FACTS about aliens

[JTEM is my hero]

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There really are facts, like the fact that if there's any
aliens out there searching, they found us already.

The planet has been signaling the universe for some
2 billion years: "There's life here! If you're searching
for alien life then look no further, you found us!"

Of course they'd have no way of knowing if we were
all plants and bugs, or dinosaurs or Nobel Prize
nominated climate scientists, like Greta van Derp.

But they would know that there's life on earth. There's
been bio signatures for billions of years already...





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[jillery]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 13:28:42 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my hero
<jte...@gmail.com> wrote:

>There really are facts, like the fact that if there's any
>aliens out there searching, they found us already.

Plausibly, if you limit your scope to this galaxy. Distances between
stars are daunting enough. Distances between galaxies are literally a
million times greater.

>The planet has been signaling the universe for some
>2 billion years: "There's life here! If you're searching
>for alien life then look no further, you found us!"
>
>Of course they'd have no way of knowing if we were
>all plants and bugs, or dinosaurs or Nobel Prize
>nominated climate scientists, like Greta van Derp.
>
>But they would know that there's life on earth. There's
>been bio signatures for billions of years already...


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You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

[JTEM is my hero]

jillery wrote:

> Plausibly, if you limit your scope to this galaxy. Distances between
> stars are daunting enough. Distances between galaxies are literally a
> million times greater.

True. But if we go with Dwarf Galaxies then another galaxy is closer
to us than the further side of the Milky Way:

https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/features/cosmic/nearest_galaxy_info.html

The Great Oxidation Event took place, here on Earth, some 2 billion
years ago. Though 2 billion light years is probably way too far to make
any useful observations, in theory at least that's how far away a planet
can rest and still detect the fact that the earth is a life bearing world.

Because life had already altered the atmosphere.

The biosphere, actually.

Certainly any planet no further from us than the James Webb Space
Telescope can see would know we were here, if they reached our
technological level within the last couple of billion years.

There has been WAY more than enough time for a distant civilization
to detect us, launch a probe in our direct only to go extinct, all
before the dinosaurs evolved... possibly before the Cambrian
Explosion!




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[*Hemidactylus*]

JTEM is my hero <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[snip

>
> There has been WAY more than enough time for a distant civilization
> to detect us, launch a probe in our direct only to go extinct, all
> before the dinosaurs evolved... possibly before the Cambrian
> Explosion!
>

Were you the recipient of one of their probes?

[jillery]

It's not a matter of time but of distance. Detecting data that are
evidence of life on other planets requires the ability to directly
image planets, which is way more challenging than identifying the
existence of extrasolar planets orbiting stars via indirect methods.

The following link identifies approximately 30 planets which currently
have been directly imaged:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_directly_imaged_exoplanets>

The most distant ones are only (!) 500 light-years from Earth,
cosmological neighbors.

My understanding is detecting planets like Earth orbiting stars like
our Sun from another galaxy, is not just beyond our current
technology, but beyond our current understanding of physics. I
acknowledge my understanding could be wrong.

[JTEM is my hero]

jillery wrote:

> It's not a matter of time but of distance. Detecting data that are
> evidence of life on other planets requires the ability to directly
> image planets, which is way more challenging than identifying the
> existence of extrasolar planets orbiting stars via indirect methods.

It's one of the primary missions of the James Webb Space
Telescope, and even that can step beyond the technology
and take advantage of Gravitational Lensing.

Some sources are claiming that it might find worlds out to 30
light years. Most don't even put a limit on things, though we
all know that there has to be one.

> The following link identifies approximately 30 planets which currently
> have been directly imaged:

It's also important to remember that space has not been a
very high priority for humanity. It may seem that way at times,
but even our moon technology could have been adapted to a
Mars mission.

Part of it was probably the moon. Once the moon dust was
proven to be such an issue, that virtually put an end to all
hope of anything beyond brief missions. And without that
moon base everyone thought we'd have before now, we had
lost our launchpad to Mars and beyond.

But we certainly could have thrown a lot more money and
resources into propulsion system. Just watched one video
claiming that if we fully developed some proposals, like
using nuclear warheads, we could already be a matter of
years -- NOT centuries -- away from Proxima Centauri.

And I've often pointed out how the government flushes
down tens of billions on war in the Ukraine, which could
have funded the search for life in a number of bodies
within our solar system, plural.

> My understanding is detecting planets like Earth orbiting stars like
> our Sun from another galaxy, is not just beyond our current
> technology, but beyond our current understanding of physics. I
> acknowledge my understanding could be wrong.

The number-crunchers claim that there should be hundreds
of candidates within 30 light years to us.

Here:

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

They're claiming $75 billion to the Ukraine when the U.S. has
no economic interests and even less strategic interests.

That's like 3x NASA's budget!

We just don't prioritize this stuff. So if another civilization was
at our exact same technological level. or even a decade or two
behind but had better priorities, they probably already found us,
even if they live a few dozen light years away. Probably if they
lived within 100 light years of us. Simply because they would
have done it.

If they're more advanced than we are: All bets are off!




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[JTEM is my hero]

*Hemidactylus* wrote:

> Were

Let me put it this way:

We can't send our best tech to the moon, or Mars
or any of the potential life bearing moons in our
solar system. I'm talking spy satellite quality
imaging. And we can't do it because that would be
telling countries like Russia and China exactly
what we can and can't see.

Change the dynamic just a little. Instead of "Races"
and "ethnicities" and "Nationalities" you have a
single homogeneous; the absence of our divides &
conflicts. That alone frees up the better part of
government budgets, and lifts the concerns for
"National Security."

The United States has 11 aircraft carriers! Move
all that manpower, all that money, all that R&D to
space exploration and the search for life. You just
completely transformed science as we know it.

A shift in priorities, the elimination of some concerns
and we're already talking next-level if not LEVELS,
plural.

The potential is great, even if yours is not.





