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Logos

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Jun 22, 2006, 9:59:54 PM6/22/06
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I have a problem employee on my hands.

The other morning I was in my spacious office (best skyline view in the
building!) finishing up my prayers. I raised my head, opened my eyes, and
saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in the doorway. If I didn't know
any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.

"Can I help you, Tony?" I asked. Personally, I was never very keen on
hiring the guy, basically doing it as a favor for a longtime business
associate. Tony was the type of guy in the office who knew how to game the
multicultural/sexual sensitivity policies of the company, as evidenced by
his cubical, festooned as it was with faux drug paraphanalia, a half-burnt
American flag, and, most offensively, a Darwin screensaver. My attempts to
quash this grotesque display had in turn been quashed by the HR department,
who had the nerve to insist I attend sensitivity training!

And now here was Tony, probably having blown off the entire morning, holding
his cup of chai, looking at me with barely concealed disdain.

Finally he spoke in his weasely, smarmy voice. "What do you think you're
doing?"

"Praying. To G_d the Almighty. Not that you'd know anything about that."
Tensions were running high.

"What a waste of time! There is no G_d!" Now this guy was really getting
on my nerves. You can insult me all you want, but my main man G_d is off
limits.

"Oh yea?" I shot back. "I suppose you worship Darwin."

"That's right," he said in his weaseliest voice.

"Did you know that even Darwin himself recanted on his deathbed?"

Direct hit! I could sense his spine stiffening. "That's bull----!" he
expurgated.

"Yep, it's true. Truth hurts, doesn't it?"

"W-well," he started, trying to regain the offensive, "he was probably going
senile at that point and didn't know what he was saying!"

"But if Darwin can be wrong, as you just permitted, then perhaps he can be
wrong on other counts. If he had a lapse of judgement on his deathbed, then
his entire life's work is no longer iron clad. It throws all evolution
theory in doubt. The fact that the guy was basically the intellectual
forerunner to the Nazis doesn't exactly help his case."

"But evolution is a fact!"

"Riiiight...," this guy was sinking fast. "See that cup of chai in your
hand?"

He was really rattled now. He sensed a trap was looming, but walked right
into it anyway. "Y-yes. I think so."

"If you're a Darwinist, you should have no problem believing that this
morning, a bunch of tea leaves spontaneously assembled themselves into a
bag, randomly dipped themselves into a cup of steaming hot water out of
chance, then got mixed with just the right proportions of sugar, unmodified
food starches, cinnamons, aniseeds, and cloves, all to make that tasty cup
of chai. Purely at random."

"Get outta here!" he said, loosening his tie and running his forearm over
his sweaty brow. "That could never happen!"

"Exactly! Yet that's precisely the same logic Darwin used when he asserted
life arose out of thin air!"

BOOM!! He was finished. But, as they say, the HR department is the last
refuge of a scoundrel. "You're threatening my belief system!" he whined.
"Consider yourself under report!"

Tomorrow, I understand the HR department wants to meet with me. Tomorrow
will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist allies in HR, the
result of which could establish a significant precedent in companies across
the country.


Marc

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:07:36 PM6/22/06
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Logos wrote:
> I have a problem employee on my hands.

Dare I say "Oh, Shut Up" first?

Mr. Logos, if you would care to discuss what evolution
is and why I accept it, please reply. Otherwise, don't.

(signed) marc

.

hello5959us

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:11:37 PM6/22/06
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Charles Darwin recounted in his biography of his grandfather Erasmus
Darwin how false stories were circulated claiming that Erasmus had
called for Jesus on his deathbed. Charles concluded by writing "Such
was the state of Christian feeling in this country [in 1802].... We may
at least hope that nothing of the kind now prevails." Despite this
hope, very similar stories were circulated following Darwin's own
death, most prominently the "Lady Hope Story", published in 1915 which
claimed he had converted on his sickbed.[2] Such stories have been
propagated by some Christian groups, to the extent of becoming urban
legends, though the claims were refuted by Darwin's children and have
been dismissed as false by historians. His daughter, Henrietta, who was
at his deathbed, said that he did not convert to Christianity.

bul...@bellsouth.net

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:13:37 PM6/22/06
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Logos wrote:
> I have a problem employee on my hands.

<snip>

So, what you're saying is that it's okay to lie in the name of your
god.

Boikat

Dave

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:15:32 PM6/22/06
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Logos wrote:
> I have a problem [...]

Yeah.

Desertphile

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:22:10 PM6/22/06
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Logos wrote:

> I have a problem employee on my hands.

Have you tried sheding tears of rage at her or him?

Cheezits

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:26:51 PM6/22/06
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"Logos" <a...@asd.com> wrote:
[tale of weaselly Sensitive Newage Darwinist deleted]

> Tomorrow will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist
> allies in HR, the result of which could establish a significant
> precedent in companies across the country.

Ooh! I can't wait to read all about it. Keep us posted, okay?

I'll have a nice cup of chai tea all ready when you do.

Sue
--
"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green

Desertphile

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:27:00 PM6/22/06
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bul...@bellsouth.net wrote:

> Logos wrote:

> <snip>

His paper god, the Bible, says he is going to Hell. See Job 13:4-12

> Boikat

bullpup

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:37:39 PM6/22/06
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"Cheezits" <Cheez...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Logos" <a...@asd.com> wrote:
> [tale of weaselly Sensitive Newage Darwinist deleted]
> > Tomorrow will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist
> > allies in HR, the result of which could establish a significant
> > precedent in companies across the country.
>
> Ooh! I can't wait to read all about it. Keep us posted, okay?
>
> I'll have a nice cup of chai tea all ready when you do.

