Excerpt from JCSM Watch detailing why free debate is impossible, and they can only function while stifling fair comments about their methods, and yet they presume to censure Christian providers....
Uncle Davey
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On June 6th, I wrote, in reply to Davey, that "this aspect [of the
discussion] is closed." Today he posted a response, anyway. Moderator
decisions are not subject to debate in the group. Davey's post was
disallowed and Davey is banned from posting for 72 hours.
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All right, I jumped the gun a bit. On further reflection, I've decided
to restore Davey's posting access, and I apologize to him for being so
hasty. However, there are a couple of things that need to be addressed
once and for all, so here's his post, with my replies:
> You say I can leave if I don't like it because this is a
> private discussion...
Since anyone can read the discussion, it cannot be considered
"private," but it is a private discussion area that happens to allow
anyone to read. Only members can post. There's a reason for that.
> ...but if you squash debate about whether one of your
> targets is a fraud or not, it ceases to be a true discussion
> and becomes a sort of virtual kangaroo court.
I agree, but my original, hasty response was not due to the fact that
we aren't allowing rebuttal. That *is* allowed. My response was to
chide Davey for presuming that any part of our discussion to widen the
focus had anything to do with his "support" forum, and his presumption
to "bargain." Davey's ability to defend and respond substantively to
the evidence of Gastrich's dishonesty has been completely deficient,
but he is certainly free to post those "defenses" if he thinks they
will make any difference.
> Right of reply is an important part of any such debate...
The right of reply is governed by certain boundaries, depending on the
venue. In *this* venue, we don't argue moderator policies or the
purpose of a specific discussion area.
> ...and I never denied anyone the right of reply to my
> comments, whether on the other thing I did on this
> beta thing, or on the website I did with the discussion
> board.
> I didn't find that evidence was ever provided that would
> allow you to prosecute Jason for fraud.
Davey has no authority to "allow" me to do anything, just as it does
not fall to him to "allow" anyone to do anything, or to dictate terms
to the members of this group. What he finds permissible as far as the
evidence concerned is also not any part of the reason this group was
founded or the reason that it continues to exist.
> Calling a person a fraud is a serious matter...
Good. It *should* be a "serious matter."
> ...and if you think so then perhaps you should try to
> prosecute him. After all, fraud is a serious crime.
The problem with *religious* fraud is that it's very difficult to
prosecute, but outside of that, this has been addressed; and sometimes
exposing a fraud as a fraud is more damaging than attempts at legal
prosecution.
Now that's the end of it. Davey's posting privilege is restored
effectively immediately, but he needs to confine himself to the
discussions topical to the group. How the group is moderated,
instructions or presumptions on the methods of debate or discussion,
and "bargains" to remove other groups (or not) are not topical matters
and will not be posted. Otherwise, if Davey (or anyone else) wants to
rebut some of the accusations against Gastrich, he is free to do so.
OK David Horn, while I accept your apology and won't hold the issue against
you personally, you can see that while you say that this forum can only work
while the moderators remain above question is not acceptable to me. When
David Sienkiewicz, veyanuach al meshkavo beshalom, invited me to join this
group he said he wasn't going to censor me for anything less than strong
language that he didn't expect from me anyway, but I basically knew that
this forum was so that you people could have it your own way, and censor
whatever you don't like. You say you were hasty about taking my rights away
for 72 hours, but you still put the censorship back on again. I am not
prepared to have my freedom of expression made subject to your whims, and so
I return to my initial boycott of your group, which was based on the fact
that I knew this would happen.
As I say, you guys want a kangaroo court, where you can be judge and jury
without dissent on cases of alledged fraud that you wouldn't get through the
door of any justice system.
I want no part of it.
Uncle Davey
Mark K. Bilbo
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
> OK David Horn, while I accept your apology and won't hold the issue
> against you personally, you can see that while you say that this forum can
> only work while the moderators remain above question is not acceptable to
> me.
Well, whiny boy, it's not your group. Get it?
> When David Sienkiewicz, veyanuach al meshkavo beshalom, invited me to
> join this group he said he wasn't going to censor me for anything less
> than strong language that he didn't expect from me anyway, but I basically
> knew that this forum was so that you people could have it your own way,
> and censor whatever you don't like. You say you were hasty about taking my
> rights away for 72 hours, but you still put the censorship back on again.
> I am not prepared to have my freedom of expression made subject to your
> whims, and so I return to my initial boycott of your group, which was
> based on the fact that I knew this would happen.
There is no "censorship" when no government is party.
> As I say, you guys want a kangaroo court, where you can be judge and jury
> without dissent on cases of alledged fraud that you wouldn't get through
> the door of any justice system.
>
> I want no part of it.
*Damn you're a whiny little bitch. It's a freaking Google group. Is
everybody supposed to burst into tears because Unca Dorky doesn't get to
run his yap anywhere and everywhere he pleases? Door. Ass. You know the
drill.
Grow. The. Fuck. Up.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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AC
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:26:55 +0200,
Uncle Davey <no...@jose.com> wrote:
<snip whining>
It's simple. Don't post in groups like that. Jason and his brood are
perfectly welcome to post here, but for some reason he hightailed it, only
to return to spam us. It's about all I would expect from a two-bit
con-artist.
And speaking of brutish tactics, I see the gays of Warsaw defied the
homophobe mayor and had a parade anyways. Heh heh heh. Hope the mayor got
an eyefull.
Uncle Davey
Uzytkownik "Carson West" <carso...@coxspambox.net> napisal w wiadomosci
news:wYXqe.757$fV.456@okepread06...
> Uncle Davey wrote:
>
> > Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster>
> > napisal w wiadomosci news:vpKdnYjHWt0...@megapath.net...
> >> In our last episode <p1Lqe.573$fV.311@okepread06>,
> >> Carson West pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare
> >> proclaimed:
>
> [Snip]
>
> >> >> Well, whiny boy, it's not your group. Get it?
