Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance UPDATED
JacobSmith
To finite minds of men and women, there is always
the problem of the chicken and the egg. To the
eternal, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient
God, they always existed, since He knows all from
Eternity to Eternity. I will discuss chicken/egg origins.
Consider a man and a woman. The mature healthy
woman is possessed of an enclosed system of egg
production. Upon fertilization, a baby begins to
form in the womb and circa nine months, a child
is born. Consider the chicken and her eggs laid.
Each fertilized egg, in the biological process of
being formed within the mother chicken, contains
both the mother dna and father dna. Therefore,
in all respects, in all of the cycles of rebirth, there
is always the enclosed system of chicken and egg,
containing all elements of both forms of biological mass.
Since all biological chemical combination is a form of
mass, the theoretical foundations of reproduction
are subject to E = Mass (x speed of light c squared).
Mass therefore is Energy divided by c squared. Any
enclosed reproductive system has a finite number of
changes that can potentially occur, related to its mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_biology
The absolute boundaries between breeds and species
is numerically limited by vacuum division of its energy.
Evolutionary change equals zero division, mathematically.
Since enclosed reproductive system mass cannot be
created or destroyed (only modified), reality declares
there is, was and always will be continuance of life.
In other words, all substance which is more refined
active energy is in the likeness of its observable mass
shell and that which is seen as mass, is in the same
form as the energy with which it is vitalized; "the spirit
of man in the likeness of his person, as also the spirit
of the beast, and every other creature which God
has created (organized)."
The " Life" is in the mass, not in the matter. Mass
cannot evolve, only be reconstituted elsewhere.
[Mass–energy equivalence also means that mass
conservation becomes a restatement, or requirement,
of the law of energy conservation, which is the first
law of thermodynamics. Mass–energy equivalence
does not imply that mass may be “converted” to
energy, and indeed implies the opposite. Modern
theory holds that neither mass nor energy may be
destroyed, but only moved from one location to another.
In physics, mass must be differentiated from matter,
a more poorly defined idea in the physical sciences.
Matter, when seen as certain types of particles, can
be created and destroyed, but the precursors and
products of such reactions retain both the original
mass and energy, both of which remain unchanged
(conserved) throughout the process.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-energy_equivalence
Jesus taught therefore: And I say unto you
my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the
body (matter), and after that have no more
that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom
ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed
hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you,
Fear him. God, His Father has power over mass.
Evolutionary change allows for a timeless, ever
accelerating infinite expansion of an enclosed
Universe, which will eventually burn down into
permanent non existence, contrary to established
laws of physics; which total non ordered existence
has now, and continues to generate ordered life.
So, biological systems previously destroyed, become
non forms that then are the new genesis of forms.
This is nothing but zero division: a mass of confusion.
[The final state of the universe depends on the
assumptions made about its ultimate fate, and
these assumptions have varied considerably over
the late 20th century and early 21st century.
In a "closed" universe that undergoes re-collapse,
a heat death is expected to occur, with the
universe approaching arbitrarily high temperature
and maximal entropy as the end of the collapse
approaches. In an "open" or "flat" universe that
continues expanding indefinitely, a heat death is
also expected to occur, with the universe cooling
to approach absolute zero temperature and
approaching a state of maximal entropy over
a very long time period.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe
[The Big Crunch theory is a symmetric view
of the ultimate fate of the universe. Just as
the Big Bang started a cosmological expansion,
this theory postulates that the average density
of the universe is enough to stop its expansion
and begin contracting. The end result is unknown;
a simple extrapolation would have all the matter
and space-time in the universe collapse into a
dimensionless singularity, but at these scales
unknown quantum effects need to be considered.
This scenario allows the Big Bang to have been
immediately preceded by the Big Crunch of a
preceding universe. If this occurs repeatedly,
we have an oscillatory universe. The universe
could then consist of an infinite sequence of
finite universes, each finite universe ending
with a Big Crunch that is also the Big Bang
of the next universe.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe
The above theories are the principles for mass reincarnation.
"Modern" genetic DNA & Evolution "SCIENCE" is nothing more
or less than theoretical hidden Eastern RELIGIONS cover up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation
[This doctrine is a central tenet within the majority
of Indian religious traditions, such as Hinduism,
Jainism, and Sikhism; the Buddhist concept of rebirth
is also often referred to as reincarnation The idea
was also fundamental to some Greek philosophers
and religions as well as other religions, such as Druidism.
