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Metspitzer
Jul 17, 2012, 7:24:51 PM7/17/12
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The world's first geneticallymodified humans have been created, it was
revealed last night.
The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of
experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about
ethics.
So far, two of the babies have been tested and have been found to
contain genes from three 'parents'.
Fifteen of the children were born in the past three years as a result
of one experimental programme at the Institute for Reproductive
Medicine and Science of St Barnabas in New Jersey.
The babies were born to women who had problems conceiving. Extra genes
from a female donor were inserted into their eggs before they were
fertilised in an attempt to enable them to conceive.
Genetic fingerprint tests on two one-year- old children confirm that
they have inherited DNA from three adults --two women and one man.
The fact that the children have inherited the extra genes and
incorporated them into their 'germline' means that they will, in turn,
be able to pass them on to their own offspring.
Altering the human germline - in effect tinkering with the very
make-up of our species - is a technique shunned by the vast majority
of the world's scientists.
Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
or high intelligence.
Writing in the journal Human Reproduction, the researchers, led by
fertility pioneer Professor Jacques Cohen, say that this 'is the first
case of human germline genetic modification resulting in normal
healthy children'.
Some experts severely criticised the experiments. Lord Winston, of the
Hammersmith Hospital in West London, told the BBC yesterday:
'Regarding the treat-ment of the infertile, there is no evidence that
this technique is worth doing . . . I am very surprised that it was
even carried out at this stage. It would certainly not be allowed in
Britain.'
John Smeaton, national director of the Society for the Protection of
Unborn Children, said: 'One has tremendous sympathy for couples who
suffer infertility problems. But this seems to be a further
illustration of the fact that the whole process of in vitro
fertilisation as a means of conceiving babies leads to babies being
regarded as objects on a production line.
'It is a further and very worrying step down the wrong road for
humanity.' Professor Cohen and his colleagues diagnosed that the women
were infertile because they had defects in tiny structures in their
egg cells, called mitochondria.
They took eggs from donors and, using a fine needle, sucked some of
the internal material - containing 'healthy' mitochondria - and
injected it into eggs from the women wanting to conceive.
Because mitochondria contain genes, the babies resulting from the
treatment have inherited DNA from both women. These genes can now be
passed down the germline along the maternal line.
A spokesman for the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority
(HFEA), which regulates 'assisted reproduction' technology in Britain,
said that it would not license the technique here because it involved
altering the germline.
Jacques Cohen is regarded as a brilliant but controversial scientist
who has pushed the boundaries of assisted reproduction technologies.
He developed a technique which allows infertile men to have their own
children, by injecting sperm DNA straight into the egg in the lab.
Prior to this, only infertile women were able to conceive using IVF.
Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
scientific community.
'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he said,
adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
revealed last night.
The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of
experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about
ethics.
So far, two of the babies have been tested and have been found to
contain genes from three 'parents'.
Fifteen of the children were born in the past three years as a result
of one experimental programme at the Institute for Reproductive
Medicine and Science of St Barnabas in New Jersey.
The babies were born to women who had problems conceiving. Extra genes
from a female donor were inserted into their eggs before they were
fertilised in an attempt to enable them to conceive.
Genetic fingerprint tests on two one-year- old children confirm that
they have inherited DNA from three adults --two women and one man.
The fact that the children have inherited the extra genes and
incorporated them into their 'germline' means that they will, in turn,
be able to pass them on to their own offspring.
Altering the human germline - in effect tinkering with the very
make-up of our species - is a technique shunned by the vast majority
of the world's scientists.
Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
or high intelligence.
Writing in the journal Human Reproduction, the researchers, led by
fertility pioneer Professor Jacques Cohen, say that this 'is the first
case of human germline genetic modification resulting in normal
healthy children'.
Some experts severely criticised the experiments. Lord Winston, of the
Hammersmith Hospital in West London, told the BBC yesterday:
'Regarding the treat-ment of the infertile, there is no evidence that
this technique is worth doing . . . I am very surprised that it was
even carried out at this stage. It would certainly not be allowed in
Britain.'
John Smeaton, national director of the Society for the Protection of
Unborn Children, said: 'One has tremendous sympathy for couples who
suffer infertility problems. But this seems to be a further
illustration of the fact that the whole process of in vitro
fertilisation as a means of conceiving babies leads to babies being
regarded as objects on a production line.