> >
> > veyanuach beshalom, to go there with promises that his
> > shabby ingrate inheritors just didn't keep.
>
> No, what you expected was to be treated "special," and the founder has
> posted his take on the whole thing:
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/jcsm-watch/msg/7311e9092241531c?hl=en
>
> The remaining moderator(s) is a/are "shabby ingrates" because they won't
> accommodate you as special. Get over it.
Well since I did all this with a side-bet in email with a certain friend of
mine not entirely uninterested in the goings on in JCSM Watch that my claim
would cause the late and greatly mourned Henryk David Sienkiewicz, peace be
upon his virtual grave, to be conveniently resurrected for the purpose of
putting the record straight on what he did and did not allow me, and all has
gone swimmingly in line with my predictions, I will now chalk myself up one
point.
>
> >> > Obviously, he doesn't get it.
> >>
> >> Oh he gets it. He's *special. He's daddy god's favorite
> >> little sugar pants! Why, didn't daddy god create a whole
> >> universe just so Unca Dorky could come into being someday?
> >> And look at all the trouble daddy god went to so he could
> >> "save" Unca Dorky! Even went so far as to come down to
> >> earth and commit suicide!
> >
> > It is a marvel.
>
> It's bogus--a fantasy for deluded minds.
>
> > But clearly this was for the whole elect, not me only.
>
> You just happen to be one of the "elect," right?
Nothing I could do about it.
>
> [Snip]
>
> >> >> *Damn you're a whiny little bitch. It's a freaking Google
> >> >> group. Is everybody supposed turst into tears because
> >> >> Unca Dorky doesn't get to run his yap anywhere and
> >> >> everywhere he pleases?
> >
> > No, dry your tears, minceboy. I am not complaining...
>
> Complaining, whining--what's the difference?
>
I'm not whining. That's what THOU art a doing of.
> > ...just explaining what you are up to...
>
> No, you were putting your spin on the whole thing and set it up as an
excuse
> beforehand.
You're the spinner. Du spinnst mehr als alle anderen.
>
> > ...and why I'm not continuing to be part of that group.
>
> No one seems to be concerned.
The founder got his resurrection body early to put me straight, but "no-one
seems to be concerned".
>
> >> > Pretty much. The bottom line is that it's a moderated
> >> > group with a focused subject. Davey doesn't get to say
> >> > whatever he wants, whenever he wants, in whatever way
> >> > he wants, but what I find telling is that he *was*
> >> > told that he could rebut the charges against Jason if
> >> > that was his desire. It appears that open discussions
> >> > of moderator policy are off-topic. That's pretty standard,
> >> > actually, but isn't it interesting that when Davey is
> >> > *clearly* told that he can present his rebuttals to the
> >> > charges against Jason, he throws a hissy fit and leaves
> >> > on some trumped up grounds?
> >
> > I can present my rebuttals as long as I do it in a way
> > that the moderators find acceptable.
>
> Which means what? Give us an example of the sort of rebuttal you feel
would
> not be permitted and then explain why.
Maybe I will go and give a rebuttal.
I cannot rebut all points of criticism, as he did some things which
obviously are not things I particularly endorse, but mainly I would say that
these things don't amount to being a fraud, indeed a polished fraud would
have known better than to make some of the errors he did make.
He is a sincere person, in my view, and the core of my rebuttal is that all
you criticisms don't amount to calling him a fraud, and that the danger you
see is that he has put the truth out there with much prayer to many people.
And in the face of that, I see the flaws as not so problematic. You see them
as a means to demolish the message because you don't like the message.
>
> > I am not going to play dat, and I hereby withdraw:
> >
> > 1) one bat and
> > 2) one ball.
>
> You have that right, but the bottom line is that no one really cares; and
> part of the problem all a long is that, you being you, you think someone
> *should* care. You want to be special.
Everybody would like to be appreciated by other users. I don't deny that
human failing, but in the end I play this game as a participant, and some
times you have to withdraw from some areas in order to concentrate on
others. If the Watch group were the only virtual game in usenet town, then I
would be more inclined to puruse it, despite the fact that my enemies
control it.
>
> >> >> Door. Ass. You know the drill.
> >
> > You yanks crack me up. Even the pinkoes of ya talk like millitry. "You
> > know the drill". Tchoh.
>
> Pretty sad when all you have is making fun of a figure of speech. And all
> the while, you display that fine, loving, Christian attitude.
Is he, or is he not, a pinko?
>
> By all means, continue to show us what a phony you are.
>
> >> >> Grow. The. Fuck. Up.
> >
> > Take. A. Flying. Douche.
>
> Wow...now *there's* something Jesus would say.
>
OK, OK, Get. Behind. Me. Satan., then.
> >> > That's good advice.
> >>
> >> He'll just pout...
> >
> > Projection of the day spotted.
>
> No, accurate observation confirmed.
>
> Like he said: Grow up.
>
Subtitle "abandon your faith".
No can do. Even if I could, I don't see why I should.
Uncle Davey
cub...@aol.com
[buncha snippage]
> Well since I did all this with a side-bet in email with a certain friend of
> mine not entirely uninterested in the goings on in JCSM Watch that my claim
> would cause the late and greatly mourned Henryk David Sienkiewicz, peace be
> upon his virtual grave, to be conveniently resurrected for the purpose of
> putting the record straight on what he did and did not allow me...
The last time I checked, HDS is *dying*, not *dead*. Perhaps the
difference between the two is sufficiently subtle as to have escaped
your notice.
> The founder got his resurrection body early to put me straight...
Again: "Dying" is not "dead". This 'reading comprehension' thing
doesn't quite seem to be working out for you, does it, Davey?
