Evolution Timeline
Arthur Hu
Note that this shows it's not just the theory of
evolution that is in question, but EVERYTHING that
happened more than 6,000 years ago.
Any creationists willing to assign the "correct"
dates on any of these disputed events, and the
evidence supporting it? Why is it that I can pull
a reliable consensus date from the evolutionists,
off the internet, but none from the creationists?
http://www.leconsulting.com/arthurhu/index/evol.htm
Evolution time line time before present
-------------------------------
no observable evidence of anything before this time
10^-34 sec universe 10^-33 cm in size, 10 ^32 deg
10^-5 formation of protons and neutrons from quarks
1 sec electrons
3 min helium nuclei
300,000 yr helium hydrogen atoms
10M first galaxies
1B first stars, quasars galaxies
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15-20B big bang creation - hubble constant, red shift
15B farthest Quasars observable from ground
15B farthest observed galaxy - Hubble red shift
12B farthest cluster of galaxies
10B oldest stars in Milky Way
7B oldest observable galaxies from ground
4.6B Earth solidifes
4.5B rock from mars - radio
4.5B Precambrian - radio, strata
4.6B earth, meteors, solar system and sun - radio, star model
4.4B moon crust - radio
4.3B Earth forms layers atmosphere
4.0B Bombardment by planetesimals stops
3.9B 15 hour day, moon 4x size, sun 75% bright
3.8B Earth crust solidifies, oceans form
3.8B Fe3O4 Magnetite ferrous Banded Iron
formations begin to be formed by bacteria.
3.6B oldest US rocks - radiodate
3.5B first bacteria fossils - radiodate
3.5B Photosynthesis
2.4B Rise in oxygen stop uraninites, starts iron
2.2B Earth is iceball down to 11 deg of equator
1.7B Bottom of Grand Canyon laid down
1.5B Multicellular organisms
1B youngest stars in Milky Way
1B pikes peak rock radio
640M Large soft organisms - radio, strata
600M glacial age
544M Phanerozoic / Paleozoic Era
540M Cambrian - explosion of hard body animals,
trilobite fossils
520M Pikaia worm with stiff back cord
500 Vertebrates - fish
470 oaklahoma bromide trilobites
470 jawless fish, no front fin Pteraspis
440 1st great extinction
435 ice age
430 coated algae live on land
420 water scorpion
420 Millipedes 1st land animals
410M Silurian - jawed fish
400M flying insects burke
400M all major fish groups burke scary fishes
380 Cherirolepis oldest ray fin in lake burke
375 lungfish with lungs, lobe fins burke
fin structure similar to modern human
375 Eastmanosteus jawed fish burke
375 Bothriolepis first common freshwater fish burke
375 Appalacian mountains
375 Sharks
375 fern trees proto vonifers burke
370 2nd great extinction
410-360 end devonian, low oxygen inoceans killing most fish burke
360 land animals with limbs appear
360 early armoured fish no jaw extinct burke
350 Amphibians
350 Ferns - rooted plants
310 Reptiles live out of water
300M longest ice age
300M winged insects
2-300M pangea, dinosaurs emerged
255M Permian greatest extinction of all time
trilobites died
85% of plants animals die
ray fin fishes survive
250M Top layer of Grand canyon
245M Mesozoic Era
230M Roaches Termites
228M Euroaptor 1st dinosaur
225M Modern ferns Bees
210M early mammals
200M Pangea breaks apart
200M Rock dating limit, dating gap
200M Crocodiles, Mammals
150M ice age cycle time
145M Archaepteryx
140M Apto(bronto)sauus
140M Stegosaurus
136M Kangaroos
130M Flowering plants
100M Cranes
100M fossil sturgeon
100M N cascades meets n america burke
95M Ammonite pre nautilus
70M Tyranasaurus
6-70M Rocky Mountains form
65M Yucatan meteor strike
65M Cenozoic era - modern life, continents
65M Great dinosaur extinction
end of marine reptiles, ammonites
60M Rats Mice Squirrels
56M Carnivora - leads to cats, dogs
45-50 freshwater herring Knightia most common fish fossil
40M Cascades erupt
40M earliest link to primates
37M cats appear
35M Grand Canyon river is on plain
28M Koalas
20M Chimpanzee Hominids
20M Start to cut Grand Canyon
18M-6m E wash basalt lava
6M Columbia River Plateau
5.5M Australopithecus in Africa
5M-50K Neandertal found in Africa?