'It is a further and very worrying step down the wrong road for
humanity.' Professor Cohen and his colleagues diagnosed that the women
were infertile because they had defects in tiny structures in their
egg cells, called mitochondria.
They took eggs from donors and, using a fine needle, sucked some of
the internal material - containing 'healthy' mitochondria - and
injected it into eggs from the women wanting to conceive.
Because mitochondria contain genes, the babies resulting from the
treatment have inherited DNA from both women. These genes can now be
passed down the germline along the maternal line.
A spokesman for the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority
(HFEA), which regulates 'assisted reproduction' technology in Britain,
said that it would not license the technique here because it involved
altering the germline.
Jacques Cohen is regarded as a brilliant but controversial scientist
who has pushed the boundaries of assisted reproduction technologies.
He developed a technique which allows infertile men to have their own
children, by injecting sperm DNA straight into the egg in the lab.
Prior to this, only infertile women were able to conceive using IVF.
Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
scientific community.
'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he said,
adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 17, 2012, 9:10:53 PM7/17/12
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On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24:51 AM UTC+1, Metspitzer wrote:
> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> scientific community.
>
> 'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he said,
> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> scientific community.
>
> adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
> wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
>
> Read more:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
OMIGOD LOOK AT THEM!
>
> Read more:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8220553.stm>
Funny, the story mentions the BBC but isn't mentioned /by/ the BBC
News web site, unless it's very old (there is no date) or a hoax.
The latest mention of mitochondria disease from the BBC is in June
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18393682>
"The UK's Nuffield Council on Bioethics said the technique could free
children from 'very severe and debilitating disorders'."
The Mail journalist seems to be wildly confused about "the germline".
Mitochondrial DNA and nuclear DNA are separate.
UC
Jul 17, 2012, 9:29:06 PM7/17/12
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Jul 17, 2012, 9:42:59 PM7/17/12
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Mitochondria in human offspring derived from ooplasmic
transplantation: Brief communication
Jason A. Barritt, Carol A. Brenner, Henry E. Malter and
Jacques Cohen
Human Reproduction 1(3) 513-516 (2001)
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/3/513.short
The abstract is where the "germiline" bit comes from. It says: "This
report is the first case of human germline genetic modification
resulting in normal healthy children."
It also says: "Ooplasmic transfer from fertile donor oocytes into
potentially compromised recipient patient oocytes has led to the birth
of nearly 30 babies worldwide. Cytoplasmic transplantation has caused
apprehension, since the mixing of human ooplasm from two different
maternal sources may generate mitochondrial (mt) heteroplasmy (both
recipient and donor mtDNA) in offspring. ... Heteroplasmy was found in
the blood from each of the children."
jillery
Jul 17, 2012, 11:46:57 PM7/17/12
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:29:06 -0700 (PDT), UC
<uraniumc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>who wants to be better an make each other a better person.
Why are you spamming topics that you haven't even posted to? Do you
really hate T.O. that much?
<uraniumc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>who wants to be better an make each other a better person.
really hate T.O. that much?
Glenn
Jul 17, 2012, 11:59:56 PM7/17/12
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"Richard Norman" <rsno...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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that two out of 17 fetuses had an abnormal 45, XO karyotype. The authors assume
the hypothesis of a link between chromosomal anomalies and oocytes manipulation,
and reveal that one of the babies has been diagnosed at 18 months with Pervasive
Developmental Disorder, a spectrum of autism-related diagnoses."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/17/first-genetically-modified-babies-born.aspx?e_cid=20120717_DNL_artNew_1
I assume that 45 XO karyotype refers to Turner syndrome. Some of the pictures of
those that have the syndrome remind me of what the mermaids looked like that
were found by NOAA scientists. If these children can reproduce, could they
possibly create such unusual body types and novel functions such as mermaids,
and stable, advantageous inheritable traits?
Dana Tweedy
Jul 18, 2012, 12:06:16 AM7/18/12
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On 7/17/12 7:10 PM, Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc
http://pics.livejournal.com/dr_hermes/pic/003efse0
DJT
talk-o...@moderators.isc.org wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24:51 AM UTC+1, Metspitzer wrote:
>> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
>> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
>> scientific community.