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[jillery]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 04:12:09 -0700 (PDT), JTEM wrote:

> jillery wrote:
>
>> It's not a matter of time but of distance. Detecting data that are
>> evidence of life on other planets requires the ability to directly
>> image planets, which is way more challenging than identifying the
>> existence of extrasolar planets orbiting stars via indirect methods.
>
>It's one of the primary missions of the James Webb Space
>Telescope, and even that can step beyond the technology
>and take advantage of Gravitational Lensing.
>
>Some sources are claiming that it might find worlds out to 30
>light years. Most don't even put a limit on things, though we
>all know that there has to be one.
>
>> The following link identifies approximately 30 planets which currently
>> have been directly imaged:
>>

>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_directly_imaged_exoplanets>
>>
>>The most distant ones are only (!) 500 light-years from Earth,
>>cosmological neighbors.
>>

Here's another way to think about it. The volume of the Milky Way
Galaxy is about 17 x 10^12 cubic light-years. Compare that volume to
a sphere with a diameter of 30 light-years (1 × 10^5), or even 500
light-years (5 × 10^8). Assuming life is distributed more or less
evenly through the galaxy, that ratio would be the probability of
detecting other life within that sphere, about the same as all the
billionaires in the world paying off the U.S. national debt.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:15:21 UTC+1, JTEM is my hero wrote:
> jillery wrote:
>
> > Plausibly, if you limit your scope to this galaxy. Distances between
> > stars are daunting enough. Distances between galaxies are literally a
> > million times greater.
> True. But if we go with Dwarf Galaxies then another galaxy is closer
> to us than the further side of the Milky Way:
>
> https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/features/cosmic/nearest_galaxy_info.html
>
> The Great Oxidation Event took place, here on Earth, some 2 billion
> years ago. Though 2 billion light years is probably way too far to make
> any useful observations, in theory at least that's how far away a planet
> can rest and still detect the fact that the earth is a life bearing world.
>
> Because life had already altered the atmosphere.
>
> The biosphere, actually.
>
> Certainly any planet no further from us than the James Webb Space
> Telescope can see would know we were here, if they reached our
> technological level within the last couple of billion years.

The telescopes cannot see planets or single stars which are
2 billion light years away, with very rare exceptions, like:
<https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2022/record-broken-hubble-spots-farthest-star-ever-seen>

> There has been WAY more than enough time for a distant civilization
> to detect us, launch a probe in our direct only to go extinct, all
> before the dinosaurs evolved... possibly before the Cambrian
> Explosion!

Leaving out the expansion of the universe, and not being able
to see us anyway, aliens one billion years away from us
would only now be reaching us with death rays projected from
their world a billion years ago.

[JTEM is my hero]

jillery wrote:

> Here's another way to think about it. The volume of the Milky Way
> Galaxy is about 17 x 10^12 cubic light-years. Compare that volume to
> a sphere with a diameter of 30 light-years (1 × 10^5), or even 500
> light-years (5 × 10^8). Assuming life is distributed more or less
> evenly through the galaxy, that ratio would be the probability of
> detecting other life within that sphere, about the same as all the
> billionaires in the world paying off the U.S. national debt.

I'm not convinced that the distribution is random. It is claimed
that our solar system -- of solar systems -- has a Goldilocks Zone.
This isn't hotly contested. And then there are others that claim
the galaxy has a Goldilocks Zone as well. I actually don't know if
it's mere extrapolation or if there's been some research/numbers
crunching...

The point is, if the earth is within a Goldilocks Zone then it is
reasonable to conclude that the closer a world is to us, the more
likely that life has arisen on it.

Personally, I still argue that it comes down to Panspermia. That,
if any flavor of Panspermia is correct, even a watered down
version were abiogenesis produced life on Mars and then it
jumped to the earth & elsewhere, then life has to be abundant.

AND, if life is abundant, the opportunities for technological
civilizations is far greater.

This is where the Drake Equation steps it. To me it's not
showing up numbers, it's showing how quickly and by how
much the numbers change with our assumptions.






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[JTEM is my hero]

Robert Carnegie wrote:

> The telescopes cannot see planets or single stars which are
> 2 billion light years away, with very rare exceptions, like:
> <https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2022/record-broken-hubble-spots-farthest-star-ever-seen>

It doesn't have to though.

And we're actually talking about light, are we not? They're not
looking for little green men walking around, or floating cities.
This is a spectrum analysis, is it not? They're looking for the
chemical signatures of life -- bio signatures -- or the pollution
from industry (techno signatures).

> Leaving out the expansion of the universe, and not being able
> to see us anyway, aliens one billion years away from us
> would only now be reaching us with death rays projected from
> their world a billion years ago.

Well the galaxy is only a fraction of that distance across, and
even half the galaxy presents hyper huge potential... a quarter
is quite a lot of potential... 10%... 5%...

But the earth has been virtually signally "Life!" for some 2
billion years or so. If they've got the technology and/or the
very lucky alignment of Gravitational Lensing, or just have
been at it for a few billion years themselves, they know
we're here.

And if they're closer, well, that solves THAT problem...




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[jillery]

Goldilocks zones around stars don't inform the distribution of life in
a galaxy. It's plausible there's are Goldilocks zones around
galaxies, but that's also an assumption. The Drake equation is a
useful tool for illustrating the probability of life in a galaxy.

[JTEM is my hero]

jillery wrote:

> Goldilocks zones around stars don't inform the distribution of life in
> a galaxy.

No but a Goldilocks Zone WITHIN the galaxy does, and that is what I
was talking about: It has been proposed that the galaxy has a
Goldilocks Zone.

> The Drake equation is a
> useful tool for illustrating the probability of life in a galaxy.

Not really. What it's really useful for is demonstrate what a HUGE
difference our assumptions make.

https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/tools/drake-equation-calculator.html

I got 261.

i tried it a second time and got 1481.





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[jillery]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT), JTEM wrote:

> jillery wrote:
>
>> Goldilocks zones around stars don't inform the distribution of life in
>> a galaxy.
>
>No but a Goldilocks Zone WITHIN the galaxy does, and that is what I
>was talking about:

*******************************

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 02:33:19 -0700 (PDT), JTEM wrote:

>It is claimed
>that our solar system -- of solar systems -- has a Goldilocks Zone.