It is also found in many small-scale societies around
the world, in places such as Siberia, West Africa,
North America, and Australia.
Although the majority of sects within Judaism,
Christianity and Islam do not believe that individuals
reincarnate, particular groups within these religions
do refer to reincarnation; these groups include the
Hassidim and Cathars. The historical relations
between these sects and the beliefs about
reincarnation that were characteristic of the
Neoplatonism, Hermeticism, Manicheanism
and Gnosticism of the Roman era, as well
as the Indian religions, is unclear.]
ADDENDUM: Isolated Systems
An answer requires a determination of basic physics
reference frames. [Abstract five-dimensional space
occurs frequently in mathematics, and is a legitimate
construct. Whether or not the real universe in which
we live is somehow five-dimensional is a topic that is
debated and explored in several branches of physics,
including astrophysics and particle physics. In physics,
the fifth dimension is a hypothetical extra dimension
beyond the usual three spatial dimensions and one
time dimension of Relativity.] [Hooft has speculated
that the fifth dimension is really the spacetime fabric.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-dimensional_space
Spacetime Fabric = Thought, the process of reasoning.
The state-space of quantum mechanics is an infinite-
dimensional function space, or human mental thought.
Five-dimensional space has its three linear dimensions,
time, and infinite-dimensional human thought functions.
This includes all universal mass in one dynamic system;
with Control being at the center point of mass of the entire
universe, which rules out the possibility that some other
object is exerting a greater force, since by hypothesis
there can be no greater force or power to accelerate.
It is clearly defined within the Biblical Text, in order of
commentary, that it was the partaking, or touching of
the fruit of the knowledge of good or evil that gave Adam,
Eve and all their posterity, the ability to evaluate opposites,
by experience. "Consciousness is a characteristic of the
mind generally regarded to comprise qualities such as
subjectivity, self-awareness" (we are naked and need
clothes),"sentience, sapience, and the ability to perceive
the relationship between oneself and one's environment.
The Bible clearly states the beginnings of all free agency
and neurological thought processes. Indeed, the source
of all power for POSITIVE action, (the faith of the whole
world), from Adam's time down to the present age, has
been dependent in some way, on the correct idea of God,
as transmitted to mankind by their common progenitor.
Their understanding and witness of innocence to
consciousness, is replicated every day upon the whole
face of the earth, by the birth and gradual development
of new infants; which gives every living person an individual
experience (not observed in other life forms), a repeat of
the pre mortal to mortal life events that were had by Adam
and Eve, both inside and out of the garden of Eden.
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm
ANSWER: A human reproductive system is an isolated
one, in the physics sense of "isolated", when it includes
five-dimensional space, with its three linear dimensions,
time, and infinite-dimensional human thought functions.
Jesus Christ, in the exact similitude of His Heavenly
Father, exercised perfect mind control over matter,
of all elements; thereby showing that Adam, Eve and
all their posterity can be resurrected by becoming His
just and true followers. The " Life" is in the mass, not
in the matter. Mass cannot evolve, only be immortally
reconstituted elsewhere. True natural selection is the
process by which mankind preserves certain heritable
traits, by living the gospel of Jesus Christ; those qualities
that make it certain for organized society to survive and
successfully reproduce over successive generations.
RESEARCH NOTES:
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east
of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword
which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life"
It was the earth as a complete system that became isolated.
[Deforming a line segment to a point is impermissible],
which is what the false theory of evolution creates, as
it is reversed in time sequence to include unknown, and
therefore irrational, non defined points for solid modeling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_modeling
[As described by Braid, normal solids found in nature
have the property that, at every point on the boundary,
a small enough sphere around the point is divided into
two pieces, one inside and one outside the object.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_representation
[As Henri Poincaré famously said, mathematics
is not the study of objects, but instead, the relations
(isomorphisms for instance) between them.];
[the continued fraction expansion of an irrational
number defines a homeomorphism from the space
of irrationals to the space of all sequences of
positive integers, which is easily seen to be
completely metrizable.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeomorphism
In neuroscience, quantum brain dynamics (QBD)
is a hypothesis to explain the function of the brain
within the framework of quantum field theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_brain_dynamics
NeuroQuantology, Vol 6, No 3 (2008)
http://www.neuroquantology.com/journal/index.php/nq/index
. . .
