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Glenn
Sep 17, 2021, 2:50:10 PM9/17/21
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From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
"As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
"As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
Wolffan
Sep 17, 2021, 4:20:10 PM9/17/21
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On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
(in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
honest than you are.
(in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
honest than you are.
Glenn
Sep 17, 2021, 4:35:10 PM9/17/21
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You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a chance in understanding.
Wolffan
Sep 17, 2021, 5:45:09 PM9/17/21
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On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
(in article<312736f5-230f-492b...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> > On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> > (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
> > >
> > > "As with other infectious viruses,
> > > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
> > > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
> > >
> > > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
>
> > https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
> > to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
> >
> > your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
> > honest than you are.
>
> The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2.
described in the paper.
Of course, you’re too stupid to see that.
> Being smarter and
> more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
does not follow.
> more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
>
> You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most
> viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as
> it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a
> chance in understanding.
nope. i feel no obligation to do anything at all with creationist cretins
> You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most
> viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as
> it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a
> chance in understanding.
except laugh at them.
Glenn
Sep 17, 2021, 7:25:10 PM9/17/21
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On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> (in article<312736f5-230f-492b...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> > > On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> > > (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
> > > >
> > > > "As with other infectious viruses,
> > > > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
> > > > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
> > > >
> > > > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
> >
> > > https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
> > > to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
> > >
> > > your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
> > > honest than you are.
> >
> > The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2.
> it talks about viruses in general. covid19 is a virus. it behaves the way
> described in the paper.
So you say, not the paper. I gave you a clue below: "Most viruses". So if you can read for comprehension and are reasonably intelligent, you'd realize that some viruses do not kill cells.
> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> (in article<312736f5-230f-492b...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> > > On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> > > (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
> > > >
> > > > "As with other infectious viruses,
> > > > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
> > > > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
> > > >
> > > > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
> >
> > > https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
> > > to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
> > >
> > > your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
> > > honest than you are.
> >
> > The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2.
> it talks about viruses in general. covid19 is a virus. it behaves the way
> described in the paper.
>
> Of course, you’re too stupid to see that.
Oh, I see that all right. I posted this especially for you, being likely to take the bait. I had considered pasting jillery's face with it, until I saw you on a roll today.
> Of course, you’re too stupid to see that.
> > Being smarter and
> > more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
> does not follow.
You've clearly done none of that.
> >
> > You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most
> > viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as
> > it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a
> > chance in understanding.
> nope. i feel no obligation to do anything at all with creationist cretins
> except laugh at them.
That's your problem, not mine. Clearly you're completely ignorant of the respective science, and ignorant of who your attitude and behavior hurts.
> > You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most
> > viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as
> > it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a
> > chance in understanding.
> nope. i feel no obligation to do anything at all with creationist cretins
> except laugh at them.
*Some* viruses kill cells. Others do not. COV-2 process of replication is by "budding" through cell membrane, not "bursting" cells.
jillery
Sep 17, 2021, 7:40:10 PM9/17/21
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
>On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
>> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
>> (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
>> > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
>> >
>> > "As with other infectious viruses,
>> > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
>> > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
I acknowledge I posted the above statement.
I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
particles.
However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
normal functions, and die prematurely.
Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
You can stop your mindless trolling now.
>> > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
>
>> https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
>> to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
>>
>> your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
>> honest than you are.
>
>The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2. Being smarter and more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
>You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a chance in understanding.
--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.
wrote:
>On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
>> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
>> (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
>> > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
>> >
>> > "As with other infectious viruses,
>> > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
>> > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
particles.
However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
normal functions, and die prematurely.
Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
You can stop your mindless trolling now.
>> > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
>
>> https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
>> to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
>>
>> your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
>> honest than you are.
>
>The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2. Being smarter and more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
>You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a chance in understanding.
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.
Glenn
Sep 17, 2021, 8:05:10 PM9/17/21
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On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> >> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> >> (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
> >> > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
> >> >
> >> > "As with other infectious viruses,
> >> > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
> >> > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
> I acknowledge I posted the above statement.
