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Codeb...@bigsecret.com

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Mar 21, 2005, 9:50:46 PM3/21/05
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The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
not even in their labs.

Evolution is a fraud.

Not-Easily-Duped

snex

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Mar 21, 2005, 9:59:20 PM3/21/05
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non-sequitur. thanks for playing.

Vic Sagerquist

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Mar 21, 2005, 10:18:13 PM3/21/05
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On 21 Mar 2005, dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

That's not even a half intelligent troll, dupe. You're losing your touch.

--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department

Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________

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shane

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Mar 21, 2005, 10:55:27 PM3/21/05
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Although the irony of the situation is that your strawman argument may
be almost taken as prima facie evidence that the very devolution has
actually happened.

Further point. - "We have not seen such a thing yet,
not even in their labs." - This is not a sentence that makes any sense -
unless you are actually saying that the devolved humans will have labs.
Yes we understand what you mean, but your inability to write plainly
does not bode well for your understanding of something as complex as
evolution.

--
shane

The truth will set you free.

Abner Hale

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Mar 21, 2005, 11:03:44 PM3/21/05
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You're an idiot.

Eros

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Mar 22, 2005, 12:36:15 AM3/22/05
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So, you would rather believe that an invisible, unknowable,
supernatural entity instantaneously "poofed" everything into existence,
out of nothing, 6000 years ago???

ROFLMAO! Not-Easily-Duped, my ass... you're just about as duped as you
can possibly get, Sparky!


EROS.
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Creationists: Transitional forms between idiots and morons.

Jenny6833A

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Mar 22, 2005, 1:19:55 AM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature ...

No one claims "nature" did it, whatever "nature" may be.

>... which found it easy ...

No one has suggested "easy."

>... to evolve a monkey into
> a human ...

No evolutionist thinks humans evolved from monkeys.

>... would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey ...

Were you human before you devolved into whatever you are now?

> ... before our very eyes.

That fast? What evidence do you have to offer?

Vic Sagerquist

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Mar 22, 2005, 1:01:42 AM3/22/05
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On 21 Mar 2005, shane dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

> Given that creationists generally claim that all (for example) dogs
> today are descended from a single pair of the dog kind at Noah's time
> (some admit there may have been three or so different dog kinds), why
> are we still in ignorance as to what this kind is, it should be so
> easy to breed back to it, and having one of the original kinds
> available would help on sorting out this whole 'kinds' business that
> is a constant embarrassment to the creationist world.
>
> Any creationists up to the challenge? I mean we are only talking 4000
> years of divergance, and that should be a breeze according to Not
> Easily Duped who says it would be easy to reverse a scenario that
> never even happened (humans do not come from monkeys - we share a
> common ancestor) covering tens of thousands of years of evolution. Or
> perhaps Not Easily Duped is mis-named.
>

Me wonders if Dupe has ever seen the movie "The Fly"...

JPG

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Mar 22, 2005, 3:50:52 AM3/22/05
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I find it difficult to believe that any sane person should display such
ignorance. Even your average fundy would make more sense than this. It just has
to be a parody.

JPG
aa #1919

Michelle Malkin

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Mar 22, 2005, 1:53:20 AM3/22/05
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"Woden" <wo...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9620EFCEE1FE...@69.28.186.121...
> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote in news:1111459846.754104.270160
> @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Are you back again, you phony baloney? Time to put my old
killfile back into action. You'll make such a nice juicy splash
landing in Lizzy B's innards again.
> >
> >
>
> And the really sad thing about this is that you are a product of the
> American educational system.
>
> --
> Woden
>
> "religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
> lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
> through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
>


shane

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Mar 21, 2005, 11:51:23 PM3/21/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:

Given that creationists generally claim that all (for example) dogs
today are descended from a single pair of the dog kind at Noah's time
(some admit there may have been three or so different dog kinds), why
are we still in ignorance as to what this kind is, it should be so easy
to breed back to it, and having one of the original kinds available
would help on sorting out this whole 'kinds' business that is a constant
embarrassment to the creationist world.

Any creationists up to the challenge? I mean we are only talking 4000
years of divergance, and that should be a breeze according to Not Easily
Duped who says it would be easy to reverse a scenario that never even
happened (humans do not come from monkeys - we share a common ancestor)
covering tens of thousands of years of evolution. Or perhaps Not Easily
Duped is mis-named.

--

Ron Baker, Pluralitas!

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Mar 22, 2005, 12:27:01 AM3/22/05
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<Codeb...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,

I see it when I read your post.

--
rb #2187

Richard Forrest

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Mar 22, 2005, 3:23:40 AM3/22/05
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In spite of years of research, the Discovery Institute has been unable
to create a woman from the rib of a man.

Creationism is a fraud.