A Neuroquantologic Approach to How
Human Thought Might Affect the Universe
Michael Persinger,
Stanley A. Koren,
Ghislaine F. Lafreniere
Abstract:
The cerebral processes of observation and measurement
are associated with the action potential whose energy of
about 10-20 J matches the magnitude associated with
electric forces between ions on the neuronal membrane's
surface. Both intrinsic gravitational forces and the density
of force within the domain of Planck's length indicate the
width of a membrane is resonant with all space within the
universe. The required disparities near the velocity of light
to explain the discrepancy between the Compton (wavelength)
width and the classical width of the electron is about 10-20 J.
The calculations and their resultant hypotheses in this paper
suggest that human thought, as the wave form associated
with action potentials, might affect matter and that the act
of observation might dissociate fundamental forces anywhere
and anytime within the universe due to entanglement
because of the paradoxical time of expansion of Planck's
length from the smallest to largest increments of space.
http://www.neuroquantology.com/journal/index.php/nq/article/view/176/277
The quantum mind or quantum consciousness hypothesis
proposes that classical mechanics cannot fully explain
consciousness, and suggests that quantum mechanical
phenomena, such as quantum entanglement and
superposition, may play an important part in the brain's
function, and could form the basis of an explanation
of consciousness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind
LIVING SYSTEMS:
Physicists at the University of California, Berkeley
believe they have discovered that green plants perform
quantum computation in order to capture the sun's light
through photosynthesis—evidence of quantum coherence
in a living system. Sources:
David Biello (2007-04-13). "When It Comes to Photosynthesis,
Plants Perform Quantum Computation". Scientific American.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-it-comes-to-photosynthesis-plants-perform-quantum-computation
"Quantum Secrets of Photosynthesis Revealed".
Research News Berkeley lab. 2007-04-12.
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/PBD-quantum-secrets.html
"New Quantum Secrets of Photosynthesis".
Berkeley lab. 2007-08-06.
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/sabl/2007/Jul/quantumSecrets.html
QUANTUM MIND REVISITED:
The correctly handed down information in the Bible
is a great source of pure intelligence, light and truth.
It can be compared to modern day equivalents, for
better understanding and mental comprehension.
For example, in the last few days, there has been
the release of Kinect for Xbox 360.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect
[Kinect, is a "controller-free gaming and entertainment
experience" by Microsoft for the Xbox 360 video game
platform. Based around an add-on peripheral for the
Xbox 360 console, it enables users to control and interact
with the Xbox 360 without the need to touch a game
controller through a natural user interface using gestures,
spoken commands, or presented objects and images.]
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/events/e3/kinect.htm
"Natural user interface, or NUI, is the common parlance
used by designers and developers of computer interfaces
to refer to a user interface that is effectively invisible,
or becomes invisible with successive learned interactions,
to its users. The word natural is used because most
computer interfaces use artificial control devices whose
operation has to be learned. A NUI relies on a user
being able to carry out relatively natural motions,
movements or gestures that they quickly discover
control the computer application or manipulate
the on-screen content. The most descriptive identifier
of a NUI is the lack of a physical keyboard and/or mouse."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_user_interface
The Earth and Solar System are being controlled by
God, the Eternal Father, through His Immortal and
Eternal, Only Begotten and Beloved Son, Jesus Christ.
They appear to be invisible, but Their Words control.
This is the testimony of the Old and New Testament.
These Users control and interact with mankind on earth.
On a more elementary human level, The holonomic
brain theory, originated by psychologist Karl Pribram
and initially developed in collaboration with physicist
David Bohm, is a model for human cognition that is
drastically different from conventionally accepted
ideas: Pribram and Bohm posit a model of cognitive
function as being guided by a matrix of neurological
wave interference patterns situated temporally
between holographic Gestalt perception and discrete,
affective, quantum vectors derived from reward
anticipation potentials.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holonomic_model
The Fifth Dimension: PURE THOUGHT
[n Bohm’s conception of order, then, primacy
is given to the undivided whole, and the implicate
order inherent within the whole, rather than to
parts of the whole, such as particles, quantum
states, and continua. For Bohm, the whole
encompasses all things, structures, abstractions
and processes, including processes that result
in (relatively) stable structures as well as those
that involve metamorphosis of structures or things.