Mark K. Bilbo
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
> Well since I did all this with a side-bet in email with a certain friend
> of mine not entirely uninterested in the goings on in JCSM Watch that my
> claim would cause the late and greatly mourned Henryk David Sienkiewicz,
> peace be upon his virtual grave, to be conveniently resurrected for the
> purpose of putting the record straight on what he did and did not allow
> me, and all has gone swimmingly in line with my predictions, I will now
> chalk myself up one point.
Look, fuck face, before you do any more masturbating over your keyboard,
David's "farewell" was because he may not have much time. That happens to
people you know? In fact, I have someone close to me who may be going into
hospice next week. So I've got this to say to you:
How fucking dare you, you evil little fuck of a waste of protoplasm make
light of a situation such as that?
Fuck you and your bullshit, hypocritical, lie of a religion. Now go
masturbate with joy as you worship your fictional demon god.
<plonk>
Tom McDonald
> In our last episode <d8htvh$7do$0...@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey pirouetted
> gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>
>
>>Well since I did all this with a side-bet in email with a certain friend
>>of mine not entirely uninterested in the goings on in JCSM Watch that my
>>claim would cause the late and greatly mourned Henryk David Sienkiewicz,
>>peace be upon his virtual grave, to be conveniently resurrected for the
>>purpose of putting the record straight on what he did and did not allow
>>me, and all has gone swimmingly in line with my predictions, I will now
>>chalk myself up one point.
>
>
>
> Look, fuck face, before you do any more masturbating over your keyboard,
> David's "farewell" was because he may not have much time. That happens to
> people you know? In fact, I have someone close to me who may be going into
> hospice next week. So I've got this to say to you:
>
> How fucking dare you, you evil little fuck of a waste of protoplasm make
> light of a situation such as that?
>
> Fuck you and your bullshit, hypocritical, lie of a religion. Now go
> masturbate with joy as you worship your fictional demon god.
>
> <plonk>
Mark,
You were too easy on the ----face.
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
Mark K. Bilbo
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
> Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>> In our last episode <d8htvh$7do$0...@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey pirouetted
>> gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>Well since I did all this with a side-bet in email with a certain friend
>>>of mine not entirely uninterested in the goings on in JCSM Watch that my
>>>claim would cause the late and greatly mourned Henryk David Sienkiewicz,
>>>peace be upon his virtual grave, to be conveniently resurrected for the
>>>purpose of putting the record straight on what he did and did not allow
>>>me, and all has gone swimmingly in line with my predictions, I will now
>>>chalk myself up one point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Look, fuck face, before you do any more masturbating over your keyboard,
>> David's "farewell" was because he may not have much time. That happens
>> to people you know? In fact, I have someone close to me who may be going
>> into hospice next week. So I've got this to say to you:
>>
>> How fucking dare you, you evil little fuck of a waste of protoplasm make
>> light of a situation such as that?
>>
>> Fuck you and your bullshit, hypocritical, lie of a religion. Now go
>> masturbate with joy as you worship your fictional demon god.
>>
>> <plonk>
>
> Mark,
>
> You were too easy on the ----face.
I just don't have any more time to waste on the pile of feces that bastard
is. Making light of an end of life issue is to announce to the world that
you're a subhuman pile of filth. Uncle Dorky is not worth the time it
would take to spit on him.
Mark K. Bilbo
Atheist pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in
> news:5fudncj4Q9V...@megapath.net:
>
>> In our last episode <d8htvh$7do$0...@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey pirouetted
>> gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>>
>>> Well since I did all this with a side-bet in email with a certain
>>> friend of mine not entirely uninterested in the goings on in JCSM Watch
>>> that my claim would cause the late and greatly mourned Henryk David
>>> Sienkiewicz, peace be upon his virtual grave, to be conveniently
>>> resurrected for the purpose of putting the record straight on what he
>>> did and did not allow me, and all has gone swimmingly in line with my
>>> predictions, I will now chalk myself up one point.
>>
>>
>> Look, fuck face, before you do any more masturbating over your keyboard,
>> David's "farewell" was because he may not have much time. That happens
>> to people you know? In fact, I have someone close to me who may be going
>> into hospice next week. So I've got this to say to you:
>>
>> How fucking dare you, you evil little fuck of a waste of protoplasm make
>> light of a situation such as that?
>>
>> Fuck you and your bullshit, hypocritical, lie of a religion. Now go
>> masturbate with joy as you worship your fictional demon god.
>>
>> <plonk>
>
> Mark, the best reward for being you is knowing you're not Davey.
I am *so* glad I escaped that vile, demon worshipping religion. Uncle
Dorky has done that much for me, reminded me of the cold, inhuman,
unfeeling, viciousness of Christianity.
> Best wishes for you and yours.
Thanks.
I am so dreading this.
Tom McDonald
>
> Is David Sienkiewicz the retired attorney that often corrected me when
> I was wrong in gentlemanly fashion?
Yes.
> Where was his farewell posted? I
> would like to post a response.
It was posted in the Google group, 'JCSM_Watch,' a group started
to keep an eye on Jason's shenanigans, but which appears to be
broadening its scope to include scrutinizing all manner of
organizations that may be failing to live up to their own
purported elevated standards.
JCSM_Watch is a membership group with a fairly specific charter.
If you can agree to the rules there, you should be able to join.
David's farewell post was posted on May 28. In it, he told us
that he was coming to the end of his time in a very courageous
and gracious manner.
UD knew that David was still with us, so his little side bet
with, well, we can guess, was vile and inexcusable.
> We all have skeletons in our closets.
> In my case it was a pair of hobbitts I picked up in an Indonesian cave in 1989.
So you're the Indonesian anthropologist!
Uncle Davey
Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebo...@biblebob.net> napisal w wiadomosci
news:dgcqa1tis14qcrvhe...@4ax.com...
>
> That was foolish and cruel and hardhearted.
>
> I realize that you need only confess your sin to God and I think most
> believers won't disagree with that. However, you posted in a public
> forum where not everyone is a believer.