RF

johac

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Mar 22, 2005, 1:30:54 AM3/22/05
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In article <1111459846.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:


What a dumb-bot!


>
> Not-Easily-Duped

I appears that you were.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense,
founded on the Christian religion..."

Joel Barlow, Treaty of Tripoli (1796)

Secular Fundamentalist

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Mar 22, 2005, 2:12:34 AM3/22/05
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You, sir, are living proof of de-evolution.

--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208

rj

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Mar 22, 2005, 2:02:32 AM3/22/05
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"Eros" <eros_tal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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What is most interesting is the fact that Xtians pick and choose what they
want to believe. Science is great as long as it supports their views.
Science comes out and disproves one of their allegations then they either
ignore it or attack it but never embrace it.

Fundies never cease to amaze me with their lies and broken logic. They
will admit that god made evolution, but they will reject it none the less.
I can't wait for the next batch of JWs. I am ready for them. I wish it
was then now. Next will be their claim that God made the fossils to throw
Darwin off or some similarly ridiculous claim. It is as if I am back in
grade school debating electicity and electronics to kids that think that
turning up the house thermostat to 99 will heat the house quicker.

rj


Woden

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Mar 21, 2005, 11:34:17 PM3/21/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote in news:1111459846.754104.270160
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into

And the really sad thing about this is that you are a product of the

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Mar 21, 2005, 11:48:05 PM3/21/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:

> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.

Reading your posting, we are seeing it right now.

--
Regards

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

Gary Bohn

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Mar 22, 2005, 2:53:45 PM3/22/05
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Nivlem <ml...@svn.net> wrote in
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> On 22 Mar 2005 18:36:20 GMT, Gary Bohn
> <gary...@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
>
>>shane <remarcs...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
>>news:PGM%d.271$FR3....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:

>>It also doesn't bode well for his ability to understand anything as
>>complex as putting on underwear.
>
> Hey, this is Hopelessly Duped we're talking about here. He's
> already demonstrated his inabilities. Repeatedly. If you cut
> off his head and sutured an eggplant to the stump, I doubt
> even he would notice.
>
>

Ah, sure he would. His hat wouldn't fit any more.

--
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Deprivation

Responsible for brain damage everywhere!

Gary Bohn

Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.

The Last Conformist

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Mar 22, 2005, 10:02:49 AM3/22/05
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Clearly, then, someone has put some considerable effort into duping you.

Dave

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Mar 22, 2005, 10:21:23 AM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey
> into a human would find easier to de-volve a human being
> into a monkey before our very eyes.
>

You sound like an ignorant 12 year old. Were you home-schooled?

Gary Bohn

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> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:

It also doesn't bode well for his ability to understand anything as


complex as putting on underwear.

--

Nivlem

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On 22 Mar 2005 18:36:20 GMT, Gary Bohn
<gary...@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:

>shane <remarcs...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
>news:PGM%d.271$FR3....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
>
>> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
>>> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
>>> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
>>> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
>>> not even in their labs.
>>>
>>> Evolution is a fraud.
>>>
>>> Not-Easily-Duped
>>>
>> Although the irony of the situation is that your strawman argument may
>> be almost taken as prima facie evidence that the very devolution has
>> actually happened.
>>
>> Further point. - "We have not seen such a thing yet,
>> not even in their labs." - This is not a sentence that makes any sense
>> - unless you are actually saying that the devolved humans will have
>> labs. Yes we understand what you mean, but your inability to write
>> plainly does not bode well for your understanding of something as
>> complex as evolution.
>>
>
>It also doesn't bode well for his ability to understand anything as
>complex as putting on underwear.

Hey, this is Hopelessly Duped we're talking about here. He's

Vulgaris Prime

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Mar 22, 2005, 3:37:26 PM3/22/05
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Wow... that makes no friggin' sense whatsoever. This is a first - I'm
practically rendered speechless by the sheer stupidity of that
statement. What, exactly, says that evolution would HAVE to not only
be an outside omni-force, but answer directly to your whims?

I pity you.

---
In nomine Homeris, et Bartis, et Spiritu Lisii, I shall not submit.

Frank J

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Mar 22, 2005, 6:49:39 PM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes.

Easier, possibly, but not "before our very eyes."

> We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

OK, now what is your alternative? Is it one of the mutually
contradictory creationist accounts that have less going for them than
the one that you are incredulous about? Or have you come up with
something original?

Al

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Mar 22, 2005, 9:11:10 AM3/22/05
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You sure show its easy to de-volve your brain into a industrial
strength slickness.

Budikka666

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Mar 22, 2005, 5:39:18 PM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,

> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

It's kinda early to call it yet, but I'd say that what we have here is
the leading candidate for Clueless Asshole of the Year.