In this view, parts may be entities normally regarded
as physical, such as atoms or subatomic particles,
but they may also be abstract entities, such as
quantum states. Whatever their nature and character,
according to Bohm, these parts are considered in terms
of the whole, and in such terms, they constitute relatively
autonomous and independent "sub-totalities". The implication
of the view is, therefore, that nothing is fundamentally
separate or autonomous.] CONCLUSION: INFINITE GOD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate_and_explicate_order_according_to_David_Bohm
David Bohm took the view that quantum theory
and relativity contradicted one another, and that
this contradiction implied that there existed a more
fundamental level in the physical universe. He claimed
that both quantum theory and relativity pointed towards
this deeper theory. This more fundamental level
was supposed to represent an undivided wholeness
and an implicate order, from which arose the explicate
order of the universe as we experience it.
Bohm's implicate order applies both to matter
and consciousness, and he proposed that it
could explain the relationship between them.
Mind and matter are here seen as projections
into our explicate order from the underlying
reality of the implicate order. Bohm claims that
when we look at the matter in space, we can
see nothing in these concepts that helps us
to understand consciousness.
In trying to describe the nature of consciousness,
Bohm discusses the experience of listening to music.
He thinks that the feeling of movement and change
that make up our experience of music derives from
both the immediate past and the present both being
held in the brain together, with the notes from the
past seen as transformations rather than memories.
The notes that were implicate in the immediate past
are seen as becoming explicate in the present. Bohm
views this as consciousness emerging from the implicate
order.
Bohm sees the movement, change or flow and also
the coherence of experiences, such as listening to
music as a manifestation of the implicate order. He
claims to derive evidence for this from the work of
Piaget in studying infants. He states that these
studies show that young children have to learn
about time and space, because they are part of
the explicate order, but have a 'hard-wired'
(light of Christ) understanding of movement,
because it is part of the implicate order. He
compares this 'hard-wiring' to Chomsky's theory
that grammar is 'hard-wired' into young human
brains. In his writings, Bohm never proposed
any specific brain mechanism by which his implicate
order could emerge in a way that was relevant
to consciousness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind
Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid
them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Respectfully yours,
Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America,
Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]
Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/
Michael Young
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Jake, you should be painfully aware by now that nobody is going to
read the whole thing, or even most of it (if they're sane and/or not
masochistic). Your posts are random assortments of words that hold no
meaning whatsoever and produce no coherent thoughts.
Also, stop acting like you're a scientist. You're not. Posting a
section called abstract and littering your exteeeeensiiiiiive
paragraphs with links (to things that DO make sense) does not make you
a researcher. What you do is not research.
I know people are going to argue certain points of whatever it is you
vomited above, and may Awmighty Gawd bless them for it. But I think I
have a pretty good idea what's in there, and I don't think I'm missing
much.
John S. Wilkins
> Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>
[PRATTs excised, along with religious special pleading]
>
> Respectfully yours,
>
> Tom Tinney, Sr.
> Who's Who in America,
> Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004
> Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]
> Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory
> http://www.academic-genealogy.com/
Hey, *I'm* in the Who's Who* and I say this is crap. Who are you going
to believe?
* It's a scam designed to get money. All you have to do is fill out the
form they send you and you get the free prize of a hundred requests for
money, offers to sell you the volume at a reduced price, and sundry
other scams.
--
John S. Wilkins, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
Eric Root
>
(snip)
>
> read more »
Like anybody's going to "read more."
Why don't you fix your subject line? "Theory of Evolution Is Death In
Ignorance" is clumsily written and doesn't convey any meaning. A
hint: everyone on this forum, except some of the creationists ( and
possibly an adherent of scientism) is _more_ intelligent than
average, whatever flaws we might have otherwise. You are _not_ going
to get through to us by writing stuff that is _dumber_ than average.
I'm not bragging, but coming here and saying dumb stuff is like going
into Gold's Gym and trying to show off your 20-pound bench press.
Eric Root
Rusty Sites
> Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>
>
What do you think?
a) Loki. I was convinced this was it about half way through. Did anybody
else find the first half of this uproariously funny? I actually laughed
out loud a few times.
b) Schizophrenic. Many parts of it sound very much like recordings of
schizophrenics that I have heard somewhere.
c) Just a regular nut job.
Michael Young
> c) Just a regular nut job.
Nut job. Check his profile. He's been spamming threads for ages now.