********************************

>It has been proposed that the galaxy has a
>Goldilocks Zone.
>
>> The Drake equation is a
>> useful tool for illustrating the probability of life in a galaxy.
>
>Not really. What it's really useful for is demonstrate what a HUGE
>difference our assumptions make.

That's the same thing as what I wrote.

[JTEM is my hero]

jillery wrote:

> That's the same thing as what I wrote.

Lol! You were replying to my saying it!

But this is a Drake Equation calculator. Punch in a guess as values
and see what you get:

https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/tools/drake-equation-calculator.html

I went with the default of 2 stars born each year. Then, in my second
attempt, I Googled it and came up with 6 to 7, so I punched in 6.




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[Robert Carnegie]

I explained some of your errors. You seem to have
not noticed that.

[JTEM is my hero]

Robert Carnegie wrote:

> I explained some of your errors.

http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/resceu/lectures/spectra/spectra.html

How good is this?

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2022/nasa-s-webb-detects-carbon-dioxide-in-exoplanet-atmosphere

It's really all about Biosignatures -- which in turn are detected by
way of this spectrum analysis...

They weren't errors. Not on my part. Your mind is limited.

After all, my cites are to us, humans, right now! Change our
priorities and we could have been doing this stuff DECADES ago.
Advance our technology 50 years, or a century or a millennia and
that 700 light years is your proverbial "Piece of cake."

There's no way the earth is invisible to aliens. If they're within a
hundred light years from us, have better priorities or have more
advanced technology, they've got whole libraries worth of data
on the subject of life on earth.

If they evolved early enough, they could have sent dozens of
probes our way -- hundreds, maybe manned missions -- all long
before the Cambrian Explosion. They could have evolved,
developed their technology for 100,000,000 years and then gone
extinct, all within that first billion years after the Great Oxidation
Event here on earth...

You just plain don't know what you're talking about. And that's
why I'm here. To help you.

JTEM is love. And hugs. And pastels. And help for retards like you.





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[Robert Carnegie]

You claimed that aliens from 2 billion light years away
could arrive tomorrow to find out what happened here
2 billion years ago. They won't. Still leaving out the
universe expanding, it will take them at least another
2 billion years to get here. And if I was the aliens,
I wouldn't count on the Cambrian Explosion ever
happening on Earth. If it has not, then what they will
find is rather unsatisfactory.

Carbon dioxide does not represent life. The atmosphere
of Venus is full of carbon dioxide, but it is not hospitable
to life.

The planet, WASP-39 b, is 13-14 times the size of Earth,
and as you say, it is 700 light years away. Your aliens
are about 3 million times farther away than that.
That is a big number of a difference.

[JTEM is my hero]

Robert Carnegie wrote:

> You claimed that aliens from 2 billion light years away
> could arrive tomorrow to find out what happened here
> 2 billion years ago.

: Though 2 billion light years is probably way too far to make

: any useful observations, in theory at least that's how far
: away a planet can rest and still detect the fact that the
: earth is a life bearing world.

Hmm. There seems to be a discrepancy here: I said one
thing, you trolled and pretended that I've been saying
something else.

This is a thread. There are no one-off statements. They all
exist within the context of the thread.

> Still leaving out the
> universe expanding, it will take them at

You're just barking at your own goddamn straw man.

If you don't like the argument you made up, make up
a different one! That's the beauty of being batshit
crazy. The sky's your limit!

> Carbon dioxide does not represent life.

None of your alters has a lick of reading comprehension,
revealing the fact that it's base, "The Real You" is a
blithering idiot and not just an act, but I cited the NASA
report on how the JWST detected CO2 in the atmosphere
of a distant planet as an example of how effective
spectrum analysis is.

The search for life is looking at light. Not at planets per
se, certainly never the surface of any distant world. We
can never "See" life on other worlds with our present
technology. You didn't grasp this, and you don't right now,
not unless you want to confess to being a stupid troll
who knows he's shit posting.

If you're not confessing to being a troll, that means you
can't grasp HOW we are searching for life...

> The planet, WASP-39 b, is 13-14 times the size of Earth,
> and as you say, it is 700 light years away.

Again, and this was quite clear (and still is), I cited it
as an example of how effective the spectrum analysis is.

You have no reading comprehension and no clue what so
ever as to HOW the search for life on distant worlds is
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[Robert Carnegie]

On Sunday, 9 July 2023 at 16:20:34 UTC+1, JTEM is my hero wrote:
> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
> > You claimed that aliens from 2 billion light years away
> > could arrive tomorrow to find out what happened here
> > 2 billion years ago.
> : Though 2 billion light years is probably way too far to make
> : any useful observations, in theory at least that's how far
> : away a planet can rest and still detect the fact that the
> : earth is a life bearing world.
> Hmm. There seems to be a discrepancy here: I said one
> thing, you trolled and pretended that I've been saying
> something else.

You were. You said also that the aliens have "launched a
probe in our direct".

I don't see the relevance if the probe is not going to
arrive in my lifetime. And I am not young.

[JTEM is my hero]

Robert Carnegie wrote:

> You were.

Everything I said is still there. You are either confessing to being a
mentally unhinged troll, intentionally lying about what I said, or you
are a for real idiot with zero reading comprehension.

> You said also that the aliens have "launched a
> probe in our direct".

It's only been like 30 years since our species has spotted its first
ever exoplanet, and already we're searching for bio signatures in
planets some 700 light years away. Unless life is exceedingly
rare, it's impossible that we haven't been spotted. And if we have
been spotted the chances are greater than zero that technology
was sent in our direction.

It's really about how long ago this would have started, and how
common intelligent life is but, yeah, the odds heavily favor "It's
happened a number of times" over "It's never happened."

Life on other worlds is something of a holy grail for science. It's
a bigger deal than splitting the atom... or anything for that matter.

It's huge. It's massive.

Ultimately, it's what 100% of our space exploration is all about;
the search for life on other worlds.