>>
>> 'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he said,
>> adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
>> wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
>>
>> Read more:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
>
> OMIGOD LOOK AT THEM!
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8220553.stm>
>
I thought they would look like this:
> On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24:51 AM UTC+1, Metspitzer wrote:
>> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
>> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
>> scientific community.
>>
>> 'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he said,
>> adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
>> wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
>>
>> Read more:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
>
> OMIGOD LOOK AT THEM!
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8220553.stm>
>
http://pics.livejournal.com/dr_hermes/pic/003efse0
DJT
Glenn
Jul 18, 2012, 12:19:41 AM7/18/12
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<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote in message
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news:9228d838-1fa9-47c5...@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24:51 AM UTC+1, Metspitzer wrote:
> > Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> > clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> > scientific community.
> >
> > 'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he
said,
> > adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
> > wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
> >
> > Read more:
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
>
> OMIGOD LOOK AT THEM!
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8220553.stm>
>
"Here are your sons, honey. What should we name them?"
> > Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> > clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> > scientific community.
> >
> > 'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he
said,
> > adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
> > wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
> >
> > Read more:
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
>
> OMIGOD LOOK AT THEM!
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8220553.stm>
>
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 18, 2012, 3:30:46 AM7/18/12
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On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:42:59 AM UTC+1, Richard Norman wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc
> talk-o...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24:51 AM UTC+1, Metspitzer wrote:
> >> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> >> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> >> scientific community.
> >>
> >> 'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he said,
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc
> talk-o...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24:51 AM UTC+1, Metspitzer wrote:
> >> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> >> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> >> scientific community.
> >>
> >> adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
were "nearly 30 babies worldwide" born by 2000 by this technique,
turning 12 this year if surviving? Or is that about a different
technique for the same trick?
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 18, 2012, 3:25:40 AM7/18/12
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which I propose no one investigates further. Why is it here?
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 18, 2012, 3:53:34 AM7/18/12
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<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1312708.stm>
is a BBC page from 2001.
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:42:59 AM UTC+1, Richard Norman wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc
> talk-o...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24:51 AM UTC+1, Metspitzer wrote:
> >> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> >> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> >> scientific community.
> >>
> >> &#39;It would be an afternoon&#39;s work for one of my students,&#39; he said,
> >> adding that he had been approached by &#39;at least three&#39; individuals
> >> wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
> >>
> >> Read more:
> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
> >
> >OMIGOD LOOK AT THEM!
> >
> ><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8220553.stm>
> >
> >Funny, the story mentions the BBC but isn't mentioned /by/ the BBC
> >News web site, unless it's very old (there is no date) or a hoax.
> >The latest mention of mitochondria disease from the BBC is in June
> ><http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18393682>
> >"The UK's Nuffield Council on Bioethics said the technique could free
> >children from 'very severe and debilitating disorders'."
> >
> >The Mail journalist seems to be wildly confused about "the germline".
> >Mitochondrial DNA and nuclear DNA are separate.
>
> It also says: "Ooplasmic transfer from fertile donor oocytes into
Looking more closely at the BBC 2009 monkey story seems to answer my question:
"US researchers have previously tried and failed to correct this
defect by adding healthy donated mitochondria into the eggs of
patients wishing to have children.
"But these attempts resulted in birth defects - probably because
mitochondria are so delicate that they are damaged when they are
transplanted from one egg to another.
"As a result, the treatment was banned by the US until it could be
demonstrated that it was safe in animal experiments."
The new technique seems to be to move nuclear DNA into a donor cell
instead of moving mitochondria and mitochondrial DNA.
It occurs to me that the other way, there were bad mitochondria
still in the cell, as well as the introduced good ones.
I still wonder why this wasn't, for instance, on Jacques Cohen's
Wikipedia page, as far as I saw. Censorship?
And is this reading correct?
is a BBC page from 2001.
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:42:59 AM UTC+1, Richard Norman wrote:
> talk-o...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24:51 AM UTC+1, Metspitzer wrote:
> >> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> >> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> >> scientific community.
> >>
> >> &#39;It would be an afternoon&#39;s work for one of my students,&#39; he said,
> >> adding that he had been approached by &#39;at least three&#39; individuals
> >> wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
> >>
> >> Read more:
> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
> >
> >OMIGOD LOOK AT THEM!
