atheist groups flourishing at colleges
bpuharic
goes along with the recent poll showing young people less interested
in religion than older folks. mebbe creationism will just die of old
age
All-seeing-I
> good news...number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years:
>
>
> goes along with the recent poll showing young people less interested
> in religion than older folks. mebbe creationism will just die of old
> age
More students choosing faith-based college life.
Study shows a 70 percent increase in enrollment since 1990
ORLANDO - Faith-based higher education programs in Central Florida are
expanding to meet growing enrollment. The local enrollment growth is
part of a nationwide surge that has seen a jump of more than 70
percent in the number of students signing up for faith-based college
programs since 1990.
http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2006/03/20/story8.html
WHY is THAT?
bpuharic
because kids who would have gone to good colleges are choosing
inferior, faith based colleges instead. creationists, always ready to
make a buck, have found a market.
of course that doesn't mean more kids are religious. it just means
creationists are shrewd marketers
but we already knew that.
John Harshman
groups. Circling the wagons, you know. Clearly we are in the End Times
for fundamentalism.
All-Seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
I doubt a scientists could come to such a conclusion since the Study
shows a 70 percent increase i enrollment
All-Seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
think for a change bozo.
maybe you would have a point at a 10 or 20 percent increase.
This is 70
heekster
Wishful thinking.
Fundies have the perserverance of Blattaria.
Eric Root
> good news...number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years:
>
>
> goes along with the recent poll showing young people less interested
> in religion than older folks. mebbe creationism will just die of old
> age
What do "number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years" and "mebbe
creationism will just die of old age" have to do with each other? The
linkage between science and atheism is passive.
Eric Root
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like a self-selected ghettoization, common in highly threatened
>> groups. Circling the wagons, you know. Clearly we are in the End Times
>> for fundamentalism.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I doubt a scientists could come to such a conclusion since the Study
>shows a 70 percent increase i enrollment
?? so if creationists can't handle good education and, instead, choose
places like liberty university, offering 3rd rate educations
that's not a ghetto?
au contraire, mes ami...
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 6:36 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:06:43 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
>>
>>
>>
>> because kids who would have gone to good colleges are choosing
>> inferior, faith based colleges instead. creationists, always ready to
>> make a buck, have found a market.
>>
>> of course that doesn't mean more kids are religious. it just means
>> creationists are shrewd marketers
>>
>> but we already knew that.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>think for a change bozo.
>
>maybe you would have a point at a 10 or 20 percent increase.
>
>This is 70
?? why can't it be 70% it just means creationists can't handle a good
education so prefer a 3rd rate one at a theologically inbred
institution.
of COURSE they're gonna go where they're not challenged to think.
that's what fundamentalism is all about
John Harshman
faitheist students, merely that those students increasingly avoid
mainstream institutions.
bpuharic
wrote:
where did i mention science? creationism isn't science.
John Harshman
think that most of the putative rise in fundamentalism may be just a
case of them becoming more visible because of increased engagement in
politics, not of increase in numbers. Their numbers in the U.S. may
indeed be declining.
Baron Bodissey
Now wait a darn minute! Modern cockroaches appeared 100 million years
ago or so and are still around (and around and around). I'd say that's
a veritable paragon of perseverance.
Baron Bodissey
The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.
– H. L. Mencken
Ron O
Maybe not. We used to call them Mick classes as in Mickey Mouse.
Some students took them to pad their GPA. The students didn't expect
to learn anything in the class.
Ron Okimoto
VoiceOfReason
T.C. Pickney and Bruce Shortt of the Southern Baptist Convention
submitted a resolution in June 2004 which cites a SBC study conducted
in 2002. The study found that 88% of all children are leaving the
church permanently.
http://www.homeschooldads.com/articles_archive/public_schooled_leaving_church.html
Mark Evans
a 70% increase of a small number is still a small number. What are
the numbers of the face-based enrollement? For that matter, what is
"enrollement"? Anything like enrolment?
Mark Evans
Walter Bushell
<c8e30598-2889-42a6...@p19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
Baron Bodissey <mct...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Now wait a darn minute! Modern cockroaches appeared 100 million years
> ago or so and are still around (and around and around). I'd say that's
> a veritable paragon of perseverance.
Hey, but cockroaches are smarter than creationists.
--
A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard.
Walter Bushell
bpuharic <wf...@comcast.net> wrote:
> because kids who would have gone to good colleges are choosing
> inferior, faith based colleges instead. creationists, always ready to
> make a buck, have found a market.
>
> of course that doesn't mean more kids are religious. it just means
> creationists are shrewd marketers
>
> but we already knew that.