4.5-6M men diverge from apes (DNA)
4.4M earliest manlike
4.4M 1994 ethiopia human-like teeth
4.4M Ardipithecus ramidus apelike hominid
3.9-3M Australopithecus afarensis "Lucy"
3.8M Tanzania homonid footprints walking
3.2M 1970's Lucy skull
2.8M Leaky 1973 skull
2.7M Lucy splits into africanus, aethipicus, homo?
2.5M enters current ice age
2.5M stone tools Homo Habilis pre-human
2.5M Genus homo found
2.3M Andromeda Galaxy image
1.8M olduvai gorge ash, early man, radio
1.8M ice at poles, ice age starts
1.8M-100K Homo Erectus
1.7M First Homo ergaster found out of Africa
1.6M earliest evidence of homo erectus fire
1.5M Hand axe
1.5M Leakey finds Erectus, Habilis, Australopithecus @same time
1.5M Human exodus from Africa to Europe Asia (Last Neaderthal)
1M Homo erectus fire
700k ice ages begin
600k Zinjanthropus 1961
500K Java Man (epic of man)
500K Neanderthal and modern man diverge
400K Chellean man
400K Peking Man 4/5 modern brain size
350K Simple symbolic thought / art
300K Oldest ice core data
250K fire widespread
240K Small Magellanic Cloud image
200K Transition Homo Erectus - HSapiens
200K arrow heads, harpoons, bows arrows, skin scrapers for clothing
200K Africans split from other humans
200K Mitochondrial Eve (Last Neanderthal)
180K Neanderthal emerges
160K Vladivostock ice core
130K "pathfinder" found on way out of Africa
120K-0 Homo sapiens leave Africa
110K Euro/Mongoloid split from Africans
100K Potassium Argon dating to billions yr
100K Symbolic art blossoms
100K Diameter of Milky Way
100K Last Homo Erectus "Java" man
80K Blombos middle stone age cave
75K Toba Eruption - ice age
75K Humans fall from 100,000 to 1,000
60K Australian aborigines - oldest living culture
traveled by boat. Sea Level 250 feet below present
55K Oldest rock painting Australia
50K Oldest boat painting Australia
50-100K Homo sapiens
50K Limit of Carbon dating, dating gap.
Any living thing with less C14 is older than 50K yrs.
50K Oldest rocks on Mt St. Helens
47K Neanderthal mammoth tooth carving
45K people bury their dead
45K Japan Lake algae C14 dating
41K NE Asians split from Caucasians
40K Hamster / Mouse dating Middle East
40K Cro-Magnon Culture, less nomadic
40K Humans found siberia N China
40K NativeAm Asian gene clock diverge
40K Brazil charcoal
40K greenland ice core layers
40K human art, paintings
35K rock paintings Tanzania THRace 14
35K First Mt St. Helens Eruptions
32K ivory horse, oldest animal carving
29K C14 + Tree ring dating
27K Last known Neandertal remains
27K Oldest woven cloth
25K Human pop 100,000
25K Brazil cave paintings
25k seas start to lower for bering bridge
25k bone needles
20K Huon Pine Tasmania (oldest tree)
20K Ice age warms towards present - 3
20k saber tooth cat la brea burke
15k wolf domesticated in Asia
14k meadowcroft pa site dates
14k southmost glacier in wa state
14k Montana ice dams flood e wash
13K bering land bridge
12K SeaTac airport ground sloth burke
12K Mesolithic nomadic hunter gather (Stone Age)
12K Mongolians cross into N America
12K goats domesticated for milk
12K coral C14 calibration
11K Mastodons large mammals extinct
10-12K Near east agriculture
10K Oldest sandals found in Oregon
10K Neolithic middle east revolution
10K End of last ice age - 3
10K Mesopotamia tokens for accounting
10K tree ring history
10K oldest man site in US C14
10K cows domesticated
10K Neolithic - farming, domestication
10K TBT Human population 5 million
9,500 Jericho established ThumanRace p17
9,400 tree ring c14 calibration
9,400 Nevada mummy, oldest N.Am
9,300 Kennewick Man WA, non-Mongolian
9,000 Mongolians wipe out SAm Australians
8,200 Copper tools
8,000 End cro-magnon
8,000 1st ag settlements Korea http://infoplease.lycos.com/ipa/A0107686.html
8,000 Cats, humans, mice on Cyprus domesticated from mild to wild
8,000 Pottery in Jerico THumanRace p17
7,500 Mount Mazama Crater Lake eruption
7,000 Irrigation
7,000 Rice in China, earliest settlements
7,000 Catal Huyuk S. Turkey Stone Age
7,000 Sumerian farming villages
7,000 Corn C. America
6,800 Earliest Egyptian/Badarian culture
6,500 Copper used
6,640 Crater Lake explosion C14
6,200 Xia earliest Chinese civilization
-- time before 6,000 impossible- creationists
6,000 Sumerians document constellations
6,004 Creation Archbishop Usher
Day 1: light
Day 2: water and sky
Day 3: dry land and plants and trees
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars visible
Day 5: Water and sky creatures
Day 6: land animals, man
Day 7: rest
5,761 Creation according to Hebrew Calendar
5,743 Adam and Eve-2
5,700 Wheel invented probably Sumeria TBTimeline
5,500 Sumer accounts on clay tablets, 1st civilization
5,500 Cities rise on nile
5,500 Cities in Indus Valley
5,500 Farmers use cattle to pull carts in Europe
5,500 Stonehenge built
5,500 Babylon people first settle
5,400 TBT Major flood inundates city of Ur. 8ft layer of silt found
5,200-4,900 Sumerian flood myth
5,200 Sumerians build Towers (of Babel?)