It's been 47 years since Viking's first experiments searching for
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[Pro Plyd]

Until some aliens are actually found, there are no facts,
only speculation.

[Pro Plyd]

JTEM is my hero wrote:

> There has been WAY more than enough time for a distant civilization
> to detect us, launch a probe in our direct only to go extinct, all

Probing with a probe?

[Pro Plyd]

If so, then one fact would be that considering who they
probed then they don't want it back.

[JTEM is my hero]

Pro Plyd wrote:

> Until some aliens are actually found, there are no facts

No. You're goddamn idiot. That's all.

There's plenty of facts.

And one of those facts is that the earth has been broadcasting
"Biosignatures" for at least 2 billion years.

We found our first exoplanet 30 years ago and already are
scanning worlds 700 light years away in search of life...

Again, it really comes down to how common you want to make
such life, but the odds against us being spotted by an alien
civilization are miniscule.




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[JTEM is my hero]

Pro Plyd wrote:

> If so, then one fact would be that considering who they
> probed then they don't want it back.

Relax. So long as your head remains up there, they won't
have room for a probe.



P.S. Your idiocy here, your pathetic attempts at (f)Lames
reveals the fact that you're a useless narcissist acting out,
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[JTEM is my hero]

Pro Plyd wrote:

> Until some aliens are actually found, there are no facts,

You are scientifically illiterate.

This is in addition to are embarrassing lack of reading
comprehension.

Alien civilizations are a fact, except perhaps to the
feverishly religious who view mankind as God's special,
one-off creation.

So alien civilizations are real. Which means there signals
are reaching us. There signals can't avoid us. I mean,
they're not intelligent signals that sense our existence
and then bend around our planet, avoiding us. The
signals are reaching us. They are just so withered -- weak
and distorted -- that we can't detect them, and if we
somehow could they'd be broken up gibberish anyway.

At this moment in history, alien signals are akin to
microbes prior to the invention of the microscope.

It's probably not even inaccurate to say that alien signals
are to us what various particles were before the invention
of the particle accelerator...

The only signals we would likely be able to detect would
be #1 Signals created specifically to reach us, #2 signals
of alien origins but transmitted from their technology
within our solar system (like a probe) or #3 a signal to
and/or from a spacecraft, as one would presume that
if such craft existed the aliens would be aware that they
require a strong signal to reach it...

If you point a flashlight at the moon, light is going to
reach the moon. Body nobody on the moon could ever
hope to see it. Effectively, this is alien signals to us.

But if aliens are looking, they found us. Our technology
is already searching for bio signatures in the atmosphere
of planets 700 light years away, and we only found our
first exoplanet about 30 years ago.

If aliens are looking, and they're at least as advanced as
we are, they can find out. If they're 50 years ahead of us,
they found us already. If they're a thousand years ahead
of us, they may have already launched probes in our
direction.

We could launch one ourselves, today. Our technology is
good enough. It's our priorities which suck out loud.

If aliens exist, and we all agree that they do, there are
aliens that know we are here. They found the earth, they
detected our bio signatures and at the extreme least
they are aware that life exists on this earth.

We are a magnet for aliens.

Alien life is the ultimate in scientific discovery. And not
just for us, but for them. Any technological civilization
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[jillery]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 23:28:00 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my hero
<jte...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Pro Plyd wrote:
>
>> Until some aliens are actually found, there are no facts,
>
>You are scientifically illiterate.
>
>This is in addition to are embarrassing lack of reading
>comprehension.
>
>Alien civilizations are a fact, except perhaps to the
>feverishly religious who view mankind as God's special,
>one-off creation.

Alien civilizations are plausible. They aren't a fact until you can
point to one. There's a difference.

[Öö Tiib]

On Saturday, 15 July 2023 at 09:30:41 UTC+3, JTEM is my hero wrote:
> Pro Plyd wrote:
>
> > Until some aliens are actually found, there are no facts,
> You are scientifically illiterate.
>
> This is in addition to are embarrassing lack of reading
> comprehension.
>
> Alien civilizations are a fact, except perhaps to the
> feverishly religious who view mankind as God's special,
> one-off creation.
>

Science does not work like that. From sample of one life
we can not calculate likelihood of other life. From
sample of one sentient specie we can not calculate
likelihood of other such species. Also we do not know
average life expectancy of civilizations. Ours is rather
young and rather suicidal but we do not yet know how
soon even it will die. Without those likelihoods we can not
calculate average distance to aliens in time and in
space.

> So alien civilizations are real. Which means there signals
> are reaching us. There signals can't avoid us. I mean,
> they're not intelligent signals that sense our existence
> and then bend around our planet, avoiding us. The
> signals are reaching us. They are just so withered -- weak
> and distorted -- that we can't detect them, and if we
> somehow could they'd be broken up gibberish anyway.
>
> At this moment in history, alien signals are akin to
> microbes prior to the invention of the microscope.
>
> It's probably not even inaccurate to say that alien signals
> are to us what various particles were before the invention
> of the particle accelerator...
>

All true but so far we have not found any exoplanets with
clear biosignatures. We hope to find but can not know if
we ever find any.

> The only signals we would likely be able to detect would
> be #1 Signals created specifically to reach us, #2 signals
> of alien origins but transmitted from their technology
> within our solar system (like a probe) or #3 a signal to
> and/or from a spacecraft, as one would presume that
> if such craft existed the aliens would be aware that they
> require a strong signal to reach it...
>
> If you point a flashlight at the moon, light is going to
> reach the moon. Body nobody on the moon could ever
> hope to see it. Effectively, this is alien signals to us.
>

Might be so, but we have no such signals and so we have
to research better ways to observe universe.

> But if aliens are looking, they found us. Our technology
> is already searching for bio signatures in the atmosphere
> of planets 700 light years away, and we only found our
> first exoplanet about 30 years ago.
>
> If aliens are looking, and they're at least as advanced as
> we are, they can find out. If they're 50 years ahead of us,
> they found us already. If they're a thousand years ahead
> of us, they may have already launched probes in our
> direction.
>

You mean they were as advanced as us, saw us, sent
probes to us, but after that their home stellar system
lost its biosignatures so we do not see them anymore?
May be so. But we are incapable of figuring how far the
probes are. May be already here but we have not found
any.