Budikka

Dana Tweedy

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Mar 22, 2005, 1:52:04 PM3/22/05
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<er...@swva.net> wrote in message
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> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
>> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
>> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
>> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
>> not even in their labs.
>>
>> Evolution is a fraud.
>>
>> Not-Easily-Duped
> Is there a name for something that is like a strawman argument, only
> stupider?

I propose we call it a "Dupie".


DJT

Ash

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Mar 22, 2005, 6:10:36 AM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped
>
It's at times like this I wish I could get some sort of parody checker
for my newsreader. I feel 90% sure that this is satire, but there is
just a nagging doubt, a voice in hte back of my mind saying "some people
really are this dumb"

Gary Bohn

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Mar 22, 2005, 1:43:32 PM3/22/05
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"Richard Forrest" <ric...@plesiosaur.com> wrote in
news:1111479820.5...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

My wife loves ribs. If she could she would eat them all he time. My wife
loves me and I am a man. My wife particularily loves it(and me) when I
make ribs on the BBQ. Therefore my wife was made from a man's rib.

stew dean

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Mar 22, 2005, 6:07:45 AM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.

Er - why? Seeing biological evolution in a lab on the scale you're
talking about would require a big lab (about the size of a planet) and
a good amount of time (a few million years for a start).

> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

Not easily educated as well by the looks of it.

Stew Dean

unrestra...@hotmail.com

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Mar 22, 2005, 1:38:00 PM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

What do you mean by "de-volve"?
Ignoring your anthropomorphizing for the moment, why would it be easier
for nature to evolve from species X to Y, rather than Y to X?
Why would you expect a 20 million year process to happen in the lab?
Do you *really think that organisms, and not species, evolve?
Do you have a native tongue?
Do you use "The Little Golden Book of God" to help you understand
Genesis?

Kermit

RHertz

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Mar 22, 2005, 12:05:56 PM3/22/05
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<Codeb...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1111459846.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped
>

Everybody else has chimed in, so I guess I will too...

"Not easily duped", eh? If that is so, ask yourself when you go to church,
(I am assuming you go to church) why they want so much money and why they
demand such loyalty? Have you ever asked yourself if THEY are the ones
doing the "duping".

At least Evolution doesn't ask you to tithe 10% of your income.

bg1...@apexmail.com

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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

To Mr. "Not Easily Educated":

Nothing "devolves". If humans changed into monkeys again, it
would still be evolution. But since you didn't see it, you
think (more accurately, you don't think) it didn't happen.

Xian creationist: "I didn't see it, so it didn't happen."
Sharia islamist: "Four honorable muslims didn't see the rape,
so it didn't happen. Kill her for adultery."

And you wonder why atheists view you as having the same
ignorant mentalities.


Bob Dog

wilc...@gmail.com

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Mar 22, 2005, 8:22:34 AM3/22/05
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Abner Hale wrote:

> Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> > The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> > a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> > before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> > not even in their labs.
> >
> > Evolution is a fraud.
> >
> > Not-Easily-Duped
>
> You're an idiot.

Craig T

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Mar 22, 2005, 12:36:47 PM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> We have not seen such a thing yet

Avoiding all the possible cheap shots, what about the hobbit? If flores
man is a new species (as opposed to a microcephalic dwarf as some have
proposed) it reminds us that evolution goes with what works best at the
time, rather than some march toward a goal. Men can evolve into smaller
brained men, crustaceans can evolve into parasites, lungs can become
swim bladders. Calling one adaptation evolution and another "Devo"
is just a human bias.

I loved Kurt Vonnegut's "Galapagos", where the last surviving
humans are stranded on the Galapagos Islands and evolve into seal-like
creatures. Like other species, we only will stay in this form for as
long as our adaptations meet the needs of our niche. Flores man seems
to have been painted into a corner where big brains weren't as
helpful as just needing less food.

As for Codebreaker, here's the latest from the Bible code: If you
read the book of John backwards, it says "I buried Paul".

TCS

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On 22 Mar 2005 06:14:48 -0800, er...@swva.net <er...@swva.net> wrote:

>Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
>> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
>> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
>> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
>> not even in their labs.
>>
>> Evolution is a fraud.
>>
>> Not-Easily-Duped
>Is there a name for something that is like a strawman argument, only
>stupider?

preschool religious conditioning.

Ash

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Mar 22, 2005, 12:01:13 PM3/22/05
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I think the question should be "were you schooled"

gpa...@bayou.com

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Mar 22, 2005, 11:49:15 AM3/22/05
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Abner Hale wrote:

> Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> > The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> > a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> > before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> > not even in their labs.
> >
> > Evolution is a fraud.
> >
> > Not-Easily-Duped
>
> You're an idiot.