5,050 First Egyptian dynasties
5,000 100M world population
5,000 Sahara expands soil overgrazed
5,000 Assryians use block wheel from Mesopotamia
5,000 Athens first settled in Greece
5,000-6k Wheel invented
5,000 Indus
5,000 Copper, Bronze age
5,000-5,500 Horse bones with evidence of bit
5,000 Sumeria collapses
5,000 Neolithic farming in Europe
5,000 Early Indian civilization
5,000 rise of Hebrew, Semitic languages-1
4,879 Mythological founding of Vietnam
4,700 silk dicovered in china
4,700 Gilgamesh, King of Uruk in Babylonia.
4,700 Pyramids of Giza
4,600 Indus Valley civilization
4,600 Chinese Calendar started
4,500 North China farming
4,500 Actual Crab Nebula explosion
4,500 Bronze age britain - carts, bridges, forts<
4,400 oldest writing on papyrus
4,300 Choson culture in Korea http://infoplease.lycos.com/ipa/A0107686.html
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4,285 TBT Flood comes
4,217 Noah's flood, one language, one race-2
hydrosphere contained water in sky
atmosphere had much more oxygen
oil created
entire planet covered by water to highest mtn
all strata laid down
all races, species micro-evolve
salt water oceans
salt water fish adapt in 1 year
niagra, mississippi delta forms
complete ice cap forms
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4,000 Books of old testament are written
4,000 Tower of babel, all languages created
4,000 Gilgamesh written onto tablets
4,000 Malays drive out aborigines from SE Asia
3,850 Abraham journeys to Canaan, the first Jew/Arab
3,700 Jews arrive in Egypt
3,700 Last Mastadons Wrengel Island Siberia
3,500 Shang dynasty earliest evidence of dyn
chinese writing developed
3,500 Phoenician alphabet
3,500 Book of Genesis written
3,400 Writing in China on bones
3,400-500 Moses
3,250 Moses leads Israel out of Egypt-1
Ten commandments
3,220-3,200 Joshua invades Canaan-1
3,200 Fall of Jericho-1
3,000 Iron age (THumanRace) Egypt
3,000 Evidence camels domesticated-1
3,000 Written Hebrew-1
3,000 Maya numners heiroglyphs
2,800 Greeks adopt phonenician alphabet, add vowels
2,600 Chaldeans exile jews, bible written?