<Trump> Logos, you make up crappy fairy tailes in the vain hopes that you
are in some way damaging the theory of evolution. Logos, you're fired.
</Trump>

Boikat
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bullpup

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Jun 22, 2006, 10:38:32 PM6/22/06
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"Desertphile" <deser...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Cool.

Boikat

Thurisaz the Einherjer

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Jun 22, 2006, 11:17:41 PM6/22/06
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As braindead as every chicken tract. Kudos for making a fool of yourself
again.

--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."

My personal judgment of monotheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus

Inez

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Jun 22, 2006, 11:20:06 PM6/22/06
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Cheezits wrote:
> "Logos" <a...@asd.com> wrote:
> [tale of weaselly Sensitive Newage Darwinist deleted]
> > Tomorrow will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist
> > allies in HR, the result of which could establish a significant
> > precedent in companies across the country.
>
> Ooh! I can't wait to read all about it. Keep us posted, okay?
>
> I'll have a nice cup of chai tea all ready when you do.
>
> Sue
> --

You watch that little missy, that's a LIBERAL drink.

Inez

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Jun 22, 2006, 11:23:32 PM6/22/06
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Logos wrote:
> I have a problem employee on my hands.
<snip>

> Tomorrow, I understand the HR department wants to meet with me. Tomorrow
> will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist allies in HR, the
> result of which could establish a significant precedent in companies across
> the country.

When a whole country full of your make believe friends turn against
you, you've moved beyond pathetic into new uncharted territory.

I'm hoping for a modern retelling of Franz Kafka's "The Trial" as a
follow up, but that really is quite a bit of optimism.

Lee Jay

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Jun 22, 2006, 11:23:27 PM6/22/06
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This one might push me over to the Loki side on Logos. I'm not sure
anyone could say this stuff with a straight face unless they knew they
were making it up for their own amusement.

Lee Jay

rupert....@gmail.com

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Jun 22, 2006, 11:43:39 PM6/22/06
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Logos wrote:
[snip]

> "Did you know that even Darwin himself recanted on his deathbed?"
[snip]

There is only one account of Darwin recanting on his deathbed (the
unreliable Lady Hope), but there are two accounts of Jesus doing so:

Matthew 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why
hast thou forsaken me?"

Mark 15:34 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My
God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

So, either Logos has no problem with people who recant at the moments
of their death, and he needs to find new material, or he's a stinking
hypocrite.

Tom McDonald

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Jun 22, 2006, 11:48:23 PM6/22/06
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Welcome to the dark side!

Bill Wayne

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Jun 23, 2006, 12:00:10 AM6/23/06
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Logos wrote:

Hello, and welcome to the analysis. Here, we will analyze Logos's
argument style and draw conclusions from it. This one provides an ideal
model. Let's begin.

> I have a problem employee on my hands.
>
> The other morning I was in my spacious office (best skyline view in the
> building!) finishing up my prayers. I raised my head, opened my eyes, and
> saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in the doorway. If I didn't know
> any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.

First, we can clearly see how he is trying to set himself up as an
important person. This is shown by A) him saying he has employees
(indicating that he has a high rank in his corporation), and B) he has
a spacious office.

Furthermore, he is insinuating that his religion led to his success.
This is abnormal. Usually, he says this directly. Let's continue.

> "Can I help you, Tony?" I asked. Personally, I was never very keen on
> hiring the guy, basically doing it as a favor for a longtime business
> associate. Tony was the type of guy in the office who knew how to game the
> multicultural/sexual sensitivity policies of the company, as evidenced by
> his cubical, festooned as it was with faux drug paraphanalia, a half-burnt
> American flag, and, most offensively, a Darwin screensaver. My attempts to
> quash this grotesque display had in turn been quashed by the HR department,
> who had the nerve to insist I attend sensitivity training!

Logos now immediately explains his standpoint: homophobic, xenophobic,
sciophobic. In short, extremely conservative. And he wears it as a
badge of pride.

> And now here was Tony, probably having blown off the entire morning, holding
> his cup of chai, looking at me with barely concealed disdain.

Once again, we can see evidence of his xenophobia.

> Finally he spoke in his weasely, smarmy voice. "What do you think you're
> doing?"

Now, he is setting up opponent as a vile person. He is trying to demote
the foe into something less than human, which points towards his own
virtue (and therefore trustworthiness).

> "Praying. To G_d the Almighty. Not that you'd know anything about that."
> Tensions were running high.

Sidenote: He uses G_d, not God. Either he is religious to the point
where he refuses to use God's name if vain, or he worships
Gunderscored.

> "What a waste of time! There is no G_d!" Now this guy was really getting
> on my nerves. You can insult me all you want, but my main man G_d is off
> limits.

Further emphasis on his virtue, and thus his trustworthiness.

> "Oh yea?" I shot back. "I suppose you worship Darwin."
>
> "That's right," he said in his weaseliest voice.

At this point, he is further dehumanizing the opposition. In addition,
he is stereotyping the other side. If one person sees Darwin as a god
(oops, g_d), then all of them must.

This is clearly false. *I* worship Nyarlathotep.

> "Did you know that even Darwin himself recanted on his deathbed?"
>
> Direct hit! I could sense his spine stiffening. "That's bull----!" he
> expurgated.
>
> "Yep, it's true. Truth hurts, doesn't it?"