Maybe not. You don't want a fundamentalist college, if you didn't grow
up that way, because the kids from the fundamentalist churches will kill
the curve in the Old Testament courses, which are mandatory.
OTOH, they just might give A grades for attending class and charge cheep
tuition. Which means a poor student can get a degree and some employers
are themselves fundamentalist and others don't check accedidation.
Walter Bushell
<8063f0cd-7bc3-4304...@o23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
VoiceOfReason <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> http://www.homeschooldads.com/articles_archive/public_schooled_leaving_church.
> html
somebody's got to deliver the pizza and collect the garbage.
All-Seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
Or maybe the kids AND the parents are fed up with the condition of
secular universities these days where information (and people) are
censored while political correctness takes precedence over truth.
Boikat
You mean "bullcrap discouraged".
> while political correctness takes precedence over truth
As opposed to where religious dogma takes prscedence over truth, Dr
Zaius?
Boikat
J. J. Lodder
It never will.
Instead it will stabilise
at a few percent of the population.
Jan
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 7:07 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:53:46 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>>
>>
>> of COURSE they're gonna go where they're not challenged to think.
>> that's what fundamentalism is all about- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Or maybe the kids AND the parents are fed up with the condition of
>secular universities these days where information (and people) are
>censored while political correctness takes precedence over truth.
you're right. look at al azhar...the world's oldest university.
purely religious.
and no one's heard of it. it's a 4th rate college, just like all
fundamentalist universities.
and censorship? fundies are experts at it. you guys think demons run
around causing the weather. that explanation didn't work out so now
you've revamped it and think ghosts cause life to develop
ghost based views of the world are useless
Ye Old One
It did, a long time ago, some people are just too stupid to notice.
--
Bob.
Theists think all gods but theirs are false. Atheists simply don't
make an exception for the last one.
Ye Old One
Short lived, once they realize all their "qualifications" will get
them is a job cleaning floors like you do. they will stop selecting
the easy route.
You are aware that the USA has fewer internationally respected places
of further education relative to its size than most western countries?
--
Bob.
You have not been charged for this lesson - learn from it rather than
continuing to make a fool of yourself.
VoiceOfReason
Any cretinist who mentions censorship is a fucking hypocrite. Let's
look at the record:
Epperson v. Arkansas - the United States Supreme Court invalidated an
Arkansas statute that prohibited the teaching of evolution. The Court
held the statute to be an unconstitutional attempt to advance a
particular religious viewpoint
McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education - a United States federal court
held that an Arkansas "balanced treatment" statute violated the
Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution. The Arkansas statute
forbid teaching of evolution unless it was accompanied by "creation-
science".
Edwards v. Aguillard - the U.S. Supreme Court held that the state of
Louisiana's "Creationism Act" was unconstitutional. This statute
prohibited the teaching of evolution in public schools, except when it
was accompanied by instruction in "creation science".
stew dean
What you are saying is correct, but not for the right reasons. From
the article...
"Daniel Fredricks, vice president and senior provost at Belhaven
College, a Jackson, Miss.-based Christian institution with a campus in
Maitland since 2001, says he's not surprised by the increase in
enrollment. Fredricks says that more and more often Christians find
they are not welcomed at major universities."
So this backs up the idea that US universities are going the way of
other world leading countries and become mostly secular. In the UK all
universities willl have faith groups but the universities themselves
are secular.
What you'll find in universities is that truth is not censored but
supernaturalism of any kind is simply not tolerated.If you want to
study astro-physics and say you don't beleive the big bang happened
you won't get on the course - rightly so, as you're not educated
enough to get on the course. Part of going to university is knowing
how to think, to be skeptical and questioning and you don't get that
state of mind from resorting back to 'god did it'.
You can be a Christian scientists - I've met a few - but you won't get
there if you are a creationist simply because in the world of science
creationism lost several years ago. That's why creationists descided
to have a go at doing proper science through the feild of intelligent
design. If creationism was right then it would have been easy to prove
in a scientific way. As it turns out the ID movement found nothing -
despite a lot of funding and effort.
In the US there is a minority group that is getting increasingly angry
as the rest of the world comes knocking on the door, these are right
wing Christians - the Sarah Palin fans and Fox news watchers. The rest
of the world laughs at them but it was they that turned 'One nation
undivided' to 'One nation under God' - it was also they that attempted
to turn the US into a fascist country (George Bushes grandfather no
less who had close ties with what was happening in Germany).
You want to know why there are so many signing up for religious
universities - it's because of all this. The evil right wingers have
made a lot of money and have a lot of power due to stunning unethical
business moves and gullable populas. Unfortunatly it won't be enough
to save them from the fall of their house of cards.