> >
> ><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8220553.stm>
> >
> >Funny, the story mentions the BBC but isn't mentioned /by/ the BBC
> >News web site, unless it's very old (there is no date) or a hoax.
> >The latest mention of mitochondria disease from the BBC is in June
> ><http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18393682>
> >"The UK's Nuffield Council on Bioethics said the technique could free
> >children from 'very severe and debilitating disorders'."
> >
> >The Mail journalist seems to be wildly confused about "the germline".
> >Mitochondrial DNA and nuclear DNA are separate.
>
> THe work is now 11 years old. See
> Mitochondria in human offspring derived from ooplasmic
> transplantation: Brief communication
> Jason A. Barritt, Carol A. Brenner, Henry E. Malter and
> Jacques Cohen
> Human Reproduction 1(3) 513-516 (2001)
> http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/3/513.short
>
> The abstract is where the "germiline" bit comes from. It says: "This
> THe work is now 11 years old. See
> Mitochondria in human offspring derived from ooplasmic
> transplantation: Brief communication
> Jason A. Barritt, Carol A. Brenner, Henry E. Malter and
> Jacques Cohen
> Human Reproduction 1(3) 513-516 (2001)
> http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/3/513.short
>
> report is the first case of human germline genetic modification
> resulting in normal healthy children."
>
> It also says: "Ooplasmic transfer from fertile donor oocytes into
> potentially compromised recipient patient oocytes has led to the birth
> of nearly 30 babies worldwide. Cytoplasmic transplantation has caused
> apprehension, since the mixing of human ooplasm from two different
> maternal sources may generate mitochondrial (mt) heteroplasmy (both
> recipient and donor mtDNA) in offspring. ... Heteroplasmy was found in
> the blood from each of the children."
> of nearly 30 babies worldwide. Cytoplasmic transplantation has caused
> apprehension, since the mixing of human ooplasm from two different
> maternal sources may generate mitochondrial (mt) heteroplasmy (both
> recipient and donor mtDNA) in offspring. ... Heteroplasmy was found in
Looking more closely at the BBC 2009 monkey story seems to answer my question:
"US researchers have previously tried and failed to correct this
defect by adding healthy donated mitochondria into the eggs of
patients wishing to have children.
"But these attempts resulted in birth defects - probably because
mitochondria are so delicate that they are damaged when they are
transplanted from one egg to another.
"As a result, the treatment was banned by the US until it could be
demonstrated that it was safe in animal experiments."
The new technique seems to be to move nuclear DNA into a donor cell
instead of moving mitochondria and mitochondrial DNA.
It occurs to me that the other way, there were bad mitochondria
still in the cell, as well as the introduced good ones.
I still wonder why this wasn't, for instance, on Jacques Cohen's
Wikipedia page, as far as I saw. Censorship?
And is this reading correct?
Desertphile
Jul 24, 2012, 12:41:38 AM7/24/12
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:24:51 -0400, Metspitzer
<Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
*CUTS* Please see original
> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
> or high intelligence.
"Fear?" Isn't this a *GOOD* thing?
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
Oh. "The Daily Mail." So it's a lie.
--
"[Denialists] will immediately reject the facts when they glance at them." -- Desertphile
"We will always reject your facts." -- Tunderbar
<Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
*CUTS* Please see original
> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
> or high intelligence.
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
Oh. "The Daily Mail." So it's a lie.
--
"[Denialists] will immediately reject the facts when they glance at them." -- Desertphile
"We will always reject your facts." -- Tunderbar
Bob Casanova
Jul 24, 2012, 1:43:12 PM7/24/12
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:41:38 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile
<Deser...@spammegmail.com>:
>On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:24:51 -0400, Metspitzer
><Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
>
>*CUTS* Please see original
>
>
>> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
>> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
>> or high intelligence.
>"Fear?" Isn't this a *GOOD* thing?
Could be. Could be otherwise; it would depend on the traits
selected and the motives of the selectors. The concept has
been pretty thoroughly explored in fiction.
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
>
>Oh. "The Daily Mail." So it's a lie.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile
<Deser...@spammegmail.com>:
>On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:24:51 -0400, Metspitzer
><Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
>
>*CUTS* Please see original
>
>
>> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
>> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
>> or high intelligence.
