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Rodjk #613
Dec 31, 2012, 2:37:38 PM12/31/12
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Hello,
Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
halt.
On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
visit to a pediatrician did not help.
Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
follow.
I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
Rodjk #613
Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
halt.
On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
visit to a pediatrician did not help.
Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
follow.
I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
Rodjk #613
Boikat
Dec 31, 2012, 2:46:55 PM12/31/12
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Boikat
drew
Dec 31, 2012, 2:53:46 PM12/31/12
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wife than for
him for sure as he'll do fine but it's so damn hard to see your kids
go through
illness of any kind. It'll pass and he'll be back his energetic self
before you know
it. Hang in there man. Staff there will treat him like the treasure
he is.
wiki trix
Dec 31, 2012, 2:54:47 PM12/31/12
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soccerfan777
Dec 31, 2012, 3:36:06 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 1:37�pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
lot of much needed luck.
Paul J Gans
Dec 31, 2012, 3:48:45 PM12/31/12
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your spirits up.
--
--- Paul J. Gans
Mitchell Coffey
Dec 31, 2012, 3:52:05 PM12/31/12
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Mitchell Coffey
PeteWasLucky
Dec 31, 2012, 3:54:27 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 2:37 pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
Court_1
Dec 31, 2012, 4:17:26 PM12/31/12
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Oh my goodness, how awful to have to go through. Best wishes to you
and your family.
and your family.
prawnster
Dec 31, 2012, 4:21:56 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 11:37 am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
does that rule only apply to creationists?
"When one scientist accepts an unproven assertion, it is called a
hypothesis. When many scientists accept an unproven assertion, it is
called a consensus." ~ The Law of Prawn
wiki trix
Dec 31, 2012, 4:30:23 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 1:21 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 31, 11:37 am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
> > Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> > good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> > halt.
>
> > On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> > fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> > pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> > The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> > next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> > visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> > Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> > dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> > right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> > tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> > The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> > follow.
>
> > I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
> > Rodjk #613
>
> Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins? Or
> does that rule only apply to creationists?
I am not sure of the rules. But I think a good rule would be to just
> On Dec 31, 11:37 am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
> > Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> > good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> > halt.
>
> > On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> > fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> > pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> > The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> > next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> > visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> > Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> > dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> > right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> > tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> > The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> > follow.
>
> > I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
> > Rodjk #613
>
> Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins? Or
> does that rule only apply to creationists?
ban creationists.
Vlado
Dec 31, 2012, 4:33:22 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 2:37 pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
remember you bragging about your "adoptions" of foreign children.
First off, you are a bloody criminal for putting a child through chemo
torture and if I had a chance, I'd beat you upside down just for
that.
It's one thing to have an old loser go through that because he doesn't
care about himself but to put a child through that and the one that
isn't
yours even is a mortal sin. It's actually empirically proven that
"adoptive
parents" give cancer and other diseases to the kids because of the
bad
lifestyle.
Second of all, the so called cancer of kidney is related to existence
conflict . These children that you adopted or rather stole are
suffering
identity crisis. The best and the only thing you can do
to them is return them to their own people
I urge you or anyone to read this article about the origins of this
particular cancer and the emotions involved. I mean at the end ,
it's not your fault but if you keep being stubborn you will destroy
their life.
http://learninggnm.com/documents/sbs-kidney.html
The biological conflict linked to the Kidney Tubules is an...
•EXISTENCE conflict (“having lost everything”, “my life or livelihood
is at stake”)
•refugee conflict (feeling like “in the desert” or a like “fish out
of water”)
•profound abandonment conflict (feeling isolated, excluded, or
utterly alone)
•hospitalization conflict (a fear of being hospitalized, feeling
isolated from the family)
wiki trix
Dec 31, 2012, 4:39:15 PM12/31/12
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> The biological conflict linked to the Kidney Tubules is an...
>
> •EXISTENCE conflict (“having lost everything”, “my life or livelihood
> is at stake”)
> •refugee conflict (feeling like “in the desert” or a like “fish out
> of water”)
> •profound abandonment conflict (feeling isolated, excluded, or
> utterly alone)
> •hospitalization conflict (a fear of being hospitalized, feeling
> isolated from the family)
I also wish the best to you Vlado. Get well soon.
>
> •EXISTENCE conflict (“having lost everything”, “my life or livelihood
> is at stake”)
> •refugee conflict (feeling like “in the desert” or a like “fish out
> of water”)
> •profound abandonment conflict (feeling isolated, excluded, or
> utterly alone)
> •hospitalization conflict (a fear of being hospitalized, feeling
> isolated from the family)
Vlado
Dec 31, 2012, 4:42:15 PM12/31/12
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wiki trix
Dec 31, 2012, 4:48:37 PM12/31/12
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point in your post that seem a bit irrational. Just saying.
prawnster
Dec 31, 2012, 4:58:32 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 1:30 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
see a bunch of unfamiliar names who, as far as I know, never post in
talk.origins. So I'm guessing that Rod The Adopter is spamming
multiple groups simultaneously with his off-topic rapport-forcing
stuff.
Ah, there is it, duh. Rod The Adopter is crossposting to
rec.sport.tennis, of all places. Cut it out, Rod The Adopter! Just
post your stuff to talk.rapport.forcing.attention.whore in the
future. Thanks a bunch!
And you don't want to ban creationists, trickiwiki -- what's the fun
in that? You know, if there were no atheo-Darwinists stinking this
place up, I'd have no reason to come here and take out the trash.
> [...]
> > Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins? Or
> > does that rule only apply to creationists?
>
> I am not sure of the rules. But I think a good rule would be to just
> ban creationists.
Every time Rod The Adopter posts something about his adopted kids, I
> > does that rule only apply to creationists?
>
> I am not sure of the rules. But I think a good rule would be to just
> ban creationists.
see a bunch of unfamiliar names who, as far as I know, never post in
talk.origins. So I'm guessing that Rod The Adopter is spamming
multiple groups simultaneously with his off-topic rapport-forcing
stuff.
Ah, there is it, duh. Rod The Adopter is crossposting to
rec.sport.tennis, of all places. Cut it out, Rod The Adopter! Just
post your stuff to talk.rapport.forcing.attention.whore in the
future. Thanks a bunch!
And you don't want to ban creationists, trickiwiki -- what's the fun
in that? You know, if there were no atheo-Darwinists stinking this
place up, I'd have no reason to come here and take out the trash.
Vlado
Dec 31, 2012, 5:14:47 PM12/31/12
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human?
Among other things. please get a perspective.
Mike Dworetsky
Dec 31, 2012, 5:26:22 PM12/31/12
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and persistent offenders can be banned.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
Mitchell Coffey
Dec 31, 2012, 5:45:42 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 4:21�pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 31, 11:37�am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
> > Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> > good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> > halt.
>
> > On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> > fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> > pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> > The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> > next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> > visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> > Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> > dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> > right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> > tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> > The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> > follow.
>
> > I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
> > Rodjk #613
>
> Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins? �Or
> does that rule only apply to creationists?
No, cross-posting fewer than five groups is not grounds for being
> On Dec 31, 11:37�am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
> > Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> > good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> > halt.