2,500 Ezra assemnles books of hebrew bible
2,500 King Nebuchadnezzar II Tower of Babel
2,200 Septuagint Greek translation of hebrew bible
2,000 0 AD Christianity
2,000 Water wheels to mill grain
1,430 570 Muhammed born
1,400 Punctuation / Reading invented
1,200 800 Vikings start raids
1,100 Iron produced
1,000 1054 Crab Nebula explodes
1325 Zenith of Ethiopian civilization
1492 Columbus sails to New World
1611 King James Bible
210 1788 Hutton sedimentary theory
200 Industrial Age
150 Sumer creation translated
141 1859 Darwin proposes evolution
1905 Rutherford theory radioactive dating
87 1913 Powered Aircraft
1920 Milky Way is one of many galaxies
70 1930 Computed Crab Nebula Explosion
50 1950 Computers
31 1969 Space Travel to moon
0 2000 40% of US rejects evolution
[1] The Gifts of the Jews
[2] See Sons of Adam dating below, from Abram's
leaving for Canaan in Gift of Jews
[3] Ice cores
Billions of Years
bang 14 earth 5
v V
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^life 2
^ multicell life 1
Hundreds of Millions of years
* 900
* 800
* 700 - large multicell animals
* 600 - Cambrian explosion
* 500 - Vertebrates
* 400 - Jawed Fish, Permian extinction
* 300 - Reptiles Amphibians
* 200 - Crocodiles, mammals
* 100 - Age of Dinosaurs, Mammals
Tens of Millions of Years
90 - Ammonites
80
70
60 - Dinosaurs die out
50
40
30 - Koalas
20 - Chimpanzee
10 - Age of Man
Millions of Years
9
8
7
6 Australopithecus in Africa
5
4
3 Lucy Afarensis
2 Ice age starts, Homo Erectus
1 Fire, Homo Sapiens
Hundreds of Thousands of Years
400 Peking, Java Man
200 Arrow Heads, bows arrows, tools
100 Homo Sapiens leaves Africa
Tens Thousands
80K Toba Eruption, near extinction of man
50K Boat painting australia
40K Cro Magnon
30K Ivory horse, last Neandertal
20K Bone needles
10K North American peoples, civilization
John Harshman
> Comments? Questions? Corrections?
Not bad. A bit terse, though.
> 2.2B Earth is iceball down to 11 deg of equator
Still a controversial theory.
> 1.7B Bottom of Grand Canyon laid down
Here's where terseness gets in your way. It would be easy to think from
this statement that you think the Grand Canyon is 1.7by old.
"metasediments now forming the bottom layers of the Grand Canyon laid down
as sediments"?
> 1.5B Multicellular organisms
Presumably you base this on molecular evidence. That too is very
controversial, and lots of people doubt it extremely. May be 200% of the
true date; or maybe not.
> 1B youngest stars in Milky Way
What's your definition of Milky Way? Does it include any A stars? If so,
this can't be true.
> 1B pikes peak rock radio
> 640M Large soft organisms - radio, strata
> 600M glacial age
> 544M Phanerozoic / Paleozoic Era
> 540M Cambrian - explosion of hard body animals,
> trilobite fossils
The Phanerozoic must, by definition, begin at the same time as the
Cambrian. Trilobites, also, no longer define the beginning of the
Cambrian.
> 520M Pikaia worm with stiff back cord
I wouldn't call Pikaia, or any other chordate, a worm.
> 500 Vertebrates - fish
> 470 oaklahoma bromide trilobites
> 470 jawless fish, no front fin Pteraspis
> 440 1st great extinction
> 435 ice age
> 430 coated algae live on land
> 420 water scorpion
Presumably you mean eurypterids? Watch it; there's a family of insects
called water scorpions.
> 420 Millipedes 1st land animals
> 410M Silurian - jawed fish
> 400M flying insects burke
> 400M all major fish groups burke scary fishes
Depends on what you mean by "major".
> 380 Cherirolepis oldest ray fin in lake burke
Cheirolepis.
> 375 lungfish with lungs, lobe fins burke
> fin structure similar to modern human
> 375 Eastmanosteus jawed fish burke
> 375 Bothriolepis first common freshwater fish burke
> 375 Appalacian mountains
> 375 Sharks
> 375 fern trees proto vonifers burke
> 370 2nd great extinction
> 410-360 end devonian, low oxygen inoceans killing most fish burke
> 360 land animals with limbs appear
> 360 early armoured fish no jaw extinct burke
> 350 Amphibians
Is this different from "land animals with limbs"?
> 350 Ferns - rooted plants
> 310 Reptiles live out of water
> 300M longest ice age
> 300M winged insects
> 2-300M pangea, dinosaurs emerged
If you want dinosaurs, you need to go to 228mya. (I see you have them
there too.)
> 255M Permian greatest extinction of all time
> trilobites died
> 85% of plants animals die
> ray fin fishes survive
> 250M Top layer of Grand canyon
> 245M Mesozoic Era
> 230M Roaches Termites
> 228M Euroaptor 1st dinosaur
Eoraptor.
> 225M Modern ferns Bees
> 210M early mammals
> 200M Pangea breaks apart
> 200M Rock dating limit, dating gap
?
> 200M Crocodiles, Mammals
You did mammals already. I forget which date, if either, is correct.
> 150M ice age cycle time
> 145M Archaepteryx
> 140M Apto(bronto)sauus
Apatosaurus.
> 140M Stegosaurus
> 136M Kangaroos
No.
