A sober and important article in The Onion...
Michael Siemon
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I especially like the line:
"According to records, Sumerian farmers, priests, and civic
administrators were not only befuddled, but also took issue with the
face of God moving across the water, saying that He scared away those
who were traveling to Mesopotamia to participate in their vast and
intricate trade system."
bpuharic
1000 years from now, some creationist will proclaim this is the word
of god
chris thompson
And after that, the fishing sucked.
Chris
Michael Siemon
bpuharic <wf...@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm sure the editors of The Onion would be pleased by such a result...
All-seeing-I
Michael Siemon
<98186fb5-6c99-465d...@1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
Yeah; you should read what the Sumerians wrote about THAT.
(Now, how did they manage to do so when all but Noah's immediate
family were wiped out? Huh? Huh? How'd they do THAT!...)
Moron.
Despite the Onion's delightfully pointed fiction, the Sumerian
response to "The Flood" is actually known...
(Hint: it is plagiarized without attribution in THE BIBLE...)
el cid
> In article
> <98186fb5-6c99-465d-b6d7-d608e2aef...@1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
I don't recall one of the 10 commandments being "don't
plagiarize".
All-seeing-I
Why do you speak of things you know nothing about?
Abraham was a Sumerian. He was born in Ur. Ur was a Sumerian city. Why
would it be unusual for the Hebrews (descendent's of Abraham) to know
his Semitic traditions? One of those traditions was the flood story.
How is a handed down family tradition from the city of Ur, plagiary?
ohhh thats right. The evo freaks read something in a book or on the
internet and they believe it without checking it's validity first.
Are you always this easily lied to? If so... hey. I have some great
vacation land in Florida for sale. Let me tell you about it.
Dick C.
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> I especially like the line:
>
> "According to records, Sumerian farmers, priests, and civic
> administrators were not only befuddled, but also took issue with the
> face of God moving across the water, saying that He scared away those
> who were traveling to Mesopotamia to participate in their vast and
> intricate trade system."
>
I like this part. And we can see that nothing has changed:
According to the cuneiform tablets, Sumerians found God's most puzzling
act to be the creation from dust of the first two human beings.
"These two people made in his image do not know how to communicate, lack
skills in both mathematics and farming, and have the intellectual
capacity of an infant," one Sumerian philosopher wrote. "They must be
the creation of a complete idiot."
--
Dick #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Mitchell Coffey
I must admit, and with all respect, even though it's not fair or
accurate of them, I appreciate the qualifier preceding "God" in the
title: "Sumerians Look On In Confusion As Christian God Creates
World." Very few Jews take all this business in the sense that modern
Fundamentalists define "literal." I mean, we're not stupid and we
value education.
Mitchell
Mitchell Coffey
Hold your horses: the real flood story - my people's - was dictated to
Moses by G-d and you friggin' know it! It wasn't passed down from the
Sumerians as some freakin' Semitic tradition! This is Scripture, jerk-
off, not g-d damn bedtime stories!
"Why would it be unusual," my ass. This was a one-time deal, schmuck.
Mitchell Coffey
TomS
<8a498542-60df-46c6...@l2g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Mitchell
Coffey stated..."
One small point. The Sumerians were not Semites, in the sense that
the Sumerian language is not at all related to the Semitic languages.
(Sumerian is unrelated, as far as known, to any other language.)
--
---Tom S.
the failure to nail currant jelly to a wall is not due to the nail; it is due to
the currant jelly.
Theodore Roosevelt, Letter to William Thayer, 1915 July 2
Mitchell Coffey
> "On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:10:50 -0800 (PST), in article
I know that, Tom. Shoot, any fool knows that. Just it's, Madman aint
your everyday fool, take what I'm saying.
OK, so if Abraham was a Sumerian, and the descendent's of Abraham were
Hebrews, when did they stop being Sumerians and start being Hebrews?
This is a particularly urgent question, given as you say that Sumerian
is unrelated to Hebrew. Are we now to believe, to mention just one
more difficulty with Madman's account, that Hebrew was not created
prior to Abraham, after that notorious building collapse in Babel?
And why when Hebrews appears in history do they write like
Phoenicians, instead of with those funny little triangles, like
Sumerians?
Mitchell
heekster
<mlsi...@sonic.net> wrote:
a simpler link:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/sumerians_look_on_in_confusion_as
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by el cid
<elcid...@gmail.com>:
"Thou shalt not steal."
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by All-seeing-I
<ap...@email.com>:
>After that came the flood.
And yet no civilization recorded it, and all went on as if
nothing had happened. What a quandary for the poor befuddled
Biblical literalist; it's almost as if there was no global
flood at all!
bpuharic
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>Why do you speak of things you know nothing about?
>
>Abraham was a Sumerian. He was born in Ur. Ur was a Sumerian city. Why
>would it be unusual for the Hebrews (descendent's of Abraham) to know
>his Semitic traditions? One of those traditions was the flood story.
>
>How is a handed down family tradition from the city of Ur, plagiary?
>
>ohhh thats right. The evo freaks read something in a book or on the
>internet and they believe it without checking it's validity first.
>
>Are you always this easily lied to? If so... hey. I have some great
>vacation land in Florida for sale. Let me tell you about it.
says the guy who reads a book from 2500 years ago and believes it w/o
checking its validity
Ye Old One
He is a fictional character.
>He was born in Ur. Ur was a Sumerian city. Why
>would it be unusual for the Hebrews (descendent's of Abraham) to know
>his Semitic traditions? One of those traditions was the flood story.
Which we know was fiction.
>
>How is a handed down family tradition from the city of Ur, plagiary?
It was stolen by the writers of the bible and used with out
attribution. What part of that are you not getting?
>
>ohhh thats right. The evo freaks read something in a book or on the
>internet and they believe it without checking it's validity first.
Yes, you do, and as a result make a complete fool of yourself all the
time.
>
>Are you always this easily lied to?
No, we see right through you every time.
> If so... hey. I have some great
>vacation land in Florida for sale. Let me tell you about it.
>
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
Science causes disease.
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited
some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of
rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me
laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle
East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah
and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
The [Dropa] stone is real, the troglodytes exist, the graves are
there, many books have been written on the subject...
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to?
Certainly I don't.
--
Bob.
Ernest Major
<a0c1812b-9fee-48b5...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, el
cid <elcid...@gmail.com> writes
It is a common exegesis here that the commandment against theft entails
refraining from plagiarism. (This issue leads us into questions of
Biblical epistemology, but I have not been convinced that this is not an
incorrect projection of modern attitudes onto Bronze age cultures.) One
could also argue that the commandment against bearing false witness
covers plagiarism
--
alias Ernest Major
el cid
> In message
> <a0c1812b-9fee-48b5-ac9f-91f23bf75...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,elcid<elcidbi...@gmail.com> writes
Somehow a commandment that effectively said "thou shall not
flatter" would play for better dramatic effect. It would
further make plagiarism a sincere sin in this case. It would
further provide justification for incarceration of brown
nosers and ass kissers (differential depth perception).