>"Fear?" Isn't this a *GOOD* thing?
selected and the motives of the selectors. The concept has
been pretty thoroughly explored in fiction.
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
>
>Oh. "The Daily Mail." So it's a lie.
--
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Glenn
Jul 24, 2012, 1:51:06 PM7/24/12
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"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:41:38 -0600, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile
> <Deser...@spammegmail.com>:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:24:51 -0400, Metspitzer
> ><Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
> >
> >*CUTS* Please see original
> >
> >
> >> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
> >> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
> >> or high intelligence.
>
> >"Fear?" Isn't this a *GOOD* thing?
>
> Could be. Could be otherwise; it would depend on the traits
> selected and the motives of the selectors. The concept has
> been pretty thoroughly explored in fiction.
Yes, as we all know there is no reason to fear the dark since there is no
> in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile
> <Deser...@spammegmail.com>:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:24:51 -0400, Metspitzer
> ><Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
> >
> >*CUTS* Please see original
> >
> >
> >> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
> >> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
> >> or high intelligence.
>
> >"Fear?" Isn't this a *GOOD* thing?
>
> Could be. Could be otherwise; it would depend on the traits
> selected and the motives of the selectors. The concept has
> been pretty thoroughly explored in fiction.
buggerman out there.
John Stockwell
Jul 24, 2012, 3:19:49 PM7/24/12
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On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:24:51 PM UTC-6, Metspitzer wrote:
> The world's first geneticallymodified humans have been created, it was
> humanity.' Professor Cohen and his colleagues diagnosed that the women
> adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
New Guinea who were calling for a ban on the importation of these GM food
products.
> The world's first geneticallymodified humans have been created, it was
> revealed last night.
>
> The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of
> experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about
> ethics.
>
> So far, two of the babies have been tested and have been found to
> contain genes from three 'parents'.
>
> The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of
> experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about
> ethics.
>
> So far, two of the babies have been tested and have been found to
>
> Fifteen of the children were born in the past three years as a result
> of one experimental programme at the Institute for Reproductive
> Medicine and Science of St Barnabas in New Jersey.
>
> The babies were born to women who had problems conceiving. Extra genes
> from a female donor were inserted into their eggs before they were
> fertilised in an attempt to enable them to conceive.
>
> Genetic fingerprint tests on two one-year- old children confirm that
> they have inherited DNA from three adults --two women and one man.
>
> The fact that the children have inherited the extra genes and
> incorporated them into their 'germline' means that they will, in turn,
> Fifteen of the children were born in the past three years as a result
> of one experimental programme at the Institute for Reproductive
> Medicine and Science of St Barnabas in New Jersey.
>
> The babies were born to women who had problems conceiving. Extra genes
> from a female donor were inserted into their eggs before they were
> fertilised in an attempt to enable them to conceive.
>
> Genetic fingerprint tests on two one-year- old children confirm that
> they have inherited DNA from three adults --two women and one man.
>
> The fact that the children have inherited the extra genes and
> be able to pass them on to their own offspring.
>
> Altering the human germline - in effect tinkering with the very
> make-up of our species - is a technique shunned by the vast majority
> of the world's scientists.
>
> Altering the human germline - in effect tinkering with the very
> make-up of our species - is a technique shunned by the vast majority
>
> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
> or high intelligence.
>
> Writing in the journal Human Reproduction, the researchers, led by
> fertility pioneer Professor Jacques Cohen, say that this 'is the first
> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
> or high intelligence.
>
> Writing in the journal Human Reproduction, the researchers, led by
> case of human germline genetic modification resulting in normal
> healthy children'.
>
> Some experts severely criticised the experiments. Lord Winston, of the
> Hammersmith Hospital in West London, told the BBC yesterday:
> 'Regarding the treat-ment of the infertile, there is no evidence that
> Some experts severely criticised the experiments. Lord Winston, of the
> Hammersmith Hospital in West London, told the BBC yesterday:
> this technique is worth doing . . . I am very surprised that it was
> even carried out at this stage. It would certainly not be allowed in
> Britain.'