> 130M Flowering plants
> 100M Cranes
Very unlikely.
> 100M fossil sturgeon
> 100M N cascades meets n america burke
> 95M Ammonite pre nautilus
If this is intended to mean that ammonites are ancestral to the modern
Nautilus, no.
> 70M Tyranasaurus
Tyrannosaurus.
> 6-70M Rocky Mountains form
Depends on what you mean by that. The Rockies, as mountains in their
current state, are younger than this.
> 65M Yucatan meteor strike
> 65M Cenozoic era - modern life, continents
> 65M Great dinosaur extinction
> end of marine reptiles, ammonites
> 60M Rats Mice Squirrels
> 56M Carnivora - leads to cats, dogs
> 45-50 freshwater herring Knightia most common fish fossil
...in one particular place, i.e. the lakes that deposited the Green River
formation.
> 40M Cascades erupt
> 40M earliest link to primates
> 37M cats appear
> 35M Grand Canyon river is on plain
> 28M Koalas
> 20M Chimpanzee Hominids
No.
> 20M Start to cut Grand Canyon
> 18M-6m E wash basalt lava
> 6M Columbia River Plateau
> 5.5M Australopithecus in Africa
> 5M-50K Neandertal found in Africa?
Not nearly that early.
> 4.5-6M men diverge from apes (DNA)
> 4.4M earliest manlike
Hard to define. I would have considered that first Australopithecus
manlike. Or even Ardipithecus.
> 4.4M 1994 ethiopia human-like teeth
> 4.4M Ardipithecus ramidus apelike hominid
> 3.9-3M Australopithecus afarensis "Lucy"
> 3.8M Tanzania homonid footprints walking
> 3.2M 1970's Lucy skull
> 2.8M Leaky 1973 skull
> 2.7M Lucy splits into africanus, aethipicus, homo?
> 2.5M enters current ice age
> 2.5M stone tools Homo Habilis pre-human
> 2.5M Genus homo found
> 2.3M Andromeda Galaxy image
> 1.8M olduvai gorge ash, early man, radio
> 1.8M ice at poles, ice age starts
> 1.8M-100K Homo Erectus
> 1.7M First Homo ergaster found out of Africa
> 1.6M earliest evidence of homo erectus fire
> 1.5M Hand axe
> 1.5M Leakey finds Erectus, Habilis, Australopithecus @same time
> 1.5M Human exodus from Africa to Europe Asia (Last Neaderthal)
> 1M Homo erectus fire
> 700k ice ages begin
> 600k Zinjanthropus 1961
That would be Australopithecus or Paranthropus in current terms.
> 500K Java Man (epic of man)
> 500K Neanderthal and modern man diverge
> 400K Chellean man
> 400K Peking Man 4/5 modern brain size
> 350K Simple symbolic thought / art
> 300K Oldest ice core data
> 250K fire widespread
> 240K Small Magellanic Cloud image
> 200K Transition Homo Erectus - HSapiens
> 200K arrow heads, harpoons, bows arrows, skin scrapers for clothing
> 200K Africans split from other humans
False, on the data.
> 200K Mitochondrial Eve (Last Neanderthal)
This and the next claim can't both be true. I say kill your parenthetical
statement.
> 180K Neanderthal emerges
> 160K Vladivostock ice core
> 130K "pathfinder" found on way out of Africa
> 120K-0 Homo sapiens leave Africa
> 110K Euro/Mongoloid split from Africans
> 100K Potassium Argon dating to billions yr
What exactly does this mean?
> 100K Symbolic art blossoms
> 100K Diameter of Milky Way
> 100K Last Homo Erectus "Java" man
> 80K Blombos middle stone age cave
> 75K Toba Eruption - ice age
> 75K Humans fall from 100,000 to 1,000
Seems very unlikely. Where did you get that one?
Perhaps you should add something about to set this part off, like you did
with the rest of the biblical myths.
--
*Note the obvious spam-defeating modification
to my address if you reply by email.
Robert Grumbine
>15-20B big bang creation - hubble constant, red shift
>15B farthest Quasars observable from ground
>15B farthest observed galaxy - Hubble red shift
>12B farthest cluster of galaxies
>10B oldest stars in Milky Way
> 7B oldest observable galaxies from ground
All of these are questionable, especially the date of the big bang.
Current best figure is more like 13 +- 2 B.
The oldest quasars are younger than the oldest galaxies.
The oldest stars in the Milky Way Galaxy are pushing the 13 B years
of the age of the universe (hence some concern a while back that we
thought there were stars that were older than we thought the universe
was).