At first he only stuck to advertising his "genealogy portal" and
trying to make himself sound much more important than he is. Now he
spams wordsalad "science" while still trying to make himself sound
intelligent and very important. Not much of an improvement.
bpuharic
<tins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>
>To finite minds of men and women, there is always
>the problem of the chicken and the egg. To the
>eternal, omnipotent, omnipresent, and o
didnt he already post this bullshit once?
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
that even makes sense to another person, let alone persuades them of
anything? Because I don't. I mean, women don't lay eggs.
Bruce Stephens
He did, but this is UPDATED. Differences (ignoring whitespace changes)
are the link to the wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_biology and the three paragraphs
starting from
> The " Life" is in the mass, not in the matter. Mass
> cannot evolve, only be reconstituted elsewhere.
and then the end, from the following to the end
> ADDENDUM: Isolated Systems
> An answer requires a determination of basic physics
Those are things he's posted separately, I think. Presumably he thought
they were so well accepted that they ought to be thrown in with the
other post.
dali_70
> Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
Posting fucktarded garbage a second time doesn't make it any more
coherent.
Ron O
> JacobSmith <tinst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>
> [PRATTs excised, along with religious special pleading]
>
>
>
> > Respectfully yours,
>
> > Tom Tinney, Sr.
> > Who's Who in America,
> > Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004
> > Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]
> > Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory
> >http://www.academic-genealogy.com/
>
> Hey, *I'm* in the Who's Who* and I say this is crap. Who are you going
> to believe?
>
> * It's a scam designed to get money. All you have to do is fill out the
> form they send you and you get the free prize of a hundred requests for
> money, offers to sell you the volume at a reduced price, and sundry
> other scams.
> --
> But al be that he was a philosophre,
> Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
Hey, multiple uses of the word "scam" in a single post is cutting into
my turf!!!
If the guy is only in the book in the 2004 edition what was he before
and after his inclusion?
Was Jacob Smith in Who's Who? Why would Tinney Sr. want to be Jacob
Smith? If this is Tinney Sr. how many little Tinney's do we have to
feel sorry for? Those are the only questions I have about his posts.
Ron Okimoto
Eric Root
> On 6/21/2010 9:52 PM, JacobSmith wrote:
>
> > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>
> What do you think?
>
> a) Loki. I was convinced this was it about half way through.
You loser! _Some_ people don't have to get halfway through a cowpie
to realize it isn't food! <8^)
> Did anybody
> else find the first half of this uproariously funny? I actually laughed
> out loud a few times.
>
The only "uproariously funny" part I saw was the "read more" at the
bottom of the screen.
> b) Schizophrenic. Many parts of it sound very much like recordings of
> schizophrenics that I have heard somewhere.
>
> c) Just a regular nut job.
If he's a Loki, he's a near-genius.
Eric Root
Richard Clayton
Sure they do. But we mammals do all our egg-laying internally; much
tidier that way.
--
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Richard Clayton
"I keep six honest serving men (they taught me all I knew); their names
are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who." — Rudyard Kipling
raven1
<tins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
As Pauli would say, "this isn't even wrong"...
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by Rusty Sites
<Spame...@spamex.com>:
>On 6/21/2010 9:52 PM, JacobSmith wrote:
>> Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>>
>>
>
>What do you think?
>
>a) Loki. I was convinced this was it about half way through. Did anybody
>else find the first half of this uproariously funny? I actually laughed
>out loud a few times.
Why assume malice when it's easily explained by stupidity?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Eric Root
<er...@swva.net>:
>On Jun 21, 9:52 pm, JacobSmith <tinst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>
>(snip)
>
>>
>> read more »
>
>Like anybody's going to "read more."
>
>Why don't you fix your subject line? "Theory of Evolution Is Death In
>Ignorance" is clumsily written and doesn't convey any meaning.
Then it correctly reflects the content of his post, as it
should.
<snip>
Rusty Sites
> On Jun 22, 12:06 am, Rusty Sites<SpameYou...@spamex.com> wrote:
>> On 6/21/2010 9:52 PM, JacobSmith wrote:
>>
>>> Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> a) Loki. I was convinced this was it about half way through.
>
> You loser! _Some_ people don't have to get halfway through a cowpie
> to realize it isn't food!<8^)
There may have been a significant exogenous factor.
>
>> Did anybody
>> else find the first half of this uproariously funny? I actually laughed
>> out loud a few times.
>>
>
> The only "uproariously funny" part I saw was the "read more" at the
> bottom of the screen.
I thought the schizophrenics were funny, too.