>
> > On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> > fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> > pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> > The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> > next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> > visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> > Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> > dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> > right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> > tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> > The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> > follow.
>
> > I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
> > Rodjk #613
>
> Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins? �Or
> does that rule only apply to creationists?
banned from talk.origins. There is however an informal rule allowing
at the discretion of the Moderator the banning of posters exhibiting
ongoing psychopathological behavior. Also, the Moderator does not read
most posting to this newsgroup, is suspicious of those asserting
victimization at his virtually non-existent hands, and regards with
skepticism the motives of those who publicly issue complaints
putatively directed at or about alleged violation of purported rules
out of ostensible concern for the well-being of Talk.Origins or a
claimed respect for her laws. Suppositious speculations regarding the
banning of other posters should therefore be taken directly to the
Moderator through email. Fat lot, Prick.
Mitchell Coffey
prawnster
Dec 31, 2012, 6:08:07 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 2:45 pm, Mitchell Coffey <mitchell.cof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No, cross-posting fewer than five groups is not grounds for being
> banned from talk.origins. There is however an informal rule allowing
> at the discretion of the Moderator the banning of posters exhibiting
> ongoing psychopathological behavior. [...]
>
> No, cross-posting fewer than five groups is not grounds for being
> banned from talk.origins. There is however an informal rule allowing
> at the discretion of the Moderator the banning of posters exhibiting
>
People aren't allowed to display ongoing psychopathology on
talk.origins? If that were the case, then I think only Kalkidas and
prawndaddy would be allowed to post here -- boooooring! Certainly,
overheated drama queens like yourself would be banned for life.
wiki trix
Dec 31, 2012, 7:19:39 PM12/31/12
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replicate rapidly. How effective that is and what the tradeoffs are, I
do not know. But I doubt that it is often used as a form of torture.
There are simpler and cheaper ways of doing that. Does that count as a
perspective?
gdgu...@gmail.com
Dec 31, 2012, 7:46:24 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 2:37 pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
Kids deal with it better in some ways. Oh I'm sure they feel
physically terrible sometimes, just like adults, but adults add on
layers of worry and angst that kids largely avoid. When kids are
having a good day, they can't help being kids. When adults feel a
little better for while, they still have the fear and worry.
Amazing things can be done these days, hang in there.
Mitchell Coffey
Dec 31, 2012, 8:14:02 PM12/31/12
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On 12/31/2012 6:08 PM, prawnster wrote:
> On Dec 31, 2:45 pm, Mitchell Coffey <mitchell.cof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No, cross-posting fewer than five groups is not grounds for being
>> banned from talk.origins. There is however an informal rule allowing
>> at the discretion of the Moderator the banning of posters exhibiting
>> ongoing psychopathological behavior. [...]
>>
>
> People aren't allowed to display ongoing psychopathology on
> talk.origins?
OK, read the following several times, and slowly, maybe you'll get it:
> On Dec 31, 2:45 pm, Mitchell Coffey <mitchell.cof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No, cross-posting fewer than five groups is not grounds for being
>> banned from talk.origins. There is however an informal rule allowing
>> at the discretion of the Moderator the banning of posters exhibiting
>> ongoing psychopathological behavior. [...]
>>
>
> People aren't allowed to display ongoing psychopathology on
> talk.origins?
What is it about "an informal rule allowing at the discretion of the
Moderator" that you don't understand? How is it you miss the implication
of "informal rule" and "at the discretion of"?
Mitchell Coffey
osugeography
Dec 31, 2012, 8:26:19 PM12/31/12
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best to you and your family, now, and throughout the years to come. I
hope you can draw a bit of strength from the sincerely compassionate
here, regardless of their viewpoint, and be able to ignore the
flippancy, inanity, and cruelty of the deranged.
Marvin
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
chris thompson
Dec 31, 2012, 8:41:10 PM12/31/12
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your family.
Chris
Vlado
Dec 31, 2012, 8:43:00 PM12/31/12
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It's not his son. He adopted some asian kids that look nothing like
him.
Just kidney problems are related to someone's identity so clearly
this adoption thing is not working for the kids.
You people are sick if you encourage young children to get
poisoned, better yet do it yourself and then come and talk to us.
chris thompson
Dec 31, 2012, 8:46:41 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 4:33 pm, Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
> I almost had sympathy for you until you mentioned chemo and then
snip
You are one sick, sick, deranged piece of scum.
Chris
snip
> I almost had sympathy for you until you mentioned chemo and then
You are one sick, sick, deranged piece of scum.
Chris
felangey
Dec 31, 2012, 8:51:32 PM12/31/12
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> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
> Rodjk #613
>
R....hurts me to hear this....tough news for you to take. Watching your kid
>
> Rodjk #613
>
go through something like this must rank among the hardest things to endure
as a person.
On the upside, the good prognosis is heartening. We will all be thinking
about you and sending out prayers and good thoughts etc. Keep us up to date
and feel free to find support/sound off here as needed.
All the best man....I hope 2013 turns out a positive year for you all.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Dec 31, 2012, 8:56:51 PM12/31/12
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On Tuesday, 1 January 2013 01:43:00 UTC, Vlado wrote:
> It's not his son. He adopted some asian kids that look nothing like
> him.
(1) Like God did, then. (2) "Sean"? (3) Who /are/ you?
> It's not his son. He adopted some asian kids that look nothing like
> him.
Vlado
Dec 31, 2012, 10:04:19 PM12/31/12
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they do
that? Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
start and are
controlled from the subconcious area of the brain. The only way to
permanently
remove the cancer is by removing the brain, no pun intended. All that
chemo does
is torture people and apparently children and force them into
permanent victimhood
status which prevents any real healing obviously.
We know why the medical establishment pushes chemotherapy. It might
have something to do with the fact that the average oncologist salary
is 500 000$
and chemo is the biggest business out there.
Rodjk #613
Dec 31, 2012, 10:15:13 PM12/31/12
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The T.O. moderator has not complained nor have many posters. T.O. and rec.sport. tennis are the two groups I post to so that is why I cross-posted. If people complain or DiG says someting I will stop posting updates.
I do mark the posts OT but if they annoy people I will stop.
Rodjk #613
I do mark the posts OT but if they annoy people I will stop.
Rodjk #613
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Dec 31, 2012, 10:21:23 PM12/31/12
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On Tuesday, 1 January 2013 03:04:19 UTC, Vlado wrote:
> Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
> start and are controlled from the subconcious area of the brain.
If cancer is mental then why do (other) animals get it? You're absurd.
> Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
> start and are controlled from the subconcious area of the brain.
And you are behaving offensively towards somebody with real troubles.
I think you should just stop.
Boikat
Dec 31, 2012, 10:31:26 PM12/31/12
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small minded troll.
Boikat
Tom McDonald
Dec 31, 2012, 10:45:50 PM12/31/12
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On Dec 31, 9:15 pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
posting these updates. I appreciate reading them. A dose of RL from
time to time on TO is not a bad thing at all.
Thomas R. Kettler
Dec 31, 2012, 11:00:49 PM12/31/12
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In article
<9e18b8a4-3adf-4e2e...@f8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
be painful for a young child to have to endure dialysis.
