Lucy On Tour
Alexander
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6934230.stm
But not without controversy it seems:
"The oldest humanoid skeleton ever found has been taken out of
Ethiopia for a controversial tour of American museums.
Archaeologists say the 3.2m-year-old remains - known as Lucy - are far
too fragile to be moved around.
But Ethiopia said it would use cash raised from the six-year tour to
fund museums back home and build new ones."
chris.li...@gmail.com
The BBC says New York is on the itinerary. One would hope the
American Museum of Natural History will be showing her. Anyone up for
a New York City Howlerfest in Lucy's honor?
Chris
Richard Clayton
mc...@sunset.net
How would anyone know if they were circulating a replica of Lucy and
not the real fossils?
JM
Bruce Stephens
[...]
> How would anyone know if they were circulating a replica of Lucy and
> not the real fossils?
What a strange world you live in.
Imagine the negative publicity should anyone find out. And what would
be the reason for deceptively presenting copies rather than the real
thing?
Nothing wrong with showing copies---sometimes there's a good reason.
Hence Lascaux 2, for example.
But pretending is just so risky, so why do it?
Martin Andersen
r norman
I think the trademark label and the "Made in China" notice stamped on
each bone would give it away.
Glenn
anyone could get to it.
In reality, any old ape bones would do to take the show on the road:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152801536&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Greg G.
Of course, they could probably get a pelvis from a nearby cemetery.
--
Greg G.
We were so poor, we went to KFC to lick other people's fingers.
Rodjk #613
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/5030089.html
She is coming to Houston first, opening on 31 August.
Anyone up for a Houston Howlerfest?
Rodjk #613
chris.li...@gmail.com
I ignore the gmail address I am forced to list. If there is continued
interest, I will post an email to coordinate the NY 'fest.
Chris
chris.li...@gmail.com
John, that is- despite what others have written- an excellent question
You need to ask, though, what is to be gained by circulating copies?
People from the museums where the bones will be exhibited will be
lining up and salivating at the chance to inspect the bones. It is
really easy for darn near anyone to spot the difference between a real
bone and some sort of fake. A paleontologist would spot that in less
than a second. Hell, even I could tell the difference between bone and
some sort of fake.
In any case, why does this matter to you? Lucy's bones are so...so..SO
well known that a fake that purported to show different measurements
would be outed in a day, at most.
Chris
chris.li...@gmail.com
In reality, Glenn is a clueless idiot and he thinks everyone else is
as clueless as he. In the real world, anyone with any training at all
could spot the difference between almost any ape bone and Lucy's
bones.
Glenn, you're a trolling fool. Shut up, go away, and stick to trying
to puzzle out the nutrition labels on bags of pork rinds.
Chris
JTEM
> The BBC says New York is on the itinerary. One would
> hope the American Museum of Natural History will be
> showing her. Anyone up for a New York City Howlerfest
> in Lucy's honor?
Absolutely! But I would be expecting you to perform a lap dance.
If you're up for it, I'll make sure I'm "Up" for it...
Ye Old One
Would it actually make any difference?
--
Bob.
Richard Clayton
Approximately when will Lucy be touring New Yawk? How far down the
list is the Big Apple?
Richard Clayton
I'm merely an educated amateur, but I'd bet I could tell a Lucy's
skeleton from any living species of great ape. The pelvis is all
wrong, as are the available pieces of skull.
Richard Clayton
And certainly the exposed fraud would bring an enormous amount of
censure and ridicule for the perpetrator. A man hawking a fake Lucy
would probably be treated much the same as one hawking a fake Mona
Lisa.
TomS
<1186596772.6...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Richard Clayton
stated..."
[...snip...]
>
>Approximately when will Lucy be touring New Yawk? How far down the
>list is the Big Apple?
>
The latest that I saw said that the schedule is not yet
fixed at this date. But that the AMNH may not be
interested, out of concern for the fossils.
--
---Tom S.
"... to call in a special or miraculous act of creation reduces every
conceivable world to accident."
Jacob Bronowski, in "American Scholar" v.43 (1974) page 400
chris.li...@gmail.com
> "On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:12:52 -0000, in article
> stated..."
> [...snip...]
>
>
>
> >Approximately when will Lucy be touring New Yawk? How far down the
> >list is the Big Apple?
>
> The latest that I saw said that the schedule is not yet
> fixed at this date. But that the AMNH may not be
> interested, out of concern for the fossils.
On the other hand, I would prefer that if the fossils are going to be
travelling about, that they stop in places where people have the
expertise to treat them properly...
Chris
Noelie S. Alito
Count me in.
H. noeliensis
r norman
>Op Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:49:07 -0400, schreef r norman:
>Lucy bones made in China would be fantastic idea. As long as they are the
>right shape and size. They could be a huge success when sold in a nice
>Lucy box with Lucy booklets and Lucy posters.
>
>Personally, I would also love to have cheap but not *too* badly looking
>replicas of some important ancestral (to H.sapiens) skulls. I saw some
>offerings for academic use, but they were too expensive for me (just an
>interested layman/amateur, me)
>
>I would not mind if they were slightly less than perfect. I think I could
>suffer a tiny casting fin or something on a plastic/nylon/epoxy model. It
>still would be great sometimes when having that sort of discussion, to be
>able to hand the models to a friend and say: see for yourself, compare
>their sizes, compare their shapes. I would be admiring them myself, too.
>
>If these don't exist yet, some toy manufacturer somewhere should step
>forward and make them. It can't be too hard.
I certainly didn't want to denigrate the use of models or replicas for
general study. They can be enormously useful, provided that they are
high quality replicas that retain the important features of the
original. The question was whether a museum tour could get away with
replicas that are not clearly marked as such and the answer is no.
Very few people could tell the difference but there will be sufficient
number of experts interested in viewing the museum exhibit that they
wouldn't get away with the ruse for long.
Of course, no doubt the question was originally raised as a snide
comment about the Piltdown specimens which were not recognized as
forgeries for some time. But the fact is that they were so
recognized, and so would Lucy replicas.
You can, indeed, buy high quality anthropological replicas. See, for
example
http://www.boneclones.com/catalog_fossil_hominids.htm
Noelie S. Alito
> Op Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:49:07 -0400, schreef r norman:
>
> right shape and size. They could be a huge success when sold in a nice
> Lucy box with Lucy booklets and Lucy posters.
>
> Personally, I would also love to have cheap but not *too* badly looking
> replicas of some important ancestral (to H.sapiens) skulls. I saw some
> offerings for academic use, but they were too expensive for me (just an
> interested layman/amateur, me)
You can get replicas of hom skulls right now, but you
pay extra for quality:
http://www.skullsunlimited.com/hominidae.htm
http://skullduggery.com/extinct.htm
Lucy is available in "museum quality" only, which is even pricier
(a variety of subsets are offered, or $1,800.00 for the whole set).
> I would not mind if they were slightly less than perfect. I think I could
> suffer a tiny casting fin or something on a plastic/nylon/epoxy model. It
> still would be great sometimes when having that sort of discussion, to be
> able to hand the models to a friend and say: see for yourself, compare
> their sizes, compare their shapes. I would be admiring them myself, too.
>
> If these don't exist yet, some toy manufacturer somewhere should step
> forward and make them. It can't be too hard.
>
Google ["hominid skull" model] for more options.
Klaus Hellnick
I live near Houston. I would certainly want to attend.
Klaus