Wilkins quoted in the NYT
Walter Bushell
>
As John S. Wilkins points out in response, there are several more
classic objections: memes are not discrete (I would say some are not
discrete), they do not form lineages (some do), memetic evolution
appears to be Lamarckian (but only appears so), memes are not replicated
but re-created or reproduced, or are not copied with sufficient fidelity
(see discussions in Aunger 2000, Sterelny 2006, Wimsatt 2010).
--
All BP's money, and all the President's men,
Cannot put the Gulf of Mexico together again.
cassandra
> <http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/the-third-replicator/?hp
>
>
>
> As John S. Wilkins points out in response, there are several more
> classic objections: memes are not discrete (I would say some are not
> discrete), they do not form lineages (some do), memetic evolution
> appears to be Lamarckian (but only appears so), memes are not replicated
> but re-created or reproduced, or are not copied with sufficient fidelity
> (see discussions in Aunger 2000, Sterelny 2006, Wimsatt 2010).
Consider a recent meme in the news recently, that the current POTUS is
not a christian. This rapidly developing meme seems to have strong
correlation to political affiliation, acceptance of conspiracy
theories, and a disregard for material evidence. It's certainly isn't
controlled by darwinian evolution.
Mike Dworetsky
Yeah, I remember that secret "terrorist fist bump" too. And when he was a
small boy he attended a madrassah*, where he was secretly inducted into Al
Qaeda.
*literally, "school".
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
In His glory
Wilkins is a raving lunatic even when in the company
of low life sinners like you. You all believe in the
church of evolution, turning your back on the blood
of Jesus and his supreme sacrifice for all of mankind.
You're no better than Catholics.
Richard Harter
<forgo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Wilkins is a raving lunatic even when in the company
>of low life sinners like you. You all believe in the
>church of evolution, turning your back on the blood
>of Jesus and his supreme sacrifice for all of mankind.
>
>You're no better than Catholics.
THe Catholic Church was created by God; your church was created
by sinful men who put themselves the commands of God.
Ray Martinez
> Wilkins is a raving lunatic [....]
But he is perceived to be just the opposite. Wilkins spends enormous
effort on his reputation. He calls himself an Agnostic but his views
are 100 percent pro-Atheism. He exists to deceive stupid "Christians"
(and their are plenty).
Ray
Dana Tweedy
> On Aug 23, 12:45 pm, In His glory <forgod1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wilkins is a raving lunatic [....]
>
> But he is perceived to be just the opposite.
For good reason, of course.
> Wilkins spends enormous
> effort on his reputation.
When does he spend such effort, and how could you tell, Ray? He
certainly doesn't spend such effort in this newsgroup.
> He calls himself an Agnostic but his views
> are 100 percent pro-Atheism.
Of course, Ray is not a good judge of that, as anything that he
disagrees with he considers "pro atheism".
> He exists to deceive stupid "Christians"
> (and their are plenty).
Well, Ray, you may indeed be deceived, but it's not by John, and you
are just one person, not "plenty".
DJt
>
> Ray
Mitchell Coffey
> Wilkins is a raving lunatic even when in the company
> of low life sinners like you. You all believe in the
> church of evolution, turning your back on the blood
> of Jesus and his supreme sacrifice for all of mankind.
>
> You're no better than Catholics.
>
OK, with Jews as 0, Mormons as 5 and Catholics as 10, exactly how good
are we?
*Hemidactylus*
Wilkins is one of the most brilliant posters here. Sure he's an
agnostic, but I won't hold that against him. He has published not only
well received scholarly papers, but books too. He is a fountain of
knowledge.
You attack people for their disabilities (ie- Stephen Hawking).
David Hare-Scott
> Wilkins is a raving lunatic even when in the company
> of low life sinners like you. You all believe in the
> church of evolution, turning your back on the blood
> of Jesus and his supreme sacrifice for all of mankind.
>
> You're no better than Catholics.
>
Pull the other one it has a bell on it.
David
John S. Wilkins
> On Aug 23, 2:41 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 12:45 pm, In His glory <forgod1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Wilkins is a raving lunatic [....]
> >
> > But he is perceived to be just the opposite.
>
> For good reason, of course.
>
>
> > Wilkins spends enormous
> > effort on his reputation.
>
> When does he spend such effort, and how could you tell, Ray? He
> certainly doesn't spend such effort in this newsgroup.
I employ a PR firm to ensure that my Evil Message is distributed widely,
and that I get the royalties.
Ray, I also attend to my grooming.
>
> > He calls himself an Agnostic but his views
> > are 100 percent pro-Atheism.
>
> Of course, Ray is not a good judge of that, as anything that he
> disagrees with he considers "pro atheism".
>
>
> > He exists to deceive stupid "Christians"
> > (and their are plenty).
>
> Well, Ray, you may indeed be deceived, but it's not by John, and you
> are just one person, not "plenty".
>
> DJt
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Ray
--
John S. Wilkins, Philosophy, Bond University
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
*Hemidactylus*
> Dana Tweedy<reddf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 23, 2:41 pm, Ray Martinez<pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 23, 12:45 pm, In His glory<forgod1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wilkins is a raving lunatic [....]
>>>
>>> But he is perceived to be just the opposite.
>>
>> For good reason, of course.