Desertphile
> On Nov 23, 5:25 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > good news...number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years:
> >
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/21/AR200...
> >
> > goes along with the recent poll showing young people less interested
> > in religion than older folks. mebbe creationism will just die of old
> > age
> More students choosing faith-based college life.
"Faith-based college." Good bloody *GODS* that cracks me up!
"And today, students, we're going to pray for the correct answer
to the dot product of epsilon delta to the integral of R above d.
Please bow your heads....."
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Desertphile
Given the choice between a graduate of a cult "college" and a real
one, I would hire the graduate from the real college. Degrees in
theology are utterly worthless in real life, and the student comes
out more ignorant than when she went in.
Desertphile
wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:06:43 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
> <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 23, 5:25 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> good news...number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years:
> >>
> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/21/AR200...
> >>
> >> goes along with the recent poll showing young people less interested
> >> in religion than older folks. mebbe creationism will just die of old
> >> age
> >More students choosing faith-based college life.
> >
> >Study shows a 70 percent increase in enrollment since 1990
> >
> >ORLANDO - Faith-based higher education programs in Central Florida are
> >expanding to meet growing enrollment. The local enrollment growth is
> >part of a nationwide surge that has seen a jump of more than 70
> >percent in the number of students signing up for faith-based college
> >programs since 1990.
> >
> >http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2006/03/20/story8.html
> >
> >WHY is THAT?
> because kids who would have gone to good colleges are choosing
> inferior, faith based colleges instead. creationists, always ready to
> make a buck, have found a market.
>
> of course that doesn't mean more kids are religious. it just means
> creationists are shrewd marketers
>
> but we already knew that.
Do cults charge less than real colleges?
Desertphile
This is why Christian cults like the Southern Baptists in the USA
hate education in general, and public education in particular. If
given the chance they were destroy education entirely; if given
the option, they'd prohibit the education of girls, women, Jews,
black people, and all the other inferior races.
Desertphile
<pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article
> <8063f0cd-7bc3-4304...@o23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> VoiceOfReason <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> > http://www.homeschooldads.com/articles_archive/public_schooled_leaving_church.html
> somebody's got to deliver the pizza and collect the garbage.
The name of the web site just cracks me up.
The article failed to mention how many cult-schooled children also
"leave the church for good." I suspect the numbers are close to
the same, since growing up and becoming an adult is also why
children abandon fantasy and superstition (i.e., religion).
Louann Miller
c16dc3...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:
> What do "number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years" and "mebbe
> creationism will just die of old age" have to do with each other? The
> linkage between science and atheism is passive.
The link between religion and creationism isn't.
Personally I don't expect a clean sweep of religion; you'll notice that
Europe, 40 or 50 years further on the same curve, doesn't have it either.
Just a decline in the power of large numbers until believers lose the
expectation that they are the norm and anyone else has to work around them.
Like smokers, really.
Desertphile
<er...@swva.net> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 6:25 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > good news...number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years:
> >
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/21/AR200...
> >
> > goes along with the recent poll showing young people less interested
> > in religion than older folks. mebbe creationism will just die of old
> > age
> What do "number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years" and "mebbe
> creationism will just die of old age" have to do with each other? The
> linkage between science and atheism is passive.
Yes, but the linkage between education and atheist is active.
> Eric Root
Desertphile
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 6:47 pm, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > All-seeing-I wrote:
> > > On Nov 23, 5:25 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> good news...number of atheist groups have doubled in 2 years:
> >
> > >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/21/AR200...
> >
> > >> goes along with the recent poll showing young people less interested
> > >> in religion than older folks. mebbe creationism will just die of old
> > >> age
> >
> > > More students choosing faith-based college life.
> >
> > > Study shows a 70 percent increase in enrollment since 1990
> >
> > > ORLANDO - Faith-based higher education programs in Central Florida are
> > > expanding to meet growing enrollment. The local enrollment growth is
> > > part of a nationwide surge that has seen a jump of more than 70
> > > percent in the number of students signing up for faith-based college
> > > programs since 1990.
> > >http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2006/03/20/story8.html
> > > WHY is THAT?
> > Looks like a self-selected ghettoization, common in highly threatened
> > groups. Circling the wagons, you know. Clearly we are in the End Times
> > for fundamentalism.
> I doubt a scientists could come to such a conclusion since the Study
> shows a 70 percent increase i enrollment
Many of those students will be atheists, shit-for-brains. Not all
attendees at cult "colleges" are occult-befuddled superstitious
retards like you.