--
Remove blown from email address to reply.
<9e18b8a4-3adf-4e2e...@f8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
"Rodjk #613" <rjk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> halt.
>
> On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> follow.
>
> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
Shall Sean be able to function normally with just one kidney? It would
> Hello,
> Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> halt.
>
> On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> follow.
>
> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
be painful for a young child to have to endure dialysis.
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Rodjk #613
Dec 31, 2012, 11:35:31 PM12/31/12
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Sean should be fine with one kidney. Hopefully the left one won't be affected. We will know more after the surgery on Wednesday.
Rodjk #613
Rodjk #613
Patrick Kehoe
Jan 1, 2013, 1:42:32 AM1/1/13
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On Dec 31, 11:37�am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> halt.
>
> On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> follow.
>
> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
> Rodjk #613
> Hello,
> Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> halt.
>
> On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> follow.
>
> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
[tears]
I'm praying for Alex and you and your wife and family...
Hang in there!
P
Patrick Kehoe
Jan 1, 2013, 1:44:17 AM1/1/13
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Mitchell Coffey
Jan 1, 2013, 2:25:02 AM1/1/13
to
more that four newsgroups. The problem is wholly with the moral idiots
Prawnster and this newer ignoramus, Vlado. DIG has been appraised
regarding the situation. Please don't be intimidated, if it helps to
discuss here the situation with your son, please continue to do so.
You have our support.
Mitchell Coffey
Mitchell Coffey
Jan 1, 2013, 2:28:13 AM1/1/13
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sadism and lack of moral consideration elsewhere. Their are rules of
behavior on this newsgroup and you may well have breached them.
Mitchell Coffey
Mike Dworetsky
Jan 1, 2013, 4:59:50 AM1/1/13
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closely match recipients. The real problems start when both kidneys fail.
My very best wishes to Sean and his family, and may the doctors be blessed
with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
Walter Bushell
Jan 1, 2013, 6:12:08 AM1/1/13
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In article <5e6b4a00-52ed-4843...@googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
By dropping dead preferably.
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Nashton
Jan 1, 2013, 6:51:43 AM1/1/13
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> Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
> start and are
> controlled from the subconcious area of the brain. The only way to
> permanently
> remove the cancer is by removing the brain, no pun intended. All that
> chemo does
> is torture people and apparently children and force them into
> permanent victimhood
> status which prevents any real healing obviously.
>
> We know why the medical establishment pushes chemotherapy. It might
> have something to do with the fact that the average oncologist salary
> is 500 000$
> and chemo is the biggest business out there.
>
Thomas R. Kettler
Jan 1, 2013, 8:00:02 AM1/1/13
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In article <-MSdnZGaCbsGLn_N...@bt.com>,
I know that most adults can get by with one kidney. However, Sean is a
three-year old boy. That's an entirely different situation.
three-year old boy. That's an entirely different situation.
Nashton
Jan 1, 2013, 9:45:59 AM1/1/13
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David Iain Greig
Jan 1, 2013, 11:00:58 AM1/1/13
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prawnster <zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins? Or
> does that rule only apply to creationists?
No, but mocking someone with a child who has a diagnosis of renal cancer
certainly makes my short list.
Want another time out, maybe a month? Keep it up.
--D.
--
david iain greig gr...@ediacara.org
moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~greig arbor plena alouattarum
> Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins? Or
> does that rule only apply to creationists?
No, but mocking someone with a child who has a diagnosis of renal cancer
certainly makes my short list.
Want another time out, maybe a month? Keep it up.
--D.
--
david iain greig gr...@ediacara.org
moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~greig arbor plena alouattarum
Vlado
Jan 1, 2013, 12:29:17 PM1/1/13
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On Dec 31 2012, 10:21 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
Because all animals have a brain, at least the subconcious part, the
one
that deals with survival and present so if there is a threat to
survival , there is more than
likely a predetermined response. For example putting a heat or fire
onto any animal
produces the same subconcious response of avoiding it.The cancer is a
response to an acute, sudden
and unforeseen threat to survival that becomes chronic over time.
Cancer is
characterised by proliferation of tissue if it involves the older part
of the brain(cerebullum) dealing
with most ancient life issues and it is characterised by the loss of
tissue(cerebrum) if it's involves
the newer part of the brain dealing with relatively newer issues. This
is
the case in every single cancer that there is. The simpler animals
with little cerebrum get little
to no cancers that deals with the loss of tissue
absurd at first.
Are you talking about the kid who is suffering or this poster who
adopted a group
of children that look nothing like him?
I am showing concern for the kid whereas most everyone else seems to
be about
soothing the ego of the serial child adopter.
orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 January 2013 03:04:19 UTC, Vlado wrote:
> > Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
> > start and are controlled from the subconcious area of the brain.
>
> If cancer is mental then why do (other) animals get it?
Is this a trick question?
> On Tuesday, 1 January 2013 03:04:19 UTC, Vlado wrote:
> > Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
> > start and are controlled from the subconcious area of the brain.
>
> If cancer is mental then why do (other) animals get it?
Because all animals have a brain, at least the subconcious part, the
one
that deals with survival and present so if there is a threat to
survival , there is more than
likely a predetermined response. For example putting a heat or fire
onto any animal
produces the same subconcious response of avoiding it.The cancer is a
response to an acute, sudden
and unforeseen threat to survival that becomes chronic over time.
Cancer is
characterised by proliferation of tissue if it involves the older part
of the brain(cerebullum) dealing
with most ancient life issues and it is characterised by the loss of
tissue(cerebrum) if it's involves
the newer part of the brain dealing with relatively newer issues. This
is
the case in every single cancer that there is. The simpler animals
with little cerebrum get little
to no cancers that deals with the loss of tissue
You're absurd.
> And you are behaving offensively towards somebody with real troubles.
> I think you should just stop.
Challenging non sense that is indoctrinated into masses is always
> And you are behaving offensively towards somebody with real troubles.
> I think you should just stop.
absurd at first.
Are you talking about the kid who is suffering or this poster who
adopted a group
of children that look nothing like him?
I am showing concern for the kid whereas most everyone else seems to
be about
soothing the ego of the serial child adopter.
Vlado
Jan 1, 2013, 12:42:52 PM1/1/13
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> > Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
> > start and are
> > controlled from the subconcious area of the brain. The only way to
> > permanently
> > remove the cancer is by removing the brain, no pun intended. All that
> > chemo does
> > is torture people and apparently children and force them into
> > permanent victimhood
> > status which prevents any real healing obviously.
>
> This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't know where to start.
>
> > We know why the medical establishment pushes chemotherapy. It might
> > have something to do with the fact that the average oncologist salary
> > is 500 000$
> > and chemo is the biggest business out there.
>
> I'm glad oncologists are remunerated according to their skill and knowledge
authoritarianism
in the world. Just google "forced chemotherapy"
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jan 1, 2013, 1:11:22 PM1/1/13
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Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. No virus, no cancer.
Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
Then there's <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_facial_tumour_disease>
These aren't controversial so you're wrong.
Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
Then there's <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_facial_tumour_disease>
These aren't controversial so you're wrong.
wiki trix
Jan 1, 2013, 1:19:29 PM1/1/13
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chris thompson
Jan 1, 2013, 2:20:31 PM1/1/13
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right and you are totally not.
Nashton, all best wishes for you and your family for the New Year.
Chris
Vlado
Jan 1, 2013, 2:59:01 PM1/1/13
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On Jan 1, 1:19锟絧m, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 1, 9:42锟絘m, Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 锟絩ather to kill them ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghioaK8jXA8
Chemotherapy is a Waste of Money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdLyMhNdcSc
Is cancer a SCAM? You tell me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRekUmggp-I
Health Freedom and the forced chemotherapy of Daniel Hauser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFNMM1bDDK8
> On Jan 1, 9:42锟絘m, Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
> > > > start and are
> > > > controlled from the subconcious area of the brain. The only way to
> > > > permanently
> > > > remove the cancer is by removing the brain, no pun intended. All that
> > > > chemo does
> > > > is torture people and apparently children and force them into
> > > > permanent victimhood
> > > > status which prevents any real healing obviously.
>
> > > This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't know where to start.
>
> > You say
>
> > > > We know why the medical establishment pushes chemotherapy. It might
> > > > have something to do with the fact that the average oncologist salary
> > > > is 500 000$
> > > > and chemo is the biggest business out there.
>
> > > I'm glad oncologists are remunerated according to their skill and knowledge
>
> > No skill required, just fear mongering, ignorance and all the
> > authoritarianism
> > in the world. Just google "forced chemotherapy"
>
> I did that. Here is what I found:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzySHcWuRqw
Died after one Chemotherapy
> > > > Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
> > > > start and are
> > > > controlled from the subconcious area of the brain. The only way to
> > > > permanently
> > > > remove the cancer is by removing the brain, no pun intended. All that
> > > > chemo does
> > > > is torture people and apparently children and force them into
> > > > permanent victimhood
> > > > status which prevents any real healing obviously.
>
> > > This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't know where to start.
>
> > You say
>
> > > > We know why the medical establishment pushes chemotherapy. It might
> > > > have something to do with the fact that the average oncologist salary
> > > > is 500 000$
> > > > and chemo is the biggest business out there.
>
> > > I'm glad oncologists are remunerated according to their skill and knowledge
>
> > No skill required, just fear mongering, ignorance and all the
> > authoritarianism
> > in the world. Just google "forced chemotherapy"
>
> I did that. Here is what I found:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzySHcWuRqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghioaK8jXA8
Chemotherapy is a Waste of Money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdLyMhNdcSc
Is cancer a SCAM? You tell me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRekUmggp-I
Health Freedom and the forced chemotherapy of Daniel Hauser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFNMM1bDDK8
John S. Wilkins
Jan 1, 2013, 4:41:56 PM1/1/13
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> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. No virus, no cancer.
I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
exactly?
>
> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
>
> Then there's <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_facial_tumour_disease>
>
> These aren't controversial so you're wrong.
--
> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
>
> Then there's <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_facial_tumour_disease>
>
> These aren't controversial so you're wrong.
John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
Honorary Fellow, University of Melbourne
- http://evolvingthoughts.net
John S. Wilkins
Jan 1, 2013, 4:41:59 PM1/1/13
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Mike Dworetsky <plati...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
...
...
> My very best wishes to Sean and his family, and may the doctors be blessed
> with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
And mine. I often say this is the best time in history to get cancer.
> with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
Richard Norman
Jan 1, 2013, 5:14:50 PM1/1/13
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:41:56 +1100, jo...@wilkins.id.au (John S.
Wilkins) wrote:
>Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org
><rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. No virus, no cancer.
>
>I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
>cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
>though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
>exactly?
>>
>> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
There are supposedly intelligent people who actually believe that "bad
Wilkins) wrote:
>Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org
><rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. No virus, no cancer.
>
>I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
>cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
>though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
>exactly?
>>
>> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
thinking" can cause cancer probably a result of the totaly invalid
belief that stress is the agent. I had a student advisee who was a
student in a psych course whle undergoing treatment for thyroid
cancer. The professor argued in class that cancer was "in your mind"
and that bad behavioral choices were the cause. She tried in vain to
explain the biology to him to no avail. I got the university to let
her drop the course although it was well past the normal drop period
and also to waive the degree requirement that course was selected to
fulfill. Teaching that material, though, was part of "academic
freedom."
Mike L
Jan 1, 2013, 5:27:57 PM1/1/13
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against cancer". Patients don't fight cancer: doctors do the battling.
--
Mike.
wiki trix
Jan 1, 2013, 6:07:02 PM1/1/13
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On Jan 1, 2:27�pm, Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:14:50 -0700, Richard Norman
>
>
>
>
>
> <r_s_nor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:14:50 -0700, Richard Norman
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:41:56 +1100, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S.
> >Wilkins) wrote:
>
> >>Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-orig...@moderators.isc.org
> >><rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. �No virus, no cancer.
>
> >>I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
> >>cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
> >>though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
> >>exactly?
>
> >>> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
>
> >There are supposedly intelligent people who actually believe that "bad
> >thinking" can cause cancer probably a result of the totaly invalid
> >belief that stress is the agent. �I had a student advisee who was a
> >student in a psych course whle undergoing treatment for thyroid
> >cancer. The professor argued in class that cancer was "in your mind"
> >and that bad behavioral choices were the cause. �She tried in vain to
> >explain the biology to him to no avail. �I got the university to let
> >her drop the course although it was well past the normal drop period
> >and also to waive the degree requirement that course was selected to
> >fulfill. �Teaching that material, though, was part of "academic
> >freedom."
>
> It's reinforced by the journalistic trope "lost his brave battle
> against cancer". Patients don't fight cancer: doctors do the battling.
Hichens made the same point that you are regarding his own cancer. But
>
> >>> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. �No virus, no cancer.
>
> >>I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
> >>cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
> >>though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
> >>exactly?
>
> >>> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
>
> >There are supposedly intelligent people who actually believe that "bad
> >thinking" can cause cancer probably a result of the totaly invalid
> >belief that stress is the agent. �I had a student advisee who was a
> >student in a psych course whle undergoing treatment for thyroid
> >cancer. The professor argued in class that cancer was "in your mind"
> >and that bad behavioral choices were the cause. �She tried in vain to
> >explain the biology to him to no avail. �I got the university to let
> >her drop the course although it was well past the normal drop period
> >and also to waive the degree requirement that course was selected to
> >fulfill. �Teaching that material, though, was part of "academic
> >freedom."
>
> It's reinforced by the journalistic trope "lost his brave battle
> against cancer". Patients don't fight cancer: doctors do the battling.
I do not agree. The immune system carries out a battle against
antigens produced by cancer cells. Other molecular and cellular
processes do battle with cancer in other ways as well. How is this not
a battle?
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jan 1, 2013, 6:07:59 PM1/1/13
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On Tuesday, 1 January 2013 21:41:59 UTC, John S. Wilkins wrote:
> Mike Dworetsky <plati...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > My very best wishes to Sean and his family, and may the doctors be blessed
> > with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
>
> And mine. I often say this is the best time in history to get cancer.
I dunno - isn't it still pretty expensive?