We finally reach Logos's arguing. Here, like in many other places, he
uses an argument proven multiple times. In this one case, he uses one
that even other creationists disdain from using. Finally, Darwin's
recanting, even if it were true, oes not impact the theory of
evolution.

What we must note, however, is that Logos is using an argument that
WOULD seem perfectly reasonable to a casual reader. Furthermore, he has
already established himself, at least in theory, as a paragon of
virtue.

> "W-well," he started, trying to regain the offensive, "he was probably going
> senile at that point and didn't know what he was saying!"

Logos has designed his target to not know the effective responses. He
does have a viable response, although Logos had him say this to further
push the point.

> "But if Darwin can be wrong, as you just permitted, then perhaps he can be
> wrong on other counts. If he had a lapse of judgement on his deathbed, then
> his entire life's work is no longer iron clad. It throws all evolution
> theory in doubt. The fact that the guy was basically the intellectual
> forerunner to the Nazis doesn't exactly help his case."

Again Logos uses faulty arguments. If Darwin suffered a bout of
senility, that does not mean he randomly went insane when he was young
and more fit. Furthermore, saying he may have made a mistake does not
impact the evidence. Finally, Darwin's theories did not encourage
eugenics. Sparta was doing such things long beforehand, for example.

Once again, however, note the lure to a casual observer.

> "But evolution is a fact!"
>
> "Riiiight...," this guy was sinking fast. "See that cup of chai in your
> hand?"
>
> He was really rattled now. He sensed a trap was looming, but walked right
> into it anyway. "Y-yes. I think so."
>
> "If you're a Darwinist, you should have no problem believing that this
> morning, a bunch of tea leaves spontaneously assembled themselves into a
> bag, randomly dipped themselves into a cup of steaming hot water out of
> chance, then got mixed with just the right proportions of sugar, unmodified
> food starches, cinnamons, aniseeds, and cloves, all to make that tasty cup
> of chai. Purely at random."

Logos, as in many cases beforehand, has taken advantage of a straw man
to demolish evolution. This, in addition to snaring a casual observer,
would also greatly impact a person who knew a little.

> "Get outta here!" he said, loosening his tie and running his forearm over
> his sweaty brow. "That could never happen!"

Here, as in many cases, Logos is showing his victim as rapidly losing
his backbone. This insinuates that he is being effective, adding
further impact to his anecdote.

> "Exactly! Yet that's precisely the same logic Darwin used when he asserted
> life arose out of thin air!"

Note the strawman.

> BOOM!! He was finished. But, as they say, the HR department is the last
> refuge of a scoundrel. "You're threatening my belief system!" he whined.
> "Consider yourself under report!"
>
> Tomorrow, I understand the HR department wants to meet with me. Tomorrow
> will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist allies in HR, the
> result of which could establish a significant precedent in companies across
> the country.

In these two final cases, note how Logos is once again protraying
pro-science as a "religion", and how his opponent is being rapidly
demolished.

To wrap everything up, Logos's normal anecdote pattern (at least in
argument cases) is to first establish himself as a paragon of virtue
and his opponent as a paragon of evil (or, in other cases, hopelessly
deluded). Then, he uses this background to support his case, which
consists entirely of arguments that are easily demolished *if you know
the responses*. Finally, he triumphantly protrays his opponent as
demolished wreck, to add weight to his arguments and show how evolution
(and anything he abhors) has been ripped apart. Interestingly, this is
the first case in which he has not made a degoratory French reference.

Good thing we aren't casual observers.

Bill

Bill Wayne

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Counterexample: http://www.timecube.com/

Gene Rays been at it for thirty years or so. Timecube trumps even Logos
in sheer idiocity.

Bill

CreateThis

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Jun 23, 2006, 12:44:22 AM6/23/06
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I can't give that a passing mark. Your writing style and dialogue are
solid as ever, but you just don't sound like you care any more.
Where's the goofy pathos, the zany Guy Noir patter? Why shouldn't we
click through to McCoy or NashtOn or a half dozen other reliably nutty
posters? The evo/creo reading public is vast, but fickle - you gotta
keep your edge.

I dunno, Log'... you can't cut it in debate and the fire seems to
have gone out of your Loki act. A change might help. Have you
checked for openings in other areas, like Global Warming or Second
Hand Smoke?

CT

Bobby D. Bryant

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Jun 23, 2006, 12:51:19 AM6/23/06
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, "Logos" <a...@asd.com> wrote:

> I have a problem

You certainly do.

--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

Faux_Pseudo

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_.-In talk.origins, Logos wrote the following -._

> I have a problem employee on my hands.

I read this one to my girlfriend. She didn't get the parody and
almost jumped out of her chair at the 'Darwin recanted' bit. This one
wasn't as good as some of the others. But it is much nicer now that
you aren't posting other peoples work and have started creating your
own.

Keep up the good work. I always get a chuckle from your stories.

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guscubed

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Jun 23, 2006, 1:33:50 AM6/23/06
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hahahahahaha ROTFLMAOATS! Just when I thought he couldn't get any
funnier. I love this guy!

JPG

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Jun 23, 2006, 2:48:14 AM6/23/06
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Logos wrote:

> as evidenced by
> his cubical,


Amazing how people without a good command of the English language can
rise to such a high position.

Oops, I forgot about GWB.

Tiktaalik

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Jun 23, 2006, 7:16:36 AM6/23/06
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You moronic, pathetic excuse for a human. Go buy yourself an
intellect. Oh, and a personality while you are about it..

