Can Quantum Mechanics Explain God?
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Theology and science were never good bedfellows -- until recently.
Last week, we talked about the role religion played historically and why it may be failing us at this point in our evolution. Using science, it appears we can now explain how we interact with God (the universe) through our thoughts. Ancient biblical text, through its rituals, taught us to pray, to chant, to meditate in order to ask God to manifest our desires. Now, it is clear that there is a boundary between science and philosophy, between reality and fantasy. That boundary is Quantum Mechanics. Quantum Mechanics is the steppingstone between ourselves and the Universe, between what we want and making it actually happen in the natural.
Photons
It all starts with the photon, that little corpuscle of light. A photon is a packet of energy of a given wavelength; light of certain wavelengths we can see. Thus red, blue, yellow are all visible wavelengths to us, while infrared, ultraviolet and gamma rays are not. From here, a scientist named Max Planck defined an equation to describe the energy of light. He said that a given photon's energy is equal to its frequency times a constant named after him, that we call Planck's Constant. This simply formula is written as E = h v, where "h" is Planck's constant, and "v" is the photon's frequency. Planck's constant being a very small number, being equal to 6.63 x 10 ^-34 Joule-seconds, so we can expect the energy of a single photon to likewise be equally tiny. But remember that in a given beam of light there are far more photons than there are blades of grass in your backyard.
Albert Einstein Does Not Like Quantum Mechanics
Now, something else that figures in here was actually contributed by one of Quantum Mechanic's biggest detractors, Albert Einstein. He said that energy and matter are the same thing, that all matter is comprised of energy. His equation is the even more famous, E=mc^2, where "m" is an object's mass and "c^2" means the speed of light squared. So all matter -- you, me, this post you're reading, the computer you're reading it on -- is made up of energy. But what is energy? Well, Einstein went on to say that light is, in fact, a very small particle with the energy described by Planck's equation, so energy in it's purest form is carried by photons of light. Thus, we are all of us made up of constrained light.
We speak of light like as if it is a particle, even as we say that photons are discrete packets of energy. But light has a wavelength, which makes it a wave. So is it particle or wave? The answer is both. Thus we have two of the basic precepts of Quantum Mechanics. The first: Energy is not a continuous stream, but actually a stream of discrete, if very small, units that we call quanta. The second is that photons behave both like particles and like waves. It sounded pretty weird at first, but as people thought it over they realized that it did explain why electrons are found only in certain energy levels.
Energy makes up matter, electrons are a form of matter, so electrons are made up of energy, which means photons. Light being comprised of streams of individual particles then forces electrons to inhabit only specific energy levels when in orbit around the nucleus of an atom. When an electron gives up or receives energy, it is doing so in the form of giving up or receiving photons of light (of which it is comprised). Since photons are seen to come in discrete packets and not continuous streams of energy, then an electron is limited to exchanging energy solely in multiples of these minimal packets of energy; no fractional amounts of a single photon are allowed. When in orbit around the nucleus of an atom, then, if an electron is to move closer to or farther away from the nucleus (i.e., raise or lower its energy), it can do so only in multiples of a photon's energy. This translates into there being very specific energy levels that an electron can obtain in orbit around the nucleus. It's like the steps on a ladd
er: You can't climb up half a step. The steps would be the energy levels and the spacing between the steps determined by the size of a photon.
This insistence on discrete energy levels dictates how atoms interact with one another, which forms the chemistry of bulk matter -- everything from the stars to ourselves. So it can be seen that the nature of the very littlest of things can have a tremendous impact on everything else, on the nature of our reality. The formation of matter in our reality is, at its essence, the result of brain waves.
Thoughts = energy
Energy = matter
Thoughts = matter
Our thoughts are the language of the universe -- the frequency of our thoughts, not the words that we use to describe our thoughts. The Universe/God sends us back exactly what we are asking for. It is not listening to our words though, only our brain waves. The universe does not judge; it simply returns what we are projecting out with our brain waves. These waves can be measured and represent our consciousness. It is our consciousness that creates our world in the natural. Hence, for the first time in the history of man, ask and it shall be given is a biblical truism that can be explained using Quantum theory.
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Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
I wonder if you saw my own recent commentary in polemical style, or
"diatribe", on the subject of dumping random web page text into
talk.origins, and what a bloody waste of time it is.
In this case
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-baksa/who-is-god-can-he-be-
expl_b_894003.html>
"Peter Baksa who is God"? I think that's going to be disputed.
David Hare-Scott
This must surely be a contender for the award for the largest non sequitur
leap of the year.
> We speak of light like as if it is a particle, even as we say that
> photons are discrete packets of energy. But light has a wavelength,
> which makes it a wave. So is it particle or wave? The answer is both.
> Thus we have two of the basic precepts of Quantum Mechanics. The
> first: Energy is not a continuous stream, but actually a stream of
> discrete, if very small, units that we call quanta. The second is
> that photons behave both like particles and like waves. It sounded
> pretty weird at first, but as people thought it over they realized
> that it did explain why electrons are found only in certain energy
> levels.
>
> Energy makes up matter, electrons are a form of matter, so electrons
> are made up of energy, which means photons.
Elephants contain water, you contain water, therefore you are an elephant.
Light being comprised of
> streams of individual particles then forces electrons to inhabit only
> specific energy levels when in orbit around the nucleus of an atom.
> When an electron gives up or receives energy, it is doing so in the
> form of giving up or receiving photons of light (of which it is
> comprised). Since photons are seen to come in discrete packets and
> not continuous streams of energy, then an electron is limited to
> exchanging energy solely in multiples of these minimal packets of
> energy; no fractional amounts of a single photon are allowed. When in
> orbit around the nucleus of an atom, then, if an electron is to move
> closer to or farther away from the nucleus (i.e., raise or lower its
> energy), it can do so only in multiples of a photon's energy. This
> translates into there being very specific energy levels that an
> electron can obtain in orbit around the nucleus. It's like the steps
> on a ladd
>
> er: You can't climb up half a step. The steps would be the energy
> levels and the spacing between the steps determined by the size of a
> photon.
