Francis Collins?s Troubling Record at NIH

[Kalkidas]

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[RonO]

What is so good about the second rate junk that is supposed to be so boring?

Isn't it weird that the ID perps who have been running a bait and switch
scam on creationist rubes for 20 years can claim moral failures about
other Christian creationists?

Ron Okimoto

[jillery]

The singular, most crucial question the cited article raises, the
issue which may determine the future of all human civilization:

How would God pluralize "Collins"?

<https://www.thesaurus.com/e/grammar/whats-the-rule-for-doing-a-possessive-after-the-word-s/>

<https://tinyurl.com/4ewrw4x8>

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You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

[Öö Tiib]

On Tuesday, 26 October 2021 at 00:45:15 UTC+3, Ron O wrote:
> On 10/25/2021 8:52 AM, Kalkidas wrote:
> >
> > -- https://evolutionnews.org/2021/10/the-appalling-moral-failure-o
> > f-francis-collins/?fbclid=IwAR21rFNiQjsMVVfSQpFLlshzAAAEz0i6r-yJdO
> > chXktj0J6Ei3C-gbLpM8o
> >
> >
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> What is so good about the second rate junk that is supposed to be so boring?

The title of article is "Francis Collins’s Troubling Record at NIH"
but the link to it is /the-appalling-moral-failure-of-francis-collins/

> Isn't it weird that the ID perps who have been running a bait and switch
> scam on creationist rubes for 20 years can claim moral failures about
> other Christian creationists?

They do not interpret it like that. They believe that they do the right thing
and that somehow Jesus helps them to show to world that God takes
care about every detail..

It is understandable. People want to feel like something special, like
favorite flowers in garden of their deity for what there are some
extraordinary plans. Did some deity promise them to take care about
the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that
crawls upon the earth? No. Someone else was supposed to. Someone
who will suffer together with rest of the living nature that they
irresponsibly destroyed.

[Kalkidas]

On 10/25/2021 6:13 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Tuesday, 26 October 2021 at 00:45:15 UTC+3, Ron O wrote:
>> On 10/25/2021 8:52 AM, Kalkidas wrote:
>>>
>>> -- https://evolutionnews.org/2021/10/the-appalling-moral-failure-o
>>> f-francis-collins/?fbclid=IwAR21rFNiQjsMVVfSQpFLlshzAAAEz0i6r-yJdO
>>> chXktj0J6Ei3C-gbLpM8o
>>>
>>>
>>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
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>>>
>> What is so good about the second rate junk that is supposed to be so boring?
>
> The title of article is "Francis Collins’s Troubling Record at NIH"
> but the link to it is /the-appalling-moral-failure-of-francis-collins/
>
>> Isn't it weird that the ID perps who have been running a bait and switch
>> scam on creationist rubes for 20 years can claim moral failures about
>> other Christian creationists?

Ron's not aware that Collins is not a creationist.

>
> They do not interpret it like that. They believe that they do the right thing
> and that somehow Jesus helps them to show to world that God takes
> care about every detail..
>
> It is understandable. People want to feel like something special, like
> favorite flowers in garden of their deity for what there are some
> extraordinary plans. Did some deity promise them to take care about
> the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that
> crawls upon the earth? No. Someone else was supposed to. Someone
> who will suffer together with rest of the living nature that they
> irresponsibly destroyed.

If people want to feel "special", why would they worship God? God will
always be better and more "special" than them.

The truth is, people worship God because they realize they're not
"special" and they need help from someone who is.

Francis Collins may have forgotten this when he placed his trust in
scientism, thus providing a real-life example of the statement of Jesus
Christ that "you cannot serve two masters".

[RonO]

On 10/26/2021 7:24 AM, Kalkidas wrote:
> On 10/25/2021 6:13 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 26 October 2021 at 00:45:15 UTC+3, Ron O wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2021 8:52 AM, Kalkidas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -- https://evolutionnews.org/2021/10/the-appalling-moral-failure-o
>>>> f-francis-collins/?fbclid=IwAR21rFNiQjsMVVfSQpFLlshzAAAEz0i6r-yJdO
>>>> chXktj0J6Ei3C-gbLpM8o
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
>>>> https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html
>>>>
>>> What is so good about the second rate junk that is supposed to be so
>>> boring?
>>
>> The title of article is "Francis Collins’s Troubling Record at NIH"
>> but the link to it is /the-appalling-moral-failure-of-francis-collins/
>>> Isn't it weird that the ID perps who have been running a bait and switch
>>> scam on creationist rubes for 20 years can claim moral failures about
>>> other Christian creationists?
>
> Ron's not aware that Collins is not a creationist.

Are you a Glenn Clone? Collins is an evangelical Christian creationist.
He believes in the Christian creator God, but thinks that the part of
the creation that involves life on earth involved biological evolution
as a fact of nature.

>
>>
>> They do not interpret it like that. They believe that they do the
>> right thing
>> and that somehow Jesus helps them to show to world that God takes
>> care about every detail..
>>
>> It is understandable. People want to feel like something special, like
>> favorite flowers in garden of their deity for what there are some
>> extraordinary plans. Did some deity promise them to take care about
>> the  fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that
>> crawls upon the earth? No. Someone else was supposed to. Someone
>> who will suffer together with rest of the living nature that they
>> irresponsibly destroyed.
>
> If people want to feel "special", why would they worship God? God will
> always be better and more "special" than them.
>
> The truth is, people worship God because they realize they're not
> "special" and they need help from someone who is.

Isn't this an even sadder interpretation of creationist religious belief?

How pathetic do you think creationists are?