Inez

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Jun 23, 2006, 9:37:16 AM6/23/06
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> To wrap everything up, Logos's normal anecdote pattern (at least in
> argument cases) is to first establish himself as a paragon of virtue
> and his opponent as a paragon of evil (or, in other cases, hopelessly
> deluded). Then, he uses this background to support his case, which
> consists entirely of arguments that are easily demolished *if you know
> the responses*. Finally, he triumphantly protrays his opponent as
> demolished wreck, to add weight to his arguments and show how evolution
> (and anything he abhors) has been ripped apart. Interestingly, this is
> the first case in which he has not made a degoratory French reference.
>

I've often thought his little stories might have a better flavor if he
did them a bit more David VS Goliath style, instead of Goliath VS
David. It's a bit difficult for me to sympathize with his swaggering
self-aggrandizement and his bullying and judging of obviously mentally
handicapped people.

Of course, being a troll, coming off well is not his goal.

Robert Weldon

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"Logos" <a...@asd.com> wrote in message
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>I have a problem employee on my hands.
>
> The other morning I was in my spacious office (best skyline view in the
> building!) finishing up my prayers. I raised my head, opened my eyes, and
> saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in the doorway. If I didn't know
> any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.

Strange, last time you blessed us with your presence, you were a young man
in school. I am confused. You wouldn't be making these stories up, would
you? Seems to me lying is a mortal sin in your religion, although with you
worshipping Gunderscored instead of the more usual God, I am somewhat unsure
of your religionous orientation.

Kermit

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Jun 23, 2006, 10:24:23 AM6/23/06
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Wait! What?

Logos is going to Hell?

[...]

Maybe I want to convert after all...

Kermit

Kermit

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Jun 23, 2006, 10:37:10 AM6/23/06
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Well, most of his posts are to alt.gossip.celebrities or
alt.fan.howard-stern, so it may be he worships the Whore of Babylon.

Kermit

Geoff

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"Bill Wayne" <HWa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Praying. To G_d the Almighty. Not that you'd know anything about
>> that."
>> Tensions were running high.
>
> Sidenote: He uses G_d, not God. Either he is religious to the point
> where he refuses to use God's name if vain, or he worships
> Gunderscored.

Isn't Gunderscored's name as bad as writing it? And since when is his name
God. When did he change it from Yahweh? What was the reason? Is it similar
to when the Windsors changed theirs from Hanover?


Iain

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Jun 23, 2006, 10:46:33 AM6/23/06
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Logos wrote:
> I have a problem employee on my hands.

You employed an atheist Darwinist kind of thing and he tripped up a
blind man.

You should have him shot.

~Iain

Iain

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Jun 23, 2006, 10:49:51 AM6/23/06
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Logos wrote:

<snip>

As a mild aside, the British have a word for people like you. It's
called "wally".

It denotes an overconfident naivety, a kind of blissful ignorance of
one's own inelegant behaviour.

~Iain

jgri...@scu.k12.ca.us

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Jun 23, 2006, 11:19:47 AM6/23/06
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Logos wrote:
> I have a problem employee on my hands.
>
> The other morning I was in my spacious office (best skyline view in the
> building!) finishing up my prayers. I raised my head, opened my eyes, and
> saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in the doorway. If I didn't know
> any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.
>
<snip>

First of all, you shouldn't be praying at work, it's annoying. It's
annoying when Moslems do it. It's annoying when Christians do it. It's
just annoying. If you feel compelled to do so and somebody asks, I
suggest you tell them you were "thinking" (It's not a lie, thinking is
actually involved in praying). It's none of their business, anyway.

There is no advantage to confronting a coworker. In fact, if your boss
sees that you have a problem with Tony, management's answer is to make
you work together (Oh, fun!). Then it's just a matter of which one
breaks first, quits or learns to get along. Remember, there is no "I"
in team and management doesn't give a damn... you're both replacable.

The Christian thing to do is to just be satisfied that Tony is going to
burn in Hell for eternity. It's unfortunate, but that's his choice and
you should be big enough to accept it. It's not like he's never heard
of Jesus, he's just gone with Darwin. It makes him feel better about
himself, somehow. You know, how people are.


JTG 6/23/06

Inez

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Jun 23, 2006, 11:39:59 AM6/23/06
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> The Christian thing to do is to just be satisfied that Tony is going to
> burn in Hell for eternity.

Actually, some Christians are nice people. Probably most of them.

jgri...@scu.k12.ca.us

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Jun 23, 2006, 1:22:24 PM6/23/06
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I didn't say they weren't.

Logos considering that Tony is going to burn in Hell doesn't make it
happen.

The human condition tends to find us self-absorbed in our own trials
and tribulations. So, we tend not to identify the suffering of others.
It takes a horrifying image to bring us out of ourselves and see that
Tony will suffer, is suffering, has suffered or, worst still, isn't
paying attention and life is passing him by. That's the means to
sympathy, understanding and genuine kindness, you know, being "nice".

It's not the destination that matters, it's the path.


