> That's right.
> And perhaps nobody in the mathematics and engineering sciences took the TOE seriously after
> that conference.
> LOL!
>
> , because effectively the whole meeting was an exercise in straw man demolition.
>
> Anxious to look at it firsthand. Should be a lively debate.
>
> As far as any comments by David Berkinski, his area of expertise has nothing to do with the physical sciences. His comments are those of a layman.
>
> Oh, and by the way, mathematics is foundational to all serious physical sciences.
>
> > Creationists love to tout this historical chestnut, because, in their ignorance, they think there is something magical about mathematicians, when, in fact, in the absence of a mathematical theory, mathematicians have little to go on.
>
> Yes.
> I can image that would be about the time that they declared Neo-Darwinism an 'unserious' science.
>
> Hence the HOOTING!
>
> A case in point is the combinatorial analysis presented by Murray Eden. What a joke! No chemical process operated by a purely random addembly! The mathematicians at Wistar 1966 made complete fools of themselves!
> >
> > -John
The word "mathematics" is not magic, Eddy. Reality is enough complex for a
mathematicians to concoct a wrong analysis about anything whatever. Then, if
you were a doubter about human intelligence, it would include, mathematics
as well, when the question in dispute were not trivial.
There are enough instances in the history of science that prove that something
that was reputed 50 or 100 years as sound was later deemed wrong. Only this
would be enough to comfort your creationist feelings. Instead in focusing
so much on the challenges science present to your creationism, try to put
the same effort to challenge your own believes in a god creator. Why are you
putting so much confidence in the existence of your creator? Because the
ancient Athenians believe in a mighty god called Zeus, that was the one that
gathered the clouds and made it rain, and created the storms, and the
lightnings? This god eventually was slain when a Roman emperor decided to
kill no only Zeus but all the other Olympian gods as well; even the Roman
gods of Rome and Egypt. Then, Zeus or Jupiter, was killed by the decision
of a simply Roman emperor. The servers of the ancient gods and goddesses,
were all killed by the desire of simple human being, it was only an emperor
that killed the ancient gods.
But several centuries later, not many, other human being, Mohammad, killed
also the servers of the new god Joshua-the Messiah, called Isa by the
Arab conquerors, created a new brand of religion called Islam. And about 95%
of the former followers of Isa-the Messiah changed of jacket or rather
they changed of djellaba and become Muslims.
Does this political warrior events do not suggest to your intelligence
(for surely you must have an intelligence) that all those gods were simply
human inventions? For if the gods were real not any emperor or Arab conqueror
would be able to erase their existence with a few wars?
I was consulting the wikipedia just to have an idea on how long took to the Emperor Constantin to erase from the minds of 90% of people living in cities
the believe they had in the ancient deposed or slain gods?
How this would had happened if the faith in the gods were a serious believe
and not an simple human obeisance to human authorities that had the power
to torture or punish them, just in case? Why it was so easy to change their
believes in the ancient gods?
Not long ago, in some other place, commenting on this change brought about
by emperor Constantin, a Christian priest commented that people hustled to
embrace the new religion of Joshua, "because Christianity has some message,
some promise that humans beings were expecting. Christian faith was
accepted so fast because its doctrinal content." "Well," I reply to him,
"It brings me now the image of the Arabian conquerors in former Christian
lands and cities in north Africa and Near East for... some 200 years and the new religion must had some special message, and the Christian people embraced
the new religion in a couple of generations."
He do not replied back to my argument.
Why most of the Jews do not changed their religion and adopted Christianity
as the new faith in god? For they were a minority and it was spared and
were not pressured into changing to the new faith. The new religions were
pressuring the majorities not the statistical outliers.
How many gods were killed by the expansion of Christianity in Europe, north
Africa and the middle East? How many gods killed the expansion of Islam?
Then, why you are believing in a god imposed on the people by emperors and
conquerors? Most of the native Americans in Central and South America, were converted to Christianity. Does this not suggest to you that the a believe
in a "new god" is the simple result of some authoritarian imposition?
It is not a rational decision, it is simple to bow your head below the power
of a conqueror, or some new emperor.
eri