40,000 yr/old writing?

[bruce bowser]

40,000 yr/old writing? (sci lang repost)

"There is a surprising degree of similarity in the earliest rock art found all the way from France and Spain to Indonesia and Australia. With many of the same signs appearing in such far-flung places, especially in that 30,000- to 40,000-year range"

Why did ancient humans paint the same 32 symbols in caves all over Europe?
NPR - June 7, 2017
-- https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1134027564

[erik simpson]

Fascinating indeed. I wonder which symbols are common to Europe and Australia. Hands, for sure.

[Öö Tiib]

No links to papers, no photos ... just nothing. How does it really work? Why anyone reads
or listens it? All kind of commercial and/or political enterprises constantly put up lot better
scams and advertisements of scams. Why does not population gain/train immunity
to it?

Especially when these are empty and primitive bald assertions. We have all seen better
materials about earth being flat and/or in centre of universe. There are lot better proofs
that ghosts exist, moon landing was fake, moon is in fact hollow, interstellar aliens visited
our planet frequently in past etc. etc.

[Pro Plyd]

erik simpson wrote:
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:51:50 AM UTC-8, bruce bowser wrote:
>> 40,000 yr/old writing? (sci lang repost)
>>
>> "There is a surprising degree of similarity in the earliest rock art found all the way from France and Spain to Indonesia and Australia. With many of the same signs appearing in such far-flung places, especially in that 30,000- to 40,000-year range"
>>
>> Why did ancient humans paint the same 32 symbols in caves all over Europe?
>> NPR - June 7, 2017
>> -- https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1134027564

Hmmm, the link has a date of 2022... but most of what I
googled was of that vintage (her book came out in 2016,
for example).

> Fascinating indeed. I wonder which symbols are common to Europe and Australia. Hands, for sure.

I found this

https://www.scribd.com/document/676092842/Sign-of-Ice-Age

which is a display of the geometric signs.

These two links

<https://www.openculture.com/2019/03/40000-year-old-symbols-found-in-caves-worldwide-may-represent-the-earliest-written-language.html>

https://cuevadelapileta.blogspot.com/2015/11/why-are-these-32-symbols-found-in.html

have maps showing (broadly) which symbols have
been found where.

Most of what I came across said von Petzinger was
a grad student at the University of Victoria in
Canada. It's not clear if she got her PhD or not.
Has an association with NatGeo

https://explorer-directory.nationalgeographic.org/genevieve-von-petzinger
...
HISTORY AT NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
2016 Emerging Explorer, 2020 Grantee, 2016 Grantee
...
Grant status: Active
Project start: 2020-05-18
Project end: 2024-04-26
Project location: Spain
...

Other than the book not sure what she's published.
Google scholar shows she's been involved with this
area since 2005

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=QaDkX_UAAAAJ&hl=sv


Some nice background here, she certainly covered a
lot of sites!

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/cave-art-ice-age-paleolithic-writing-first-signs

"Intrigued, von Petzinger expanded her study to all
of Europe, scouring reports of 367 Upper Paleolithic
rock art sites from northern Spain to the Ural
Mountains in Russia."

This can't really be termed "writing", proto-writing
seems more appropriate. A couple articles called these
doodles or emojis.