JTG 6/23/06 later

Ye Old One

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Jun 23, 2006, 1:25:48 PM6/23/06
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:59:54 -0400, "Logos" <a...@asd.com> enriched
this group when s/he wrote:

>I have a problem employee on my hands.
>
>The other morning I was in my spacious office (best skyline view in the
>building!) finishing up my prayers. I raised my head, opened my eyes, and
>saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in the doorway. If I didn't know
>any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.
>

>"Can I help you, Tony?" I asked. Personally, I was never very keen on
>hiring the guy, basically doing it as a favor for a longtime business
>associate. Tony was the type of guy in the office who knew how to game the
>multicultural/sexual sensitivity policies of the company, as evidenced by
>his cubical, festooned as it was with faux drug paraphanalia, a half-burnt
>American flag, and, most offensively, a Darwin screensaver. My attempts to
>quash this grotesque display had in turn been quashed by the HR department,
>who had the nerve to insist I attend sensitivity training!
>
>And now here was Tony, probably having blown off the entire morning, holding
>his cup of chai, looking at me with barely concealed disdain.
>
>Finally he spoke in his weasely, smarmy voice. "What do you think you're
>doing?"
>

>"Praying. To G_d the Almighty. Not that you'd know anything about that."
>Tensions were running high.
>

So packed full of lies - I do hope your gods will be proud of you.

--
Bob.

Inez

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Jun 23, 2006, 1:33:40 PM6/23/06
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jgri...@scu.k12.ca.us wrote:
> Inez wrote:
> > > The Christian thing to do is to just be satisfied that Tony is going to
> > > burn in Hell for eternity.
> >
> > Actually, some Christians are nice people. Probably most of them.
>
> I didn't say they weren't.
>
> Logos considering that Tony is going to burn in Hell doesn't make it
> happen.

No, but being satisified that it will is not a kind way of thinking.

> The human condition tends to find us self-absorbed in our own trials
> and tribulations. So, we tend not to identify the suffering of others.
> It takes a horrifying image to bring us out of ourselves and see that
> Tony will suffer, is suffering, has suffered or, worst still, isn't
> paying attention and life is passing him by. That's the means to
> sympathy, understanding and genuine kindness, you know, being "nice".

Yes, but "sympathy" and "satisfaction that Tony will be burning in hell
for eternity" are more than a little contradictory in my mind.

Jack

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Jun 23, 2006, 2:03:20 PM6/23/06
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building!) finishing up reading the New York Science Times. I raised


my head, opened my eyes, and saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in
the doorway. If I didn't know
any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.

"Can I help you, Tony?" I asked. Personally, I was never very keen on
hiring the guy, basically doing it as a favor for a longtime business
associate. Tony was the type of guy in the office who knew how to game
the
multicultural/sexual sensitivity policies of the company, as evidenced
by

his cubical, festooned as it was with Christian paraphenalia, a
gigantic American flag, and, most offensively, a Passion of the Christ


screensaver. My attempts to
quash this grotesque display had in turn been quashed by the HR
department,
who had the nerve to insist I attend sensitivity training!

And now here was Tony, probably having blown off the entire morning,
holding

his cup of human blood, looking at me with barely concealed disdain.

Finally he spoke in his weasely, smarmy voice. "What do you think
you're
doing?"

"Studying. I'm reading the works of great scientists in the hopes that
I can one day understand the natural world as well as they do. Not


that you'd know anything about that." Tensions were running high.

"What a waste of time! Science is bunk. Now this guy was really
getting
on my nerves. You can insult me all you want, but my main method the
scientific method is off limits.

"Oh yea?" I shot back. "I suppose you worship G_d."

"That's right," he said in his weaseliest voice.

"Did you know that even Jesus himself recanted on his deathtree?"

Direct hit! I could sense his spine stiffening. "That's bull----!" he
expurgated.

"Yep, it's true. Truth hurts, doesn't it?"

"W-well," he started, trying to regain the offensive, "he was probably
going
senile at that point and didn't know what he was saying!"

"But if Jesus can be wrong, as you just permitted, then perhaps he can


be
wrong on other counts. If he had a lapse of judgement on his deathbed,
then

his entire life's work is no longer iron clad. It throws all Christian
teaching in doubt. The fact that the guy's teachings were basically
the spiritual forerunner to the KKK doesn't exactly help his case."

"But Christianity is a fact!"

"Riiiight...," this guy was sinking fast. "See that cup of human
blood in your
hand?"

He was really rattled now. He sensed a trap was looming, but walked
right
into it anyway. "Y-yes. I think so."

"If you're a Christian, you should have no problem believing that this
morning, a pastor through the Holy Spirit transmutated the wine of the
earth into the blood of Jesus Christ himself, and the bread from the
fields into the flesh of Christ, making you a cannibal. Purely through
magic."

"Get outta here!" he said, loosening his tie and running his forearm
over
his sweaty brow. "That could never happen!"

"Exactly! Yet that's precisely the same logic early Christians used
when he asserting the divinity of the Eucharist!"

BOOM!! He was finished. But, as they say, the HR department is the
last
refuge of a scoundrel. "You're threatening my belief system!" he
whined.
"Consider yourself under report!"

Tomorrow, I understand the HR department wants to meet with me.
Tomorrow

will be a showdown against Tony and his uniculturalist allies in HR,


the
result of which could establish a significant precedent in companies
across
the country.

Logos, see how utterly bullc*** and offensive that story was? (For any
one whose going to reply, I absolutlely don't think Jesus was like the
KKK - only the KKK thinks the Jesus was like the KKK. I'm just making
a point - Jesus, who was probably a real person, was by all accounts
very nice). It's pretty much the same story you told. Hopefully this
will clarify the stupidity of your story.

Pip R. Lagenta

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On 22 Jun 2006 20:20:06 -0700, "Inez" <savagem...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Cheezits wrote:
>> "Logos" <a...@asd.com> wrote:
>> [tale of weaselly Sensitive Newage Darwinist deleted]

>> > Tomorrow will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist
>> > allies in HR, the result of which could establish a significant
>> > precedent in companies across the country.
>>
>> Ooh! I can't wait to read all about it. Keep us posted, okay?
>>
>> I'll have a nice cup of chai tea all ready when you do.
>>
>> Sue
>> --
>
>You watch that little missy, that's a LIBERAL drink.

