@enews1.newsguy.com...
wherein it sounds like this: "Fucking greens should be shot...."
...and as an encore do never forget that
= Pure politics is driving dozens of public health issues, notably
= global warming, green shit, tobacco & meds now. Great lies
= in service for/of a "noble cause" do trump now truth & fact.
=
= Enviros use the same great lies of yore. Only the color changed.
= (A) Environmentalism is Communism in Green...
= (B) Environmentalism is Nazism in Green...
= (C) Environmentalism makes the Poor poorer and the Rich richer.
Environmentalism is nothing but green pornography,
pimped by green orgs like NRDC, Sierra club, Green Piss, etc.,
whored and hookered by green bureaucrats from EPA down,
johned, pole- and lapdanced by the hordes of little green idiots
and paid for by extorting the money from hardworking taxpayers.
Environmentalism is a malignant, parasitic socio-pathology,
promulgated by opportunistic ex-communists and misogynic,
unemployable perverts, who have succeeded in generating
enviro taxes, permit fees and user surcharges, from which these
useless, enviro-pushers and eco-fanatics draw their welfare checks
and demand grants to generate more enviro shit.
ahahahaha... BTW, do copy and use these above clarifications
often and profusely. There is no permit charge or user fee
associated with it. and nobody will accuse you of plagiarism.
It's a free public service announcement... Use it. Have fun!
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
<snip list of scatology and desperate snapping>
Sorry to back you into a corner like that, hanson, but it *is
traditional on talk.origins to ask for cites or reasoned arguments to
back up any claims of fact, especially those which contradict
mainstream science.
So, this seems to be your way of saying that you have absolutely no
evidence to support your claims. Am I wrong? Note that the simplest and
quickest way to refute my hypothesis is to offer evidence.
Kermit
Note that this was cross-posted to sci.environment. Hanson
takes pride in his ahahahahaha posting. For him, that _is_
content.
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
Timberwoof wrote:
> In article <y8%qh.3289$E35.1992@trnddc02>, "hanson" <han...@quick.net>
> wrote:
<SNIPPAGE>
>>
>> *[1]* ... after the class 1 & 2 enviros coyly tried to put the polar
>> bear unto the endangered species list, there was a news story
>> yesterday that said that there are 5 times as many polar bears
>> today then there were in 1970.
>
> That doesn't necessarily mean that the polar bear is not endangered. And
> if the species environment is about to undergo a radical transformation,
> then there is a danger to the species, no matter how well it has been
> doing over the last 36 years. I also notice that as with your other
> quotes, you didn't give a cite for that news story.
Unsurprisingly, since the news story was wrong.
Some info on the issues is at:
http://assets.panda.org/downloads/polarbearsatrisk.pdf
Including the statement that polar bear populations were estimated at 22,000
in 2002.
In 1970, polar bears were still being hunted; they were protected only two
years later. One would hope that populations would increase after banning
hunting. Their population then was estimated at 10,000:
http://pbsg.npolar.no/Meetings/PressReleases/02-Morges.htm
Which brings down any increase from 5 tiem sto 2.2 times.
More importantly, however, the population in Western Hudson Bay, however,
has been declining since 1987, as sea-ice has melted:
"The polar bear population in Western Hudson Bay, the most-studied of all
populations, has declined from approximately 1,200 bears in 1987, to 1,100
bears in 1995, and then to fewer than 950 bears in 2004 due to ice loss.
And in April 2006, the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center reported that
winter sea ice -- defined as the area with sea ice concentrations of 15
percent or greater -- has shrunk in the past year by over 115,000 square
miles, an area about the size of the Arizona, reaching a new record low of
5.60 million square miles (14.5 million square kilometers)."
http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/061227.asp
>
> Thank you for playing.
--
Robin Levett
rle...@rlevett.ibmuklunix.net (unmunge by removing big blue - don't yahoo)
Stupid-head, why are you trying so hard to discredit your argument by
inane arguments such as guilt by association, appeal to the masses,
slippery-slope, and ad-hominem?
<snipped a stupid copy-paste announcement intended for entertainment>
> It's a free public service announcement... Use it. Have fun!
> ahahahaha... ahahahanson
--
> Judging by the shocked responses I recently
> received after daring to question some of
> Al Gores 'science' and motives relative to
> 'global warming' I can only conclude that
> old Al has become the nexus of a new religion
> complete with unquestionable dogma and a
> hatred of heretics.