>
> > My very best wishes to Sean and his family, and may the doctors be blessed
> > with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
>
> And mine. I often say this is the best time in history to get cancer.
John S. Wilkins
Jan 1, 2013, 6:32:43 PM1/1/13
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if bad things happen, you are somehow to blame for it. We see this in
economics, psychology, medicine and of course politics. It is why
mothers are blamed for autism and homeless are blamed for not being able
to find work. It is why the mentally ill are treated as perpetrators
rather than victims. It is why we blame the mentally ill for gun crimes.
It is, in short, why our society is fucked in the head.
John S. Wilkins
Jan 1, 2013, 6:32:48 PM1/1/13
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lost my best friend at the age of 5 to leukemia. Now it is curable.
Of course, you should also do it in a country that makes medical
treatment accessible to the ordinary person.
Vlado
Jan 1, 2013, 6:40:01 PM1/1/13
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On Jan 1, 5:27 pm, Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:14:50 -0700, Richard Norman
>
>
>
>
>
> <r_s_nor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:14:50 -0700, Richard Norman
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:41:56 +1100, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S.
> >Wilkins) wrote:
>
> >>Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-orig...@moderators.isc.org
> >><rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. No virus, no cancer.
>
> >>I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
> >>cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
> >>though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
> >>exactly?
>
> >>> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
>
> >There are supposedly intelligent people who actually believe that "bad
> >thinking" can cause cancer probably a result of the totaly invalid
> >belief that stress is the agent. I had a student advisee who was a
> >student in a psych course whle undergoing treatment for thyroid
> >cancer. The professor argued in class that cancer was "in your mind"
> >and that bad behavioral choices were the cause. She tried in vain to
> >explain the biology to him to no avail. I got the university to let
> >her drop the course although it was well past the normal drop period
> >and also to waive the degree requirement that course was selected to
> >fulfill. Teaching that material, though, was part of "academic
> >freedom."
>
> It's reinforced by the journalistic trope "lost his brave battle
> against cancer". Patients don't fight cancer: doctors do the battling.
>
> --
> Mike.
What came first , doctors or the cancer?
>
> >>> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. No virus, no cancer.
>
> >>I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
> >>cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
> >>though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
> >>exactly?
>
> >>> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
>
> >There are supposedly intelligent people who actually believe that "bad
> >thinking" can cause cancer probably a result of the totaly invalid
> >belief that stress is the agent. I had a student advisee who was a
> >student in a psych course whle undergoing treatment for thyroid
> >cancer. The professor argued in class that cancer was "in your mind"
> >and that bad behavioral choices were the cause. She tried in vain to
> >explain the biology to him to no avail. I got the university to let
> >her drop the course although it was well past the normal drop period
> >and also to waive the degree requirement that course was selected to
> >fulfill. Teaching that material, though, was part of "academic
> >freedom."
>
> It's reinforced by the journalistic trope "lost his brave battle
> against cancer". Patients don't fight cancer: doctors do the battling.
>
> --
> Mike.
Vlado
Jan 1, 2013, 6:40:39 PM1/1/13
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On Jan 1, 6:07 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 January 2013 21:41:59 UTC, John S. Wilkins wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, 1 January 2013 21:41:59 UTC, John S. Wilkins wrote:
>
> > Mike Dworetsky <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > My very best wishes to Sean and his family, and may the doctors be blessed
> > > with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
>
> > And mine. I often say this is the best time in history to get cancer.
>
> I dunno - isn't it still pretty expensive?
I think he means it's the best business in the world.
>
> > > My very best wishes to Sean and his family, and may the doctors be blessed
> > > with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
>
> > And mine. I often say this is the best time in history to get cancer.
>
> I dunno - isn't it still pretty expensive?
Richard Clayton
Jan 1, 2013, 7:02:44 PM1/1/13
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On 31-Dec-12 14:37, Rodjk #613 wrote:
> Hello,
> Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> halt.
>
> On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> follow.
>
> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
My sympathies and best wishes to you and your family.
> Hello,
> Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> halt.
>
> On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> follow.
>
> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"I keep six honest serving men (they taught me all I knew); their names
are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who." — Rudyard Kipling
Nashton
Jan 1, 2013, 7:18:09 PM1/1/13
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You are *completely* out of your mind.
> in the world. Just google "forced chemotherapy"
You're digging yourself in a deeper hole by the minute.
wiki trix
Jan 1, 2013, 7:43:23 PM1/1/13
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Mitchell Coffey
Jan 1, 2013, 7:47:45 PM1/1/13
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Australia: 1.05
United States: 10.20
Cite:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
What do you mean "our," Aussie?
Mitchell
Paul J Gans
Jan 1, 2013, 7:54:40 PM1/1/13
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Mitchell Coffey <mitchel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 31 2012, 10:15?pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The T.O. moderator has not complained nor have many posters. T.O. and rec.sport. tennis are the two groups I post to so that is why I cross-posted. If people complain or DiG says someting I will stop posting updates.
>>
>> I do mark the posts OT but if they annoy people I will stop.
>>
>> Rodjk #613
>The problem is not you. The rule is that one should not crosspost with
>more that four newsgroups. The problem is wholly with the moral idiots
>Prawnster and this newer ignoramus, Vlado. DIG has been appraised
>regarding the situation. Please don't be intimidated, if it helps to
>discuss here the situation with your son, please continue to do so.
>You have our support.
Seconded.
--
--- Paul J. Gans
>On Dec 31 2012, 10:15?pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The T.O. moderator has not complained nor have many posters. T.O. and rec.sport. tennis are the two groups I post to so that is why I cross-posted. If people complain or DiG says someting I will stop posting updates.
>>
>> I do mark the posts OT but if they annoy people I will stop.
>>
>> Rodjk #613
>The problem is not you. The rule is that one should not crosspost with
>more that four newsgroups. The problem is wholly with the moral idiots
>Prawnster and this newer ignoramus, Vlado. DIG has been appraised
>regarding the situation. Please don't be intimidated, if it helps to
>discuss here the situation with your son, please continue to do so.
>You have our support.
Seconded.
--
--- Paul J. Gans
Richard Norman
Jan 1, 2013, 7:59:06 PM1/1/13
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density in Australia is so low there are very few people in gunshot
range, hence the low rate.
Paul J Gans
Jan 1, 2013, 8:05:57 PM1/1/13
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wiki trix
Jan 1, 2013, 8:13:23 PM1/1/13
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/11/1124_031124_dinocancer.html
Nashton
Jan 1, 2013, 9:07:23 PM1/1/13
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On 13-01-01 5:41 PM, John S. Wilkins wrote:
> Mike Dworetsky <plati...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>> My very best wishes to Sean and his family, and may the doctors be blessed
>> with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
>
> And mine. I often say this is the best time in history to get cancer.
>
And it's getting better by the day...
> Mike Dworetsky <plati...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>> My very best wishes to Sean and his family, and may the doctors be blessed
>> with the knowledge and tools to defeat his illness.
>
> And mine. I often say this is the best time in history to get cancer.
>
TennisGuy
Jan 1, 2013, 9:59:46 PM1/1/13
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On Dec 31 2012, 2:37 pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rodjk #613
I hope your son has a speedy recovery!
