Ken Ham's List of Approved Colleges for Creationism

Pierre Stromberg

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Dec 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/2/97

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During Ken Ham's recent foray into Seattle, he provided the audience
with a list of colleges that met with his approval regarding young-earth
creationism. I've reproduced the list here for your enjoyment. Please keep
in mind that I do not share Ken Ham's views on creationism.

Pierre Stromberg
Pacific Northwest Skeptics
http://www.eskimo.com/~pierres/

Colleges Suggested by Answers in Genesis

1) Cedarvill Christian College, Box 601, Cedarville, OH 45314
Phone: (513) 766-2211

2) Clearwater Christian College, 3400 Gulf-to-Bay Blvd.,
Clearwater, FL 34619; Phone (813) 726-1153

3) Pensacola Christian College, 5409 Rawson Rd., Pensacola, FL
32523; Phone (904) 478-8496

4) Masters College, 21726 West Pacerita Canyon Rd., Newhall,
CA 91322; Phone (805) 259-3540

5) Mid-America Baptist Theological Seminary, 2810 Curry Rd. Ext.,
Schenectady, NY 12303; Phone: (518) 355-4000

6) Masters Seminary, 13248 Roscoe Blvd., Sun Valley, CA 91352;
Phone (800)225-5867

7) Appalachian Bible College, 100 N. Sandbranch Rd., Bradley, WV
25818; Phone (304) 877-6428

8) Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary, 4801 Allen Road,
Allen Park, MI 48101; Phone (800) 866-0111

9) Southeastern Bible College, 3001 Highway 280 East, Birmingham,
AL 92871

10)Bahnsen Theological Seminary, P.O. Box 328, Placentia, CA
92871; Phone (714) 572-8358

11)Word of Life Bible Institute, Pottersville, NY 12860;
Phone (518) 494-4723

12)Jackson Hole Bible College, P.O. Box 6490, Jackson, WY 83002,
Phone: (307) 739-8630

13)Seattle Bible College, 2363 N.W. 80th Street, Seattle, WA
98117-4399; Phone (206) 784-1888

14)Christian Heritage College, 2100 Greenfield Drive, El Cajon, CA
92019-1157; Phone (619) 440-0209

Note: This is not intended to be a comprehensive list of all schools
that teach a literal Genesis. The colleges represented on this list
have taken a public stand, often in their own statement of faith, on
a belief in a young Earth, six 24-hour days, no death before sin, and
a global Flood.

Arne W Flones

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Pierre Stromberg wrote:
> Colleges Suggested by Answers in Genesis

> 1) Cedarvill Christian Colleg[snip]

>
>
> Note: This is not intended to be a comprehensive list of all schools
> that teach a literal Genesis. The colleges represented on this list
> have taken a public stand, often in their own statement of faith, on
> a belief in a young Earth, six 24-hour days, no death before sin, and
> a global Flood.

Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize in Biology. I imagine with all the
brain power emanating from their biology departments, they could
get a Nobel in no time.

At a normal biology department:
"Publish science or perish"
At a Creationist biology department:
"Publish science _and_ perish, we'll throw in damnation for free."

--
With tongue planted firmly in cheek,

Arne W. Flones
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Herb Huston

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In article <3484C61C...@stop.all.spam> flon...@stop.all.spam writes:
}Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize in Biology.

Biologists have been awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine or Physiology.
In particular, check the 1973 laureates.

However, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awards the Crafoord Prize to
evolutionary biologists. Some winners have been Robert May (1996), William
D. Hamilton (1993), and Edward O. Wilson (1990).

-- Herb Huston
-- hus...@access.digex.net
-- http://www.access.digex.net/~huston

Arne W Flones

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Dec 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/2/97

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Herb,

I never understood the classifications of Nobel Prizes. They give a
prize in economics, but not mathematics; medicine, but not biology.
Go figure.

I was unaware of the Crafoord award. I'll have to look that one up.
My field is physics, so I guess it's not surprising.

Cheers,
Arne

Herb Huston

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Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97

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In article <3484D0F5...@stop.all.spam> flon...@stop.all.spam writes:
}I never understood the classifications of Nobel Prizes. They give a
}prize in economics, but not mathematics; medicine, but not biology.
}Go figure.

The original categories, i.e., Physics, Chemistry, Medicine or Physiology,
Literature, and Peace, were all specified by Alfred Nobel himself in his
holographic will (he wrote it on part of a telegram form). In the early
days his dead hand even guided the Nobel judges, many of whom had known him
personally. It's thought that they passed over Tolstoy for the Literature
prize because Nobel hadn't liked Russian novels.