>
> I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
>
> I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
> coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
> particles.
>
> However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
> is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
> normal functions, and die prematurely.
>
> Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
> the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
> damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
>
> You can stop your mindless trolling now.
The only trolling here is you allowing an implication that there was a larger claim made, as well as claiming I am "mindlessly trolling".
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> >> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> >> (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
> >> > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
> >> >
> >> > "As with other infectious viruses,
> >> > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
> >> > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
> I acknowledge I posted the above statement.
>
> I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
>
> I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
> coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
> particles.
>
> However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
> is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
> normal functions, and die prematurely.
>
> Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
> the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
> damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
>
> You can stop your mindless trolling now.
You aren't much different than Wolffan.
Apparently you think it acceptable to make more claims without a shred of backup, right after you made a big boo boo and got caught.
Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post in s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried? Hmm. Honesty is another trait Wolffan invoked. You would not have left others with false ideas about COVID. But of course, this is all "mindless", huh.
Wolffan
Sep 17, 2021, 9:10:10 PM9/17/21
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On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
(in article<11a6c12a-1af7-4e69...@googlegroups.com>):
> Clearly you feel superior in intellect to me and
> honest,
yep
> honest,
> and if you were you'd know by now that you need to correct your error
> of interpreting an old article to fit COV-2, and if you were not familiar
> with the subject, to have done at least a little research, and retracted your
> claim.
> You've clearly done none of that.
no error
> of interpreting an old article to fit COV-2, and if you were not familiar
> with the subject, to have done at least a little research, and retracted your
> claim.
> You've clearly done none of that.
>
> > >
> > > You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most
> > > viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell"
> > > as
> > > it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a
> > > chance in understanding.
>
> > nope. i feel no obligation to do anything at all with creationist cretins
> > except laugh at them.
>
> That's your problem, not mine. Clearly you're completely ignorant of the
> respective science, and ignorant of who your attitude and behavior hurts.
>
> *Some* viruses kill cells. Others do not. COV-2 process of replication is by
> "budding" through cell membrane, not "bursting" cells.
still kills cells. it’s a virus. that’s what they do.
> > >
> > > You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most
> > > viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell"
> > > as
> > > it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a
> > > chance in understanding.
>
> > nope. i feel no obligation to do anything at all with creationist cretins
> > except laugh at them.
>
> That's your problem, not mine. Clearly you're completely ignorant of the
> respective science, and ignorant of who your attitude and behavior hurts.
>
> *Some* viruses kill cells. Others do not. COV-2 process of replication is by
> "budding" through cell membrane, not "bursting" cells.
Wolffan
Sep 17, 2021, 9:15:09 PM9/17/21
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On 2021 Sep 17, jillery wrote
(in article<809akgdtr8bhlpodj...@4ax.com>):
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Glenn<GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> > > On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> > > (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
> > > >
> > > > "As with other infectious viruses,
> > > > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
> > > > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
>
> I acknowledge I posted the above statement.
>
> I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
covcid still kills cells. it's a virus. that’s what they do.
(in article<809akgdtr8bhlpodj...@4ax.com>):
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Glenn<GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> > > On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> > > (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
> > > >
> > > > "As with other infectious viruses,
> > > > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
> > > > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
>
> I acknowledge I posted the above statement.
>
> I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
>
>
> I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
> coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
> particles.
>
> However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
> is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
> normal functions, and die prematurely.
>
> Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
> the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
> damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
>
> You can stop your mindless trolling now.
he never will.
>
> I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
> coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
> particles.
>
> However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
> is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
> normal functions, and die prematurely.
>
> Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
> the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
> damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
>
> You can stop your mindless trolling now.
André G. Isaak
Sep 17, 2021, 9:15:10 PM9/17/21
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On 2021-09-17 17:21, Glenn wrote:
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
>> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
>> (in article<312736f5-230f-492b...@googlegroups.com>):
>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
>>>> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
>>>> (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
>>>>> From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
>>>>>
>>>>> "As with other infectious viruses,
>>>>> CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
>>>>> newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
>>>>>
>>>>> Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
>>>
>>>> https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
>>>> to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
>>>>
>>>> your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
>>>> honest than you are.
