OT: Donald Trump would be the last president of the US

[eridanus]

Michael Moore: If Elected, Donald Trump Would Be "Last President of the United States"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hsi-qvFE4M

Publicado el 7 nov. 2016

http://democracynow.org -
With the presidential election just a day away, we continue our conversation with Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore, the director of "Roger & Me," "Fahrenheit 9/11," "Bowling for Columbine," "Sicko," "Capitalism: A Love Story" and "Where to Invade Next." He has just released a surprise new film titled "Michael Moore in TrumpLand." On Thursday afternoon, we spoke with Michael Moore about his new film, in which he suggests that the election of Donald Trump will herald the end of the United States.

A good speech. Well, you know Michael Moore.

eri

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:26:11 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by eridanus
<leopoldo...@gmail.com>:

Oh, indeed I do.
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

[Robert Carnegie]

A colleague of Rich Hall on a BBC radio show suggested
it may be time to collect two of every animal.

The plan is not good - genetics - but the sentiment is
understood.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Of all places on the Weatherunderground blog someone posted a meme that was
a chalkboard sign outside the bookstore saying something like: "The post
apocalyptic fiction has now been moved into our current affairs section."

[eridanus]

they were exaggerating. This is not yet the end, it is the beginning of
the end. ISTM these were the words of Churchill. The beginning of the end.

Then end would come with a deepening economic depression, and the exhaustion
of the fossil fuels. The Syrian civil wars would be a pale image of what
would come up. We would be (in Europe) full of Islamic immigrants with
no job, not any perspectives of finding one. The welfare state of Europe
would collapse for lack money.
As president Reagan once said "Ya aren't see nothing yet".
Improving on his famous phrase, <the economy is not the problem, the
people is the problem.> Just imagine an idyllic picture, <total absence
of human beings>.

Eri

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:34:59 -0800 (PST), the following

appeared in talk.origins, posted by eridanus
<leopoldo...@gmail.com>:

>El viernes, 18 de noviembre de 2016, 0:25:01 (UTC), *Hemidactylus* escribió:
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>> > A colleague of Rich Hall on a BBC radio show suggested
>> > it may be time to collect two of every animal.
>> >
>> > The plan is not good - genetics - but the sentiment is
>> > understood.
>>
>> Of all places on the Weatherunderground blog someone posted a meme that was
>> a chalkboard sign outside the bookstore saying something like: "The post
>> apocalyptic fiction has now been moved into our current affairs section."
>
>they were exaggerating. This is not yet the end, it is the beginning of
>the end. ISTM these were the words of Churchill. The beginning of the end.

Sort of. What he said (after the Normandy invasion, IIRC)
was close to "This is not the end. It is not even the
beginning of the end. But it may be the end of the
beginning".

I now return you to the usual quadrennial "wailing and
gnashing of teeth".

>Then end would come with a deepening economic depression, and the exhaustion
>of the fossil fuels. The Syrian civil wars would be a pale image of what
>would come up. We would be (in Europe) full of Islamic immigrants with
>no job, not any perspectives of finding one. The welfare state of Europe
>would collapse for lack money.
>As president Reagan once said "Ya aren't see nothing yet".
>Improving on his famous phrase, <the economy is not the problem, the
>people is the problem.> Just imagine an idyllic picture, <total absence
>of human beings>.

[erik simpson]

People should chill. After all, Stephen Hawking just warned us that we only
have a millineum left. However, that may just be an addition to the rich
tradition of British academics to wander off the reservation a bit in their
later years.

[Rolf]

"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:v1bu2clp9hsa3gp95...@4ax.com...

That can't happen too soon for me.

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:49:05 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastsi...@gmail.com>:

>People should chill.

Agreed 100%. And it's over now; one of two main horrible
choices won. So let's sit back, pour a cool one (I recommend
Newcastle), and watch carefully to see what happens.

> After all, Stephen Hawking just warned us that we only
>have a millineum left.

Missed that. Global warming? Nuclear winter? The Sweet
Asteroid of Death? Aliens with a cookbook? Cite?

> However, that may just be an addition to the rich
>tradition of British academics to wander off the reservation a bit in their
>later years.

[erik simpson]

GIYF. It's been all over the news. Full disclosure: I haven't read any
of the news stories, just headlines. They suggest the he suggests we have to
find another planet to live on. I have no doubt that whatever it is that he
said has been distorted, in some cases grossly so. So I don't know which of
the various apolcalyptic possibilities he favors.

[jonathan]

Please keep in mind the large evolutionary steps
take place through catastrophic events, natural
selection merely fine tunes.

The US just had one in the big crash of '08 so
we're fine, it's the brittle dictatorships like
Russia and China that have dark days ahead.

Self organized democracies, like any evolving
system, will adapt and thrive. The old cliche
holds that when America catches a cold the world
catches a fever is true. With each world crisis
the nation that best mimics an evolving system
will move farther ahead of the rest.