>
> I suggest you post a public apology.
>
> What's gotten in to you lately? You used to post good stuff.
>
>
> We all have skeletons in our closets.
> In my case it was a pair of hobbitts I picked up in an Indonesian cave in
1989.
>
> http://www.biblebob.net
>
>
> BB
If I thought David Sienkiewicz were a real person and not just another
incarnation of the author of Carson West, of course I would not have written
it.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "Tom McDonald"
<tmcdon...@nohormelcharter.net.lga.highwinds-media.com> napisał w
wiadomości news:UD5re.10771$rt3....@fe03.lga...
Tom, you think so? I'm 99,9% sure the guy doesn't exist. That's why I said
it.
He was "killed off" by the author when I started to twig that he was a
puppet all along, following a stream of linguistic clues in the Carson West
posts too strong to ignore. People don't generally talk in such a similar
way to each other. I'm not stupid.
If proof can be shown that there really is one - then the portion of crow I
am prepared to eat is bigger than ever heretofore.
You are a stand-up guy respected by all parties in the debate here,
believing and non-believing alike.
Therefore, I think you would a) tell the truth and b) keep all that needed
to be confidential confidential if David Sienkiewicz, if such there be, were
to send you some proof like a scan of his passport with his name and the
Israeli entry stamps over the last couple of years. I don't need to see it
if you see it.
Then I will eat all the necessary crow and more on top.
And may God bless Mark Bilbo and his friend who is sick, by the way.
Uncle Davey
Chris Thompson
wrote in news:Up6re.19955$mZ2....@fe07.lga:
Um. Has David gone to hospice, please? Or was that just mentioned as a
possibility?
Chris
snip
Ultra Maroon
snipparoo
> If proof can be shown that there really is one - then the portion of crow I
> am prepared to eat is bigger than ever heretofore.
Where's the proof of your "contacts at the Mossad?"
Yer a loon, Dorky.
John Wilkins
- as real as any person who posts on the group. I have exchanged email with
him, and I am sure that he is an authentic person. I mourn when people I know
die. You, on the other hand, I will not miss or mourn.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
Mark K. Bilbo
<piggybacking>
>> If proof can be shown that there really is one - then the portion of
>> crow I am prepared to eat is bigger than ever heretofore.
The arrogance of Unca Dorky is *breathtaking. Things have to be proven to
*his satisfaction and then he'll think about gracing us with his feigned
apologies. As if he's so important that *any response from him means
*anything.
So, Unca Dorky, how about you take your fictional Jesus and shove him up
your ass sideways? You people have lied to humanity long enough with
pretty words about love and compassion when what you reptilian scum
really want is power and control.
And since you've made light of the end of life for another human being,
may *your passing be slow, painful, undignified, and alone.
You've done one good thing for me Unca Dorky. You've confirmed in spades
to me that escaping Christianity is the best thing that ever happened to
me. Hard as things will be over the next several months, I can at least
take comfort in the fact that I am not--and never will be again--a
Christian.
AC
Yes, Davey has revealed himself completely in all his unpleasantness and
vileness. He is still very clearly sore from his own forced outing, and as
some nasty people do, they judge others by their own wickedness. I don't
think there's very much hope for Davey. His self-righteousness hides a
bitter, foul-hearted man.
There's no doubt in my mind that David Sienkiewicz is real. Davey has had
it out for him for some time, even going so far as to hint that David had
busted into his office. The accusation then was ludicrous, and this one is
to, and betrays a complete lack of charity and goodwill, Christian or
otherwise.
By their works you shall know them...
Cheezits
> I just don't have any more time to waste on the pile of feces that
> bastard is. Making light of an end of life issue is to announce to the
> world that you're a subhuman pile of filth.
It's not as if he hasn't done so before. People don't change, no matter
second chances you give them.
Sue
--
"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
AC
I find it strange, and very sad, that you, of all people, would make such an
accusation. But I already know that you think me a goody-two-shoes, a most
unique accusation coming from a Christian and directed at an atheist.
AC
Very sad news. I wish there was a way I could send my thoughts. David will
be missed much more than the likes of UD.
AC
>
><piggybacking>
>
>>> If proof can be shown that there really is one - then the portion of
>>> crow I am prepared to eat is bigger than ever heretofore.
>
> The arrogance of Unca Dorky is *breathtaking. Things have to be proven to
> *his satisfaction and then he'll think about gracing us with his feigned
> apologies. As if he's so important that *any response from him means
> *anything.
>
> So, Unca Dorky, how about you take your fictional Jesus and shove him up
> your ass sideways? You people have lied to humanity long enough with
> pretty words about love and compassion when what you reptilian scum
> really want is power and control.
>
> And since you've made light of the end of life for another human being,
> may *your passing be slow, painful, undignified, and alone.
>
> You've done one good thing for me Unca Dorky. You've confirmed in spades
> to me that escaping Christianity is the best thing that ever happened to
> me. Hard as things will be over the next several months, I can at least
> take comfort in the fact that I am not--and never will be again--a
> Christian.
Well, despite the wickedness of Uncle Davey, I won't condemn all of
Christianity. I have married a beautiful Christian, and I think a good deal
of her family. These are good people, and they would repudiate in an
instant the vile behavior of Davey. However, it has, for me, raised serious
questions about Calvinist theology. I do frankly think that Calvin produced
a license for wicked behavior, and that Davey has taken full advantage of
it, and still feels he has the right to judge others based upon their
religious beliefs.
AC
Cheezits <cheez...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:
> [Uncle Davey shows his true colors again]
>> I just don't have any more time to waste on the pile of feces that
>> bastard is. Making light of an end of life issue is to announce to the
>> world that you're a subhuman pile of filth.
>
> It's not as if he hasn't done so before. People don't change, no matter
> second chances you give them.