Nobody can drink any kind of tea anyway. There is a rock-solid crust
on that stuff.
>
--
內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,
Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta
�虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌

-- Pip R. Lagenta
President for Life
International Organization Of People Named Pip R. Lagenta
(If your name is Pip R. Lagenta, ask about our dues!)
<http://home.comcast.net/~galentripp/pip.html>
(For Email: I'm at home, not work.)

Pip R. Lagenta

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On 22 Jun 2006 20:23:32 -0700, "Inez" <savagem...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Logos wrote:
>> I have a problem employee on my hands.
><snip>
>
>> Tomorrow, I understand the HR department wants to meet with me. Tomorrow

>> will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist allies in HR, the
>> result of which could establish a significant precedent in companies across
>> the country.
>
>When a whole country full of your make believe friends turn against
>you, you've moved beyond pathetic into new uncharted territory.
>
>I'm hoping for a modern retelling of Franz Kafka's "The Trial" as a
>follow up, but that really is quite a bit of optimism.

Well, you know, Logos has already gotten through Kafka's
Metamorphosis. And I do *not* mean that he read it.

SRNissen

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Jun 23, 2006, 2:45:41 PM6/23/06
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Desertphile wrote:

> bul...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>> Logos wrote:
>
>>> I have a problem employee on my hands.
>
>> <snip>
>
>> So, what you're saying is that it's okay to lie in the name of your
>> god.
>
> His paper god, the Bible, says he is going to Hell. See Job 13:4-12
>
>> Boikat
>

Huh - when I tried to look it up on bible.com, it turned out that the
auto-complete feature could figure out what I was writing, chapter and
verse, merely from "Jo." I have apparently looked this up previously.

--
- SRNissen
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC

SRNissen

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Jun 23, 2006, 4:20:55 PM6/23/06
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You are wrong (stupid). You have been (evil) educated stupid. Four
corner time is like four corner world real effect, but suppressed by
evil teachings by not-four-corner sages world.

Josh Miles

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Jun 23, 2006, 4:25:44 PM6/23/06
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Bill Wayne wrote:
> Logos wrote:
>
> Hello, and welcome to the analysis. Here, we will analyze Logos's
> argument style and draw conclusions from it. This one provides an ideal
> model. Let's begin.
>
>> I have a problem employee on my hands.
>>
>> The other morning I was in my spacious office (best skyline view in the
>> building!) finishing up my prayers. I raised my head, opened my eyes, and
>> saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in the doorway. If I didn't know
>> any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.
>
> First, we can clearly see how he is trying to set himself up as an
> important person. This is shown by A) him saying he has employees
> (indicating that he has a high rank in his corporation), and B) he has
> a spacious office.
>
> Furthermore, he is insinuating that his religion led to his success.
> This is abnormal. Usually, he says this directly. Let's continue.

You do realize that this, like most everything Logos writes, is a
parody, right?

Bill Wayne

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Jun 23, 2006, 4:37:09 PM6/23/06
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After seeing certain other beliefs, like the Timecube and Scientology,
I have to be skeptical.

Bill

Ben Standeven

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Jun 23, 2006, 5:11:26 PM6/23/06
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Logos wrote:
[...]

> "What a waste of time! There is no G_d!" Now this guy was really getting
> on my nerves. You can insult me all you want, but my main man G_d is off
> limits.
>
> "Oh yea?" I shot back. "I suppose you worship Darwin."
>
> "That's right," he said in his weaseliest voice.
>
> "Did you know that even Darwin himself recanted on his deathbed?"

"No he didn't. You're thinking of G_d."

jgri...@scu.k12.ca.us

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Jun 23, 2006, 5:54:28 PM6/23/06
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Inez wrote:
> jgri...@scu.k12.ca.us wrote:
> > Inez wrote:
> > > > The Christian thing to do is to just be satisfied that Tony is going to
> > > > burn in Hell for eternity.
> > >
> > > Actually, some Christians are nice people. Probably most of them.
> >
> > I didn't say they weren't.
> >
> > Logos considering that Tony is going to burn in Hell doesn't make it
> > happen.
>
> No, but being satisified that it will is not a kind way of thinking.

But you're not thinking like a Christian. Christians know you can be a
complete asshole for your whole life and convert on your deathbed and
it's a clean slate. There's even some thought that you can convert
after you're dead. All in all, God can be merciful just when you were
counting on him not to be. So, satisfaction is something you better
have in your own head, because there ain't no eye for an eye in
Christ's Kingdom.

>
> > The human condition tends to find us self-absorbed in our own trials
> > and tribulations. So, we tend not to identify the suffering of others.
> > It takes a horrifying image to bring us out of ourselves and see that
> > Tony will suffer, is suffering, has suffered or, worst still, isn't
> > paying attention and life is passing him by. That's the means to
> > sympathy, understanding and genuine kindness, you know, being "nice".
>
> Yes, but "sympathy" and "satisfaction that Tony will be burning in hell
> for eternity" are more than a little contradictory in my mind.

People have issues. They work them out the best, they can. A little
reverse psychology at the right moment could save everyone years of
psychotherapy.