>>>
>>> The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2.
>
>> it talks about viruses in general. covid19 is a virus. it behaves the way
>> described in the paper.
>
> So you say, not the paper. I gave you a clue below: "Most viruses". So if you can read for comprehension and are reasonably intelligent, you'd realize that some viruses do not kill cells.
Pretty much all viruses ultimately kill their host cells. Not all do so
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
>> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
>> (in article<312736f5-230f-492b...@googlegroups.com>):
>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
>>>> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
>>>> (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
>>>>> From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
>>>>>
>>>>> "As with other infectious viruses,
>>>>> CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
>>>>> newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
>>>>>
>>>>> Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
>>>
>>>> https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
>>>> to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
>>>>
>>>> your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
>>>> honest than you are.
>>>
>>> The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2.
>
>> it talks about viruses in general. covid19 is a virus. it behaves the way
>> described in the paper.
>
> So you say, not the paper. I gave you a clue below: "Most viruses". So if you can read for comprehension and are reasonably intelligent, you'd realize that some viruses do not kill cells.
by triggering apoptosis.
Perhaps you should learn what 'apoptosis' means.
André
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Wolffan
Sep 17, 2021, 9:15:10 PM9/17/21
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On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
(in article<3312ad11-2ac6-4ad8...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
> > > > On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
> > > > (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
> > > > >
> > > > > "As with other infectious viruses,
> > > > > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
> > > > > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
> > I acknowledge I posted the above statement.
> >
> > I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
> >
> > I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
> > coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
> > particles.
> >
> > However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
> > is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
> > normal functions, and die prematurely.
> >
> > Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
> > the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
> > damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
> >
> > You can stop your mindless trolling now.
>
> The only trolling here is you allowing an implication that there was a larger
> claim made, as well as claiming I am "mindlessly trolling".
>
>
> You aren't much different than Wolffan.
goodie
>
> You aren't much different than Wolffan.
>
>
> Apparently you think it acceptable to make more claims without a shred of
> backup, right after you made a big boo boo and got caught.
nah. you’re just too stupid to know what’s what.
>
> Apparently you think it acceptable to make more claims without a shred of
> backup, right after you made a big boo boo and got caught.
jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 12:00:10 AM9/18/21
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 17:01:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
transplanted that troll to T.O.
> allowing an implication that there was a larger claim made,
Both you and the peter claimed exactly that. If you deny it, then
your spamming about CoV-2 is yet more of your mindless noise.
>as well as claiming I am "mindlessly trolling".
Trolling is mindless by definition.
>You aren't much different than Wolffan.
You aren't much different than all the other willfully stupid
pseudoskeptics which make T.O. a Hellhole.
>Apparently you think it acceptable to make more claims without a shred of backup,
Your talking about that image you see in the mirror.
> right after you made a big boo boo and got caught.
Yes, I posted an erroneous statement. I acknowledged and corrected
it. That's what grownups do. You might learn how to do it someday,
perhaps before Christ's Second Coming.
>Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post in s.b.p.,
You have posted much mindless crap in SBP. Which one do you allude?
>yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>respond to them so often.
You say that like it's a Bad Thing (c). Yes, I respond to lots of
posts, in contrast to your many willfully stupid replies.
>It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried?
As long as you and other mindless trolls are around, no post can
expect to stay buried.
>Hmm. Honesty is another trait Wolffan invoked. You would not have left others with false ideas about COVID. But of course, this is all "mindless", huh.
Since you asked, yes. But assuming for argument's sake all your
asinine allusions are correct, exactly what do you think is so
important about how CoV-2 spreads copies of itself?
>> >> > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
>> >
>> >> https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
>> >> to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
>> >>
>> >> your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
>> >> honest than you are.
>> >
>> >The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2. Being smarter and more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
>> >You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a chance in understanding.