May be, but look at the way he has nurtured and concretize his idiotsy
until he has achieved equality with this world's master idiots. In my
opinion, he does not have to take second place to any of this world's
most accomplished idiots. It may be that all idiots are born equal, but
some strive to develop that seed of idiotsy with which they were
endowed, and cultivate it until they become blooming idiots.

Andy Groves

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Mar 22, 2005, 2:37:49 PM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes.......

...and then teach them to post to talk.origins. netTV accounts
optional.

Andy

Bob Casanova

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Mar 22, 2005, 9:30:52 PM3/22/05
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On 21 Mar 2005 18:50:46 -0800, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by Codeb...@bigsecret.com:

>The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
>a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
>before our very eyes.

Your post as evidence: Q.E.D.

<snip>
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

Gary Bohn

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Mar 22, 2005, 1:45:31 PM3/22/05
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:LYKdnaWdffH...@megapath.net:

> In our last episode <d1ouf3$n2o$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Ash pirouetted
> gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

> Easily-Duped really *is this dumb...
>

You just can't make this shit up.

Iain

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Mar 22, 2005, 5:20:39 AM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes.

No it wouldn't, because our present condition lends itself to survival
in our present environment and circumstances.

> We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.

See above.


~Iain

nygdan_mo...@yahoo.com

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Mar 22, 2005, 2:18:34 PM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
Why would it be 'easier'? It would not be beneficial for a human to
start devovling back to 'monkey grade'. You wouldn't be able to
function in human society, infact, you'd probably be destroyed
purposefully.

ire...@gmail.com

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Mar 22, 2005, 4:21:20 PM3/22/05
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wow. Two fundamental misunderstandings in one paragraph.

1) people did not evolve from "monkeys" We and monkeys evolved from
the same ancestors.
2) you came from your grandfather. Can you change back into your
grandfather?

satyr

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On 21 Mar 2005 18:50:46 -0800, Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:

>The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
>a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey

If one devolved into you, a monkey should be a piece of cake.


--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab

Mark K. Bilbo

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Mar 22, 2005, 10:26:55 PM3/22/05
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In our last episode <Xns962181CA2...@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn

pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in
> news:LYKdnaWdffH...@megapath.net:
>
>> In our last episode <d1ouf3$n2o$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Ash pirouetted
>> gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>>
>>> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
>>>> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into a human
>>>> would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey before our
>>>> very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet, not even in their labs.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution is a fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Not-Easily-Duped
>>>>
>>> It's at times like this I wish I could get some sort of parody checker
>>> for my newsreader. I feel 90% sure that this is satire, but there is
>>> just a nagging doubt, a voice in hte back of my mind saying "some
>>> people really are this dumb"
>>
>> Easily-Duped really *is this dumb...
>>
>>
> You just can't make this shit up.

Parody has become superfluous...

--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
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Ash

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Mar 22, 2005, 12:00:51 PM3/22/05
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The Last Conformist wrote:
> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
>
>>The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
>>a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
>>before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
>>not even in their labs.
>>
>>Evolution is a fraud.
>>
>>Not-Easily-Duped
>
>
>
> Clearly, then, someone has put some considerable effort into duping you.
>
I don't think it requires much effort

Robert Weldon

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Mar 22, 2005, 2:27:10 PM3/22/05
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<Codeb...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1111459846.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

"they tell us that we lost our tails
evolving up from little snails
i say it's all just wind in sails
are we not men? we are DEVO!"


Pithecanthropus Erectus

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Mar 22, 2005, 6:50:11 PM3/22/05
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That's a pretty impressive statement coming from someone that has waded
through the "teachings" of Kent Hovind and come out grinning.

But it is kinda early to tell. Mc..... has been posting a few of his
Johanssen inanities recently and could be building to another stupid bet.


Richard Smol

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Mar 22, 2005, 7:11:23 AM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.

Do you really expect anyone to take this seriously?

RS

Mark K. Bilbo

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Mar 22, 2005, 8:10:55 AM3/22/05
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In our last episode <d1ouf3$n2o$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Ash pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:

Easily-Duped really *is this dumb...

--

er...@swva.net

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Mar 22, 2005, 9:14:48 AM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

Ian Braidwood

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Mar 22, 2005, 2:10:33 PM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

You signature is wrong, it should read Duped Already.

(-: Ian :-)

Eric Root

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Mar 22, 2005, 10:08:37 PM3/22/05
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I think the question should be "were you schooled, or only/even
housebroken?"

Jez

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Mar 22, 2005, 7:17:20 AM3/22/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.

Yes we have ! I just read the lines above, which were obviously typed by
a de-volved human.