>
>> b) Schizophrenic. Many parts of it sound very much like recordings of
>> schizophrenics that I have heard somewhere.
>>
>> c) Just a regular nut job.
>
> If he's a Loki, he's a near-genius.
I was thinking that for a little while.
Moist Lipwig
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Maybe I should put a coupla plates on the bar.
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Desertphile
<Spame...@spamex.com> wrote:
> On 6/21/2010 9:52 PM, JacobSmith wrote:
> > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
> What do you think?
> a) Loki. I was convinced this was it about half way through. Did anybody
> else find the first half of this uproariously funny? I actually laughed
> out loud a few times.
Sadly, some people are as fucked up in the head as "JacobSmith"
appears to be.
> b) Schizophrenic. Many parts of it sound very much like recordings of
> schizophrenics that I have heard somewhere.
More like the writing of L. Ron Hubbard.
> c) Just a regular nut job.
--
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"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Desertphile
<tins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
What language is this title written in?
John S. Wilkins
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT), JacobSmith
> <tins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>
> What language is this title written in?
Gibberish, a dialect of Moronic.
Ron O
> Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT), JacobSmith
> > <tinst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>
> > What language is this title written in?
>
> Gibberish, a dialect of Moronic.
> --
> But al be that he was a philosophre,
> Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
How did you know that he speaks the Moronic dialect handed down from
the angel Moroni? Joseph Smith was supposed to be able to interpret
it too.
Ron Okimoto
John S. Wilkins
> On Jun 24, 7:51 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
> > Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT), JacobSmith
> > > <tinst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
> >
> > > What language is this title written in?
> >
> > Gibberish, a dialect of Moronic.
>
> How did you know that he speaks the Moronic dialect handed down from
> the angel Moroni? Joseph Smith was supposed to be able to interpret
> it too.
>
I have these magical spectacles...
JacobSmith
> Ron O <rokim...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Jun 24, 7:51 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
> > > Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT), JacobSmith
> > > > <tinst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>
> > > > What language is this title written in?
>
> > > Gibberish, a dialect of Moronic.
>
> > How did you know that he speaks the Moronic dialect handed down from
> > the angel Moroni? Joseph Smith was supposed to be able to interpret
> > it too.
>
> I have these magical spectacles...
> --
> But al be that he was a philosophre,
> Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
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REPLY: SCIENCE and RELIGION
Why does there need to be a conflict between religion
and science? Any scientific truth validates true religion.
Real evidence is a manifestation of reality, and reasoning
does not include imputing others who disagree with facts.
So what are the facts? The issue is deeper than the theory
of evolution. Evolution stems from the creation of the very
Universe, by creatio ex nihilo, or the classical Big Bang, the
theoretical atheistic account of the origin of the universe,
which contradicts the reality that there is no real vacuum.
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/creation.html
Questions therefore arise: Is the Universe Leaking Energy?
[Total energy must be conserved. Every student of physics
learns this fundamental law. The trouble is, it does not apply
to the universe as a whole] . . . "We have come to the limit
of our cherished conservation principles: when time and
space themselves are mutable, time symmetry is lost,
and conservation of energy need no longer hold.". . .
"Thus, the total energy of the universe is neither conserved
nor lost--it is just undefinable." . . . "Thus, the universe
does not violate the conservation of energy: rather it
lies outside that law's jurisdiction."
Tamara M. Davis, Ph. D. article in Scientific American, pgs.
39-43, 46-47; July 2010 Issue.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-the-universe-leaking-energy
Dr. Davis states "Our telescopes are now so powerful
that we are able to see back to when the first galaxies
were forming and beyond to the piping-hot afterglow
of the big bang itself. The light we are seeing has been
traveling for billions of years, and in all that time, the
first thing it has hit is the mirror of our telescope. The
wavelengths of that light are our key to assessing
conservation."
Wikipedia has a List of Space Telescopes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_telescopes
"All modern cosmological models are based on
the cosmological principle that our observational
location in the universe is in no way unusual or
special: on a large enough scale, the universe
looks the same in all directions (isotropy) and
from every location (homogeneity)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model
"The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP)
-- also known as the Microwave Anisotropy Probe (MAP),
and Explorer 80 — is a spacecraft which measures
differences in the temperature of the Big Bang's
remnant radiant heat--the Cosmic Microwave
Background Radiation — across the full sky."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy_Probe
. . .