Desertphile
Just like schizophrenia.
Desertphile
wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:56:46 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
> <allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> Looks like a self-selected ghettoization, common in highly threatened
> >> groups. Circling the wagons, you know. Clearly we are in the End Times
> >> for fundamentalism.- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >
> >I doubt a scientists could come to such a conclusion since the Study
> >shows a 70 percent increase i enrollment
> ?? so if creationists can't handle good education and, instead, choose
> places like liberty university, offering 3rd rate educations
Everyone is welcome at Jones' University. Well, if everyone is
lilly white.....
> that's not a ghetto?
Jones University is a ghetto of middle-class white trash.
> au contraire, mes ami...
All-seeing-I
>
> What you'll find in universities is that truth is not censored but
> supernaturalism of any kind is simply not tolerated.
Why? because science cannot test for the supernatural?
Science will only be as good as the humans that invented it and
interpret it. Which does not say much since the average human does not
have the perception ability of the common house pet.
Censoring the supernatural is a back door approach to censoring
religion moron. ---because religion attempts to interpret the
supernatural.
Any fool can see that.
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 24, 8:18 am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> What you'll find in universities is that truth is not censored but
>> supernaturalism of any kind is simply not tolerated.
>
>Why? because science cannot test for the supernatural?
It is up to those stupid enough to believe in it to come up with some
evidence.
>
>Science will only be as good as the humans that invented it and
>interpret it. Which does not say much since the average human does not
>have the perception ability of the common house pet.
You keep on with the same lie. Why?
>
>Censoring the supernatural is a back door approach to censoring
>religion moron. ---because religion attempts to interpret the
>supernatural.
Religion is for the brain-dead like you.
>
>Any fool can see that.
You are the fool.
--
Bob.
If brains were taxed, you would get a rebate.
Desertphile
> On Nov 24, 8:18 am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What you'll find in universities is that truth is not censored but
> > supernaturalism of any kind is simply not tolerated.
> Why? because science cannot test for the supernatural?
Dear shit-for-brains. Science doesn't test anything: scientists
do. As for testing fantasy, psychologists do that.
bpuharic
<deser...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:06:30 -0500, bpuharic <wf...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:56:46 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>> <allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> Looks like a self-selected ghettoization, common in highly threatened
>> >> groups. Circling the wagons, you know. Clearly we are in the End Times
>> >> for fundamentalism.- Hide quoted text -
>> >>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >
>> >I doubt a scientists could come to such a conclusion since the Study
>> >shows a 70 percent increase i enrollment
>
>> ?? so if creationists can't handle good education and, instead, choose
>> places like liberty university, offering 3rd rate educations
>
>Everyone is welcome at Jones' University. Well, if everyone is
>lilly white.....
oh yeah i forgot about bob jones
compare to BJU, liberty is harvard...
bpuharic
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>On Nov 24, 8:18 am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> What you'll find in universities is that truth is not censored but
>> supernaturalism of any kind is simply not tolerated.
>
>Why? because science cannot test for the supernatural?
>
>Science will only be as good as the humans that invented it and
>interpret it.
the same is true for interpretation of ancient texts
Which does not say much since the average human does not
>have the perception ability of the common house pet.
the same is true for the interpretation of ancient texts
>
>Censoring the supernatural is a back door approach to censoring
>religion moron. ---because religion attempts to interpret the
>supernatural.
now all they have to do is prove it exists.
other than that it's a great story
Mike Lyle
departments devoted to the promotion of religious studies, and indeed to
the training of clergy, but I can't think of one right now. Seems an
ineffective approach to censorship.
>
> Any fool can see that.
--
Mike.
Bruce Stephens
[...]
> I suppose there must be some universities which don't have whole
> departments devoted to the promotion of religious studies, and indeed to
> the training of clergy, but I can't think of one right now. Seems an
> ineffective approach to censorship.
I think there are a few in the UK. Cranfield University, for example?
(It's not as a result of censorship, of course.)
Ye Old One
<bruce+...@cenderis.demon.co.uk> enriched this group when s/he
wrote:
>"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> writes:
Most of the modern universities do not have departments.
--
Bob.
Baron Bodissey
> Baron Bodissey <mct5...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Now wait a darn minute! Modern cockroaches appeared 100 million years
> > ago or so and are still around (and around and around). I'd say that's
> > a veritable paragon of perseverance.
>
> Hey, but cockroaches are smarter than creationists.
>
> --
> A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard.
How true. And classier, too.
Baron Bodissey
That remains to be seen, as the cat said who voided into the sugar
bowl.
– Jack Vance