>
> Francis Collins may have forgotten this when he placed his trust in
> scientism, thus providing a real-life example of the statement of Jesus
> Christ that "you cannot serve two masters".
>

Kalk, you are supposed to be Hindu/Sikh type creationist. How do you
know what Collins does in terms of his religious beliefs? What does
understanding the fact of biological evolution have to do with
worshiping Jesus Christ? Does understanding atomic theory interfere
with Christian worship? What about the theory of gravity and sun
centered solar system? There are still some geocentric creationists
around that claim everyone else is wrong, but who cares about them?

You obviously do not understand what is important in other people's
religious beliefs, and likely not your own either.

Ron Okimoto

[Öö Tiib]

That is absurdly beyond compare. Other mundane people around them
are also hopelessly better and more special than them.

> The truth is, people worship God because they realize they're not
> "special" and they need help from someone who is.

It is same what I say. There is a God who is creator of whole universe
who promised to love them, to take care about them and proved it by
dying to save their sins? Only thing it takes is to believe the story,
think good thoughts about Him, perhaps baptize and some other
such things and *bang* problem solved. They are special! Indeed
handy.

> Francis Collins may have forgotten this when he placed his trust in
> scientism, thus providing a real-life example of the statement of Jesus
> Christ that "you cannot serve two masters".

Even the author of cited rubbish disclaims that "I am not questioning
the sincerity of his faith. I am not denying that he is a distinguished
scientist. I am not claiming he is out for personal financial gain."

Francis Collins is one of few Christians who understands that they
are not meant to idly throw shit at others, let everything irresponsibly
to fall apart and go down the drain and then God will come and carry
them to paradise. They are worried what kind of world they leave to
their kids. So indeed the pipsqueaks of Discotute are envious.

[Kalkidas]

I am neither.

> How do you
> know what Collins does in terms of his religious beliefs?

How do *you* know that?

> What does
> understanding the fact of biological evolution have to do with
> worshiping Jesus Christ?

There is no "fact" of biological evolution. And Jesus Christ explicitly
said so when he said "...from the beginning of the creation God made
them male and female...."

Does understanding atomic theory interfere
> with Christian worship?  What about the theory of gravity and sun
> centered solar system?  There are still some geocentric creationists
> around that claim everyone else is wrong, but who cares about them?

You might answer those questions yourself if you gave any serious
thought to the current state of the world.

>
> You obviously do not understand what is important in other people's
> religious beliefs, and likely not your own either.

I've learned to laugh uproariously at the phrase "you obviously do not
understand..."

[Kalkidas]

This is incoherent. Apparently you just hate someone or something. Good
luck overcoming that.

[jillery]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:07:46 -0700, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:

>There is no "fact" of biological evolution. And Jesus Christ explicitly
>said so when he said "...from the beginning of the creation God made
>them male and female...."

So you deny God the power to create male and female using biological
evolution. I had no idea you thought of yourself as God's boss.

[Glenn]

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 3:30:15 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:07:46 -0700, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
>
> >There is no "fact" of biological evolution. And Jesus Christ explicitly
> >said so when he said "...from the beginning of the creation God made
> >them male and female...."
> So you deny God the power to create male and female using biological
> evolution. I had no idea you thought of yourself as God's boss.
> --

There is a lot of that going around, *jillery*.

[RonO]

You've been a good pretender for years.

>
>> How do you know what Collins does in terms of his religious beliefs?
>
> How do *you* know that?

How do you know? You've shown no inkling that you would understand it in
all your years on TO.

>
>> What does understanding the fact of biological evolution have to do
>> with worshiping Jesus Christ?
>
> There is no "fact" of biological evolution. And Jesus Christ explicitly
> said so when he said "...from the beginning of the creation God made
> them male and female...."

Unfortunately for creationists in denial like yourself, you are just
wrong about evolution and ID perps like Behe and Denton have already
told you that.

Are you claiming to be Christian, now? What do you think that means in
terms of biological evolution? When do we find the first evidence that
there were males and females in the fossil record? The Reason to
Believe Old Earth Creationists think that recurrent creation is still
going on. Their designer seems to be creating lifeforms to look as if
they are due to descent with modification even down to the level where
the newly created entities can still interbreed with their close
relatives. What kind of design is that?

>
> Does understanding atomic theory interfere
>> with Christian worship?  What about the theory of gravity and sun
>> centered solar system?  There are still some geocentric creationists
>> around that claim everyone else is wrong, but who cares about them?
>
> You might answer those questions yourself if you gave any serious
> thought to the current state of the world.

So you know that it doesn't matter, so why even try to make believe that
it does?

>
>>
>> You obviously do not understand what is important in other people's
>> religious beliefs, and likely not your own either.
>
> I've learned to laugh uproariously at the phrase "you obviously do not
> understand..."
>

Because it is all that you can do when you obviously don't understand
something.

Are you really claiming that you have been a Christian creationist all
the time that you have been putting up the Hindu/Sikh junk?

Has your posts always been some dishonest ploy to make believe that you
are coming from the issue from a different angle, when it has always
been the ID perp creationist angle all along?

Ron Okimoto

[jillery]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:40:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:

Cite. Oh wait... you don't know how... nevermind.

[Öö Tiib]

What sentence you did not understand? I hate no one. I am just sad
about people. It is indeed their right to not care, to deny what is obvious,
and to hope that some kind of deities desire to control what is happening
here. Maybe our nature restores itself to extent, maybe whatever roaches
that survived gain consciousness hundred millions years later. Maybe
they learn from stupidity of ours.

[Kalkidas]

I have never pretended nor claimed to be a "Hindu" or a "Sikh". I
challenge you to produce a post in which I did. If you cannot do so, I
suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

Until then. Ta ta.