The qualifiers 'from ground' aren't astronomically meaningful.
Just go with the ages of the oldest, period.
>1B youngest stars in Milky Way
Nowhere near that old. There are stars in the Orion Nebula that
are only a few million years old at most. The Pleiades are also only
several million years old.
>150M ice age cycle time
? You mean what here. Periodic glaciations as we've been having 'of late'
are only 100 ky long.
> 5M-50K Neandertal found in Africa?
5M for Neanderthal sounds wildly old.
>2.5M enters current ice age
antarctic glaciated well before this.
>1.8M ice at poles, ice age starts
You have the ice age starting twice.
Make that 3 times, as you've got it again at 700 k.
Nope, 4, you do it again at 75 k.
>700k ice ages begin
To pick a single date, 2.5 M is a fair figure for northern hemisphere
large scale glaciation.
>300K Oldest ice core data
400K and counting
>160K Vladivostock ice core
_Vostok_ ice core. And that's 400 ky now.
>100K Potassium Argon dating to billions yr
Huh?
>75K Toba Eruption - ice age
Look, I like ice ages, they're fun and interesting, but would
you _please_ decide what you mean by ice ages and use that one
definition. This is the 4th ice age you've tossed in to the last
2.5 My. Given the placement, you've got 4 different definitions
and aren't distinguishing between them.
>75K Humans fall from 100,000 to 1,000
fall? Meters? km? feet?
>40K greenland ice core layers
Where _are_ you getting these numbers? The GISP and GRIP cores both
go back over 100 ky.
>12K SeaTac airport ground sloth burke
Huh?
>10K tree ring history
>10K oldest man site in US C14
Both of these are older
>9,400 tree ring c14 calibration
As is this.
--
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Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
.d.a.n.f.a.k.e.
.d.a.n.f.a.k.e.
> Note that this shows it's not just the theory of
> evolution that is in question, but EVERYTHING that
> happened more than 6,000 years ago.
>
Thanks for the info. I have a timeline
with extensive links in the "Origins"
link in my sig. In addition to the details
contained in the "Origins" link, one other
part of your timeline you might want to
reconsider - the writing of the christian
bible and the development of religions:
The bible - What is it? - What is it good for?
http://x61.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673510453
Social - World - Religions ... Origins, Geographical
Distribution, Populations/Percentages:
http://x65.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=637028043
Keep in mind that the origin estimates
for some of the ancient religions are
based on estimates of word-of-mouth
origins, with written documents sometimes,
as is the case with the Jewish religion
and the 'to be' christian bible, written
long after the word-of-mouth tribal
origination of the myths. Also of note,
Genesis, per the above source, was *not*
the first bible book written, 1st and 2nd
Samuel were.
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freedom, and maxing out this one and only experience we
all know and share on this earth, at this time, in this life.
http://x63.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=677641243
FREELOVER? Freethinking Realist Exploring Expressive
Liberty, Openness, Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality
(also, pro-love, free from state and church authorities)
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Floyd
Arthur Hu wrote:
> Comments? Questions? Corrections?
You'll probably want to include more detailedreferences to where you found these
dates, and
there are a few minor changes (some "events"
are listed as having more than one date). I'll
leave the earliest history of the universe to the
experts and just weigh in on the archaeology
and local geology below.
> 100M N cascades meets n america burke
It would be more accurate to say Vancouver Islandaccreted onto N. America, causing
the folding and
metamorphosis of the N. Cascades (Chernikoff 1999).
> 40M Cascades erupt
True, but misleading. Today's "High Cascades" are notthe same volcanoes that
erupted 40 MYA. Again, see
Chernikoff 1999.
> 40M earliest link to primates
_Cantius_ actually dates to between 50-57 MYA
> 20M Chimpanzee Hominids
Not sure what you mean here. The Chimps and theHoms both date to less than 7-10
MYA (their MRCA)
> 6M Columbia River Plateau
not sure what you mean. CRBs?
> 5.5M Australopithecus in Africa
> 5M-50K Neandertal found in Africa?
Not likely. Earliest known neandetal is about 200KYA.They did move down to
Southwest Asia during particularly
cold periods of the Pleistocene, as part of a general southward
migration of the European fauna, but I don't know any examples
of this before about 90K, and I don't know if they actually
ever made it to Africa. Here is where citing your source
would be helpful.
> 4.5-6M men diverge from apes (DNA)
that's a reasonably good estimate, although 5-7MYA isa more commonly seen figure.