--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn


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Virgil

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Mar 22, 2005, 3:59:13 PM3/22/05
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In article <6dt041da160ks46ea...@4ax.com>,
Nivlem <ml...@svn.net> wrote:

> On 22 Mar 2005 18:36:20 GMT, Gary Bohn
> <gary...@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
>
> >shane <remarcs...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
> >news:PGM%d.271$FR3....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:

> >
> >> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> >>> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> >>> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> >>> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> >>> not even in their labs.
> >>>

> >>> Evolution is a fraud.
> >>>
> >>> Not-Easily-Duped
> >>>

> >> Although the irony of the situation is that your strawman argument may
> >> be almost taken as prima facie evidence that the very devolution has
> >> actually happened.
> >>
> >> Further point. - "We have not seen such a thing yet,
> >> not even in their labs." - This is not a sentence that makes any sense
> >> - unless you are actually saying that the devolved humans will have
> >> labs. Yes we understand what you mean, but your inability to write
> >> plainly does not bode well for your understanding of something as
> >> complex as evolution.
> >>
> >
> >It also doesn't bode well for his ability to understand anything as
> >complex as putting on underwear.
>
> Hey, this is Hopelessly Duped we're talking about here. He's
> already demonstrated his inabilities. Repeatedly. If you cut
> off his head and sutured an eggplant to the stump, I doubt
> even he would notice.

Maybe then he could qualify for his GED.

MooJoo

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Mar 22, 2005, 11:33:22 PM3/22/05
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In article <1111459846.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:

> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> not even in their labs.
>
> Evolution is a fraud.
>
> Not-Easily-Duped

Damn! <slaps forehead in amazement>.

100 years of scientific research into the theory of evolution laid to
waste is just a few well chosen words by one of mankind's most
brilliant, yet strangely unknown, minds.

To paraphrase a line from a movie I saw once: There you have it folks.
Authentic, fundamentalist gibberish.

Richard Forrest

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Mar 23, 2005, 2:58:25 AM3/23/05
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Gary Bohn wrote:
> "Richard Forrest" <ric...@plesiosaur.com> wrote in
> news:1111479820.5...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

>
> > Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> >> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> >> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> >> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> >> not even in their labs.
> >>
> >> Evolution is a fraud.
> >>
> >> Not-Easily-Duped
> >
> > In spite of years of research, the Discovery Institute has been
unable
> > to create a woman from the rib of a man.
> >
> > Creationism is a fraud.
> >
> >
> > RF
> >
> >
>
> My wife loves ribs. If she could she would eat them all he time. My
wife
> loves me and I am a man. My wife particularily loves it(and me) when
I
> make ribs on the BBQ. Therefore my wife was made from a man's rib.

>
> --
> apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
> Deprivation
>
> Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
>
> Gary Bohn
>
> Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
> emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.


I tried to make someone by offering them a rib. It didn't work. Perhaps
I need to improve my chat-up technique.

RF

cub...@aol.com

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Mar 23, 2005, 5:01:30 AM3/23/05
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Was it (by some chance) a *plesiosaur* rib you offered them?

Richard Forrest

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Mar 23, 2005, 5:14:28 AM3/23/05
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Surely that would seduce any woman? Who could resist?
Ah well, it's back to: "If I told you you had a beautiful body would
you hold it against me."

RF

Robibnikoff

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Mar 23, 2005, 8:12:08 AM3/23/05
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"Richard Forrest" <ric...@plesiosaur.com> wrote in message
news:1111564705....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

snip


>
> I tried to make someone by offering them a rib. It didn't work. Perhaps
> I need to improve my chat-up technique.

My husband makes some great ribs, but the only thing I've seen them become
is eaten.
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557


Sam

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Mar 23, 2005, 4:19:07 PM3/23/05
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> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
>
>>The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
>>a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
>>before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
>>not even in their labs.
>>
>>Evolution is a fraud.
>>
>>Not-Easily-Duped
>

evolution is not an active process such as you have been told, it is the
description of a goings-on scientifically observed. like the color red,
which is just what we call a certain range of light wavelengths.

--
Sam

Codeb...@bigsecret.com

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Mar 23, 2005, 9:23:21 PM3/23/05
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Why not?

>
> RS

TCS

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Mar 23, 2005, 9:36:24 PM3/23/05
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> Why not?

It's idiotic.

And if you're asking about de-evolution, you need look no further than your
local church at the braying idiots, babbling to an imaginary god.

Without civilization, you would never had survived childhood, being too stupid
to make it on your own. Unfortuneately, you have a good chance to pass your
genes along and are a perfect example of de-evolution.

Ash

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Mar 24, 2005, 5:56:24 AM3/24/05
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Because it is fuckwittery of the highest order

Pithecanthropus Erectus

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Mar 24, 2005, 8:46:56 AM3/24/05
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Robibnikoff wrote:

> "Richard Forrest" <ric...@plesiosaur.com> wrote in message
> news:1111564705....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> snip
>
>>I tried to make someone by offering them a rib. It didn't work. Perhaps
>>I need to improve my chat-up technique.
>
>
> My husband makes some great ribs, but the only thing I've seen them become
> is eaten.