What does Al Gore have to do with global warming? I get my information on
global warming from primary science articles. *That* is why I can
confidently declare you incompetent in this area. I have not heard or
read a word from Al Gore for at least six years.
You obviously have difficulty distinguishing cause from effect. Here's a
hint: Suppose you are on a crowded street, and you hear a gunshot,
followed by several screams, followed by someone calling the police. It
was not the call to the police which caused the gunshot.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
--------- [Prior barks form Woofer ] --------------
>
[Timberwoof to Al Bedo]
-------- The 40 year old scheme of the Green Scam ----------
--------- [Prior barks form Woofer ] --------------
>
[Timberwoof to Al Bedo]
-------- The 40 year old scheme of the Green Scam ----------
hanson wrote:
> There is NOTHING accurate in environmentalism, because the
> ----- The EXXON Bible & its Theology says: -------
> = "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
> = believe is true ... -- EXXON CEO, and ......
> = "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
> = accurate. We use hype." -- EXXON PR Dept, and...
> = "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
> = mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
First Uterus Transplant Operation: HoHo Hanson Signs Up to Have Exxon's
Baby.
Sci.environment must be completely polluted.
Sue (updating killfile)
--
"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
Gods, that's a scary thought. So they actually believe they are EQUAL
if they can only drag the rest of society down to their squalid level?
That *IS* frightening. It is like the rather poor book "The Cool War:"
countries abandon bombs, and end up ruining the standard of living in
enemy countries covertly and overtly.
"We shall gain equality by making them as miserable and pathetic as
us!"
It just strikes me as very, very odd that such religionists would use
the word "religion" as a slur, a deprecatory insult.
Infantile hate-fuelled diatribe snipped.
Hey Mr. Feed-and-Breed.
Why don't you improve the state of the planet by removing yourself from
it as quickly as you can you pathetic piece of human garbage? Does
spewing your ignorant cretinous bile over the internet give you a great
big stiffy?
"I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the
way of a whole human being". (Abraham Lincoln).
> I have not heard or read a word from Al Gore for at least six years.
FWIW, Al Gore gave a very well attended talk at this year's
fall meeting of the AGU...he may be a politician, but on climate
change issues he's definitely not a moron and he's definitely not
uneducated
also FWIW, in that particular speach he got his science pretty
much right. as for the "An Inconvenient Truth" film, you can
get a genuinely expert review here:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=299
(and I should say, that's an expert review of the *science*, not
the cinematography ;^D)
--
max
> Judging by the shocked responses I recently
> received after daring to question some of
> Al Gores 'science' and motives relative to
> 'global warming'
read and learn: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=299
> I can only conclude that old Al has become the nexus
> of a new religion complete with unquestionable dogma
> and a hatred of heretics.
oops...my apologies for my previous statement...apparently
asking that you "learn" is a bit more than you'll be able to
manage (at least it would appear so if the statement above is
an accurate gauge of your ability to digest those formidable
things called "facts")
>
> Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed and now Al Gore. I hope
> nobody in Denmark draws any 'insulting' cartoons
> about Al lest his true believers attack :-)
>
> Folks, the terrible truth is that Al Gore is
> a career POLITICIAN. He lies,
got cites for his lies with respect to climate change?
> he stretches the truth,
got cites for his lies with respect to climate change?
> he ignores inconvenient data,
got cites for his lies with respect to climate change?
> he preaches doom and gloom just like Falwell and Robertson
> and for much the same reason - he's out to increase his fame,
> power and wealth just like every career politician.
care to make an argument backed by facts? or do you expect
to simply unleash your blithering nonsense, and then bask
in the awe inspired by your intellect?
> Don't bend a knee and make the sign of Gaia every time his
> name is mentioned, it's embarassing.
>
> It ain't Saint Al, just regular-politician Al.
> I recommend agnosticism.
>
--
max
The problem is with neocons like Luminoso who pretend that everyone who
thinks there's something to AGW is an atheist liberal who hangs on Al Gore's
every word and never heard of AGW until Al Gore made his movie. Did I not
make that clear?
Sorry, I didn't have the earlier context of your writings.
ahahahaha what a thoroughly unpleasant and frankly, scary person you
are.
goodbye
Please be aware the serial reposting of the same content over and over
is spam, and will be treated as such.