> 4.4M earliest manlike
"manlike" is a pretty subjective term. Cows have"manlike" warm blood, for
example, and birds have
"manlike" tetrapoidy. You'll probably want to be
more specific.
> 4.4M 1994 ethiopia human-like teeth
Ethiopia is a proper noun and should be capitalised.
> 4.4M Ardipithecus ramidus apelike hominid
> 3.9-3M Australopithecus afarensis "Lucy"
> 3.8M Tanzania homonid footprints walking
> 3.2M 1970's Lucy skull
1972 field season, to be precise, and they foundmore than the skull.
> 2.8M Leaky 1973 skull
> 2.7M Lucy splits into africanus, aethipicus, homo?
> 2.5M enters current ice age
That's a bit on the shy side too, IIRC
> 2.5M stone tools Homo Habilis pre-human
That's a bit early
> 2.5M Genus homo found
> 2.3M Andromeda Galaxy image
> 1.8M olduvai gorge ash, early man, radio
details would be helpful. I suspect you meanthat this information was recovered
through
radiometric dating methods, rather than this
was the date when the radio was invented, ;-)
but clarifying is clearly in order.
> 1.8M ice at poles, ice age starts
that's a bit late too, and conflicts with thedate given above (2.5)
> 1.8M-100K Homo Erectus
> 1.7M First Homo ergaster found out of Africa
This is a pet peeve of mine; if it was foundout of Africa, it's not /H. ergaster/,
because
/H. ergaster/ is defined as the erectus-grade
hominid that lived in Africa. If it was out of
Africa, it was either /H.erectus/ (Asia) or
/H. heidelbergensis/ (Europe).
> 1.6M earliest evidence of homo erectus fire
> 1.5M Hand axe
Which one? First? Last? etc. This is whereyou need more details and references
to your
sources.
> 1.5M Leakey finds Erectus, Habilis, Australopithecus @same time
Actually IIRC, Leaky didn't find this materialuntil the 1950s and 1960s :-)
> 1.5M Human exodus from Africa to Europe Asia (Last Neaderthal)
Nope. First modern humans appear around200K, and don't leave Africa until mayby
90
or 100K. Neandertals persisted until perhaps
as late as 28K.
> 1M Homo erectus fire
possibly earlier, but also, you have thislisted twice.
> 700k ice ages begin
That's the third time you listed this, and it'sway off in this case. 2.5M was
closest.
> 600k Zinjanthropus 1961
> 500K Java Man (epic of man)
What is "epic of man" in this context?
> 500K Neanderthal and modern man diverge
Correct, but remember, that's the date of theMRCA, neither moderns nor neandertals
existed at the time.
> 400K Chellean man
> 400K Peking Man 4/5 modern brain size
> 350K Simple symbolic thought / art
> 300K Oldest ice core data
Actually, GRIP and GISP-2 both go back fartherthan that.
> 250K fire widespread
> 240K Small Magellanic Cloud image
> 200K Transition Homo Erectus - HSapiens
> 200K arrow heads, harpoons, bows arrows, skin scrapers for clothing
bows and arrows are probably later, and scrapers are earlier
> 200K Africans split from other humans
that's a bit early. 120-150K is probably closer
> 200K Mitochondrial Eve (Last Neanderthal)
the last neandertal may have lived 30K yearsago or less...unless that's the title
of a book
that discusses mtDNA Eve? If so, you'll
be better off citing the original source, Cann,
Stoneking, and Wilson 1987, and some of
the updates from the Wilson group at Berkeley.
> 180K Neanderthal emerges
> 160K Vladivostock ice core
> 130K "pathfinder" found on way out of Africa
not sure what you mean here. Please clarify.
> 120K-0 Homo sapiens leave Africa
> 110K Euro/Mongoloid split from Africans
> 100K Potassium Argon dating to billions yr
are you saying K-Ar is increasingly inaccurate formaterial more recent than
100K?
> 100K Symbolic art blossoms
That's _WAY_ too early. I wouldn'treally credit much of anything before maybe 60K
> 100K Diameter of Milky Way
> 100K Last Homo Erectus "Java" man
> 80K Blombos middle stone age cave
MSA is also a proper noun and should be inupper case (another pet peeve :-)
> 75K Toba Eruption - ice age
> 75K Humans fall from 100,000 to 1,000
not sure what you mean here. Population bottleneck?earliest bungee jumping?
collapse of the species market?
big sale at Macys? ;-)
> 60K Australian aborigines - oldest living culture
> traveled by boat. Sea Level 250 feet below present
> 55K Oldest rock painting Australia
> 50K Oldest boat painting Australia
> 50-100K Homo sapiens
again, a bit unclear. They existed both before andafter this period.