"The Seven-year WMAP data were released on
26 January 2010. According to this data the
Universe is 13.75 ±0.11 bln. years old. The
existence of unexplained energy asymmetry
for small scale activity has been confirmed,
half the sky 'starkly differing' from the other.
Most notably there is a quadruplar effect of
power vaying over 4 quadrants. This is also
asymmetric in frequency banding. The main
peak seems to have an exraordinary correlation
with the ecliptic pole, the planets orbital direction
round the sun. The reports stress the results
may not necessarily be considered 'anomalous'
as such, but nonetheless have not yet found
and are investigating possible causes. "
DEFINITION: anomalous
1 : inconsistent with or deviating from what is
usual, normal, or expected : irregular, unusual
2 a : of uncertain nature or classification
b : marked by incongruity or contradiction :
paradoxical.
"We examine several potential or previously
claimed anomalies in the sky maps and power
spectra, including cold spots, low quadrupole
power, quadropole-octupole alignment,
hemispherical or dipole power asymmetry,
and quadrupole power asymmetry."
http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.4758
"The Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker
(FLRW) metric is an exact solution of Einstein's
field equations of general relativity; it describes
a simply connected, homogeneous, isotropic
expanding OR CONTRACTING universe."
(OR CONTRACTING emphasis mine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann%E2%80%93Lema%C3%AEtre%E2%80%93Robertson%E2%80%93Walker_metric
"FLRW model is used as a first approximation
for the evolution of the real, lumpy universe
because it is simple to calculate, and models
which calculate the lumpiness in the universe
are added onto the FLRW models as extensions.
Most cosmologists agree that the observable
universe is well approximated by an almost
FLRW model, i.e., a model which follows the
FLRW metric apart from primordial density
fluctuations. As of 2003[update], the theoretical
implications of the various extensions to the FLRW
model appear to be well understood, and the goal
is to make these consistent with observations
from COBE and WMAP."
Medieval Jewish, Christian and Islamic philosophers
had a misunderstanding of the Abrahamic view of
creation, which was a spacetime limited examination
of process related to this Earth, representative of
the total universe that creates and conserves in
an infinite cyclic manner, the good, better and best.
Bottom line: observations of the physical Universe
must be compatible with the life observed in it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle
. . . "the detection and formulation of this principle
born from a long and laborious history of scientific
observations, trials and errors, studying, ingenuity
and inventions of necessary instrumentation does
make this an intellectual domain exclusive to humans
over against all other life forms on earth and beyond,
so far as science has observed."
Humans do occupy a privileged position in the Universe.
They are the spirit children of an Eternal Father who
allows them to be born on an earth and obtain physical
bodies, which in turn can become immortal and eternal,
through the blood and atoning sacrifice of the Son of God.
Creationism: The Creator Father designed the Earth within
our Solar System, as part of His Universe, with the purpose
of supporting complexity (His spirit children); the emergence
of contained spirit intelligence within physical mortal bodies.
Every human observer on this Earth, or elsewhere, occupies
restrictive, unusual and privileged location within the universe
as a whole, judged as observers of the physical phenomena
produced by uniform and universal laws of physics.
Dakota
> On Jun 24, 6:33 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
>> Ron O<rokim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Jun 24, 7:51 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
>>>> Desertphile<desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT), JacobSmith
>>>>> <tinst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>>
>>>>> What language is this title written in?
>>
>>>> Gibberish, a dialect of Moronic.
>>
>>> How did you know that he speaks the Moronic dialect handed down from
>>> the angel Moroni? Joseph Smith was supposed to be able to interpret
>>> it too.
>>
>> I have these magical spectacles...
>> --
>> John S. Wilkins, Philosophy, University of Sydneyhttp://evolvingthoughts.net
>> But al be that he was a philosophre,
>> Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
>
> -------------------------------------------
> REPLY: SCIENCE and RELIGION
> Why does there need to be a conflict between religion
> and science? Any scientific truth validates true religion.
>
Conversely, true religion must then accept scientific truth as
validating. Does yours? Do you know of a religion that does? If not, why
not?
>
> Real evidence is a manifestation of reality, and reasoning
> does not include imputing others who disagree with facts.
>
I shall be careful so as not to impute anyone.
>
> So what are the facts? The issue is deeper than the theory
> of evolution. Evolution stems from the creation of the very
> Universe, by creatio ex nihilo, or the classical Big Bang, the
> theoretical atheistic account of the origin of the universe,
> which contradicts the reality that there is no real vacuum.