Listen, babe, you are what you eat.

--
"God Forbid we should actually test anything."

Creationism

"The curses of Deuteronomy 28 will plague America until we return to God
(Ps 9:17). Wealth and military might are not substitutes for God-given
character and blessing. Freedom comes, not from democracy, but Jesus
Christ. The outline below lists our wars & keys to victory. May God lead
us in the strategic and tactical prayers that are required!"

Capitol Hill Action Network, 2005

Iain

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Mar 24, 2005, 8:48:38 AM3/24/05
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Blazing Saddles?

~Iain

goozlefotz

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Mar 24, 2005, 12:14:22 PM3/24/05
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How do you know that devolution has not occurred? Depending on the
circumstances, the process could go either way.

Dave

Bob Casanova

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Mar 24, 2005, 5:21:02 PM3/24/05
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On 24 Mar 2005 09:14:22 -0800, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by "goozlefotz" <dgra...@ieee.org>:

>How do you know that devolution has not occurred? Depending on the
>circumstances, the process could go either way.

No matter which way it occurs (assuming you're thinking of
"more complex" vs. "less complex"), the correct term is
"evolution". Strictly speaking (and IMHO), "devolution"
would require an exact retracing of the steps along a
particular evolutionary path *at the genetic level*; as I'm
sure you realize, the odds against this really *are* huge.

--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

goozlefotz

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Mar 25, 2005, 4:19:50 PM3/25/05
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Well, I made that word up. The idea is that if a human and a monkey
were in the jungle and all the food was in the tops of the trees, the
monkey would be better adapted to survive. I consider your response to
be somewhere between hair-splitting and question-begging.

Dave

Gary Bohn

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Mar 25, 2005, 6:24:22 PM3/25/05
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"Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3ad886F...@individual.net:

> "Richard Forrest" <ric...@plesiosaur.com> wrote in message
> news:1111564705....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> snip
>>
>> I tried to make someone by offering them a rib. It didn't work.
>> Perhaps I need to improve my chat-up technique.
>
> My husband makes some great ribs, but the only thing I've seen them
> become is eaten.

And how did you reward your husband for cooking up those ribs? Hmmm?

Gary Bohn

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Mar 25, 2005, 6:23:07 PM3/25/05
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"Richard Forrest" <ric...@plesiosaur.com> wrote in
news:1111572868.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

<snip>


>
> Surely that would seduce any woman? Who could resist?
> Ah well, it's back to: "If I told you you had a beautiful body would
> you hold it against me."
>
> RF
>
>

Yup, an oldie but a goodie. That one works every time. It never fails to
cause bruising in tender places.

DrMatix

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Mar 25, 2005, 9:26:32 PM3/25/05
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In article <1111631001.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:

Because you are not attacking evolution. You are attacking your
misunderstanding of evolution. Evolution is not directed. Populations
evolve to fit the environment. There is not such thing as de-volve. What
would de-volve even mean? To become less adapted to the environment?

You misunderstand evolution. Then you attack your misunderstanding. No
one is going to take your straw man argument seriously.

DrMatix

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Mar 25, 2005, 9:29:25 PM3/25/05
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In article <Xns96218173...@130.133.1.4>,
Gary Bohn <gary...@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:

> "Richard Forrest" <ric...@plesiosaur.com> wrote in

> news:1111479820.5...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

>
> > Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> >> The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
> >> a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
> >> before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
> >> not even in their labs.
> >>
> >> Evolution is a fraud.
> >>

> >> Not-Easily-Duped
> >
> > In spite of years of research, the Discovery Institute has been unable
> > to create a woman from the rib of a man.
> >
> > Creationism is a fraud.
> >
> >
> > RF
> >
> >
>
> My wife loves ribs. If she could she would eat them all he time. My wife
> loves me and I am a man. My wife particularily loves it(and me) when I
> make ribs on the BBQ. Therefore my wife was made from a man's rib.

You married a cannibal!

Sam

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Mar 25, 2005, 9:38:23 PM3/25/05
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>>>Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>The same nature which found it easy to evolve a monkey into
>>>>a human would find easier to de-volve a human being into a monkey
>>>>before our very eyes. We have not seen such a thing yet,
>>>>not even in their labs.
>>>>

what is an evolution 'lab'?
--
Sam

wcb

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Mar 25, 2005, 9:42:22 PM3/25/05
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goozlefotz wrote:

Many monkeys DO live in the trees and survive very
well where man has a hard time, like many parts
of the Amazon, where food is sometimes hard to find.
Unless you are a leaf eating howler monkey.
Some smaller monkeys do well eating insects as a large
part of their diet. Different ecological niches.