This includes massive signature files that are >> 4 lines.
--D.
--
david iain greig dgr...@ediacara.org
moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~dgreig arbor plena alouattarum
True, but he is one of the first big-name politicians to take an
issue seriously that scientists and others have been warning about
for ages.
Whether his motives are questionable or not does not undermine the
importance of the issue itself. Thousands of people outside politics,
who weren't looking for fame, fortune and a political career, have
been researching global warming and warning people about it for ages.
mcv.
--
Science is not the be-all and end-all of human existence. It's a tool.
A very powerful tool, but not the only tool. And if only that which
could be verified scientifically was considered real, then nearly all
of human experience would be not-real. -- Zachriel
(snip)
So, IOW, you can't provide any cites or evidence. What a spectacular
loser you are.
Eric Root
> >
> [Kershit]
> > <snip list of scatology and desperate snapping>
> > Sorry to back you into a corner like that, hanson, but it *is
> > traditional on talk.origins to ask for cites or reasoned arguments to
> > back up any claims of fact, especially those which contradict
> > mainstream science.
> > So, this seems to be your way of saying that you have absolutely no
> > evidence to support your claims. Am I wrong? Note that the simplest
> > and quickest way to refute my hypothesis is to offer evidence.
> > Kermit
> >
> [hanson]
> Your question "Am I wrong?" is good, 'cuz your implied doubts
> are perhaps your only saving grace. Of course, "the simplest
> etc, etc.. evidence" is right here, repeated exclusively for your
> personal benefits. Here it is:
It is SOP for folks looking for truth to understand their limitations.
Feeling certain does not actually make one infallible, you know.
<remove insults>
[...]
Nothing left. So it seems that you indeed have no actual evidence or
reasoned arguments, simply repeated scatological sexual obsessions. I
thought so; simply making sure.
Thank you.
Kermit
hanson wrote:
> ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Attacking the mod? That's a great way to ensure your continued posting
privlidges. DIG (praised be his initials) is very tolerant, but
spamming is one of the great sins of talk.origins. The other is
attacking DIG (praised be his initials).
Will this poster be borked or banned? Only the great DIG (praised be
his initials) knows.
Jason Harvestdancer
You're the silly bugger who x-posted to sci.environment in the first
place and let those two loonies loose in here. Ashes be upon your head.
--
Tiny
(snip)
That's just the exact same crap you've been spamming over and over
again. None of it is a cite, and none of it is evidence.
Eric Root
So I did that ..
> [Tiny class 3 enviro]
> > You're a fucking loony.
And the loony replies back in t.o. anyway ...
> [hanson]
> So, since you couldn't even do your redirecting right
> what then possibly could have cranked you in here?:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/758255132bc0c9ac
> If you do/must responds then I have to repost it openly again.
> Thanks for the laughs, aoler, ahahaha... ahahahanson
That enough for you, DIG?
--
Tiny
I thought the original topic related to the purpose of that group.
Years ago people used to discuss science there. I didn't realize that
that was no longer the case.
Polluted ashes be upon my head.
Jason Harvestdancer
Actually, I, early in this thread, added sci.environment because I
thought the original post related to what was once the purpose of that
group back when science was discussed there.
> what is this "DIG (praised be his initials)" shit? Clue me in.
Inside joke.
Jason Harvestdancer
snip
> >
> [hanson]
> what is this "DIG (praised be his initials)" shit? Clue me in.
> ahahaha.... ahahahanson
Talk.origins is a moderated group. For the most part it is
robo-moderated to prevent excessive cross-posting, or cross-posting to
certain support groups that suffered greatly at the hands of one of
talk.origins former net-loons. There is, however, a real person who
moderates the group, and that person is David Iain Grieg, or DIG. His
is really the ultimate authority on talk.origins, and just to clue you
in, there is _not_ unrestricted free speech here. DIG is an extremely
laissez-faire moderator (and in fact has expressed the sentiment that
he'd be happy to stop moderating t.o. anytime at all) but there are
limits to everything, including DIG's patience.
If you do decide to start posting to t.o. on some sort of mission, be
sure to read the FAQ. You should also pay close attention to anything
DIG says to you, since you ignore it at the peril of being banned. Such
bans are rarely permanent, but they are swift and sure.