>>
>>
>>> Wilkins spends enormous
>>> effort on his reputation.
>>
>> When does he spend such effort, and how could you tell, Ray? He
>> certainly doesn't spend such effort in this newsgroup.
>
> I employ a PR firm to ensure that my Evil Message is distributed widely,
> and that I get the royalties.
>
> Ray, I also attend to my grooming.
I thought you merely did surgical elimination of possible rivals using
bred marsupial supersoldiers.
Walter Bushell
c...@tiac.net (Richard Harter) wrote:
Ah, you're both right.
The Roman Church was created by the Roman Emperors to serve the
interests of the Roman tyranny.
Paul J Gans
In His glory <forgo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
--
--- Paul J. Gans
Steven L.
"cassandra" <cassand...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7d11b701-375b-4851...@z25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
Right.
The real memes here are acceptance of conspiracy theories and a
willingness to regard someone with different political views as being
different personally as well.
Those are the equivalent of "genotype," whereas the specific theory that
Obama is Muslim is just a "trait" or "phenotype" manifested by those
genotype memes. Another conspiracy theory about Obama is that he's a
closet Marxist. Those are contradictory (a Marxist Muslim?). Think of
them as the equivalent of "alleles."
-- Steven L.
John S. Wilkins
bpuharic
Wilkins) wrote:
>
>I employ a PR firm to ensure that my Evil Message is distributed widely,
>and that I get the royalties.
>
blue horseshoe loves evolution...
you evil evolutionists are part of the worldwide cabal controlling the
media.
Mitchell Coffey
> On 08/23/2010 07:02 PM, John S. Wilkins wrote:
>
>
>
No one expects the bred marsupial supersoldiers!
Mitchell Coffey
Desertphile
<forgo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wilkins is a raving lunatic even when in the company
> of low life sinners like you. You all believe in the
> church of evolution, turning your back on the blood
> of Jesus and his supreme sacrifice for all of mankind.
>
> You're no better than Catholics.
Nando, you're still a nutcase and I fear (for you) that you always
will be.
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Paul J Gans
Yes, that's a reasonable way to put it. But I would caution
folks that reasoning by analogy doesn't always work.
Desertphile
The American version of "darwinism:" Survival of the Politically
Expedient.
Paul J Gans
>blue horseshoe loves evolution...
Don't forget, Rupert Murdoch is an Aussie, and if that doesn't
prove that Wikins is part of that conspiracy, nothing will.
Walter Bushell
Desertphile <deser...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:16:30 -0700 (PDT), cassandra
> <cassand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 23, 11:15 am, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> > > <http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/the-third-replicator/?hp
> > >
> > > As John S. Wilkins points out in response, there are several more
> > > classic objections: memes are not discrete (I would say some are not
> > > discrete), they do not form lineages (some do), memetic evolution
> > > appears to be Lamarckian (but only appears so), memes are not replicated
> > > but re-created or reproduced, or are not copied with sufficient fidelity
> > > (see discussions in Aunger 2000, Sterelny 2006, Wimsatt 2010).
>
> > Consider a recent meme in the news recently, that the current POTUS is
> > not a christian. This rapidly developing meme seems to have strong
> > correlation to political affiliation, acceptance of conspiracy
> > theories, and a disregard for material evidence. It's certainly isn't
> > controlled by darwinian evolution.
>
> The American version of "darwinism:" Survival of the Politically
> Expedient.
The meme spreads because it is good for its spread. It may kill or
impose major costs on the hosts, but as long as it spreads faster than
it kills the hosts or is replaced by other meme it will spread.
The meme can survive even though it is counterfactual, against reason,
silly and is bad for the host. Like biological reason, it's just who
wins.
Jeffrey Turner
Koalas uber alles!
--Jeff
--
Love consists of overestimating
the differences between one woman
and another. --George Bernard Shaw
Jeffrey Turner
>
> Those are the equivalent of "genotype," whereas the specific theory that
> Obama is Muslim is just a "trait" or "phenotype" manifested by those
> genotype memes. Another conspiracy theory about Obama is that he's a
> closet Marxist. Those are contradictory (a Marxist Muslim?).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism
Abū Dharr al-Ghifārī, a Companion of Prophet Muḥammad, is credited by
many as the founder of Islamic socialism.[1][2][3][4][5] He protested
against the accumulation of wealth by the ruling class during ‘Uthmān's
caliphate and urged the equitable redistribution of wealth. Some
Orientalists believe that there exist a number of parallels between
Islamic economics and communism, including the Islamic ideas of zakat
and riba.
But certainly the old ideas that Jews were bankers and communists were
not coherent.
_Arthur
Since macro-evolution cannot possibly work, any attempt to breed
marsupial supersoldiers from oppossums will fail.
*Hemidactylus*
the world's predators, known to eat crocodiles and brown snakes, often
in the same sitting.
John S. Wilkins
Drop bears have been known to eat brown snakes by feeding them to
crocodiles and then eating the crocodiles. After feeding the crocs to
water buffaloes.
Earle Jones
<2d9d1fdf-8c4a-4d5d...@s17g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Ray Martinez <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
*
You got that right, Ray. "Their" are plenty of stupid Christians.
earle
*
(Exercise: They're; their; there. Practice.)