> We could launch one ourselves, today. Our technology is
> good enough. It's our priorities which suck out loud.
>

We do not always do what we theoretically could. Even
for to search biosignatures, nothing to talk of sending
probes. AFAIK James Webb Space Telescope
is not designed to search for biosignatures but data from
it may help, plans of building Thirty Meter Telescope
have became controversial, Extremely Large Telescope
is under construction.

> If aliens exist, and we all agree that they do, there are
> aliens that know we are here. They found the earth, they
> detected our bio signatures and at the extreme least
> they are aware that life exists on this earth.
>

Accepting something without any evidence is belief. There
are tons of various fanatical ufologists. Internet is
full of their fantasies and hypotheses. It is fact that we
have no knowledge. But science can only conclude
our ignorance from it, nothing else.

[JTEM is my hero]

jillery wrote:

> Alien civilizations are plausible.

No. It's *Way* beyond that. You can say that there existence is
inferred but, regardless, it is something accepted as fact. Only
the highly religious claim otherwise.

> They aren't a fact until you can point to one.

You're exactly like any other religious believer...

"Aliens" would be on the order of a scientific theory.

Do you know what a theory is in science?




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[JTEM is my hero]

Öö Tiib wrote:

> Science does not work like that. From sample of one life
> we can not calculate likelihood of other life.

"Likelihood" is in regards to commonality.

Once you establish something as possible, you need a reason
for it to not happen else it will happen.

> From
> sample of one sentient specie we can not calculate
> likelihood of other such species.

Irrelevant, because that's in terms of frequency and the
universe is so large if defies human understanding.

Go one. Decide that it's one in a trillion stars where
intelligent life arises... out of how many stars?

200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

So no matter how little you want to make the number, there's
still ridiculous numbers.

>Also we do not know
> average life expectancy of civilizations.

Utterly irrelevant. As I pointed out, but your lack of comprehension
and retention prevents you from considering, we are likely on the
receiving end of extinct civilizations right now.

> Ours is rather
> young and rather suicidal

Lol! You're knee deep in baseless speculation.

Homo is millions of years old. Humans of 30k years ago were
just as intelligent as we are today, and possibly more so.

> All true but so far we have not found any exoplanets with
> clear biosignatures.

Wrong. We've actually found biosignatures within our own
solar system. Yes, on Mars but elsewhere as well.

The most recent claim is Venus, of course.

> > If aliens are looking, and they're at least as advanced as
> > we are, they can find out. If they're 50 years ahead of us,
> > they found us already. If they're a thousand years ahead
> > of us, they may have already launched probes in our
> > direction.
> >
> You mean they were as advanced as us, saw us, sent
> probes to us, but after that their home stellar system
> lost its biosignatures so we do not see them anymore?

No. I don't mean that.

We're only now searching. James Webb has been at it
like a year and a half, but they certainly weren't in a good
position yet, not right away.

And space is an extremely low priority.

Look. The Ukraine is of zero strategic and economic
importance to the United States, and already Biden has
thrown about as much money at them as NASA and all
of NASA's programs.

In 2020 we spent like $4 trillion, at least, on an artificial
economic collapse that pretty much everyone admits
was utterly useless.

Our priorities suck.

> We do not always do what we theoretically could.

It's about priorities. We have incredibly shitty priorities.
If we assume that at least some civilizations have
better, smatter priorities, they could be here. I don't it.
But they know we're here.

> Even
> for to search biosignatures, nothing to talk of sending
> probes.

There's people who claim that if we had pumped the
funding into the nuclear engines that Carl Sagan
famously talked about, we'd be, at the most, a few
years away from arriving at Proxima Centauri. Meaning,
the craft would have just about arrived.

Again, our priorities suck out loud.

> AFAIK James Webb Space Telescope
> is not designed to search for biosignatures

It is.

> Accepting something without any evidence is belief.

Like your baseless claims here.

the JWST searching for life by analyzing light. It's
not collecting samples of an atmosphere, it's analyzing
what light is being absorbed, what is passing through...

I've already posted cites.

These techniques were first used on the planet earth,
from space, "Proving" that life exists here...

Just Google up Spectrum Analysis and have a day.





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[jillery]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 21:12:00 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

>jillery wrote:
>
>> Alien civilizations are plausible.
>
>No. It's *Way* beyond that. You can say that there existence is
>inferred but, regardless, it is something accepted as fact. Only
>the highly religious claim otherwise.
>
>> They aren't a fact until you can point to one.
>
>You're exactly like any other religious believer...
>
>"Aliens" would be on the order of a scientific theory.
>
>Do you know what a theory is in science?

Since you asked, yes I do:

<https://ncse.ngo/theory-and-fact>

Too bad you don't.
You're welcome.

[Öö Tiib]

On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 07:35:42 UTC+3, JTEM is my hero wrote:
> Öö Tiib wrote:
>
> > Science does not work like that. From sample of one life
> > we can not calculate likelihood of other life.
> "Likelihood" is in regards to commonality.
>
> Once you establish something as possible, you need a reason
> for it to not happen else it will happen.
>

That I don't dispute. Sentient life is clearly not impossible. Likelihood
is needed for determining average distance between two of such in
time and space.

> >Also we do not know
> > average life expectancy of civilizations.
>
> Utterly irrelevant. As I pointed out, but your lack of comprehension
> and retention prevents you from considering, we are likely on the
> receiving end of extinct civilizations right now.

Why right now? Why is likelihood of a probe arriving now bigger than
100 millions years ago? We have not found any probes that did arrive
in masses by your idea ... so those must be are rather rare or we
search very badly.

> > Ours is rather
> > young and rather suicidal
>
> Lol! You're knee deep in baseless speculation.
>
> Homo is millions of years old. Humans of 30k years ago were
> just as intelligent as we are today, and possibly more so.
>

We are behaving as stupidly as ages ago? May be so.
But that says nothing about likelihood of potential success
of ours or others.