I had rather hoped that Davey would have shirked off his former behavior.
But this treatment of a dying man is simply too much. I realize that David
was hard on UD, but UD deserved it, and this is nothing more than some
shabby attempt at revenge. UD will go on at length about how great his form
of Christianity is, but when push comes to shove, he doesn't seem to know
how to walk the walk.
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "John Wilkins" <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> napisał w wiadomości
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I understand your emotional reaction.
There is of course a possibility that he may be real, although the fact you
had e-mail contact doesn't prove that.
But I figured this, if he is real, then he will only be amused and not upset
by my claim that he is otherwise, and so there is no risk of actually
upsetting a fine old man in his deathbed. I was encouraged in this by his
comment that he was enjoying following the controversies, and he could not
have missed the comments I had made along the way accusing him of being a
puppet.
You know I really don't know what to think at the end of the day as to the
reality of him, but one think I do know - if he is real as presented he
couldn't have gotten upset over the charge of not being real. It would
merely amuse him. Knowing that is the context of writing it, and had I
thought otherwise I would not have written it.
The comment of Ed Conrad which you can find by googling "david sienkiewicz,
in his vegetative state, is a disgrace to the human race" I do not endorse.
Nobody wants to criticise that comment which I found to be below the belt,
but my suggestion that he is invented but speaking with consideration for
him anyway is not in the same ball park at all.
If I shocked you, then I'm sorry for it, by the way.
For the record, I'd prefer if he were real, but he is rather too good to be
true.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
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Augray
in news:<d8kflq$kcr$0...@pita.alt.net>:
I can't find it by doing that. What's the message ID?
> Nobody wants to criticise that comment which I found to be below the belt,
I will, if I can find it.
> but my suggestion that he is invented but speaking with consideration for
> him anyway is not in the same ball park at all.
Never the less, it diminishes him, or at least it attempts too.
> If I shocked you, then I'm sorry for it, by the way.
>
> For the record, I'd prefer if he were real, but he is rather too good to be
> true.
What a pessimist you are.
> Uncle Davey
AC
How contemptuously presumptive of you. But you're right, David, if he is
listening, is seeing you make an enormous ass out of yourself.
>
> The comment of Ed Conrad which you can find by googling "david sienkiewicz,
> in his vegetative state, is a disgrace to the human race" I do not endorse.
> Nobody wants to criticise that comment which I found to be below the belt,
> but my suggestion that he is invented but speaking with consideration for
> him anyway is not in the same ball park at all.
>
> If I shocked you, then I'm sorry for it, by the way.
I can't speak for Dr. Wilkins, but I myself am just simply disgusted.
>
> For the record, I'd prefer if he were real, but he is rather too good to be
> true.
Whether he would be amused or not is besides the point. The only known
sockpuppet-master around here is you. The sheer hypocrisy of accusing
someone else of an activity that you were using to the point of addiction is
outrageous. There's nothing particularly amazing about David, other than
the tenacity with which he goes after frauds and con-artists, and quite
frankly I will grieve him.
You, on the other hand, have revealed your true colors, the full extent of
your pettiness, and I think it's high time you go look in the mirror. Your
actions in this have been disgusting, lacking any merit whatsoever. Is this
the face you want to show the world?
Tom McDonald
You sadden me. I pray for your repentance and reformation.
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "Augray" <aug...@sympatico.ca> napisał w wiadomości
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http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/sci.archaeology.mesoamerican/msg00143.html
If you googled on groups you wouldn't find it. You needed to do a full www.
google. so as to hit the side fora. Sorry I didn't make that clear.
>
> > Nobody wants to criticise that comment which I found to be below the
belt,
>
> I will, if I can find it.
>
I'm right behind you.
>
> > but my suggestion that he is invented but speaking with consideration
for
> > him anyway is not in the same ball park at all.
>
> Never the less, it diminishes him, or at least it attempts too.
>
Well, maybe you are right. Maybe I should have kept my suspicions to myself.
Sometimes discretion is the better part of valour.
>
> > If I shocked you, then I'm sorry for it, by the way.
> >
> > For the record, I'd prefer if he were real, but he is rather too good to
be
> > true.
>
> What a pessimist you are.
>
Mmm.
That way, I'm rarely disappointed.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
Ultra Maroon
> Użytkownik "Augray" <aug...@sympatico.ca> napisał w wiadomości
> news:j2ira19rk42il4tso...@4ax.com...
snip to my loo
> > > The comment of Ed Conrad which you can find by googling "david
> sienkiewicz,
> > > in his vegetative state, is a disgrace to the human race" I do not
> endorse.
How would you know to google for somethin' like that, Dorky?
> > I can't find it by doing that. What's the message ID?
>
> http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/sci.archaeology.mesoamerican/msg00143.html
>
> If you googled on groups you wouldn't find it. You needed to do a full www.
> google. so as to hit the side fora. Sorry I didn't make that clear.
Izzatafakt?
http://groups.google.nl/group/talk.origins/msg/038ad16797d77d60?hl=nl
I guess ya don't have to do it that way at all, Dorkster! But I gotta
question. Didja happen to notice the date? Like, almost goin' on two
years ago that Loopy Ed wrote that. Just a cupla months shy of that,
in fact. September, 2003. That's *long* before DS got sick.
Now you weren't tryin' to pull a fast one on us and take some of the
heat offa you and on to Loopy Ed for somethin' he wrote two yeers ago
and is pretty standard Loopy Ed fare in context? Loopy Ed routinely
insults peepl like that, pickin' on their brains. 'Course, he's
jealous, 'cause he ain't got one, but I guess I hafta wonder why you
pulled this one outta yer hat.
snipperoo
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "Ultra Maroon" <ultra_...@walla.com> napisał w wiadomości
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Well, I didn't notice the date, and it does put a different complexion on
it.