And while you're at it, what does CoV-2's date of origin have to do
with anything you posted, or with any point you think you're making?
wrote:
>On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
>> >> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
>> >> (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
>> >> > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
>> >> >
>> >> > "As with other infectious viruses,
>> >> > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
>> >> > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
>> I acknowledge I posted the above statement.
>>
>> I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
>>
>> I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
>> coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
>> particles.
>>
>> However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
>> is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
>> normal functions, and die prematurely.
>>
>> Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
>> the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
>> damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
>>
>> You can stop your mindless trolling now.
>
>The only trolling here is you
Sez the poster who created and fed an off-topic troll in SBP, and
>On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
>> >> On 2021 Sep 17, Glenn wrote
>> >> (in article<9a7d1796-a7c5-4af4...@googlegroups.com>):
>> >> > From the recent s.b.p. thread of the same name, jillery proclaimed;
>> >> >
>> >> > "As with other infectious viruses,
>> >> > CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
>> >> > newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells. "
>> I acknowledge I posted the above statement.
>>
>> I acknowledge that statement is technically incorrect.
>>
>> I have recently learned that unlike other infectious viruses,
>> coronaviruses, which include CoV-2, instead cause cells to bud virus
>> particles.
>>
>> However, the larger claim, that CoV-2 doesn't directly damage cells,
>> is also technically incorrect. Infected cells don't perform their
>> normal functions, and die prematurely.
>>
>> Also, CoV-2 enters cells through the ACE2 receptor, which appears on
>> the cells of many organs. Once CoV-2 enters the bloodstream through
>> damagaed lungs, it infects and damages those organs as well.
>>
>> You can stop your mindless trolling now.
>
>The only trolling here is you
transplanted that troll to T.O.
> allowing an implication that there was a larger claim made,
your spamming about CoV-2 is yet more of your mindless noise.
>as well as claiming I am "mindlessly trolling".
>You aren't much different than Wolffan.
pseudoskeptics which make T.O. a Hellhole.
>Apparently you think it acceptable to make more claims without a shred of backup,
> right after you made a big boo boo and got caught.
it. That's what grownups do. You might learn how to do it someday,
perhaps before Christ's Second Coming.
>Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post in s.b.p.,
>yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>respond to them so often.
posts, in contrast to your many willfully stupid replies.
>It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried?
expect to stay buried.
>Hmm. Honesty is another trait Wolffan invoked. You would not have left others with false ideas about COVID. But of course, this is all "mindless", huh.
asinine allusions are correct, exactly what do you think is so
important about how CoV-2 spreads copies of itself?
>> >> > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely fictional.
>> >
>> >> https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577 appears
>> >> to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
>> >>
>> >> your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and more
>> >> honest than you are.
>> >
>> >The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2. Being smarter and more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
>> >You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell" as it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may have a chance in understanding.
with anything you posted, or with any point you think you're making?
Glenn
Sep 18, 2021, 12:00:10 AM9/18/21
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I said nothing more than that. But if you agree with jillery's claim, you should correct her since she now says it is technically incorrect.
Glenn
Sep 18, 2021, 12:10:10 AM9/18/21
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Supporting your claims seem not to be among your skills.
jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 12:10:10 AM9/18/21
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
So "some viruses do not kill cells" is yet more of your mindless
noise. Good to know.
noise. Good to know.
jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 12:30:10 AM9/18/21
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 17:01:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
>Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post in s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried? Hmm.
Since you asked, my post which included the quote you cited, the one
which has your knappies in a twist, was a reply to Eric, who replied
to your strange bedfellow the peter, who replied to Oxyaena. Neither
you nor your comments were even mentioned. Perhaps that's too hard for
you to believe. Don't you just hate it when facts spoil your mindless
trolls?
wrote:
>Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post in s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried? Hmm.
which has your knappies in a twist, was a reply to Eric, who replied
to your strange bedfellow the peter, who replied to Oxyaena. Neither
you nor your comments were even mentioned. Perhaps that's too hard for
you to believe. Don't you just hate it when facts spoil your mindless
trolls?
