On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:
> jillery wrote:
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>> Once again, what happened 100,000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, or
>> even 1,000 years ago, doesn't inform what is happening now.
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>Good dog!
>
>You're *Very* well trained!
>
>In the real world though, outside the propaganda, comparing the
>Holocene interglacial to the Eemian interglacial is valid.
The Eemian interglacial doesn't inform the rapid changes happening
now.
>Comparing the Holocene interglacial to itself is not.
The Holocene interglacial doesn't inform the rapid changes happening
now.
>> Instead,
>> what is happening now are effects resulting from anthropogenic causes
>
>That is a "Conclusions" -- an article of faith -- derived from the
>exposure to extensive propaganda.
"that" refers to measured data of rapid sea level rise and
acidification, polar and glacial ice loss, and atmospheric CO2
increase. To call these data an article of faith is the propaganda
here.
>If you look at the Eemian
>interglacial, study what an interglacial WITHOUT fossil fuels
>looks like, humans have cooled the planet.
Why focus on the Eemian interglacial? The Earth was even warmer
during the PETM, which makes your Eemian interglacial look arctic in
comparison. You're rationalizing an arbitrary starting point.
>Actually, if you look at totally normal and natural peaks in
>temperature WITHIN the Holocene, and compare them to
>today, we have cooled the planet.
The present is WITHIN the Holocene. You previously claimed that was
an invalid comparison.
But go ahead and cite any data from "WITHIN the Holocene" that shows
rapid changes similar to what's happening now.
>It's like this: You lend me $100. I pay you back $90. You
>aren't $90 richer, you're $10 poorer. And just like that it got
>cold during "The Little Ice Age." When that ended it warmed
>up, but not by as much as was lost during "The Little Ice
>Age."
Incorrect. The more accurate and relevant analogy is instead of
giving me $90 at once, you give me $1 a year for 90 years. There's a
difference.
>This has to do with the fact that fossil fuels are cooling
>engines. First of there's the particles, "Particulates." They're
>tiny but when you start gushing giga tons of them into the
>atmosphere they add up. They shade the planet. Again,
>only by the most minuscule amount but, given the giga tons.
>there's not a tiny amount of surface area.
>
>AND THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A LOT!
>
>Even worse though is the sulfur. The sulfur doesn't shade
>the planet, no, it reduces the amount of sunlight getting
>here in the first place.
>
>Sulfur converts into an aerosol in the atmosphere, reflecting
>the sun's energy back out into space so it never even gets
>to the point where it's shaded...
What you describe above is similar to the conditions of most populated
areas before WWII, due to burning coal. Look up acid rain. Compare
the conditions in London then with Peking today.
>> with rates of change unprecedented in the past.
>
>This is bullshit. It's ignorance. It's a religious believe,
>contrary to facts. The climate has changed overnight, and
>on a geologic time scale this is even frequent!
>
>Cooling is the more common event. Volcanoes are
>massive climate drivers, and the cool. A very large volcano
>can easily eclipse any kind of "Emissions" we humans
>could manage, plunging the earth into what is called a
>"Volcanic Winter."
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https://www.usgs.gov/programs/VHP/volcanoes-can-affect-climate>
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In 2010, human activities were responsible for a projected 35 billion
metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions. All studies to date of global
volcanic carbon dioxide emissions indicate that present-day subaerial
and submarine volcanoes release less than a percent of the carbon
dioxide released currently by human activities.
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>Hmm. Billowing all that CO2, sulfur & particles into the
>atmosphere plunges us into a "Volcanic Winter," by far
>less and it overheats the planet?
>
>Stupidity.
>
>If you knew anything about human origins you'd already
>know that you're full of shit.
I agree that your comments above are of the same quality as your
comments about human origins.