Uncle Davey
Chris Thompson
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t:
That's so damn depressing. I missed David when he took off to start that
endeavor. I miss him more knowing this situation. Dammit. I wish I had
had the opportunity to wish him- I don't know. Wishing him 'well' sounds
stupid. Just to tell him he won't be forgotten, I guess.
Chris
Ultra Maroon
WTF, matey? You didn't notice the date, but you did notice the
*message*, even though you said yerself that there was only a
vvvvveeerrryyyy specific way to pull up that message, so!
> > > > I can't find it by doing that. What's the message ID?
> > >
> http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/sci.archaeology.mesoamerican/msg00143.html
> > >
> > > If you googled on groups you wouldn't find it. You needed
> > > to do a full www. google. so as to hit the side fora. Sorry
> > > I didn't make that clear.
And earlier you sed, "which you can find by googling "david
sienkiewicz,
in his vegetative state, is a disgrace to the human race""
That's a reel specific search kriteria, there, Dorky. How did you know
to look for that specific phrase, or did you just happen to aksidently
run across it and not bother to check the date?
Sheesh!
Uncle Davey
FYI I searched on "David Sienkiewicz" in google, and looked at all the hits
that appeared. This was about half way down. I didn't make note of the date
because I never intended to use it. I simply read it with distaste and moved
on. Later the words he said had stuck in mmy head and they contextually
seemed to relate to him being confined now, hence I quoted them to show in
apposition the way I speak about David Sienkiewicz, despite my doubts about
his being non-fictional, because even if he's fictional I like him, and the
way some others do, with a total lack of respect.
It was a genunine oversight about the date.
Uncle Davey
Ultra Maroon
Half way down on the *first* page.
> I didn't make note of the date
> because I never intended to use it. I simply read it with distaste and moved
> on.
Sssssoooo...lessee...first you tell us that the only way to find it is
to put in some long search strings, then you tell us that we can find
it just by usin' ol' DS's name as the kriteria. Uh, huh.
Yer first instrukshun:
"The comment of Ed Conrad which you can find by googling "david
sienkiewicz, in his vegetative state, is a disgrace to the human
race...""
The second instrukshun"
"You needed to do a full www. google. so as to hit the side fora."
Now you tell us just use "David Sienkiewicz" in Google and it'll show
up haf way down.
Yeah, it's there. Yeah, ol Loopy Ed wrote that, but yeah, you didn't
think nuthin' of it until you needed it to take some of the heat off.
Ain't buyin' it, dude. Works handy for the ol' ultra-reetorik, right,
right, right?
Uncle Davey
I told you how I came by it, and whether you believe it or not is up to you.
Uncle Davey
AC
Well, I certainly won't forget his tireless pursuit of the likes of Glenn
Sheldon, Ed Conrad and, of late, Jason Gastrich.
Chris Thompson
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t:
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:56:11 GMT,
> Chris Thompson <rockw...@TAKEOUThotmail.com> wrote:
>> AC <mightym...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>
news:slrndaraao.7um....@no.animals.were.hurt.writing.this.
>> po s
I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
might be days or months.
His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool as
far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
remarkable.
I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic or
cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
Chris
John Wilkins
...
> I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
> might be days or months.
>
> His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool as
> far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
> remarkable.
>
> I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
> Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic or
> cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
>
> Chris
>
When replying to him, please extend our love. Tell him we miss him.
Matt Silberstein
<rockw...@TAKEOUThotmail.com> in
<Xns9675EE641CCFCct...@207.217.125.201> wrote:
[snip]
>
>I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
>might be days or months.
>
>His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool as
>far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
>remarkable.
>
>I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
>Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic or
>cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
Please send them both my concern and my thanks for his efforts. His
is a good man.
--
Matt Silberstein
All in all, if I could be any animal, I would want to be
a duck or a goose. They can fly, walk, and swim. Plus,
there there is a certain satisfaction knowing that at the
end of your life you will taste good with an orange sauce
or, in the case of a goose, a chestnut stuffing.
Ken Rode
"John Wilkins" <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:d8o7if$2rp2$2...@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au...
> Chris Thompson wrote:
> ...
>
>> I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
>> might be days or months.
>>
>> His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool as
>> far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
>> remarkable.
>>
>> I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
>> Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic or
>> cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
>>
>> Chris
>>
> When replying to him, please extend our love. Tell him we miss him.
Seconded.
Chris Ho-Stuart
Thirded ...
I thought of this; by Dylan Thomas. It fits, and it doens't
fit. From David's recent emails, I gather he goes reluctantly
but with a calm resignation. Rage on David, as long as you may!
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Cheers -- Chris
David D.
Chris Thompson wrote:
>
> I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
> might be days or months.
>
> His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool as
> far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
> remarkable.
>
> I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
> Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic or
> cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
I think you are confusing Dave Horn with David S., although there
is no doubt that David knew Anastasia. Carson West appears to be
another of that cohort from San Diego with the same high class. I
have no idea if it is cultural or genetic.
David D.
Bruce
"Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> I'm not stupid.
The evidence points to the contrary.
<snip>
AC
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPref...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:26:04 GMT, in talk.origins , Chris Thompson
><rockw...@TAKEOUThotmail.com> in
><Xns9675EE641CCFCct...@207.217.125.201> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>>I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
>>might be days or months.
>>
>>His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool as
>>far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
>>remarkable.
>>
>>I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
>>Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic or
>>cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
>
> Please send them both my concern and my thanks for his efforts. His
> is a good man.
Mine as well.
Seppo Pietikainen
Chris, please forward my thanks for his missives on T.O. to him.
While the news do not look good, I feel proud to have met someone like
D.S., even if it was over a tenuous link like a newsgroup.
He's my kind of guy, just wish that were there more like him.
Seppo P.
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "Bruce" <bec...@alumni.caltech.edu> napisał w wiadomości
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Ha ha.