The Economics Prize was added only recently in 1968. It's funded
separately from the others.

}I was unaware of the Crafoord award. I'll have to look that one up.
}My field is physics, so I guess it's not surprising.

The Crafoord is named for a Swedish industrialist (his company manufactured
artificial kidneys) and his wife and has been awarded since 1982. There's
a scheme for rotating the prize through the fields of biosciences, geo-
sciences, astronomy, and mathematics. 1997 was an astronomy year, and the
winners were Fred Hoyle and Edwin Salpeter; they get to split $500,000.
There's more at http://www.kva.se/eng/pg/prizes/crafoord/.

Kenneth Fair

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In article <1997120303...@access5.digex.net>,
hus...@access.digex.net wrote:

>In article <3484D0F5...@stop.all.spam> flon...@stop.all.spam writes:
>}I never understood the classifications of Nobel Prizes. They give a
>}prize in economics, but not mathematics; medicine, but not biology.
>}Go figure.
>
>The original categories, i.e., Physics, Chemistry, Medicine or Physiology,
>Literature, and Peace, were all specified by Alfred Nobel himself in his
>holographic will (he wrote it on part of a telegram form). In the early
>days his dead hand even guided the Nobel judges, many of whom had known him
>personally. It's thought that they passed over Tolstoy for the Literature
>prize because Nobel hadn't liked Russian novels.

I heard a rumor (which may be apocryphal) that Nobel's wife had an affair
with a mathematician and that's why math isn't on the list.

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Kai-Mikael Jää-Aro

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Herb Huston wrote:
>
> In article <3484D0F5...@stop.all.spam> flon...@stop.all.spam writes:
> }I never understood the classifications of Nobel Prizes. They give a
> }prize in economics, but not mathematics; medicine, but not biology.
> }Go figure.
>
> The original categories, i.e., Physics, Chemistry, Medicine or Physiology,
> Literature, and Peace, were all specified by Alfred Nobel himself in his
> holographic will (he wrote it on part of a telegram form).
>

> The Economics Prize was added only recently in 1968. It's funded
> separately from the others.

Strictly speaking it's not a Nobel Prize at all, it's a prize in memory
of Alfred Nobel that happens to awarded simultaneously with the Nobel
Prizes. (Lest economists think they are someone :-)

Furthermore Kenneth Fair wrote:

>
> I heard a rumor (which may be apocryphal) that Nobel's wife had an affair
> with a mathematician and that's why math isn't on the list.

Nobel never was married, so it is most decidedly apocryphal. Actually,
the usual version of this myth is a rivalry with mathematician Gösta
Mittag-Leffler over Sonja Kovalevskaja, professor in math at Stockholm
University, but as far as I can tell neither of the men had anything but
professional interest in professor K.

The real reason is that Nobel wanted his prize to be awarded to
*practical inventions* and he simply did not see mathematical research
as being practically useful. The wording of his will says (paraphrased)
"being of the most utility to humanity during the past year", which I
think most modern Nobel Prizes do not really fit, but that is a function
of the nominating institutions.

--
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Adam Noel Harris

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Herb Huston <hus...@access.digex.net> wrote:

:In article <3484C61C...@stop.all.spam> flon...@stop.all.spam writes:
:}Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize in Biology.
:
:Biologists have been awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine or Physiology.
:In particular, check the 1973 laureates.

The 1995 winners of the Prize in Medicine were three fruit fly
geneticists. Cool.

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In article <slrn68b4ke...@elaine15.stanford.edu>

ad...@stanford.edu.XX writes:
}Herb Huston <hus...@access.digex.net> wrote:

}:In article <3484C61C...@stop.all.spam> flon...@stop.all.spam writes:
}:}Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize in Biology.
}:

}:Biologists have been awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine or Physiology.
}:In particular, check the 1973 laureates.
}

}The 1995 winners of the Prize in Medicine were three fruit fly
}geneticists. Cool.

Check who the 1933 laureate was.

Thomas Galen Ault

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In article <slrn68b4ke...@elaine15.Stanford.EDU>,

Adam Noel Harris <ad...@stanford.edu.XX> wrote:
>Herb Huston <hus...@access.digex.net> wrote:
>:In article <3484C61C...@stop.all.spam> flon...@stop.all.spam writes:
>:}Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize in Biology.

Perhaps the distinguished(1) faculty of the University of Ediacara could
correct this situation. All we need is some sucker^H^H^H^H^H^H^Herr...
"generous donor" to kick the bucket and leave the University a large endowment.
(Plus the willpower on the part of the faculty to not blow it all on beer.)