Chris
Did I really? Please enlighten me by pointing them out. Pretend I am as
stupid as you are (is that possible?) and need to have everything
spelled out in large block capitals.
> news:1168995919.7...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > A load of bollocks [in his] Infantile hate-fuelled diatribe to hanson
> 'cuz "Corny McU" did not get to hear what he wanted to hear, & said
> >
> [Corny McU]
> > Hey Mr. Feed-and-Breed.
> > Why don't you improve the state of the planet by removing
> > yourself from it as quickly as you can you pathetic piece of
> > human garbage? Does spewing your ignorant cretinous bile
> > over the internet give you a great big stiffy? ....
> >
> [hanson]
> ahahaha.... sorry to hear that you have "great big stiffy" problems
The only problem I have at the moment is with a great big prick. As a
matter of interest were you born that way or did it take a lifetime of
dedicated practice?
> but that is your own misfortune,
My misfortune is having to breathe the same air as human offal like
you.
.... but gravely, you "Corny McU",
> are one of those cases why " The FBI & Homeland Security/DHS
> has declared enviros to be the number one terrorist threat to
> the nation"... ...You are on their watch lists now... ahahahaha....
OOOOOH!! I am SOOOO scared. Does this mean my poor little country is in
danger of coming under the scrutiny of the Unholy Trinity of George
W(anker) Bush, Dickhead Cheney and CondomSleazy Rice with a view to
possible future invasio......er, preventative action? Well hardly, no
oil reserves over here. Does my niece now face deportation from the
USA because of family ties with a threat to National Security? May the
Irish government expect an oh-so-polite request for my extradition to
appear before the House Un-American Activities Committee? I tell you I
will not be able to get a nights sleep unless I am assured that my wife
will sit up watching over me with her hairdryer at the ready.
> Read the whole thing again, below, so that you see that I mean
> well for you. Here it is again, for your personal benefit.
Thanks but no thanks. No matter how often one reads drivel it always
remains drivel.
> Thanks for the laughs, Corny McU, ... ahahaha... ahahanson
Always happy to enrich the miserable, meaningless existence of my
inferiors. Sorry I had to use words of more than one syllable, I
appreciate how difficult it must be for someone whose intellect (such
as it is) resides below his belt buckle.
EXXON-DICK PUMPING HANSON'S MOUTH ALERT!!!: -- Why do I bother with
you? Even the losers I would never acknowledge avoid you because you're
nothing. You're not even a troll.
Sorry, forgot my sig. Must have been because I was quaking in my boots
at the time because of horses arse hanson's pontifications and
prognostications. I tell you, being confronted with so much stupenduous
ignorance can be decidedly scary.Anyway here goes.
"I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the
way of a whole human being". (Abraham Lincoln).
Typical anti-conservation retort would go something like: "Tastes like
chicken." That's a clue to their maturity level.
But with the Pacific, the Philippines got more than their share of
nasty typhoons this year so there's more than meets the eye with
tropical weather patterns. Global warming might only be one factor.
I would like to thank this clown and Hanson for giving me the impetus
to see if there is a functional google groups killfile for Firefox.
I'm pleased to say that there is. You can find it at
http://www.penney.org/ggkiller.html
And with that, I'm proud to announce my very first
<PLONK>
hanson wrote:
> > EXXON-DICK PUMPING HANSON'S MOUTH ALERT!!!: --
> > Why do I bother with you? Even the losers I would never
> > acknowledge avoid you because you're nothing.
> > You're not even a troll.
> >
> [hanson]
> ahahaha...
You fudge-packing, stray dog-humping, armpit-licking, cunt-sucking,
boil-nibbling, shit-brained fucktard! You knuckleheaded,
gibbon-groping, shit-slurping, ass-munching, puss-nibbling, butt-headed
shithead! You peckerheaded, father-groping, shit-licking, shit-sucking,
zit-nibbling, shit-brained dickweasel! You dumbshited, baboon-groping,
armpit-slurping, tit-guzzling, hemorrhoid-chewing, butt-faced dumbfuck!
You shanky-assed, donkey-fucking, crotch-sniffing, toe jam-munching,
pimple-nibbling, cock-faced fucktard! You shanky-assed,
grandma-groping, gym sock-smelling, cunt-sucking, puss-chewing,
cock-headed bobblehead! You anal-invading, donkey-groping,
shit-slurping, rectal-guzzling, boil-popping, dick-brained dipshit! You
window licking, sister-raping, armpit-licking, tit-guzzling,
zit-popping, wank-brained sausage jockey!
ahahaha... he cranked himself grievously ..... hahahahahaha...