Relatively speaking America benefits from
rapid and large scale change.


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[eridanus]

OK You look a lot smarter than Trump
eri

[jillery]

Of course, that's a very low bar.
--
This space is intentionally not blank.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:36:35 -0800 (PST), the following

>GIYF. It's been all over the news. Full disclosure: I haven't read any
>of the news stories, just headlines. They suggest the he suggests we have to
>find another planet to live on. I have no doubt that whatever it is that he
>said has been distorted, in some cases grossly so. So I don't know which of
>the various apolcalyptic possibilities he favors.

GIIMF. From the first hit:

https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/17/stephen-hawking-warns-humans-may-have-only-1-000-years-left-on-e/

"I don't think we will survive another 1,000 years without
escaping our fragile planet"

So it's more of a "feeling" he has than a prediction based
on something concrete, and according to the article one he's
been voicing for quite a while.

Well, the one thing of which we can be certain is the humans
will become extinct; the unknowns are when and by what
agency.

[Robert Carnegie]

I'm seeing too many interpretations that he meant
/exactly/ 1000 years. I mean, realistically, don't
make plans for February.

[Bob Casanova]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:07:57 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Robert Carnegie
<rja.ca...@excite.com>:

....or even for tomorrow. But living as if there's no
tomorrow doesn't usually end well.

[Robert Carnegie]

Well... you can get groceries quickly on the internet now.
Maybe laundry.

I was thinking about the new administration in the U.S. ...

[Bob Casanova]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:47:46 -0800 (PST), the following

Yeah, it's bad. But it could have been worse.

[jillery]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:23:35 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:

Time will tell.

[Earle Jones27]

*
Yes, it's bad – and it WILL be worse.

Here's the forecast:

Jan. 20, 2017 – Trump is inaugurated as President. Pence is vice-president.
Jan. 21, 2017 – Trump resigns as President, Pence becomes President,
automatically.

Trump's reasons:

"It would not be fair to my family if I gave up control of my
international properties and businesses."
and
"It would not be fair to the American people, if I did not give up
control of my international properties and businesses."

"Therefore, I must resign as your President. Please support President
Pence. I will remain at his side to do anything I can do to help him."

Did you know that Pence, not Trump, is now receiving the daily morning
intelligence briefings?

Actually, I predicted the above scenario with some friends a couple of
months ago. I read Trump – He wants to win, not to serve. Trump
doesn't serve anybody. People serve Trump. He knows that he is
unqualified to serve as President. For God's sake, he's been told that
by all of the Democrats and about half of the Republicans. I think he
knows it. He doesn't want to go from his gold-toilet airplane to Air
Force One. That's a giant step down! The most difficult job in the
world – for a measly $400,000 a year?

Of course, just between us, Pence frightens me more than Trump. Pence
is a religious fanatic and very predictable. His school of thought is,
"Evolution is only a theory." Does he know that gravity, atoms, and a
few other profound things are "only a theory." I think he thinks a
"theory" is a "wild-ass guess."

Pence has said:

"First, I am a Christian.
Second, I am a conservative.
And third, I am a Republican.

I would think that "I am an American" would be in there somewhere –
maybe 4th or 5th place.

How about this: As President, Pence names his choice for the Supreme
Court: Donald Trump!

No, scratch that! Let's not get carried away. He could name Sara
Palin, Chris Christie or Bobo the Clown.

Believe me, it's going to get worse.

earle
*

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:37:02 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>:

Yep.

[jillery]

I hope you don't mind, but I think it's appropriate to append to your
post the links to some Pence videos Hemidactylus previously provided:

https://youtu.be/ikax0Y0NJsY

https://youtu.be/ap38iihBjZY

https://youtu.be/SkUgDCk0Xi4

[eridanus]

it is possible. We have strait narrows ahead.
eri

[jillery]

As an addendum:

<http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-with-no-evidence-that-%E2%80%98millions-of-people%E2%80%99-voted-illegally/ar-AAkP3mF?li=BBnb7Kz>

<http://tinyurl.com/zhqmyns>

Special pleading run amok. One can only wonder why Trump would
impeach an election he won.

[Cubist]

With the Angry Cheeto, what you see is exactly and precisely what you get: A thin-skinned, narcissistic bully who *must* be The Maximum Winner at all times. He won the Electoral College vote, but *not* the popular vote; therefore, the popular vote must be wrong, because he is the Maximum Winner, and the Maximum Winner could not possibly have lost *anything*.

[jillery]

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 01:08:50 -0800 (PST), Cubist <Xub...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Since you mention the popular vote, it turns out, with the counting of
the absentee ballots, the popular vote for Clinton is very close to
the 2% margin predicted by most of the polls. But rather than
settling matters, that only serves to highlight a related question:
since the polls accurately predicted the popular vote, how did they
miss so badly the results for the individual States?