> > All true but so far we have not found any exoplanets with
> > clear biosignatures.
> Wrong. We've actually found biosignatures within our own
> solar system. Yes, on Mars but elsewhere as well.
>

You mean methane on Mars and Titan? That likely is abiotic
CH4. Would we send something to trillion times farther
than to Titan just because of some methane? Unlikely.
I did mean clear biosignatures by saying "clear biosignatures".

> The most recent claim is Venus, of course.
>

Even farther from clear:
<https://newatlas.com/space/phosphine-biosignature-life-venus-mistake/>

> Our priorities suck.
>
May be because we are as stupid as 30 000
years ago? But that tells only that it might be is time to grow up?

I believe that if we do not stop killing each other and destroying our
nature just for fun of it nor learn to use reasonably accessible to us
resources within our solar system better then we simply have no
business elsewhere as that is indeed too expensive.

> > AFAIK James Webb Space Telescope
> > is not designed to search for biosignatures
> It is.
> > Accepting something without any evidence is belief.
> Like your baseless claims here.
>
> the JWST searching for life by analyzing light. It's
> not collecting samples of an atmosphere, it's analyzing
> what light is being absorbed, what is passing through...
>
> I've already posted cites.
>
> These techniques were first used on the planet earth,
> from space, "Proving" that life exists here...
>
> Just Google up Spectrum Analysis and have a day.
>

Google tells that there are no results "yet". Like with SETI.
Nothing. No lack of various ufo enthusiasts, but all they
post is confirming our ignorance.

[JTEM is my hero]

Stupid and mentally ill but not named jillery wrote:

[---burp---]

You're not bright, but you're <ahem> "Arguing" that alien
civilizations are on the same level as evolution, therefor
we can't consider their existence to be a fact.

It actually means we can. And we do.

You simply are fucked up and have this need to contradict,
to obstruct...



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Öö Tiib wrote:

> > Once you establish something as possible, you need a reason
> > for it to not happen else it will happen.

> That I don't dispute. Sentient life is clearly not impossible. Likelihood
> is needed for determining average distance between two of such in
> time and space.

But even if civilizations are rare, far flung, separated by great lengths
of time and enormous distances in space, their signals are still
reaching us. Even if they're extinct, their signals can be reaching us.

...it could take a very long time for their signals to reach us.

Space is just so huge, the number of solar systems so staggering that
even if one in a trillion give rise to a civilization than that still leaves us
with 200,000,000 to deal with... to the best of our estimation.

The problem is, their signals would be so weak, so degraded that we
couldn't detect them and even if we could we certainly could never
read them.

Like I said: They're akin to microbes before the invention of the
microscope.

But they exist. And already, using us as a model, if any are within
700 light years or so then they know that we're here.

> > Utterly irrelevant. As I pointed out, but your lack of comprehension
> > and retention prevents you from considering, we are likely on the
> > receiving end of extinct civilizations right now.

> Why right now?

Right now. Next week. The cretaceous period... always.

> Why is likelihood of a probe arriving now bigger than
> 100 millions years ago?

Chiefly we are speaking of signals here but the likelihood of a probe
is greater than zero. If you want to claim that they only arrive once
every 100 million years, there's been 20 or more since the Great
Oxidation Event...

Make it a once in a million year event and we're up to 2,000 probes
sent to the earth.

> We have not found any probes that did arrive
> in masses by your idea ... so those must be are rather rare or we
> search very badly.

We have no Chimp ancestors. As a matter of fact people right here,
including you, "Argue" that Chimps split off anywhere from 6 to 13
million years ago, and not a single fossil exists in all of that time.

The oldest so called "Chimp" fossil would be a tooth. Well. Teeth.
And they're about HALF A MILLION years old.

Chimps number into the tens perhaps hundreds of thousands
now, and we are far, Far, FAR off from their highs even during
historic times.

Yes, human predation & habitat destruction has wiped out most
of them.

The point is: Imagine how many should have existed in the past!

But there's zero fossils.

> > Homo is millions of years old. Humans of 30k years ago were
> > just as intelligent as we are today, and possibly more so.

> We are behaving as stupidly as ages ago?

No. That's just propaganda.

Intelligence is a capacity. A "Potential," if you prefer.

> > Wrong. We've actually found biosignatures within our own
> > solar system. Yes, on Mars but elsewhere as well.

> You mean methane on Mars and Titan?

Methane. Oxigen. Even phosphine on Venus.

> That likely is abiotic

There's too many hits.

Mars. Titan. Venus. Ganymede.

> Would we send something to trillion times farther
> than to Titan just because of some methane?

There's more than one bosignature. More than one on Mars.

> Even farther from clear:
> <https://newatlas.com/space/phosphine-biosignature-life-venus-mistake/>

Phosphine doesn't have a natural source, here on earth.

> > Our priorities suck.

> May be because

Maybe because we are nowhere near as bad as the propaganda plants
in your brain.

I mean, if we killed all the competition, left a single "Race," a single
culture -- ethnicity -- then we wouldn't have the "National Security"
concerns. The budget we spend on aircraft carriers could go to
space exploration.

So maybe the secret to our failure is our success in having not
wiped each other out...

You are excessively limited in your thinking.

> Google tells that there are no results "yet".

https://news.ucsc.edu/2023/03/jwst-direct-spectrum.html

Announcements are a decision that the policy makers, the
politicians, will decide.




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[jillery]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 10:27:25 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

>Stupid and mentally ill but not named jillery wrote:
>
> [---burp---]
>
>You're not bright, but you're <ahem> "Arguing" that alien
>civilizations are on the same level as evolution, therefor
>we can't consider their existence to be a fact.

Is there an award for posting the most asinine made-up crap?

>It actually means we can. And we do.
>
>You simply are fucked up and have this need to contradict,
>to obstruct...

Your comments are self-parody.

[JTEM is my hero]

jillery wrote:

> Is there an award for

I'm saying alien civilizations are fact, that their existence is on the order
or level of a scientific "Theory." This is a thread, I did use the word
"inferred" and described it as "accepted as fact" but mostly I just got
lazy and said "fact."