"Lion Kuntz" aka "Awe Shit" aka "Loin Cunts" aka "Palace Troll"
aka "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones"
aka <Global.Warming at ARMY.com> / " <Net_Police at h2-pv.us>
aka "Exxon Pays Liars" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
aka "Exxon Crime Spree" <Exxon.RICO.Frauds at ecovilliage.us> >
aka "Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You?"
aka "Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars"
aka "H2-PV, PV-H2" <foo at h2-pv.us> etc., etc.....
aka "Exxon Cock, Hanson's Mouth" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
aka "Mass Cattle Deaths, Another Global Warming Result"
aka "Exxon's Dick Pumping Hanson's Mouth" wrote in message
news:1169086372....@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
news:1169076161....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> have we swaggering here.
> You fudge-packing, stray dog-humping, armpit-licking, cunt-sucking,
> boil-nibbling, shit-brained fucktard! You knuckleheaded,
> gibbon-groping, shit-slurping, ass-munching, puss-nibbling, butt-headed
> shithead! You peckerheaded, father-groping, shit-licking, shit-sucking,
> zit-nibbling, shit-brained dickweasel! You dumbshited, baboon-groping,
> armpit-slurping, tit-guzzling, hemorrhoid-chewing, butt-faced dumbfuck!
> You shanky-assed, donkey-fucking, crotch-sniffing, toe jam-munching,
> pimple-nibbling, cock-faced fucktard! You shanky-assed,
> grandma-groping, gym sock-smelling, cunt-sucking, puss-chewing,
> cock-headed bobblehead! You anal-invading, donkey-groping,
> shit-slurping, rectal-guzzling, boil-popping, dick-brained dipshit! You
> window licking, sister-raping, armpit-licking, tit-guzzling,
> zit-popping, wank-brained sausage jockey!
>
> Why do I bother with you? Even the losers I would never
> acknowledge avoid you because you're nothing.
> You're not even a troll.
>
[hanson]
AHAHAHAHA... "Why do I bother with you?"... ahahaha...
... ahaha.. But "Awe Shit" you just did it again, and you
even use the to you very precious "Hanson" in most of
your handles' subject lines because you cannot attract
attention in any other way... ahahahaAHAHA... Now, "Awe
Shit", did you make any money yet? Here is how you can:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/ec5db72390ee0f99
Thanks for the money, "Awe Shit", ... ... ahahahanson
Who has more money for science research, EXXON or YOU? Who has more
than 12,000 patents filed by staff scientists, EXXON or YOU. When they
say CO2 causes Global Warming Climate Change, you shut your dicksucking
mouth and accept it.
Exxon Surrenders but Death-Rag keeps sucking their dead dick: Exxon
said "Greenhouse gas emissions are one of the factors that contribute
to climate change...
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tobacco.html
Scientists' Report Documents ExxonMobil's Tobacco-like Disinformation
Campaign on Global Warming Science
Oil Company Spent Nearly $16 Million to Fund Skeptic Groups, Create
Confusion
ExxonMobil Report
Read the Report
ExxonMobil Report (PDF)
Appendix C (PDF high resolution)
Appendix C (part 1)
Appendix C (part 2)
Appendix C (part 3)
WASHINGTON, DC, Jan. 3-A new report from the Union of Concerned
Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how
ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry's disinformation tactics,
as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the
scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the
issue. According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16
million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations
that seek to confuse the public on global warming science.
"ExxonMobil has manufactured uncertainty about the human causes of
global warming just as tobacco companies denied their product caused
lung cancer," said Alden Meyer, the Union of Concerned Scientists'
Director of Strategy & Policy. "A modest but effective investment has
allowed the oil giant to fuel doubt about global warming to delay
government action just as Big Tobacco did for over 40 years."
Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco's Tactics to
"Manufacture Uncertainty" on Climate Change details how the oil
company, like the tobacco industry in previous decades, has
* raised doubts about even the most indisputable scientific
evidence
* funded an array of front organizations to create the appearance
of a broad platform for a tight-knit group of vocal climate change
contrarians who misrepresent peer-reviewed scientific findings
* attempted to portray its opposition to action as a positive quest
for "sound science" rather than business self-interest
* used its access to the Bush administration to block federal
policies and shape government communications on global warming
ExxonMobil-funded organizations consist of an overlapping collection of
individuals serving as staff, board members, and scientific advisors
that publish and re-publish the works of a small group of climate
change contrarians. The George C. Marshall Institute, for instance,
which has received $630,000 from ExxonMobil, recently touted a book
edited by Patrick Michaels, a long-time climate change contrarian who
is affiliated with at least 11 organizations funded by ExxonMobil.
Similarly, ExxonMobil funds a number of lesser-known groups such as the
Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy and Committee for a
Constructive Tomorrow. Both groups promote the work of several climate
change contrarians, including Sallie Baliunas, an astrophysicist who is
affiliated with at least nine ExxonMobil-funded groups.
Baliunas is best known for a 2003 paper alleging the climate had not
changed significantly in the past millennia that was rebutted by 13
scientists who stated she had misrepresented their work in her paper.
This renunciation did not stop ExxonMobil-funded groups from continuing
to promote the paper. Through methods such as these, ExxonMobil has
been able to amplify and prop up work that has been discredited by
reputable climate scientists.
"When one looks closely, ExxonMobil's underhanded strategy is as clear
and indisputable as the scientific research it's meant to discredit,"
said Seth Shulman, an investigative journalist who wrote the UCS
report. "The paper trail shows that, to serve its corporate interests,
ExxonMobil has built a vast echo chamber of seemingly independent
groups with the express purpose of spreading disinformation about
global warming."
ExxonMobil has used the laudable goal of improving scientific
understanding of global warming-under the guise of "sound
science"-for the pernicious ends of delaying action to reduce
heat-trapping emissions indefinitely. ExxonMobil also exerted
unprecedented influence over U.S. policy on global warming, from
successfully recommending the appointment of key personnel in the Bush
administration to funding climate change deniers in Congress.
"As a scientist, I like to think that facts will prevail, and they do
eventually," said Dr. James McCarthy, Alexander Agassiz Professor of
Biological Oceanography at Harvard University and former chair of the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's working group on climate
change impacts. "It's shameful that ExxonMobil has sought to obscure
the facts for so long when the future of our planet depends on the
steps we take now and in the coming years."
The burning of oil and other fossil fuels results in additional
atmospheric carbon dioxide that blankets the Earth and traps heat. The
amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased greatly over the last
century and global temperatures are rising as a result. Though
solutions are available now that will cut global warming emissions
while creating jobs, saving consumers money, and protecting our
national security, ExxonMobil has manufactured confusion around climate
change science, and these actions have helped to forestall meaningful
action that could minimize the impacts of future climate change.
"ExxonMobil needs to be held accountable for its cynical disinformation
campaign on global warming," said Meyer. "Consumers, shareholders and
Congress should let the company know loud and clear that its behavior
on this issue is unacceptable and must change."
ahahaha... he cranked himself grievously ..... hahahahahaha...
"Lion Kuntz" aka "Awe Shit" aka "Loin Cunts" aka "Palace Troll"
aka "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones"
aka <Global.Warming at ARMY.com> / " <Net_Police at h2-pv.us>
aka "Exxon Pays Liars" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
aka "Exxon Crime Spree" <Exxon.RICO.Frauds at ecovilliage.us> >
aka "Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You?"
aka "Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars"
aka "H2-PV, PV-H2" <foo at h2-pv.us> etc., etc.....
aka "Exxon Cock, Hanson's Mouth" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
aka "Mass Cattle Deaths, Another Global Warming Result"
aka "Exxon's Dick Pumping Hanson's Mouth" wrote in message
aka "Hanson wallows in Exxon's Brown Turds"
aka "Hanson.Crackwhore at ecovilliage.us>
ahahaha... he cranked himself grievously ..... hahahahahaha...