*Hemidactylus*
Sep 18, 2021, 12:40:09 AM9/18/21
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jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 17:01:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post
>> in s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>> respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried? Hmm.
>
>
> Since you asked, my post which included the quote you cited, the one
> which has your knappies in a twist, was a reply to Eric, who replied
> to your strange bedfellow the peter, who replied to Oxyaena. Neither
> you nor your comments were even mentioned. Perhaps that's too hard for
> you to believe. Don't you just hate it when facts spoil your mindless
> trolls?
>
Aren’t you encouraging his prurient interests? I ignore the stinking turd
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 17:01:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post
>> in s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>> respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried? Hmm.
>
>
> Since you asked, my post which included the quote you cited, the one
> which has your knappies in a twist, was a reply to Eric, who replied
> to your strange bedfellow the peter, who replied to Oxyaena. Neither
> you nor your comments were even mentioned. Perhaps that's too hard for
> you to believe. Don't you just hate it when facts spoil your mindless
> trolls?
>
pile.
André G. Isaak
Sep 18, 2021, 1:15:09 AM9/18/21
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jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 3:25:10 AM9/18/21
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interests, and he doesn't say what they are. My interest, whether
purulent or otherwise, is to refute his accusations. You're welcome.
jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 3:30:10 AM9/18/21
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*Hemidactylus*
Sep 18, 2021, 8:50:10 AM9/18/21
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jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 23:37:03 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>
>> jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 17:01:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post
>>>> in s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>>>> respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried? Hmm.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you asked, my post which included the quote you cited, the one
>>> which has your knappies in a twist, was a reply to Eric, who replied
>>> to your strange bedfellow the peter, who replied to Oxyaena. Neither
>>> you nor your comments were even mentioned. Perhaps that's too hard for
>>> you to believe. Don't you just hate it when facts spoil your mindless
>>> trolls?
>>>
>> Aren’t you encouraging his prurient interests? I ignore the stinking turd
>> pile.
>
>
> Since you asked, IDK. I don't presume to know Glenn's prurient
> interests, and he doesn't say what they are. My interest, whether
> purulent or otherwise, is to refute his accusations. You're welcome.
>
You and Ron O mindlessly contribute to the poopocalypse here.
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 23:37:03 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>
>> jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 17:01:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post
>>>> in s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>>>> respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get buried? Hmm.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you asked, my post which included the quote you cited, the one
>>> which has your knappies in a twist, was a reply to Eric, who replied
>>> to your strange bedfellow the peter, who replied to Oxyaena. Neither
>>> you nor your comments were even mentioned. Perhaps that's too hard for
>>> you to believe. Don't you just hate it when facts spoil your mindless
>>> trolls?
>>>
>> Aren’t you encouraging his prurient interests? I ignore the stinking turd
>> pile.
>
>
> Since you asked, IDK. I don't presume to know Glenn's prurient
> interests, and he doesn't say what they are. My interest, whether
> purulent or otherwise, is to refute his accusations. You're welcome.
>
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/15/roomba-robot-vacuum-poopocalypse-facebook-post
jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 10:35:10 AM9/18/21
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 07:48:27 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
Your expressed opinion above is exactly the kind of baseless,
mindless, pointless criticism which in fact feeds pseudoskeptics like
Glenn. Even if you ignored replying to Glenn directly, your opinion
is based on a false equivalence, that his willfully stupid made-up
crap is the same smear as the evidence I post of his made-up crap.
If pseudoskeptics like Glenn have a prurient interest, it would be to
read posters like you mindlessly, baselessly, pointlessly, criticize
posters who criticize pseudoskeptics, and by so doing not only
passively enable the pseudoskeptics' "poopocalypse", but actively
engage in their smear campaign.
I would put you back in the bozo-bin, but you never left it.
mindless, pointless criticism which in fact feeds pseudoskeptics like
Glenn. Even if you ignored replying to Glenn directly, your opinion
is based on a false equivalence, that his willfully stupid made-up
crap is the same smear as the evidence I post of his made-up crap.