Some suggested Prizes:

-The Ed Conrad Prize in Paleontology
For the most "unique" contribution to the field of Paleontology in the
past year.

-The Holden Prize in Historical Physics
For the most interesting (mis)application of physics to support ancient
mythology as historical fact. Sometimes called the "Holden Prize in
Hysterical Physics."

-The Holden Prize in Literature
For ah..."unique" literary works attempting to discredit "establishment
science." (cf. "The Conversion of Raoul Jose Tokovar")

-The Crawford Award in Evilutionary Biology
For the most stunning refutation of Evolutionary Biology posted within
the past year. Correctness of one's facts is strictly optional.

-The Jabriol Award in Sociobiology
For the most oustanding contribution linking Evolution to societal evils,
both past and present. Like the Crawford Award, factuality is optional.

-The Nyikos Posting Award
Awarded to the first poster to exceed Peter Nyikos in posting volume
over the past year.

-The MacRae Prize in Experimental Science
Recipients of this prize must have gone above and beyond the call of duty
and experimentally tested the claims of someone disputing established
science. He or she must have presented the results in a clear, easily
understood, and accessible fashion; and displayed extraordinary patience
in dealing with the inevitable rantings of the person whose claim he or
she tested. This award shall be given to the person or persons who
best exemplify these qualities within the past year, if any such person
can be found.

-The Tero Sand Memorial Award
Awarded in memory of Tero Sand ("Semper Allouata"), this prize goes to
the best refutation of Creationism posted within the past year.

-The Combined Holden/Conrad/Crawford/Nyikos/Gish Award in Intellectual Honesty
Awarded to the one poster, who in the past year, has best demonstrated
the level of intellectual and scientific honesty we have all come to
expect from Creationists, Neo-Catastrophists, Egomaniacs, and other of
their ilk.

-The Award For Outstanding Dariosity
Awarded to the author or authors of the post gives off the highest
level of Dariousity(tm) within the past year. (Dariousity and its unit
of measurement, the Darian, are named for Darius LeCointe. You do
remember Darius LeCointe, don't you? No? Lucky you.)

-The Ostentatious Ph.D.
Also called the "Nyikos Doctorate," the Ostentatious Ph.D. shall be awared
to the poster, who, in the past year, has (ab)used his or her academic
credentials most egregiously to claim that he or she is much superior to
anyone else in any field of academic endeavor.

(1) Well, some of them are, anyway.

Tom Ault

PZ Myers

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In article <1997120602...@access5.digex.net>,
hus...@access.digex.net wrote:

> In article <slrn68b4ke...@elaine15.stanford.edu>
> ad...@stanford.edu.XX writes:

> }Herb Huston <hus...@access.digex.net> wrote:
> }:In article <3484C61C...@stop.all.spam> flon...@stop.all.spam writes:
> }:}Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize in Biology.

> }:
> }:Biologists have been awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine or Physiology.
> }:In particular, check the 1973 laureates.
> }
> }The 1995 winners of the Prize in Medicine were three fruit fly
> }geneticists. Cool.
>
> Check who the 1933 laureate was.

And 1935...a developmental biologist.

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Nah, delicate egos wither and die rapidly on TO; they don't persist
long enough to get dragged into cascades.

>
> Now what were we talking about?

*Obviously*, "biologists in general" and the awarding of Nobel prizes.
A few pathetically misled and incorrigible individuals have attempted
to sidetrack it into a discussion of fruit fly biologists exclusively.

Really. All you had to do was look at the comment *I* made to see the
truth of the matter.

>
> Chris

--
PZ Myers

Matt Silberstein

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Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97

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I am forced by my position in the pack to agree completely with Paul.
And you are all net.* for objecting.

Matt Silberstein
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John Holmes

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Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97

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Kenneth Fair :

> I heard a rumor (which may be apocryphal) that Nobel's wife had an affair
> with a mathematician and that's why math isn't on the list.
>

I think that was apocryphal and the subject of a long thread on
alt.folklore.urban (entitled something like "No Nobel prize in
mathematics"). If interested check DejaNews or the a.f.u. archives
www.urbanlegends.com.

Cheers

John.

Daniel Key

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John Holmes <hol...@smart.net.au> wrote in article
<01bd0458$786bb640$LocalHost@default>...

I think I heard that pure math wasn't on the list as Nobel believed it to
be useless. I'm not sure though, feel free to challenge me.

--
Daniel Key

"Watch where an enemy attacks you most, for it is his
own weakest point." Sun Tzu, The Art of War