--

When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!

Cheerful Charlie

Bob Casanova

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On 25 Mar 2005 13:19:50 -0800, the following appeared in

talk.origins, posted by "goozlefotz" <dgra...@ieee.org>:

>Well, I made that word up.

Not really; it's been around quite a while.

> The idea is that if a human and a monkey
>were in the jungle and all the food was in the tops of the trees, the
>monkey would be better adapted to survive.

How about if the human ate the monkey? Seriously, evolution
is about differential reproductive success in a given
environment. As such, it only really applies within species,
not between them. Given your scenario, it's quite possible
that the human group would become extinct.

> I consider your response to
>be somewhere between hair-splitting and question-begging.

Consider it whatever you wish; it's pretty much the standard
response whenever the subject comes up. But since the idea
of "devolution" recurs frequently in these discussions, it's
always best to make sure that the concept isn't
misunderstood.

Mark VandeWettering

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["Followup-To:" header set to talk.origins.]

Because it reflects your personal intellectual shortcomings, not
shortcomings of the theory of evolution.

Mark

>> RS

Bob Casanova

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Mar 26, 2005, 5:50:00 PM3/26/05
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 02:38:23 GMT, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by Sam <srca...@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com>:

I believe the main one is generally referred to as "Earth".

Gary Bohn

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evileniusabroad

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Mar 29, 2005, 10:32:13 AM3/29/05
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote in message news:<1111631001.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...


Quality control. IQs bigger than their shoe size. Education.
information.

Not being an oxgen starved moron with strong arms (you must have
pulled yourself out of the bucket somehow), etc, etc, etc.

Stanley Friesen

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Mar 30, 2005, 9:23:38 AM3/30/05
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"goozlefotz" <dgra...@ieee.org> wrote:

>How do you know that devolution has not occurred?

Because there is no such thing. Evolution has *no* *intrinsic*
*direction*, so there is no "backwards", ergo "devolution" is nonsense.

> Depending on the
>circumstances, the process could go either way.
>

Yes, and it is called evolution "both" ways (there are actually many
directions, not just two).
--
The peace of God be with you.

Stanley Friesen

Stanley Friesen

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Mar 30, 2005, 9:25:55 AM3/30/05
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"goozlefotz" <dgra...@ieee.org> wrote:

>Well, I made that word up.


You did? Then how has it appeared in many movies and other media
sources?

> The idea is that if a human and a monkey
>were in the jungle and all the food was in the tops of the trees, the
>monkey would be better adapted to survive.

Well, of course. But so what? Scientists do *not* assume that humans
are the ultimate in evolution.

goozlefotz

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Mar 30, 2005, 3:37:13 PM3/30/05
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Ah! I see that your role on this board is to nit-pick everyone else to
death without contributing anything of your own. I'll remember that.

Dave

Steve Schaffner

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Mar 30, 2005, 4:38:14 PM3/30/05
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"goozlefotz" <dgra...@ieee.org> writes:

> Ah! I see that your role on this board is to nit-pick everyone else to
> death without contributing anything of your own. I'll remember that.

Who are you replying to? Your description could fit any number of
people.

--
Steve Schaffner s...@broad.mit.edu
Immediate assurance is an excellent sign of probable lack of
insight into the topic. Josiah Royce

Bob Casanova

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Mar 30, 2005, 4:59:01 PM3/30/05
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On 30 Mar 2005 12:37:13 -0800, the following appeared in

talk.origins, posted by "goozlefotz" <dgra...@ieee.org>:

>Ah! I see that your role on this board is to nit-pick everyone else to


>death without contributing anything of your own. I'll remember that.

Please include enough of the post to which you're
responding, properly attributed, so that anyone reading your
post will know who and what you responded to. Assuming your
post was in response to Stanley's clarification of your
misconception, it sounded perfectly reasonable to me. Of
course, IIRC you also accused me of "nit-picking" when I
pointed out exactly the same thing (that there's no such
thing as "devolution"; that evolution is essentially a
one-way process) a week or so ago, with reasons and (again,
IIRC) examples. If you're going to discuss any topic in
science, it helps tremendously if you use terminology that
everyone understands.

shane

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Mar 30, 2005, 6:24:30 PM3/30/05
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goozlefotz wrote:

Without criticism there is no impetus for improvement. So if any of us
wish to limit the criticism, we need to improve the quality of our posts.

--
shane

The truth will set you free.

goozlefotz

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Mar 30, 2005, 9:58:56 PM3/30/05
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Yes, Bob. Whatever you say, Bob. I was responding to Stanley, but it
fits you just as well.