"Lion Kuntz" aka "Awe Shit" aka "Loin Cunts" aka "Palace Troll"
aka "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones"
aka <Global.Warming at ARMY.com> / " <Net_Police at h2-pv.us>
aka "Exxon Pays Liars" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
aka "Exxon Crime Spree" <Exxon.RICO.Frauds at ecovilliage.us> >
aka "Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You?"
aka "Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars"
aka "H2-PV, PV-H2" <foo at h2-pv.us> etc., etc.....
aka "Exxon Cock, Hanson's Mouth" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
aka "Mass Cattle Deaths, Another Global Warming Result"
aka "Exxon's Dick Pumping Hanson's Mouth" wrote in message
aka "Hanson wallows in Exxon's Brown Turds"
aka "Hanson.Crackwhore at ecovilliage.us>
>
Who has more money for science research, EXXON or YOU? Who has more
than 12,000 patents filed by staff scientists, EXXON or YOU. When they
say CO2 causes Global Warming Climate Change, you shut your dicksucking
mouth and accept it.
Exxon Surrenders but Death-Rag keeps sucking their dead dick: Exxon
Exxon Surrenders but Hanson keeps sucking their dead dick: Exxon said
Well, I agree that Al Gore, as a politician isn't the most qualified
nor trustworthy for the job so to speak, but i'm more liable to
question the motives of scientists employed by Exxon, whose best
interests are in it not being our fault, regardless of whether it is or
not.
So yeah, however many scientists Exxon has on staff or whatever
research they are performing isn't any less credible to me than Al
Gore, knowing Exxon's likely self interests.
> Ernest Major wrote:
>
> > In message <1168897489.4...@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
> > Harvest Dancer <harves...@hotmail.com> writes
> >> Well, yeah.
> >>
> >> Much like creationists who start with the premise that their particular
> >> interpretation of the Bible is true, and then seek to mold the facts to
> >> the initial assumptions, Gore type environmentalists start with the
> >> premise that man is bad for the environment and seek to mold the facts
> >> to the initial assumptions.
>
> Man is demonstrably bad for the environment.
Bull. *CERTAIN* human activities are hamful to the ecosystem.
--
regards , Peter B. P. - http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk
"If guns kill, do pencils cause spelling errors?"
You do have a penchant for repetition don't you? Of course that is only
to be expected from someone who never had an original thought in his
sad, pathetic wasted existence (I won't dignify it by using the term
"life"). Now be a good little boy and get back to kissing corporate
arse. By the way, how does it feel to have an IQ of less than your shoe
or collar size?
Or, perhaps a little more to the point, temperature is not the
only thing changing. Nor (from Arrhenius onwards) is it the only
thing expected to change.
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
[snip]
Wow. I would never trade getting the last word for being mentally ill.
Chris
(snip crap)
> >
> [Eric]
> > That's just the exact same crap you've been spamming over and over
> > again. None of it is a cite, and none of it is evidence.
> > Eric Root
> >
> [hanson]
> .... ahahaha... That only seems to you to be this way because you
> didn't get to hear what you wanted to hear. You appear to be
> severely damaged goods from having been victimized by the
> green Bible that taught you (cit) to believe that:
> >
"Green Bible?" You are hallucinating. What's that? Also, evidently
anti-environment creeps evidently are as addicted to quote mines as
anti-science creeps in general. You still have offered one shred of
evidence, just a bunch of babbled quotes. So, you lose.
(snip repetitious spam)
Eric Root
I deeply apologize for ever crossposting this to sci.environment in he
first place. I thought that, as a sci group dealing with environmental
issues, they might be relevant to this thread. I didn't know how
degraded that group was.
Can you please do something about Hanson and Lion Kuntz (the nym
shifter) (yes, that's his actual screen name), or at least put a
temporary block on cross posting between the two groups?
Jason Harvestdancer
On Jan 18, 4:08 pm, "Harvest Dancer" <harvestdan...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> David Iain Greig wrote:
> > hanson <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> > > ... ahahahaha... a new victim of environmentalism, a class 3 enviro aka
> > > "Timberwoof" <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> STILL whines in
> > >news:timberwoof.spam-E4...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...
>
> > Please be aware the serial reposting of the same content over and over
> > is spam, and will be treated as such.
>
> > This includes massive signature files that are >> 4 lines.I deeply apologize for ever crossposting this to sci.environment in he
> first place. I thought that, as a sci group dealing with environmental
> issues, they might be relevant to this thread. I didn't know how
> degraded that group was.
It does rather make a mockery of t.o.'s ostensible function of keeping
the loonies out of the sci. groups, doesn't it? I hope the others are
properly moderated, and kept free of hyenas.
--
Tiny
That's unfair to hyenas. How many hyenas exhibit the sort of willful
mental illness we saw in this thread?
Chris
>
> --
> Tiny