> Rodjk #613
I hope your son has a speedy recovery!
Mitchell Coffey
Jan 1, 2013, 10:04:20 PM1/1/13
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mean streets of Copenhagen.
Mitchell Coffey
Mitchell Coffey
Jan 1, 2013, 10:06:39 PM1/1/13
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Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.
Mitchell
rnorman
Jan 1, 2013, 10:08:05 PM1/1/13
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:04:20 -0500, Mitchell Coffey
Hold on a few minutes and I'll come up with an answer for that one
too.
too.
Nashton
Jan 1, 2013, 10:41:44 PM1/1/13
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On 13-01-01 1:29 PM, Vlado wrote:
> On Dec 31 2012, 10:21 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
> orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> Is this a trick question?
> Because all animals have a brain, at least the subconcious part, the
> one
> that deals with survival and present so if there is a threat to
> survival , there is more than
> likely a predetermined response. For example putting a heat or fire
> onto any animal
> produces the same subconcious response of avoiding it.The cancer is a
> response to an acute, sudden
> and unforeseen threat to survival that becomes chronic over time.
> Cancer is
> characterised by proliferation of tissue if it involves the older part
> of the brain(cerebullum) dealing
> with most ancient life issues and it is characterised by the loss of
> tissue(cerebrum) if it's involves
> the newer part of the brain dealing with relatively newer issues. This
> is
> the case in every single cancer that there is. The simpler animals
> with little cerebrum get little
> to no cancers that deals with the loss of tissue
> You're absurd.
>> And you are behaving offensively towards somebody with real troubles.
>> I think you should just stop.
>
> Challenging non sense that is indoctrinated into masses is always
> absurd at first.
> Are you talking about the kid who is suffering or this poster who
> adopted a group
> of children that look nothing like him?
> I am showing concern for the kid whereas most everyone else seems to
> be about
> soothing the ego of the serial child adopter.
>
>
I can understand stress affecting cellular functions and the ability of
the immune system to work in an optimal fashion, thereby letting a few
cancerous cells attain critical mass and endanger the health and life of
an organism, but to attribute specific stressors (psychological, to
boot), to specific visceral dysfunction, be it cancer or diverticulitis
is one of the most absurd things I've ever read.
You're just as bad as those cooks that believe that vaccines cause autism.
> On Dec 31 2012, 10:21 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
> orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 1 January 2013 03:04:19 UTC, Vlado wrote:
>>> Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
>>> start and are controlled from the subconcious area of the brain.
>>
>> If cancer is mental then why do (other) animals get it?
>>> Killing cancer cells is an incredible idea since all cancers
>>> start and are controlled from the subconcious area of the brain.
>>
> Is this a trick question?
> Because all animals have a brain, at least the subconcious part, the
> one
> that deals with survival and present so if there is a threat to
> survival , there is more than
> likely a predetermined response. For example putting a heat or fire
> onto any animal
> produces the same subconcious response of avoiding it.The cancer is a
> response to an acute, sudden
> and unforeseen threat to survival that becomes chronic over time.
> Cancer is
> characterised by proliferation of tissue if it involves the older part
> of the brain(cerebullum) dealing
> with most ancient life issues and it is characterised by the loss of
> tissue(cerebrum) if it's involves
> the newer part of the brain dealing with relatively newer issues. This
> is
> the case in every single cancer that there is. The simpler animals
> with little cerebrum get little
> to no cancers that deals with the loss of tissue
> You're absurd.
>> And you are behaving offensively towards somebody with real troubles.
>> I think you should just stop.
>
> Challenging non sense that is indoctrinated into masses is always
> absurd at first.
> Are you talking about the kid who is suffering or this poster who
> adopted a group
> of children that look nothing like him?
> I am showing concern for the kid whereas most everyone else seems to
> be about
> soothing the ego of the serial child adopter.
>
>
I can understand stress affecting cellular functions and the ability of
the immune system to work in an optimal fashion, thereby letting a few
cancerous cells attain critical mass and endanger the health and life of
an organism, but to attribute specific stressors (psychological, to
boot), to specific visceral dysfunction, be it cancer or diverticulitis
is one of the most absurd things I've ever read.
You're just as bad as those cooks that believe that vaccines cause autism.
jillery
Jan 2, 2013, 12:54:39 AM1/2/13
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:32:43 +1100, jo...@wilkins.id.au (John S.
A charitable interpretation is that the meme mentioned above is a
perversion of the legitimate concept that immune response generally,
and a patient's treatment to cancer specifically, is affected by a
person's mental state. The placebo effect is real and well-known. At
the very least, one can recognize that some attitudes help patients
fight off depression and avoid a sense they are passive actors.
perversion of the legitimate concept that immune response generally,
and a patient's treatment to cancer specifically, is affected by a
person's mental state. The placebo effect is real and well-known. At
the very least, one can recognize that some attitudes help patients
fight off depression and avoid a sense they are passive actors.
jillery
Jan 2, 2013, 1:03:09 AM1/2/13
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almost certainly happened with the very first multicellular organisms
over 500 mya.
jillery
Jan 2, 2013, 1:06:30 AM1/2/13
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 17:59:06 -0700, Richard Norman
People who kill other people with guns are often mentally dense as
well.
well.
John S. Wilkins
Jan 2, 2013, 6:53:55 AM1/2/13
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because we lack one particular American state of lunacy?
John S. Wilkins
Jan 2, 2013, 6:53:58 AM1/2/13
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Ron O
Jan 2, 2013, 7:25:32 AM1/2/13
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On Dec 31 2012, 1:37 pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> halt.
>
> On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> follow.
>
> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
> Rodjk #613
> Hello,
> Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
> good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
> halt.
>
> On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
> fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
> pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
> The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
> next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
> visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
> Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
> dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
> right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
> tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
> The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
> follow.
>
> I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
>
I hope the best for Sean and the rest of the family. I'm glad that
the prognosis is good.
Ron Okimoto
Vlado
Jan 2, 2013, 11:55:04 AM1/2/13
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But it's not just stress that affects the body, it's emotions and
perceptions which
are largely subconcious. This is the difference why different people
react to the
same stress diffferently.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jan 2, 2013, 12:16:44 PM1/2/13
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you're convinced that cancer is caused by the subconscious, how about
spelling it correctly?
And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
Vlado
Jan 2, 2013, 2:13:14 PM1/2/13
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On Jan 2, 12:16 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
doesn't really
spread through the body either.
doesn't really
spread through the body either.
Bob Casanova
Jan 2, 2013, 3:18:21 PM1/2/13
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:38 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by "Rodjk #613"
<rjk...@gmail.com>:
>Hello,
>Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
>good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
>halt.
>
>On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
>fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
>pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
>The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
>next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
>visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
>Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
>dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
>right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
>tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
>The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
>follow.
>
>I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
Ouch! My full sympathy, and the hope it all works out OK.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
appeared in talk.origins, posted by "Rodjk #613"
<rjk...@gmail.com>:
>Hello,
>Well, we had a good month going with the adoption of Alex. But all
>good things end, and our run of good luck has just come to a crashing
>halt.