YOU, being a goddamn idiot, insist that things like evolution and other
scientific theories are not considered fact...

You are just fucked up. Seriously. You are *Way* fucked up.

You are a narcissist trying to fool itself into believing that it is not as
stupid as it knows it is...

Honestly, you really can STOP making yourself look like such a retard.
That's my job, making you look like a retard. I don't need any help.

Believe me, I do NOT need any help...





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[jillery]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 19:09:46 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

> jillery wrote:
>
>> Is there an award for
>
>I'm saying alien civilizations are fact, that their existence is on the order
>or level of a scientific "Theory." This is a thread, I did use the word
>"inferred" and described it as "accepted as fact" but mostly I just got
>lazy and said "fact."
>
>YOU, being a goddamn idiot, insist that things like evolution and other
>scientific theories are not considered fact...

I posted nothing of the kind. That you repeatedly insist I did shows
your willful stupidity. There are theories and there are facts. Facts
are observations. Theories explain facts. They are not the same.
However likely alien civilizations might be, they have not been
observed. Apparently you use unique and personal definitions, and
choose not to reveal them. That means...

>You are just fucked up. Seriously. You are *Way* fucked up.
>
>You are a narcissist trying to fool itself into believing that it is not as
>stupid as it knows it is...
>
>Honestly, you really can STOP making yourself look like such a retard.
>That's my job, making you look like a retard. I don't need any help.
>
>Believe me, I do NOT need any help...


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[JTEM is my hero]

jillery wrote:
> JTEM truthed:

> >YOU, being a goddamn idiot, insist that things like evolution and other
> >scientific theories are not considered fact...

> I posted nothing of the kind. That

Liar. Coward.

Pussy.

As long as you refuse to take ownership of your own positions, I can't
do anything but poke fun at your mental illness(es).



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[jillery]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

> jillery wrote:
>> JTEM truthed:
>
>> >YOU, being a goddamn idiot, insist that things like evolution and other
>> >scientific theories are not considered fact...
>
>> I posted nothing of the kind. That
>
>Liar. Coward.

Prove it... oh wait... you don't know how... nevermind.

[JTEM is my hero]

Mentally and emotionally frayed but not named jillery wrote:

> Prove it...

You want me to prove that you <ahem> "argued" that
evolution is not a fact? Dude. That puts me up against
your autism. You'd have to grasp how evolution is a
theory -- the theory of evolution -- and as such is included
within the set {Scientific Theories}

Evolution is within that set. When you speak of that set,
you are speaking of all contained within that set and
evolution is within that set.

So you <ahem> "cited" something you believe debunked
the nonsense that evolution is a fact. BECAUSE evolution
is contained within the set {Scientific Theories} and you
said that scientific theories are not facts.

Ironically, just to show how fucking stupid you actually
are, I did say "considered as fact" or "inferred" just to
clarify, but seeing how outside your autism everyone
here regularly treats legitimate theories as fact I did
not always bother...

You're a waste product.

I have no patience for your episodes.





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[jillery]

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:05:55 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

> Mentally and emotionally frayed but not named jillery wrote:
>
>> Prove it...
>
>You want me to prove that you <ahem> "argued" that
>evolution is not a fact?

Incorrect. To refresh your convenient amnesia:
*************************************
On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 00:57:21 -0400, jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>JTEM wrote:
>>Do you know what a theory is in science?
>
>
>Since you asked, yes I do:
>
><https://ncse.ngo/theory-and-fact>
>
>Too bad you don't.
>You're welcome.

************************************

[JTEM is my hero]

Emotionally unstable, jillery trolled:

[...]

Again: Evolution is a theory, a theory isn't treated as fact, according
to you, so evolution shouldn't be considered nor treated as fact.

Your disorder may be preventing you from seeing this but that's what
makes you such a laughing stock.







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[jillery]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:48:02 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

>
>Emotionally unstable, jillery trolled:
>
> [...]
>
>Again: Evolution is a theory, a theory isn't treated as fact, according
>to you,

Prove it.

>so evolution shouldn't be considered nor treated as fact.
>Your disorder may be preventing you from seeing this but that's what
>makes you such a laughing stock.

More accurately, it shows you to be a willfully stupid troll.

[JTEM is my hero]

Mental waste product, jillery wrote:

> >Again: Evolution is a theory, a theory isn't treated as fact, according
> >to you,

> Prove it.

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/8eYUSpUSkGs/m/mWtCBUZJAwAJ

Only problem is, you are emotionally incapable of accepting your own
positions so this is all very pointless.




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[jillery]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 22:47:30 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

>Mental waste product, jillery wrote:
>
>> >Again: Evolution is a theory, a theory isn't treated as fact, according
>> >to you,
>
>> Prove it.
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/8eYUSpUSkGs/m/mWtCBUZJAwAJ

Your link above shows shows you're wrong and I'm right. Your post is
just another self-parody.

>Only problem is, you are emotionally incapable of accepting your own
>positions so this is all very pointless.

The only problem here is you have no idea what you're talking about
and are proud of it.

[Pro Plyd]

JTEM is my hero wrote:

> Pro Plyd wrote:
>
>> Until some aliens are actually found, there are no facts
>
> No. You're goddamn idiot. That's all.
>
> There's plenty of facts.

List some ->

> And one of those facts is that the earth has been broadcasting
> "Biosignatures" for at least 2 billion years.

Earth "broadcasting" is an alien fact? LOL

> We found our first exoplanet 30 years ago and already are
> scanning worlds 700 light years away in search of life...

And have not found life. "Until some aliens are actually

found, there are no facts"

> Again, it really comes down to how common you want to make
> such life, but the odds against us being spotted by an alien
> civilization are miniscule.