JTG 6/23/06

Ross Langerak

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"Marc" <mbu...@mail.usyd.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1151028456.9...@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

>
> Logos wrote:
> > I have a problem employee on my hands.
>
> Dare I say "Oh, Shut Up" first?
>
> Mr. Logos, if you would care to discuss what evolution
> is and why I accept it, please reply. Otherwise, don't.

The only way Logos can win an argument is if it happens in his own mind.
For Logos to win requires that his opponent be ignorant of the evidence.

Dave Oldridge

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Jun 23, 2006, 10:50:56 PM6/23/06
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"Logos" <a...@asd.com> wrote in
news:logos-fNqdncM4qaWG1...@adelphia.com:

> I have a problem employee on my hands.
>

> The other morning I was in my spacious office (best skyline view in
> the building!) finishing up my prayers. I raised my head, opened my
> eyes, and saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in the doorway. If
> I didn't know any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.
>

> "Can I help you, Tony?" I asked. Personally, I was never very keen
> on hiring the guy, basically doing it as a favor for a longtime
> business associate. Tony was the type of guy in the office who knew
> how to game the multicultural/sexual sensitivity policies of the
> company, as evidenced by his cubical, festooned as it was with faux
> drug paraphanalia, a half-burnt American flag, and, most offensively,
> a Darwin screensaver. My attempts to quash this grotesque display had
> in turn been quashed by the HR department, who had the nerve to insist
> I attend sensitivity training!
>
> And now here was Tony, probably having blown off the entire morning,
> holding his cup of chai, looking at me with barely concealed disdain.
>
> Finally he spoke in his weasely, smarmy voice. "What do you think
> you're doing?"
>
> "Praying. To G_d the Almighty. Not that you'd know anything about
> that." Tensions were running high.
>

> "What a waste of time! There is no G_d!" Now this guy was really
> getting on my nerves. You can insult me all you want, but my main man
> G_d is off limits.
>
> "Oh yea?" I shot back. "I suppose you worship Darwin."
>
> "That's right," he said in his weaseliest voice.
>
> "Did you know that even Darwin himself recanted on his deathbed?"
>

> Tomorrow, I understand the HR department wants to meet with me.
> Tomorrow will be a showdown against Tony and his multiculturalist
> allies in HR, the result of which could establish a significant
> precedent in companies across the country.

Personally, I think it would be a GOOD thing if they fired your sorry ass
right out the door. It MIGHT (though I realize it's very hard for this
to happen) teach you a lesson or two about how to evangelize.

But then you're probably not interested in actually evangelizing. With
you it's you lording it over everyone else by pretending falsely to be
God's spokesperson. I doubt you CAN pray to Him since you seem to be
unable to pray the basic prayer of repentance necessary to establish your
prayer credentials.

You don't repent your sins, you REPEAT them.

And yes, from OUR point of view, YOU are the "problem employee." You
represent yourself as representing the kingdom of heaven while doing the
devil's work.

--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

Pithecanthropus Erectus

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Jun 23, 2006, 11:09:26 PM6/23/06
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Logos wrote:

I heard the story from Tony's viewpoint:

Tony was auditing Logo's expense reports, and found some curious
entries. Logos, it seems was using the corporate card to tithe. He
took the church secretary on a few "business trips." A few donations to
Robert Tilton here and there.

Since he owed Logos a favor, the job paid okay but helped after the
layoff from his previous job with Arthur A. Anderson, he decided to
confront Logos and give the poor guy a chance to revise and correct the
expense reports before turning it in. He hated to see anyone get fired
without a chance to make things right.

Logos agreed to a meeting with him, even though Logos knew what was
going on. After calling the church secretary to let her know that they
were going to have to postpone the next business trip, he started
praying fervently for Tony to have an "accident" before anything became
public knowledge.

Tony waited at the door politely, respecting Logos' alone time. He
couldn't help but overhear Logos' prayer and decided that enough was enough.

He walked through the door and said "What the hell are you doing?

Logos, startled, looked up and appeared to be re-zipping his pants
(although Tony couldn't be completely sure.) "I am praying to the
almighty, although you wouldn't know anything about that."

Tony almost spilled the chai tea he had brought at Logos' request. He
could barely hold back his tears of laughter. "You are praying for God
to hurt me?"

"No, that would be a waste of time, because my God is a loving God. He
wouldn't smite you. I was praying for him to come into your life this
morning. But I can see I am dealing with some idiot Darwinist, and so I
could probably save my breath on that one, too."

"Be that as it may, I brought your expense reports so that you could
correct them and take off any expenses that aren't related to the
mission of our company. I would hate to see you fired for that."

"Is that some kind of threat, you damned, dirty atheist? Listen - are
you really a Darwinist? How can you believe something that has no logic
and is a tautology?"

"Well, Logos, I am an accountant. I do know about evolution because I
was paying attention in Biology 101, instead of trying to pick up the
girls and thinking about my band like you were. As to the specific
means of evolution, I am only learning bits and pieces from the
talkorigins.org website and so I can't really say if I am a 'darwinist'
or not. The understanding of evolution has advanced with leaps and
bounds since Darwin. Let's go over the expense reports and get this
cleared up. I am supposed to turn them in before noon in order for you
to get reimbursed."

"Listen, you scum." Logos sipped his tea. "I shouldn't have to worry
about someone who thinks that this tea could have assembled itself from
it's ingredients."

Tony chortled "You still think that Paley has any validity? That is one
of the stupidest strawmen still circulating!"