> http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/creation.html
>
Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the universe.
From your link:
"Leadership U. is a project of Christian Leadership Ministries, part of
Campus Crusade for Christ, International."
Clearly, Christian Leadership Ministries do not accept scientific truth.
Ergo they do not represent true religion.
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
"JacobSmith" <tins...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5b6dc2d6-879a-46dc...@j7g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 24, 6:33 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
>> Ron O <rokim...@cox.net> wrote:
>> > On Jun 24, 7:51 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
>> > > Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
>> > > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT), JacobSmith
>> > > > <tinst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
>>
>> > > > What language is this title written in?
>>
>> > > Gibberish, a dialect of Moronic.
>>
>> > How did you know that he speaks the Moronic dialect handed down from
>> > the angel Moroni? Joseph Smith was supposed to be able to interpret
>> > it too.
>>
>> I have these magical spectacles...
>> --
>> John S. Wilkins, Philosophy, University of
>> Sydneyhttp://evolvingthoughts.net
>> But al be that he was a philosophre,
>> Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
>
> -------------------------------------------
> REPLY: SCIENCE and RELIGION
> Why does there need to be a conflict between religion
> and science?
Because onre seeks, and speaks, the truth - and the other babble about
beliving in delusional fairies and pixies.
>Any scientific truth validates true religion.
There is no such thing as "true religion"!
> Real evidence is a manifestation of reality, and reasoning
> does not include imputing others who disagree with facts.
Real evidence IS facts.
You cannot disagree with facts (unless you are one of the many zealous
morons) eithout diagreeing with reality.
>
> So what are the facts? The issue is deeper than the theory
> of evolution. Evolution stems from the creation of the very
> Universe, by creatio ex nihilo, or the classical Big Bang, the
> theoretical atheistic account of the origin of the universe,
> which contradicts the reality that there is no real vacuum.
The reality suggests there is no ABSOLUTE vacuum; not "real".
Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with the big bang, doofus!
The big bang has absolutely nothing to do with atheism - any more than
gravity is a concept of atheism.
Respectfully yours,
Bellowing outrageous, an irrelivant, babble - and expecting us to agree with
you - is an insult.
> Tom Tinney, Sr.
> Who's Who in America,
> Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004
> Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]
> Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory
> http://www.academic-genealogy.com/
A genealogist? One (tiny) step above an astrologer.
Frank J
> Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
I won't read the whole thing to see if it's a parody. But if it's not
you should have no problem telling us whether you agree with anti-
evoluionist Michael Behe that life on earth has been around for
billions of years and that humans share common ancestors with other
species.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
> REPLY: SCIENCE and RELIGION
> Why does there need to be a conflict between religion
> and science? Any scientific truth validates true religion.
Therefore, religion that is invalidated by scientific truth is false
religion.
> Real evidence is a manifestation of reality, and reasoning
> does not include imputing others who disagree with facts.
>
> So what are the facts?
Well, don't count on finding them in Wikipedia. Or even in Scientific
American.
Would anyone like to comment on their angle on autism from a few years
ago that I treated unfavourably? Or did I do that somewhere else?
Whatever, they suck now.
Desertphile
<tins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 6:33 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
> > Ron O <rokim...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > On Jun 24, 7:51 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
> > > > Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT), JacobSmith
> > > > > <tinst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Theory of Evolution Is Death In Ignorance
> >
> > > > > What language is this title written in?
> >
> > > > Gibberish, a dialect of Moronic.
> >
> > > How did you know that he speaks the Moronic dialect handed down from
> > > the angel Moroni? Joseph Smith was supposed to be able to interpret
> > > it too.
> >
> > I have these magical spectacles...
> Why does there need to be a conflict between religion
> and science?
Because religion is hostile to the truth.
JacobSmith
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REPLY:
Evolution has everything to do
with the creation of the universe.
"In a strictly FLRW model, there are no clusters
of galaxies, stars or people, since these are objects
much denser than a typical part of the universe.
Nonetheless, the FLRW model is used as a first
approximation for the evolution of the real, lumpy
universe because it is simple to calculate, and
models which calculate the lumpiness in the
universe are added onto the FLRW models as
extensions."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann%E2%80%93Lema%C3%AEtre%E2%80%93Robertson%E2%80%93Walker_metric