> 50K Limit of Carbon dating, dating gap.
> Any living thing with less C14 is older than 50K yrs.
> 50K Oldest rocks on Mt St. Helens
???
> 47K Neanderthal mammoth tooth carving
Probably bogus.
> 45K people bury their dead
Shanidar IV, I presume.
> 45K Japan Lake algae C14 dating
> 41K NE Asians split from Caucasians
> 40K Hamster / Mouse dating Middle East
Wow, and I thought the ads in the back pages of _TheStranger_ were weird! I guess
SWM must mean "small
white mouse" :-D
> 40K Cro-Magnon Culture, less nomadic
than what? Citation is important here. This isat best problematic.
> 40K Humans found siberia N China
> 40K NativeAm Asian gene clock diverge
> 40K Brazil charcoal
that site is definitely bogus. The only good "old"date we have for the Americas
so far is Dillehay's
13K layer from Monte Verde. The >30K layer
might be good, but hasn't been confirmed yet.
> 40K greenland ice core layers
what about them? Be more specific please
> 40K human art, paintings
> 35K rock paintings Tanzania THRace 14
> 35K First Mt St. Helens Eruptions
> 32K ivory horse, oldest animal carving
> 29K C14 + Tree ring dating
Not sure what you mean. Calibration?
> 27K Last known Neandertal remains
> 27K Oldest woven cloth
> 25K Human pop 100,000
Cite source for this. How would we know?
> 25K Brazil cave paintings
almost certainly not accurately dated.
> 25k seas start to lower for bering bridge
too late. 24-18K was the most _recent_ maximum,but the bridge was open long
before
> 25k bone needles
> 20K Huon Pine Tasmania (oldest tree)
> 20K Ice age warms towards present - 3
> 20k saber tooth cat la brea burke
I assume you mean the one at the Burke Museumis that age?
> 15k wolf domesticated in Asia
> 14k meadowcroft pa site dates
almost certainly bogus. The Meadowcroft flora isall Holocene. The dates are
almost certainly
contaminated by coal gas. I'd guess 7-10K at most.
> 14k southmost glacier in wa state
> 14k Montana ice dams flood e wash
> 13K bering land bridge
> 12K SeaTac airport ground sloth burke
>
again, you mean the one at the Burke Museum is this age?
> 12K Mesolithic nomadic hunter gather (Stone Age)
> 12K Mongolians cross into N America
Probably earlier. At least 13K, possibly 30K
> 12K goats domesticated for milk
> 12K coral C14 calibration
> 11K Mastodons large mammals extinct
> 10-12K Near east agriculture
> 10K Oldest sandals found in Oregon
> 10K Neolithic middle east revolution
> 10K End of last ice age - 3
> 10K Mesopotamia tokens for accounting
> 10K tree ring history
> 10K oldest man site in US C14
nope. We've got 11.5 stuff all over the place, andeven a few 12K sites.
> 10K cows domesticated
> 10K Neolithic - farming, domestication
> 10K TBT Human population 5 million
again, source?
> 9,500 Jericho established ThumanRace p17
> 9,400 tree ring c14 calibration
> 9,400 Nevada mummy, oldest N.Am
> 9,300 Kennewick Man WA, non-Mongolian
Well, not similar to _modern_ people of Asia, but thenneither are any other Native
American people, physically.
> 9,000 Mongolians wipe out SAm Australians
Lost me there...what do you mean?
> 8,200 Copper tools
> 8,000 End cro-magnon
> 8,000 1st ag settlements Korea http://infoplease.lycos.com/ipa/A0107686.html
> 8,000 Cats, humans, mice on Cyprus domesticated from mild to wild
> 8,000 Pottery in Jerico THumanRace p17
> 7,500 Mount Mazama Crater Lake eruption
> 7,000 Irrigation
> 7,000 Rice in China, earliest settlements
> 7,000 Catal Huyuk S. Turkey Stone Age
> 7,000 Sumerian farming villages
> 7,000 Corn C. America
> 6,800 Earliest Egyptian/Badarian culture
> 6,500 Copper used
you have copper tools listed at 8200
> 6,640 Crater Lake explosion C14
> 6,200 Xia earliest Chinese civilization
> -- time before 6,000 impossible- creationists
Other than that, looks cool! Keep it up, Arthur.
-Floyd