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The fruit and the tree analogy

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Martin Musatov

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Mar 7, 2014, 11:47:43 PM3/7/14
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Consider the tree, relying on the seed within its fruit for it to produce a new tree. Is there anything required of the tree, except producing the fruit, to have produced also the seed?
The heavens and the earth are the tree, and human beings are the fruit. God is the seed.

Earle Jones27

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Mar 8, 2014, 12:28:32 AM3/8/14
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No shit?

Wait til I tell the kids at school about this, Mister Science.

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jillery

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Mar 8, 2014, 1:19:15 AM3/8/14
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Very poetic.

Burkhard

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Mar 8, 2014, 3:33:49 AM3/8/14
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On Saturday, March 8, 2014 5:47:43 AM UTC+1, Martin Musatov wrote:
> Consider the tree, relying on the seed within its fruit for it to produce a new tree. Is there anything required of the tree, except producing the fruit, to have produced also the seed?
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> The heavens and the earth are the tree, and human beings are the fruit. God is the seed.

"From sunrise till sunset, may the name of Grain be praised. People should submit to the
yoke of Grain. Whoever has silver, whoever has jewels, whoever has cattle, whoever has
sheep shall take a seat at the gate of whoever has grain, and pass his time there"

eridanus

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Mar 8, 2014, 3:36:07 AM3/8/14
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You had said a nonsense. A fruit contains the seed of the new tree.
The analogy is nonsense.
What do make sense is that we are feeding, since long ago, those that speak
to us about the gods? Then, as you had come here speaking of god, I will
invite you to take a tea. Do you want the tea with sugar? Do you like
the tea with some cream? Do do take some fresh Danish butter biscuits with
the tea? I can open a new can for you, recently arrived from Denmark.
Or are you more hungry than to have a tea? We had made a great stew of
beans, with plenty of fat, and some meat. Moreover we had roasted some
meat.

With this analogy it was not clear to me, your message. You mean that
we are the food for the gods? You mean... the gods are eating people.
Or it is the other way round, that people are eating the gods?

Or that we are feeding those that speak about the gods? Are you hungry?
This is a profession, to speak about the gods.
Eri



Robert Carnegie

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Mar 8, 2014, 9:03:20 AM3/8/14
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You seem to be saying that God was created by human beings.
But then you want this God to create new heavens and new earth.
It seems to me unlikely that something invented by human beings -
a god in particular, which probably means a god in a fictional
story - can do that.

I may have utterly misunderstood what you meant. Or you may have
not meant anything. I'm afraid that I can't tell the difference
between what you offered here, and a bunch of words thrown together
randomly to sound like a profound metaphor but without meaning
anything at all. If you can explain what it's about, I'm willing
to pay a reasonable amount of attention.

Jesus, after all, in the bible, often told little stories whose
metaphorical meaning was not understood until he explained it.
In some cases, I think he says that he has done this on purpose,
in order to be able to state truthfully that those people heard
him preaching but they didn't take his message to heart.
They didn't understand it and that isn't really their fault,
but if your plan is to send most people to Hell and only a few
believers to Heaven - which is also discussed - apparently
you have to cheat.

Richard Norman

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Mar 8, 2014, 10:15:14 AM3/8/14
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 20:47:43 -0800 (PST), Martin Musatov
<m.michae...@gmail.com> wrote:

My favorite trees are the ferns belonging to the order Cyatheales and
the citrus plants producing the Clementine or the navel orange. None
of these produce seeds. So applying your rule God seems to be rather
superfluous.

Yes, yes. I agree completely with your argument.



Kalkidas

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Mar 8, 2014, 10:27:57 AM3/8/14
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 20:47:43 -0800 (PST), Martin Musatov
<m.michae...@gmail.com> wrote:

This analogy is incoherent, despite the attempt at flowery language.

David Canzi

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Mar 8, 2014, 11:11:37 AM3/8/14
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A tree is a seed's way of making more seeds.

--
David Canzi | Non-overlapping magisteria: Science explains the
| evidence; religion explains the lack of evidence.

Mike Painter

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Mar 8, 2014, 9:19:03 PM3/8/14
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 20:47:43 -0800 (PST), Martin Musatov
<m.michae...@gmail.com> wrote:

Between the fruit and the seed is the animal named bull
Out of the animal comes the dung containing the seed and out of the
bull shit grows another version of a god.

J. J. Lodder

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Mar 10, 2014, 5:00:23 AM3/10/14
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You forgot about the birds and the bees,

Jan

princeofy...@gmail.com

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Jun 8, 2014, 7:22:44 PM6/8/14
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My favorite trees are the ferns belonging to the order Cyatheales and
the citrus plants producing the Clementine or the navel orange.

Rolf

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Jun 11, 2014, 3:16:47 AM6/11/14
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<princeofy...@gmail.com> skrev i melding
news:dd20b411-cec7-4a80...@googlegroups.com...
And trees love shit.


Earle Jones27

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Jun 14, 2014, 7:08:56 PM6/14/14
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The tree is but a seed's way of making a new seed.

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