Bob Casanova

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Mar 31, 2005, 4:58:12 PM3/31/05
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On 30 Mar 2005 18:58:56 -0800, the following appeared in

talk.origins, posted by "goozlefotz" <dgra...@ieee.org>:

>Yes, Bob. Whatever you say, Bob. I was responding to Stanley, but it


>fits you just as well.

Still don't know how to include context and attributions, or
how to conduct a rational conversation? Pity; some people
seem incapable of learning, although I would have assumed
better from an IEEE member. HANL.

goozlefotz

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Mar 31, 2005, 9:16:21 PM3/31/05
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Bob:

Still don't know how to include context and attributions, or
how to conduct a rational conversation? Pity; some people
seem incapable of learning, although I would have assumed
better from an IEEE member. HANL.

For the record, I am a Life Senior Member of the IEEE. That and a buck
and a half will get you a cup of coffee.

Dave

AC

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Mar 31, 2005, 9:43:50 PM3/31/05
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On 31 Mar 2005 18:16:21 -0800,

But apparently not a newsreader that can post in anything resembling the
accepted standard.

--
mightym...@hotmail.com

goozlefotz

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Apr 1, 2005, 11:01:16 AM4/1/05
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AC:

But apparently not a newsreader that can post in anything resembling
the
accepted standard.

-----------------

Accepted by who? On what board? Another nit-picker......

AC

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Apr 1, 2005, 1:04:02 PM4/1/05
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On 1 Apr 2005 08:01:16 -0800,

The convention on Usenet for well over a decade is the use of the ">" when
quoting, as you can see with this message. The adoption of a convention, as
I'm sure a former member of IEEE can well agree, is useful in ease of
communication.

Why would you wish to post in a form that is so wildly different?

--
mightym...@hotmail.com

goozlefotz

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Apr 1, 2005, 3:18:33 PM4/1/05
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AC:

>The convention on Usenet for well over a decade is the use of the ">"
when
>quoting, as you can see with this message. The adoption of a
convention, as
>I'm sure a former member of IEEE can well agree, is useful in ease of
>communication.
>
>Why would you wish to post in a form that is so wildly different?


--
Is THAT what you are fussing about? OK, I'll do that.

Dave

ps: Not former member. I was going to quit when I retired, but was
elected a "Life Senior Member" which mostly means that I don't have to
pay the high dues anymore. I did quit the American Physical Society to
avoid the dues. DG

goozlefotz

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Apr 3, 2005, 6:15:47 PM4/3/05
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shane:

>Without criticism there is no impetus for improvement. So if any of us

>wish to limit the criticism, we need to improve the quality of our
posts.

(Note ">"s)

Nitpicking is the antithesis of valid criticism. It introduces
irrelevancies as a substitute for communication. Some folks are so
enamored with it that they think they are contributing when they do it.
Do I communicate my ideas? If so, then complaining about some
peripheral issue (say, spelling) is nitpicking.

Dave

Greg G.

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Apr 3, 2005, 6:35:32 PM4/3/05
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goozlefotz wrote:
> shane:
> >Without criticism there is no impetus for improvement. So if any of
us
>
> >wish to limit the criticism, we need to improve the quality of our
> posts.
>
> (Note ">"s)
>
Now you've done it! You are using ">" instead of "> ". This is
unforgivable. No soup for you! 8o)

--
Greg G.

A family of Bournes live along a highway, each house exactly one mile
apart. If you drive by at 60 mph, there's one Bourne every minute.

shane

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Apr 3, 2005, 7:25:03 PM4/3/05
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goozlefotz wrote:

I went back and re-read the lead up posts to your original nit-picking
comment. As the nit-pick was not to do with spelling, or even a
peripheral issue, it is strange that you would pick them as examples, or
perhaps i am nit-picking. ISTM that they were trying to clarify your
position, and sometimes it requires clarifications of even simple
spelling mistakes to do so. For example i read in another thread
yesterday a request to clarify if a poster meant "of" instead of "or" as
both would have been grammatically correct, but the sense of what was
being presented changed radically. To the person who made the original
post the question was probably nit-picking because they knew what they
meant. And just as a personal aside, i prefer my posts to be as nit-free
as possible, and what is a peripheral issue to me may be the central
issue to someone else.

goozlefotz

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shane Apr 3, 4:25 pm show options

goozlefotz wrote:
> shane:


> posts.


> (Note ">"s)


> Dave

I don't want to nit-pick about whether or not you were nit-picking....
Originally, I said something about "devolution" and was lectured about
evolution going either way, etc. then I said "I made that up" and was
lectured about the history of the word "devolution".

Note that now I use "> " vice ">". TaDaaaa

Dave G

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There *are* standards. Please refer to the news.* hierarchy for
specifics, particularly news.newusers.

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