[Pro Plyd]

JTEM is my hero wrote:

> Pro Plyd wrote:
>
>> Until some aliens are actually found, there are no facts,
>
> You are scientifically illiterate.
>
> This is in addition to are embarrassing lack of reading
> comprehension.
>
> Alien civilizations are a fact, except perhaps to the

Name some ->

> feverishly religious who view mankind as God's special,
> one-off creation.
>
> So alien civilizations are real. Which means there signals

Name some ->

[JTEM is my hero]

Pro Plyd wrote:

> Name some ->

....examples of abiogenesis being witnessed?

There are none what so ever. In fact, every single attempt to
observe abiogenesis in the lab has failed, without exception.
Every single abiogenesis hypothesis has been scientifically
falsified.

But, even as you cling to your religious belief and pretend it's
science, you also cling to the religious belief that the earth
is special -- a one off planet created by God, as home to a
one off intelligent species that was likewise created by God.

Because you are fucked in the head. Seriously. In a fucked
up world stuffed silly with fucked up people, you stand out
amongst them as a vulgar, insane, idiotic degenerate.

Congratulations.

Say, why don't you go back to "Arguing" that the Theory of
Evolution isn't considered fact? You know, because no
theory is... it was incredibly stupid and for that reason i
liked it. It exposed you for the pathetic mess that you are,
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[Pro Plyd]

JTEM is my hero wrote:

> Pro Plyd wrote:
>
>> Name some ->
>

> There are none what so ever.

You finally admit it. Good.

[Pro Plyd]

JTEM is my hero wrote:

> There has been WAY more than enough time for a distant civilization
> to detect us, launch a probe in our direct only to go extinct, all

Probing with a probe?

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 15:17:04 -0600, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by Pro Plyd <inva...@invalid.invalid>:

He's apparently into probing; maybe he was potty trained
late.

BTW, you sometimes refer to this...entity?...as "John". Do
you know its purported name? It seems fixated on everyone as
sockpuppets of someone, possibly Harshman. Projection?
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

[*Hemidactylus*]

Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 15:17:04 -0600, the following appeared in
> talk.origins, posted by Pro Plyd <inva...@invalid.invalid>:
>
>> JTEM is my hero wrote:
>>
>>> There has been WAY more than enough time for a distant civilization
>>> to detect us, launch a probe in our direct only to go extinct, all
>>
>> Probing with a probe?
>>
> He's apparently into probing; maybe he was potty trained
> late.
>
> BTW, you sometimes refer to this...entity?...as "John". Do
> you know its purported name? It seems fixated on everyone as
> sockpuppets of someone, possibly Harshman. Projection?
>

I am a sockpuppet of Harshman even if I argue with him over stuff. MPD. I
was an avatar of “howard hershey” but that stopped being trendy and the
chicks jumped ship years ago, so I follow trends. Harshman is a seriously
hot commodity in the influencer space right now. The Kardashians may be
about ready to get their Harshman on soon as Kim explores the lucrative
Cambrian fashion trends. Yet the gluteus maximus was not an initial
chordate feature.

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 01:11:10 +0000, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:

Yeah, we're all sockpuppets to this moron, but I'm still
interested (vaguely) in who this entity is. Dunno why; it's
just another Usenet waste of oxygen, but whatthehell...

[jillery]

On Thu, 03 Aug 2023 23:03:13 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>

Your comment above conflicts with "killfiles are Your Friends (TM)."

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 04:48:45 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>:

Sure, whatever you say.

[JTEM is my hero]

Pro Plyd wrote:

[...]

OCPD is a terrible personality disorder but, unfortunately for you,
it's not any kind of an argument.

So, give us some examples of abiogenesis being observed under
laboratory conditions....

The point, because you're too disorder to figure it out on your own,
is that you religiously believe ideas without evidence. Or, as in the
case of abiogenesis, with plenty of CONTRARY evidence. After all,
every last abiogenesis hypothesis has been falsified.

What do they call it when something is true, no matter what?
Because they never call it "Science."

Many RELIGIOUS people believe that the earth is exceptional, that
life on earth is exceptional BECAUSE it was created that way by
God. And here you are testifying to the fact that you share in this
belief... because that's what disruption, your disorder(s) requires
if you're going to try and obstruct a conversation.

You're fucked up.

The sheer volume of replies by this one handle, not even looking
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[JTEM is my hero]

Mentally unfit, Pro Plyd wrote:

[...]

There's a lot of ways a species might go extinct, even a technological
species. Collapsing a civilization is nothing. I mean, Egypt collapsed
three times in its own ancient history. History is littered with examples
of civilizations collapsing. So if civilizations are possible, and they
are, then a number far in excess of zero have attained a technological
level sufficient to send signals and/or technology only to collapse.

A smaller number, though still greater than zero, went extinct entirely.

Now add the thought that the earth has been virtually signaling the
universe for maybe 2 billion years already -- "THERE'S LIFE HERE!" --
and the numbers are starting to look big, even for rare events.

If a civilization noticed the biosignatures and sent a probe even
once every million years, thousands have been sent towards the earth.
If 1% went extinct in the time it took to travel here, that's 20. If some
0.1% went extinct, that's 2.

Start talking about collapses and you can multiply that number...

After Rome collapsed it took until about the 1600s before Europe
caught up on the glass making tech...

It's a-symmetrical, what is lost or forgotten, but the odds that no
civilization has ever sent a signal or tech our way only to have
lost all knowledge of it, or even the ability to read their own
technology, are descending towards zero.

It's really just an issue of scale, while you're a spazz who only
cares about making a goddamn fool out of themselves.




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[JTEM is my hero]

Bob Casanova wrote:

> Yeah, we're all sockpuppets

Yes you are. You're fucked up. You hijacked abandoned usenet handles
and try to fool yourself into believing you're not a goddamn idiot.

You use this "Bob" personality pretty much exclusively to pronounce
your superiority, something that could never be obvious, given your
level of discourse, so would need pronouncement...

Problem there is you lack any credibility.





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[Pro Plyd]

JBUM is no hero wrote:
>
Not now jon jon, adults are talking.

[Pro Plyd]

[JTEM is my hero]

Again, ONE and only ONE reply per alter per thread, per
day!

You'll still look like a JTEM-obsessed idiot but it would
highly improve the signal-to-noise ratio.




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