> even carried out at this stage. It would certainly not be allowed in
>
> John Smeaton, national director of the Society for the Protection of
> Unborn Children, said: 'One has tremendous sympathy for couples who
> John Smeaton, national director of the Society for the Protection of
> suffer infertility problems. But this seems to be a further
> illustration of the fact that the whole process of in vitro
> fertilisation as a means of conceiving babies leads to babies being
> regarded as objects on a production line.
>
> 'It is a further and very worrying step down the wrong road for
> illustration of the fact that the whole process of in vitro
> fertilisation as a means of conceiving babies leads to babies being
> regarded as objects on a production line.
>
> humanity.' Professor Cohen and his colleagues diagnosed that the women
> were infertile because they had defects in tiny structures in their
> egg cells, called mitochondria.
>
> They took eggs from donors and, using a fine needle, sucked some of
> the internal material - containing 'healthy' mitochondria - and
> egg cells, called mitochondria.
>
> They took eggs from donors and, using a fine needle, sucked some of
> injected it into eggs from the women wanting to conceive.
>
> Because mitochondria contain genes, the babies resulting from the
> treatment have inherited DNA from both women. These genes can now be
> passed down the germline along the maternal line.
>
> A spokesman for the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority
> (HFEA), which regulates 'assisted reproduction' technology in Britain,
>
> Because mitochondria contain genes, the babies resulting from the
> treatment have inherited DNA from both women. These genes can now be
> passed down the germline along the maternal line.
>
> A spokesman for the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority
> said that it would not license the technique here because it involved
> altering the germline.
>
> Jacques Cohen is regarded as a brilliant but controversial scientist
> who has pushed the boundaries of assisted reproduction technologies.
>
> He developed a technique which allows infertile men to have their own
> children, by injecting sperm DNA straight into the egg in the lab.
>
> Prior to this, only infertile women were able to conceive using IVF.
> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> scientific community.
>
> 'It would be an afternoon's work for one of my students,' he said,
> altering the germline.
>
> Jacques Cohen is regarded as a brilliant but controversial scientist
> who has pushed the boundaries of assisted reproduction technologies.
>
> He developed a technique which allows infertile men to have their own
> children, by injecting sperm DNA straight into the egg in the lab.
>
> Prior to this, only infertile women were able to conceive using IVF.
> Last year, Professor Cohen said that his expertise would allow him to
> clone children --a prospect treated with horror by the mainstream
> scientific community.
>
> adding that he had been approached by 'at least three' individuals
> wishing to create a cloned child, but had turned down their requests
>
> Read more:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
There was a particularly vociferous protest from the cannibals of Papua
>
> Read more:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
New Guinea who were calling for a ban on the importation of these GM food
products.
Bob Casanova
Jul 25, 2012, 2:05:12 PM7/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:51:06 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by "Glenn"
<glenns...@invalid.invalid>:
>
>"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
>news:lhnt08hkblnbac4uq...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:41:38 -0600, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile
>> <Deser...@spammegmail.com>:
>>
>> >On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:24:51 -0400, Metspitzer
>> ><Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >*CUTS* Please see original
>> >
>> >
>> >> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
>> >> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
>> >> or high intelligence.
>>
>> >"Fear?" Isn't this a *GOOD* thing?
>>
>> Could be. Could be otherwise; it would depend on the traits
>> selected and the motives of the selectors. The concept has
>> been pretty thoroughly explored in fiction.
>
>Yes, as we all know there is no reason to fear the dark since there is no
>buggerman out there.
Exactly how does that address any of these posts?
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
>> >
>> >Oh. "The Daily Mail." So it's a lie.
in talk.origins, posted by "Glenn"
<glenns...@invalid.invalid>:
>
>"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
>news:lhnt08hkblnbac4uq...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:41:38 -0600, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile
>> <Deser...@spammegmail.com>:
>>
>> >On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:24:51 -0400, Metspitzer
>> ><Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >*CUTS* Please see original
>> >
>> >
>> >> Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new
>> >> races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength
>> >> or high intelligence.
>>
>> >"Fear?" Isn't this a *GOOD* thing?
>>
>> Could be. Could be otherwise; it would depend on the traits
>> selected and the motives of the selectors. The concept has
>> been pretty thoroughly explored in fiction.
>
>Yes, as we all know there is no reason to fear the dark since there is no
>buggerman out there.
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html#ixzz20vQec7mw
>> >
>> >Oh. "The Daily Mail." So it's a lie.
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