If pseudoskeptics like Glenn have a prurient interest, it would be to
read posters like you mindlessly, baselessly, pointlessly, criticize
posters who criticize pseudoskeptics, and by so doing not only
passively enable the pseudoskeptics' "poopocalypse", but actively
engage in their smear campaign.
I would put you back in the bozo-bin, but you never left it.
*Hemidactylus*
Sep 18, 2021, 1:35:10 PM9/18/21
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the same or do the robotic Roomba spread. I like that metaphor. It hereby
replaces the Energizer bunny.
jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 1:50:10 PM9/18/21
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:30:49 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
So you deny your own poop droppings and robotic midwifery. Quelle
surprise.
surprise.
*Hemidactylus*
Sep 18, 2021, 1:55:10 PM9/18/21
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jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 3:45:10 PM9/18/21
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:52:47 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
Yes, both of which you are at least as guilty as me, while by you own
admission you completely ignore Glenn's direct contribution. Not sure
how you figure that's a strategy designed to mitigate the actual
problem.
admission you completely ignore Glenn's direct contribution. Not sure
how you figure that's a strategy designed to mitigate the actual
problem.
Wolffan
Sep 18, 2021, 4:00:10 PM9/18/21
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On 2021 Sep 18, Glenn wrote
(in article<ace7d581-42ab-415c...@googlegroups.com>):
covid19 does in fact kill cells. youi’re an idiot.
(in article<ace7d581-42ab-415c...@googlegroups.com>):
jillery
Sep 18, 2021, 4:40:11 PM9/18/21
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 15:58:51 -0400, Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com>
wrote:
Correct, regardless of the specific mechanism. That's the only point
worth discussing here, despite post after post after cross-post of
nonsense non-sequiturs and asinine ad-hominems from pseudoskeptics and
their enablers. It's as if a disturbance in The Force has infected
both village elders and village idiots, to make them ape the good
DrDr.
>youi’re an idiot.
And proud of it.
>> Supporting your claims seem not to be among your skills.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post in
>> > > s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>> > > respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get
>> > > buried? Hmm. Honesty is another trait Wolffan invoked. You would not have
>> > > left others with false ideas about COVID. But of course, this is all
>> > > "mindless", huh.
>> > >
>> > > > > > > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely
>> > > > > > > fictional.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577
>> > > > > > appears
>> > > > > > to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and
>> > > > > > more
>> > > > > > honest than you are.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2. Being smarter
>> > > > > and more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
>> > > > > You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most
>> > > > > viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell"
>> > > > > as it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may
>> > > > > have a chance in understanding.
>> > > > --
>
wrote:
worth discussing here, despite post after post after cross-post of
nonsense non-sequiturs and asinine ad-hominems from pseudoskeptics and
their enablers. It's as if a disturbance in The Force has infected
both village elders and village idiots, to make them ape the good
DrDr.
>youi’re an idiot.
And proud of it.
>> Supporting your claims seem not to be among your skills.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Of course, as you have before, could claim that you didn't see my post in
>> > > s.b.p., yet you seem to read many, if not most, of my posts, since you
>> > > respond to them so often. It couldn't be that you hoped it would just get
>> > > buried? Hmm. Honesty is another trait Wolffan invoked. You would not have
>> > > left others with false ideas about COVID. But of course, this is all
>> > > "mindless", huh.
>> > >
>> > > > > > > Pick a number between 1 and 10 ranging between true and entirely
>> > > > > > > fictional.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.577
>> > > > > > appears
>> > > > > > to agree with jillery, so I’d go with 2 or even 1.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > your problem, glenn, old boy, is that most people are both smarter and
>> > > > > > more
>> > > > > > honest than you are.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The paper dates to October 1999, and no mention of COV-2. Being smarter
>> > > > > and more honest than I, you'll tell us when COV-2 appeared.
>> > > > > You will of course also feel obligated to translate "infection by most
>> > > > > viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell"
>> > > > > as it relates to COV-2 into simple words idiot cretins like myself may
>> > > > > have a chance in understanding.