>
> This insistence on discrete energy levels dictates how atoms interact
> with one another, which forms the chemistry of bulk matter --
> everything from the stars to ourselves. So it can be seen that the
> nature of the very littlest of things can have a tremendous impact on
> everything else, on the nature of our reality. The formation of
> matter in our reality is, at its essence, the result of brain waves.
>
Another amazing leap of faith with no support.
> Thoughts = energy
> Energy = matter
> Thoughts = matter
>
> Our thoughts are the language of the universe -- the frequency of our
> thoughts, not the words that we use to describe our thoughts. The
> Universe/God sends us back exactly what we are asking for. It is not
> listening to our words though, only our brain waves. The universe
> does not judge; it simply returns what we are projecting out with our
> brain waves. These waves can be measured and represent our
> consciousness. It is our consciousness that creates our world in the
> natural. Hence, for the first time in the history of man, ask and it
> shall be given is a biblical truism that can be explained using
> Quantum theory.
>
> Visit Peter Baksa's private tumblr.
So a tumblr is a new religion that is less well thought out than the
standard kind. Thoughtful of you to provide a word for it.
David
r norman
Obviously Quantum Mechanics IS God! God is the wave function. That
explains why, when you try to find any evidence, you have to observe
it so it collapses and the evidence disappears.
Arkalen
> Can Quantum Physics Explain God?
If it could, then God would be a proven natural phenomenon and
1) The preponderance of physicists would not only believe in God, but
they'd all believe in the same specific God that quantum mechanics
explains and
2) All the theologians whose conception of God happened to be a bit
different would be up in arms against quantum mechanics.
We don't see either of those things, so the likely answer is "no".
Yeah, this. This last sentence does not follow in any way from all of
the previous ones. You do realize that your brain's physical (quantum)
wavelength has nothing to do with "brain waves", right?
>
> Thoughts = energy
> Energy = matter
> Thoughts = matter
You shouldn't use the equal sign when you mean the English word "is";
"is" doesn't denote equivalence relationships, it denotes inclusion
relationships (see "a dog is a mammal; a mammal isn't always a dog").
Hence, while a materialist point of view (nothing special about quantum
mechanics here) does say that thoughts are a property of matter and
energy, as far as we can tell they're a property of matter and energy
that is brain-shaped, not ALL matter and energy.
>
> Our thoughts are the language of the universe -- the frequency of our thoughts, not the words that we use to describe our thoughts. The Universe/God sends us back exactly what we are asking for. It is not listening to our words though, only our brain waves. The universe does not judge; it simply returns what we are projecting out with our brain waves. These waves can be measured and represent our consciousness.
Again, nothing special about quantum theory here. One could phrase
Laplacian determinism the exact same way (our thoughts are part of the
causality of the Universe; every timestep the Universe/God reads our
thoughts and sends us the thought that naturally follows). But it's a
very confusing way of phrasing physics.
> It is our consciousness that creates our world in the natural.
... Case in point. See what weird beliefs this confusing phrasing leads
to ? Our consciousness creates our perception of the world, and through
our actions it influences the world, but "our consciousness creates the
world" does not follow from anything you've said, or from quantum physics.
> Hence, for the first time in the history of man, ask and it shall be given is a biblical truism that can be explained using Quantum theory.
Or not.
Tim Anderson
Well obviously god is the wave function, dude. Why else would the left-
hand break at Bells Beach exist?
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
> vangu...@gmx.us wrote:
> > Visit Peter Baksa's private tumblr.
>
> So a tumblr is a new religion that is less well thought out than the
> standard kind. Thoughtful of you to provide a word for it.
It's a kind of lottery, but it's usually spelled "tombola".
Do you see what I mean about arguing with text taken from a web page
whose location you don't know being an utter waste of time?
Darwin123
TomS
<2fd0d8df-25d5-428b...@u26g2000vby.googlegroups.com>, Darwin123
stated..."
>
>On Jul 13, 5:08 pm, "vangu...@gmx.us" <vangu...@gmx.us> wrote:
>> Can Quantum Physics Explain God?
> If physics could explain God, then it couldn't be God.
>
If "scientific creationism" or "intelligent design" could explain
God, then it couldn't be God.
--
---Tom S.
"... the heavy people know some magic that can make things move and even fly,
but they're not very bright, because they can't survive without their magic
contrivances"
Xixo, in "The Gods Must Be Crazy II"
TomS
<2fd0d8df-25d5-428b...@u26g2000vby.googlegroups.com>, Darwin123
stated..."
>
>> Can Quantum Physics Explain God?
> If physics could explain God, then it couldn't be God.
>
If "scientific creationism" or "intelligent design" could explain
God, then it couldn't be God.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
> "On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT), in article
> stated..."
>
>
>
> >On Jul 13, 5:08 pm, "vangu...@gmx.us" <vangu...@gmx.us> wrote:
> >> Can Quantum Physics Explain God?
> > If physics could explain God, then it couldn't be God.
>
> If "scientific creationism" or "intelligent design" could explain
> God, then it couldn't be God.
If God could explain "scientific creationism", then it wouldn't be
bullshit.
Unless that was the explanation.
Which it is.
Paul J Gans
'Tis known as Bell's Inequality, eh?
--
--- Paul J. Gans
John S. Wilkins
Only for surfers who aren't local. They don't get to surf the break.
--
John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
AGW Facts
> Can Quantum Physics Explain God?
What gods?