Uncle Davey
Augray
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> Użytkownik "Augray" <aug...@sympatico.ca> napisał w wiadomości
> news:j2ira19rk42il4tso...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:24:48 +0200, "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com> wrote
> > in news:<d8kflq$kcr$0...@pita.alt.net>:
[snip]
> > > I understand your emotional reaction.
> > >
> > > There is of course a possibility that he may be real, although the fact you
> > > had e-mail contact doesn't prove that.
> > >
> > > But I figured this, if he is real, then he will only be amused and not upset
> > > by my claim that he is otherwise, and so there is no risk of actually
> > > upsetting a fine old man in his deathbed. I was encouraged in this by his
> > > comment that he was enjoying following the controversies, and he could not
> > > have missed the comments I had made along the way accusing him of being a
> > > puppet.
> > >
> > > You know I really don't know what to think at the end of the day as to the
> > > reality of him, but one think I do know - if he is real as presented he
> > > couldn't have gotten upset over the charge of not being real. It would
> > > merely amuse him. Knowing that is the context of writing it, and had I
> > > thought otherwise I would not have written it.
> > >
> > > The comment of Ed Conrad which you can find by googling "david sienkiewicz,
> > > in his vegetative state, is a disgrace to the human race" I do not endorse.
> >
> > I can't find it by doing that. What's the message ID?
> >
>
> http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/sci.archaeology.mesoamerican/msg00143.html
>
> If you googled on groups you wouldn't find it. You needed to do a full www.
> google. so as to hit the side fora. Sorry I didn't make that clear.
>
> >
> > > Nobody wants to criticise that comment which I found to be below the belt,
> >
> > I will, if I can find it.
> >
>
> I'm right behind you.
Since it's been show that the message is a few years old, and not
referring to the current situation, I don't see the point in replying to
it.
> > > but my suggestion that he is invented but speaking with consideration for
> > > him anyway is not in the same ball park at all.
> >
> > Never the less, it diminishes him, or at least it attempts too.
> >
>
> Well, maybe you are right. Maybe I should have kept my suspicions to myself.
> Sometimes discretion is the better part of valour.
Corroboration is your friend.
> > > If I shocked you, then I'm sorry for it, by the way.
> > >
> > > For the record, I'd prefer if he were real, but he is rather too good to be
> > > true.
> >
> > What a pessimist you are.
> >
>
> Mmm.
>
> That way, I'm rarely disappointed.
I find it ironic that someone who has faith in salvation and eternal
life through Christ would be a pessimist.
> Uncle Davey
Augray
<rockw...@TAKEOUThotmail.com> wrote in
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> AC <mightym...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:slrndatrig.cpl....@no.animals.were.hurt.writing.this.po
> s
> t:
>
> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:56:11 GMT,
> > Chris Thompson <rockw...@TAKEOUThotmail.com> wrote:
> >> AC <mightym...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >>
> news:slrndaraao.7um....@no.animals.were.hurt.writing.this.
> >> po s
> >> t:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:07:32 GMT,
> >>> Chris Thompson <rockw...@TAKEOUThotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> >>>> Um. Has David gone to hospice, please? Or was that just mentioned
> >>>> as a possibility?
> >>>
> >>> Very sad news. I wish there was a way I could send my thoughts.
> >>> David will be missed much more than the likes of UD.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's so damn depressing. I missed David when he took off to start
> >> that endeavor. I miss him more knowing this situation. Dammit. I wish
> >> I had had the opportunity to wish him- I don't know. Wishing him
> >> 'well' sounds stupid. Just to tell him he won't be forgotten, I
> >> guess.
> >
> > Well, I certainly won't forget his tireless pursuit of the likes of
> > Glenn Sheldon, Ed Conrad and, of late, Jason Gastrich.
> >
>
> I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
> might be days or months.
He told me that he had a few months, a year at the most, "probably
closer to the former than the latter".
> His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool as
> far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
> remarkable.
>
> I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
> Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic or
> cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
I was under the impression that Anastasia was the daughter of someone
else, a former regular here.
> Chris
Uncle Davey
You are right.
I misled you as to the date, but not intentionally. I simply assumed from
the context of his words that he was referring to the present.
>
> > > > but my suggestion that he is invented but speaking with
consideration for
> > > > him anyway is not in the same ball park at all.
> > >
> > > Never the less, it diminishes him, or at least it attempts too.
> > >
> >
> > Well, maybe you are right. Maybe I should have kept my suspicions to
myself.
> > Sometimes discretion is the better part of valour.
>
> Corroboration is your friend.
Well, that's a given, although exactly how you are applying that here I'm
not sure I understand.
>
>
> > > > If I shocked you, then I'm sorry for it, by the way.
> > > >
> > > > For the record, I'd prefer if he were real, but he is rather too
good to be
> > > > true.
> > >
> > > What a pessimist you are.
> > >
> >
> > Mmm.
> >
> > That way, I'm rarely disappointed.
>
> I find it ironic that someone who has faith in salvation and eternal
> life through Christ would be a pessimist.
>
But that's exactly why He had to come.
If it wasn't for God himself dying in our place and resurrecting in a way we
can be included in, and elevated to eternal bliss, we wouldn't have had a
hope in hell.
Literally.
Uncle Davey
catshark
Tell David I'll miss him and will be glad for him to play Daniel Webster
for me any day. ;-)
--
---------------
J. Pieret
---------------
LAWYER, n.
One skilled in circumvention of the law.
- Ambrose Bierce -
Robin Levett
> Ken Rode <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> "John Wilkins" <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> wrote in message
>> news:d8o7if$2rp2$2...@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au...
>>> Chris Thompson wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
>>>> might be days or months.
>>>>
>>>> His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool
>>>> as far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
>>>> remarkable.
>>>>
>>>> I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
>>>> Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic
>>>> or cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>> When replying to him, please extend our love. Tell him we miss him.