Logos looked confused, then hid his confusion with tears of rage. "Get
the hell out of my office, you fuckin' bean counter. I am Logos! I am
the top sales exec. in the company! They won't fire me! They'll fire
you for not fudging the expense reports like you're supposed to!" Logos
wiped the sweat from the brow and snorted to clear his nose as the spit
ran down his chin. He collapsed on his chair. "And you know what else?
It was me that set fire to the flag on your desk. How dare you
intolerant atheist shit pretend to be patriotic?"

Tony gathered his papers and rose; said "If that's the way you want it,
you leave me no choice but to turn in the expense reports as is."

Tony went back to his desk, sent the reports directly to the
reiumbursements desk with a note that he had allowed Logos a chance to
to correct the invalid expenses. He later saw the reimburser head to
the HR manager.

The next morning, he watched through the window as Logos was escorted
from the building by Security.


--
Freeper:

"We need to change the law and make it legal to hunt liberals with dogs. "

Me:

I understand you are being flippant, but you are coming across as stupid.

Freeper:

I wasn't being flippant. I mean it.

Bob Casanova

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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:25:44 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Josh Miles <n...@thanks.com>:

Ah, but does *Logos* know that?
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

Wakboth

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Jun 24, 2006, 3:08:15 AM6/24/06
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Josh Miles kirjoitti:

Probably so, but with creationists, you can never be quite sure.

-- Wakboth

Bill Hudson

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Dude, you're nothing but a four-corner thinker, and Scientology can
help you with that!

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Pithecanthropus Erectus

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nmp wrote:
> Op Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:09:26 -0500, schreef Pithecanthropus Erectus:
>
> [..]

>
>
>>Tony went back to his desk, sent the reports directly to the
>>reiumbursements desk with a note that he had allowed Logos a chance to
>>to correct the invalid expenses. He later saw the reimburser head to
>>the HR manager.
>>
>>The next morning, he watched through the window as Logos was escorted
>>from the building by Security.
>
>
> I liked this version better ;)
>

There are two sides to very story.

Watch for the REAL story from Sauron in a fut

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Peter

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Jun 24, 2006, 12:35:46 PM6/24/06
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Tiktaalik wrote:
> Logos wrote:
>snipped<

>most offensively, a Darwin screensaver. My attempts to
>snipped<
Cool. Where can I get that screensaver?
Peter

TCE

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Jun 24, 2006, 1:32:50 PM6/24/06
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Logos wrote:
> I have a problem employee on my hands.
>
> The other morning I was in my spacious office (best skyline view in the
> building!) finishing up my prayers. I raised my head, opened my eyes, and
> saw Tony from Accounts Payable standing in the doorway. If I didn't know
> any better, I'd have thought he was glaring at me.
>
> "Can I help you, Tony?" I asked. Personally, I was never very keen on
> hiring the guy, basically doing it as a favor for a longtime business
> associate. Tony was the type of guy in the office who knew how to game the
> multicultural/sexual sensitivity policies of the company, as evidenced by
> his cubical, festooned as it was with faux drug paraphanalia, a half-burnt
> American flag, and, most offensively, a Darwin screensaver. My attempts to

... And then fluffy bunny-kins hopped in, her little fluffy nose
twitching nervously in the air. "Those Darwinists beavers are causing
trouble again, the big poop heads". Herman the grouchy gnome signed
and shook his long white beard once more, "will they never learn?"
he said with a grin, "I know, let's go to and see Mrs. Lollypops in
the village. She's sure to have some jam buns and christian
lemonade!"...

---
Strange

Desertphile

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Jun 24, 2006, 5:19:32 PM6/24/06
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SRNissen wrote:

> Desertphile wrote:

> > bul...@bellsouth.net wrote:

> >> Logos wrote:

> >> <snip>

Or... could it have been SATAN?!

Desertphile

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Jun 24, 2006, 5:27:36 PM6/24/06
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For a mere US$410,000

Desertphile

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Jun 24, 2006, 5:29:09 PM6/24/06
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Peter wrote:

> Tiktaalik wrote:

At "Evo-Cheerleaders 'R' Us."

> Peter

Rowan Malin

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Jun 24, 2006, 10:16:05 PM6/24/06
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Errm... here, apparently:
<http://www.gruts.com/darwin/screensaver/index.php>

NAYYY

Cheers,
Rowan

Jim Lovejoy

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"Desertphile" <deser...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1151029620.0...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> bul...@bellsouth.net wrote:


>
>> Logos wrote:
>
>> > I have a problem employee on my hands.
>

>> <snip>
>
>> So, what you're saying is that it's okay to lie in the name of your
>> god.
>
> His paper god, the Bible, says he is going to Hell. See Job 13:4-12

There goes the neighborhood!


Thurisaz the Einherjer

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Jun 25, 2006, 12:06:59 AM6/25/06
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Bill Wayne:

> ...At this point, he is further dehumanizing the opposition. In addition,
> he is stereotyping the other side. If one person sees Darwin as a god
> (oops, g_d), then all of them must.
> This is clearly false. *I* worship Nyarlathotep...

Bah. Nyarlathotep. That loser.

Ia Ia Hastur! Hastur c'favak vulgtmm, vultagln, vultgmm! Ai Ai Hastur! *eg*

(Sorry couldn't resist. Wonder whether a fundie moron will use this exchange
to "prove beyond reasonable doubt" that we are really just saaataaanists?)

--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."

My personal judgment of monotheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus

Jim Lovejoy

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Jun 25, 2006, 12:16:32 AM6/25/06
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> I am a problem employee.

Fixed your first line for you.


Ernest Major

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Jun 25, 2006, 5:32:03 AM