>
>On Thursday, Dec 20th our oldest boy, Sean, got sick. Threw up, ran
>fever. Happened again on the 21st, so I took him in to his
>pediatrician. He was peeing blood. That is not a good sign.
>
>The diagnosis was a bladder infection. But he did not improve over the
>next few days. A follow up trip to the Emergency room and another
>visit to a pediatrician did not help.
>
>Finally, on the 27th we brought him to Texas Children's and got some
>dreaded news: Wilms Tumor. This is a cancer of the kidneys, and his
>right kidney is affected and will have to be removed along with the
>tumor. It will be a tough time for a 3 yr old.
>
>The prognosis is good, but it will be tough no matter what. Chemo to
>follow.
>
>I will try to keep updating as to how things turn out.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
Jan 2, 2013, 3:20:26 PM1/2/13
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:21:56 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:
>Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins?
No. As with nearly everything you post your understanding of
this is sadly, but understandably, deficient.
I suggest self-immolation as a cure.
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:
>Isn't cross-posting grounds for being banned from talk.origins?
No. As with nearly everything you post your understanding of
this is sadly, but understandably, deficient.
I suggest self-immolation as a cure.
Bob Casanova
Jan 2, 2013, 3:23:30 PM1/2/13
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:08:07 -0800 (PST), the following
>People aren't allowed to display ongoing psychopathology on
>talk.origins?
Of course they are; your posts appear with regularity. Or
maybe, given their usual content, that should be "with
irregularity". Have you tried Kaopectate?
>People aren't allowed to display ongoing psychopathology on
>talk.origins?
Of course they are; your posts appear with regularity. Or
maybe, given their usual content, that should be "with
irregularity". Have you tried Kaopectate?
Paul J Gans
Jan 2, 2013, 3:29:34 PM1/2/13
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jillery
Jan 2, 2013, 4:32:56 PM1/2/13
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlad...@gmail.com>
wrote:
So where do cancers spread?
wrote:
wiki trix
Jan 2, 2013, 4:45:37 PM1/2/13
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On Jan 2, 4:32 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
Oh stop teasing him. It is too sad to watch all this going on.
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
Vlado
Jan 2, 2013, 5:28:25 PM1/2/13
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On Jan 2, 4:32 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
mean.
Not even scientists can catch cancer cells in blood or lymph and no
one gets
tested for cancer by blood nor can anyone "catch" cancer by blood. So
how can
cancer possibly spread or metastasize as oncologists claim ? Please
ask someone
that preferably an oncologist or a scientist , because it makes no
sense that cancers spread
by the only that they can travel in the body. Yet they seriously claim
it after they
go through their routine of cutting , radiating and poisoning that
there is a new cancer.
On the other hand if you really wonder how cancer comes to be, what is
forgotten is
that all cells in the body are controlled or rather mediated by the
brain, including the cancer cells.
So what is called "metastasis" in reality is a new cancer due to the
new and unexpected conflict
and schock. Cancers grow as long as the conflict is active or as long
as the body is alive.
wiki trix
Jan 2, 2013, 5:35:17 PM1/2/13
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to improper SP orbital hybridization. Duh.
But... um... well... OK. The non-perfect H-O-H bond angle is an
unexpected schock to outer valences of the mind. So yah... my bad.
jillery
Jan 2, 2013, 6:42:03 PM1/2/13
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:28:25 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlad...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Jan 2, 4:32 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jan 2, 12:16 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
>> >orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, 2 January 2013 16:55:04 UTC, Vlado wrote:
>> >> > On Jan 1, 10:41 pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > You're just as bad as those cooks that believe that vaccines cause autism.
>>
>> >> > Cooks?
>>
>> >> I think the usual orthography is "kooks". But on that point, since
>> >> you're convinced that cancer is caused by the subconscious, how about
>> >> spelling it correctly?
>>
>> >> And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
>> >> of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
>> >> to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
>>
>> >Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
>> >doesn't really
>> >spread through the body either.
>>
>> So where do cancers spread?
>
>Cancers do not spread by the blood or lymph nodes if that's what you
>mean.
No, you brought it up. You tell me what you mean.
>Not even scientists can catch cancer cells in blood or lymph and no
>one gets
>tested for cancer by blood nor can anyone "catch" cancer by blood. So
>how can
>cancer possibly spread or metastasize as oncologists claim ? Please
>ask someone
>that preferably an oncologist or a scientist , because it makes no
>sense that cancers spread
>by the only that they can travel in the body. Yet they seriously claim
>it after they
>go through their routine of cutting , radiating and poisoning that
>there is a new cancer.
>
>On the other hand if you really wonder how cancer comes to be, what is
>forgotten is
>that all cells in the body are controlled or rather mediated by the
>brain, including the cancer cells.
>So what is called "metastasis" in reality is a new cancer due to the
>new and unexpected conflict
>and schock. Cancers grow as long as the conflict is active or as long
>as the body is alive.
So how many people have you cured of cancer?
wrote:
>On Jan 2, 4:32 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jan 2, 12:16 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
>> >orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, 2 January 2013 16:55:04 UTC, Vlado wrote:
>> >> > On Jan 1, 10:41 pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > You're just as bad as those cooks that believe that vaccines cause autism.
>>
>> >> > Cooks?
>>
>> >> I think the usual orthography is "kooks". But on that point, since
>> >> you're convinced that cancer is caused by the subconscious, how about
>> >> spelling it correctly?
>>
>> >> And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
>> >> of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
>> >> to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
>>
>> >Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
>> >doesn't really
>> >spread through the body either.
>>
>> So where do cancers spread?
>
>Cancers do not spread by the blood or lymph nodes if that's what you
>mean.
>Not even scientists can catch cancer cells in blood or lymph and no
>one gets
>tested for cancer by blood nor can anyone "catch" cancer by blood. So
>how can
>cancer possibly spread or metastasize as oncologists claim ? Please
>ask someone
>that preferably an oncologist or a scientist , because it makes no
>sense that cancers spread
>by the only that they can travel in the body. Yet they seriously claim
>it after they
>go through their routine of cutting , radiating and poisoning that
>there is a new cancer.
>
>On the other hand if you really wonder how cancer comes to be, what is
>forgotten is
>that all cells in the body are controlled or rather mediated by the
>brain, including the cancer cells.
>So what is called "metastasis" in reality is a new cancer due to the
>new and unexpected conflict
>and schock. Cancers grow as long as the conflict is active or as long
>as the body is alive.
Paul J Gans
Jan 2, 2013, 8:00:07 PM1/2/13
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jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlad...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>On Jan 2, 12:16?pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
>On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlad...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 2 January 2013 16:55:04 UTC, Vlado ?wrote:
>>> > On Jan 1, 10:41?pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > You're just as bad as those cooks that believe that vaccines cause autism.
>>>
>>> > Cooks?
>>>
>>> I think the usual orthography is "kooks". ?But on that point, since
>>>
>>> > > You're just as bad as those cooks that believe that vaccines cause autism.
>>>
>>> > Cooks?
>>>
>>> you're convinced that cancer is caused by the subconscious, how about
>>> spelling it correctly?