>>
>> Seconded.
>
> Thirded ...
>
Fourthed.
> I thought of this; by Dylan Thomas. It fits, and it doens't
> fit. From David's recent emails, I gather he goes reluctantly
> but with a calm resignation. Rage on David, as long as you may!
>
> Do not go gentle into that good night,
> Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
> Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
>
> Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
> Because their words had forked no lightning they
> Do not go gentle into that good night.
>
> Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
> Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
> Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
>
> Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
> And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
> Do not go gentle into that good night.
>
> Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
> Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
> Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
>
> And you, my father, there on the sad height,
> Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
> Do not go gentle into that good night.
> Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
>
> Cheers -- Chris
And this (one of my own favourites) seems to fit David in his time on t.o.
to a T.
--
Robin Levett
rle...@rlevett.ibmuklunix.net (unmunge by removing big blue - don't yahoo)
Susan S
<mightym...@hotmail.com>:
And mine. Shalom aleichem, David.
Susan Silberstein
Chris Thompson
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Yes, I was distraught and not really assimilating things well. Thanks for
pointing out the error in relationship there.
Chris
Augray
in news:<d8q3o2$8ak$0...@pita.alt.net>:
Ed blathers on about almost anything. It's all he's got... that and some
rocks. He's accused *me* of being in the pay of the pseudoscientific
establishment based on my critical responses to his posts. If Ed says
the sky is blue, check just to be sure.
> > > > > but my suggestion that he is invented but speaking with consideration for
> > > > > him anyway is not in the same ball park at all.
> > > >
> > > > Never the less, it diminishes him, or at least it attempts too.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, maybe you are right. Maybe I should have kept my suspicions to myself.
> > > Sometimes discretion is the better part of valour.
> >
> > Corroboration is your friend.
>
> Well, that's a given, although exactly how you are applying that here I'm
> not sure I understand.
What corroborating evidence do you have that Sienkiewicz isn't a real
person?
> > > > > If I shocked you, then I'm sorry for it, by the way.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the record, I'd prefer if he were real, but he is rather too good to be
> > > > > true.
> > > >
> > > > What a pessimist you are.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mmm.
> > >
> > > That way, I'm rarely disappointed.
> >
> > I find it ironic that someone who has faith in salvation and eternal
> > life through Christ would be a pessimist.
> >
>
> But that's exactly why He had to come.
>
> If it wasn't for God himself dying in our place and resurrecting in a way we
> can be included in, and elevated to eternal bliss, we wouldn't have had a
> hope in hell.
>
> Literally.
So what? Why believe the story over the idea that there are
extraordinary people in the world? Aside from your need to be elevated
to eternal bliss, why believe that story over the idea that Sienkiewicz
is simply the person he appears to be? I'm certainly not comparing
Sienkiewicz to Christ, but you seem to believe things based on your
personal preferences rather than evidence. Your omphalism comes to mind.
> Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
If I pursue this, I will only upset people the more.
If I do not, people will say I am back pedalling, and that I ain't got
nothing.
Let discretion be the better part of valour this time.
>
> > > > > > If I shocked you, then I'm sorry for it, by the way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the record, I'd prefer if he were real, but he is rather too
good to be
> > > > > > true.
> > > > >
> > > > > What a pessimist you are.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mmm.
> > > >
> > > > That way, I'm rarely disappointed.
> > >
> > > I find it ironic that someone who has faith in salvation and eternal
> > > life through Christ would be a pessimist.
> > >
> >
> > But that's exactly why He had to come.
> >
> > If it wasn't for God himself dying in our place and resurrecting in a
way we
> > can be included in, and elevated to eternal bliss, we wouldn't have had
a
> > hope in hell.
> >
> > Literally.
>
> So what? Why believe the story over the idea that there are
> extraordinary people in the world? Aside from your need to be elevated
> to eternal bliss, why believe that story over the idea that Sienkiewicz
> is simply the person he appears to be? I'm certainly not comparing
> Sienkiewicz to Christ, but you seem to believe things based on your
> personal preferences rather than evidence. Your omphalism comes to mind.
>
I am an intuitive on the Myers-Briggs personality type indicator, I have to
admit.
Uncle Davey
Augray
in news:<d8s7f5$caq$0...@pita.alt.net>:
[snip Ed]
Recognizing the problem is the first step to fixing it.
> Uncle Davey
>
Uncle Davey
Heh heh heh. I'll admit I laughed.
Uncle Davey
Augray
in news:<d8tte2$s0p$0...@pita.alt.net>:
Good. But do more than laugh. Your intuition is obviously
discombobulated.
> Uncle Davey
Mitchell Coffey
<j.wil...@uq.edu.au> wrote:
>Chris Thompson wrote:
>...
>
>> I've had an email from David. He isn't sure how long he has left- it
>> might be days or months.
>>
>> His terrier tenacity was something to see. But he never lost his cool as
>> far as I recall, and given who he was dealing with, that's even more
>> remarkable.
>>
>> I think I knew Anaastasia was his daughter, but I spaced it out.
>> Whenever she decides to post here, I extend a hearty welcome. Genetic or
>> cultural inheritance, no matter- high class runs in that family.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>When replying to him, please extend our love. Tell him we miss him.
From me as well. I'm afraid I didn't know he was ill.
Mitchell Coffey
Boikat
"Mitchell Coffey" <m.dot.coffey.at....@giganews.com> wrote in
message news:qpg7b1dpseo65po23...@4ax.com...
Me neither. Tell Dave that to ol' Boikat says "Hey!"
Boikat
Chris Thompson
news:rhe1b1p22jcm6ve82...@4ax.com:
I have sent off all the posted responses to David.
Chris
AC
Chris Thompson
news:slrndb8jhf.ea1....@the.spanish.inquisition:
You're quite welcome. I only wish I could say it was a pleasure. I do
hope it gives David some pleasure.
Chris