>> > > > --
>
Glenn
Sep 19, 2021, 10:40:10 PM9/19/21
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COV-2 is known to reproduce by a process called "budding", which does not kill the cell, at least not while the virus is releasing newly catched viruses out of the cell.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should learn what 'apoptosis' means.
> >>
> > Perhaps you should learn to read. "infection by most viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell. "
> >
> > I said nothing more than that. But if you agree with jillery's claim, you should correct her since she now says it is technically incorrect.
jillery's "correction" is claiming that COV-2 do doesn't lyse, but "buds'. jillery has said nothing about killing cells in order to reproduce.
> >> Perhaps you should learn what 'apoptosis' means.
> >>
> > Perhaps you should learn to read. "infection by most viruses triggers apoptosis or programmed cell death of the infected cell. "
> >
> > I said nothing more than that. But if you agree with jillery's claim, you should correct her since she now says it is technically incorrect.
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0485-9
There is only one instance in that paper than can be said to address virus reproduction:
"the diminished pro-apoptotic activity of SARS-CoV-2 ORF3a is probably associated with reduced apoptosis-mediated antiviral defence in infected cells. These properties probably confer certain advantages for SARS-CoV-2 in that infection can be relatively mild or even asymptomatic during early stages, thus allowing the virus to spread more widely."
Andre, Andre. COV-2 does not kill cells to reproduce, either by lysis or programmed cell death. It does not triggers apoptosis in order to release the
newly formed viruses.
Don't listen to either Wolffan or jillery about such things. And I have not ever claimed or implied that I believe the COVID virus to be "harmless by itself'. So maybe you shouldn't listen to yourself either.
Glenn
Sep 19, 2021, 10:55:10 PM9/19/21
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jillery
Sep 20, 2021, 4:25:10 AM9/20/21
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:39:41 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
Cite whatever you think makes your opinions on "such things" better
than those of either jillery or Wolffan.
>And I have not ever claimed or implied that I believe the COVID virus to be "harmless by itself'. So maybe you shouldn't listen to yourself either.
**********************************************
Subject: Re: Vaccination
Message-ID: <11a6c12a-1af7-4e69...@googlegroups.com>
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:21:26 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
>So you say, not the paper. I gave you a clue below: "Most viruses". So if you can read for comprehension and are reasonably intelligent, you'd realize that some viruses do not kill cells.
***********************************************
Once again, jillery challenges you to specify what *is* your point.
Your failure to do so suggests you're just posting your usual mindless
noise for the sake of it.
wrote:
than those of either jillery or Wolffan.
>And I have not ever claimed or implied that I believe the COVID virus to be "harmless by itself'. So maybe you shouldn't listen to yourself either.
Subject: Re: Vaccination
Message-ID: <11a6c12a-1af7-4e69...@googlegroups.com>
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:21:26 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
>So you say, not the paper. I gave you a clue below: "Most viruses". So if you can read for comprehension and are reasonably intelligent, you'd realize that some viruses do not kill cells.
Once again, jillery challenges you to specify what *is* your point.
Your failure to do so suggests you're just posting your usual mindless
noise for the sake of it.
jillery
Sep 20, 2021, 4:30:10 AM9/20/21
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:52:55 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
Close enough, considering the source.
>No reason to talk about virus reproduction.
So now you want to talk about virus reproduction.
>God it.
???
Once again, I challenge you to specify what *is* your point.
>No reason to talk about virus reproduction.
>God it.
???
Once again, I challenge you to specify what *is* your point.
Your failure to do so suggests you're just posting your usual mindless
noise for the sake of it.
noise for the sake of it.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Sep 20, 2021, 12:35:09 PM9/20/21
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> Your failure to do so suggests you're just posting your usual mindless
> noise for the sake of it.
--
jillery
Sep 20, 2021, 3:05:09 PM9/20/21
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>> Your failure to do so suggests you're just posting your usual mindless
>> noise for the sake of it.
--
Glenn
Sep 21, 2021, 3:05:09 PM9/21/21
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COV-2 does not trigger apoptosis aka cell death in order to release the newly formed viruses. That is what is obvious.
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