>>>
>>> And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
>>> of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
>>> to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
>>
>>Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
>>doesn't really
>>spread through the body either.
>So where do cancers spread?
On lawns, in newspapers, and by knitting.
>>> spelling it correctly?
>>>
>>> And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
>>> of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
>>> to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
>>
>>Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
>>doesn't really
>>spread through the body either.
>So where do cancers spread?
Why are you arguing with this guy?
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jan 2, 2013, 8:44:47 PM1/2/13
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On Wednesday, 2 January 2013 23:42:03 UTC, jillery wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:28:25 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlad...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Jan 2, 4:32 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Jan 2, 12:16 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
> >> >orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
> >> >> of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
> >> >> to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
> >>
> >> >Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
> >> >doesn't really
> >> >spread through the body either.
> >>
> >> So where do cancers spread?
> >
> >Cancers do not spread by the blood or lymph nodes if that's what you
> >mean.
>
> No, you brought it up. You tell me what you mean.
Strictly, I brought it up. The real thinking by real scientists
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:28:25 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlad...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Jan 2, 4:32 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Jan 2, 12:16 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
> >> >orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
> >> >> of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
> >> >> to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
> >>
> >> >Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
> >> >doesn't really
> >> >spread through the body either.
> >>
> >> So where do cancers spread?
> >
> >Cancers do not spread by the blood or lymph nodes if that's what you
> >mean.
>
> No, you brought it up. You tell me what you mean.
seems to be that macrophages, which are immune system cells,
are involved in secondary cancer (metastasis, spreading).
And that plants don't have that kind of immune system.
And in fact there /are/ blood tests for various types of cancer.
Mitchell Coffey
Jan 2, 2013, 9:08:38 PM1/2/13
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lawns and newspapers.
Mitchell
William Morse
Jan 2, 2013, 11:13:20 PM1/2/13
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On 01/01/2013 06:32 PM, John S. Wilkins wrote:
head, and this is only one of them. But to counter your specific
argument, even though people are not in fact able to completely control
their responses, if we don't hold them liable for their responses they
will take advantage of our charity. Once there are sufficient feedback
loops determinism doesn't hold either way. People aren't responsible and
are responsible for their actions.
> Richard Norman<r_s_n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:41:56 +1100, jo...@wilkins.id.au (John S.
>> Wilkins) wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org
>>> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. No virus, no cancer.
>>>
>>> I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
>>> cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
>>> though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
>>> exactly?
>>>>
>>>> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
>>
>> There are supposedly intelligent people who actually believe that "bad
>> thinking" can cause cancer probably a result of the totaly invalid
>> belief that stress is the agent. I had a student advisee who was a
>> student in a psych course whle undergoing treatment for thyroid
>> cancer. The professor argued in class that cancer was "in your mind"
>> and that bad behavioral choices were the cause. She tried in vain to
>> explain the biology to him to no avail. I got the university to let
>> her drop the course although it was well past the normal drop period
>> and also to waive the degree requirement that course was selected to
>> fulfill. Teaching that material, though, was part of "academic
>> freedom."
>
>
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:41:56 +1100, jo...@wilkins.id.au (John S.
>> Wilkins) wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org
>>> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cervical cancer is caused by a virus infection. No virus, no cancer.
>>>
>>> I lost my left index finger to a viral infection (HPV) that caused a
>>> cancer in the same tissue types that get cervical cancer (my cervix,
>>> though, is fine, thanks for asking). How did I do that mentally,
>>> exactly?
>>>>
>>>> Skin cancer is caused by overexposure to ultraviolet light.
>>
>> There are supposedly intelligent people who actually believe that "bad
>> thinking" can cause cancer probably a result of the totaly invalid
>> belief that stress is the agent. I had a student advisee who was a
>> student in a psych course whle undergoing treatment for thyroid
>> cancer. The professor argued in class that cancer was "in your mind"
>> and that bad behavioral choices were the cause. She tried in vain to
>> explain the biology to him to no avail. I got the university to let
>> her drop the course although it was well past the normal drop period
>> and also to waive the degree requirement that course was selected to
>> fulfill. Teaching that material, though, was part of "academic
>> freedom."
>
> I conjecture this is part of a general cultural Protestantism, in which
> if bad things happen, you are somehow to blame for it. We see this in
> economics, psychology, medicine and of course politics. It is why
> mothers are blamed for autism and homeless are blamed for not being able
> to find work. It is why the mentally ill are treated as perpetrators
> rather than victims. It is why we blame the mentally ill for gun crimes.
> It is, in short, why our society is fucked in the head.
I think there are any number of reasons why our society is fucked in the
> if bad things happen, you are somehow to blame for it. We see this in
> economics, psychology, medicine and of course politics. It is why
> mothers are blamed for autism and homeless are blamed for not being able
> to find work. It is why the mentally ill are treated as perpetrators
> rather than victims. It is why we blame the mentally ill for gun crimes.
> It is, in short, why our society is fucked in the head.
head, and this is only one of them. But to counter your specific
argument, even though people are not in fact able to completely control
their responses, if we don't hold them liable for their responses they
will take advantage of our charity. Once there are sufficient feedback
loops determinism doesn't hold either way. People aren't responsible and
are responsible for their actions.
jillery
Jan 2, 2013, 10:34:08 PM1/2/13
to
just as much sense as most of the stuff that gets argued on T.O.
without any question from you.
Or are you asking why *I* am arguing with this guy?
jillery
Jan 2, 2013, 10:38:10 PM1/2/13
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:44:47 -0800 (PST), "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc
talk-o...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, 2 January 2013 23:42:03 UTC, jillery wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:28:25 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlad...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Jan 2, 4:32 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Jan 2, 12:16 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
>> >> >orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
>> >> >> of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
>> >> >> to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
>> >>
>> >> >Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
>> >> >doesn't really
>> >> >spread through the body either.
>> >>
>> >> So where do cancers spread?
>> >
>> >Cancers do not spread by the blood or lymph nodes if that's what you
>> >mean.
>>
>> No, you brought it up. You tell me what you mean.
>
>Strictly, I brought it up.
You Robert Carnegie brought up plant cancers. Vlado claimed that
talk-o...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, 2 January 2013 23:42:03 UTC, jillery wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:28:25 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlad...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Jan 2, 4:32 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), Vlado <vlado2...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Jan 2, 12:16 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
>> >> >orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> And have you considered that plants get cancer, although for reasons
>> >> >> of biology it doesn't spread through the plant body, and is liable
>> >> >> to be called by a different name such as "gall"?
>> >>
>> >> >Thank you for that and I haven't heard of galls before but cancer
>> >> >doesn't really
>> >> >spread through the body either.
>> >>
>> >> So where do cancers spread?
>> >
>> >Cancers do not spread by the blood or lymph nodes if that's what you
>> >mean.
>>
>> No, you brought it up. You tell me what you mean.
>
>Strictly, I brought it up.
cancer doesn't spread through any body. Hopefully you're not claiming
these two claims are the same.
> The real thinking by real scientists
>seems to be that macrophages, which are immune system cells,
>are involved in secondary cancer (metastasis, spreading).
>And that plants don't have that kind of immune system.
>
>And in fact there /are/ blood tests for various types of cancer.
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