Time.

[israel socratus]

Time.
The past is fixed and clear.
It is impossible to revive the time that has gone into the past.
The future is subject to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle: ΔE Δt ≈ ħ/4π.
"Time" is created by gravity matter and energy (quantum energy).
"Time" is a relative concept.
Without gravity and quantum energy the universe has no time.
It is eternal (and infinite).
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[mig själv]

My impression is that gravity slows down time and at the event horizon of a
black hole gravity will stop time.

[Bob Casanova]

On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by mig själv
<nor...@granlunden.se>:

>måndag 12 september 2022 kl. 10:55:07 UTC+2 skrev socrat...@gmail.com:
>> Time.
>> The past is fixed and clear.
>> It is impossible to revive the time that has gone into the past.

>> The future is subject to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle: ?E ?t ? ?/4?.

>> "Time" is created by gravity matter and energy (quantum energy).
>> "Time" is a relative concept.
>> Without gravity and quantum energy the universe has no time.
>> It is eternal (and infinite).
>> -------
>
>My impression is that gravity slows down time and at the event horizon of a
>black hole gravity will stop time.
>

That's how I understand GR. For values of "understand"...
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

[jillery]

On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT), mig själv
<nor...@granlunden.se> wrote:

>måndag 12 september 2022 kl. 10:55:07 UTC+2 skrev socrat...@gmail.com:
>> Time.
>> The past is fixed and clear.
>> It is impossible to revive the time that has gone into the past.

>> The future is subject to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle: ?E ?t ? ?/4?.

>> "Time" is created by gravity matter and energy (quantum energy).
>> "Time" is a relative concept.
>> Without gravity and quantum energy the universe has no time.
>> It is eternal (and infinite).
>> -------
>
>My impression is that gravity slows down time and at the event horizon of a
>black hole gravity will stop time.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mht-1c4wc0Q>

One takeaway is that what happens at a black hole's event horizon
depends on whether the observer is beyond the black hole looking
toward the event horizon, or is approaching the event horizon looking
away from it. Your description above fits what the first observer
would see. For an observer approaching an event horizon, he would see
an ever-narrowing cone of light of ever-accelerating time. Also, if
the associated black hole is large enough to avoid a noticeable
gravity gradient at the event horizon, that observer might not even
notice when he crosses it.

--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

[israel socratus]

"time" stopped:
1- at the event horizon of a black hole gravity
2- at constant speed (c) of light
3- at ''collapse' the Schrodinger (Ψ) wave - function
4- at a "point of singularity" of big bang
5- at the end of accelerating and expanding the universe
6- . . .
7- . . .

[israel socratus]

Time stopped:
1- on the event horizon of the gravity of a black hole
2- at constant speed (s) of light in the cosmic vacuum
3- with the “collapse” of the Schrödinger wave function (Ψ)
4- at the "singularity point" of the big bang
5- at the end of the acceleration and expansion of the universe
Does existence cease when time stops?
No. The infinite/eternal Cosmic Vacuum comes into play

[israel socratus]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 8:00:08 PM UTC+3, israel socratus wrote:
> Time stopped:
> 1- on the event horizon of the gravity of a black hole

> 2- at constant speed (c) of light in the cosmic vacuum

[israel socratus]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 8:00:08 PM UTC+3, israel socratus wrote:

> Time stopped:
> 1- on the event horizon of the gravity of a black hole

> 2- at constant speed (c) of light in the cosmic vacuum

> 3- with the “collapse” of the Schrödinger wave function (Ψ)
> 4- at the "singularity point" of the big bang
> 5- at the end of the acceleration and expansion of the universe
> Does existence cease when time stops?
> No. The infinite/eternal Cosmic Vacuum comes into play

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[jillery]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Time stopped:
>1- on the event horizon of the gravity of a black hole
>2- at constant speed (s) of light in the cosmic vacuum

>3- with the “collapse” of the Schrödinger wave function (?)

>4- at the "singularity point" of the big bang
>5- at the end of the acceleration and expansion of the universe
>Does existence cease when time stops?
>No. The infinite/eternal Cosmic Vacuum comes into play

You use 'existence' above as an independent entity, in contrast to a
feature of cosmic vacuum. How does that help to make your point?

[israel socratus]

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 12:00:08 AM UTC+3, jillery wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT), israel socratus
> <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Time stopped:
> >1- on the event horizon of the gravity of a black hole
> >2- at constant speed (s) of light in the cosmic vacuum
> >3- with the “collapse” of the Schrödinger wave function (?)
> >4- at the "singularity point" of the big bang
> >5- at the end of the acceleration and expansion of the universe
> >Does existence cease when time stops?
> >No. The infinite/eternal Cosmic Vacuum comes into play
> You use 'existence' above as an independent entity, in contrast to a
> feature of cosmic vacuum. How does that help to make your point?

> -------
The infinite/eternal Cosmic Vacuum comes into play to create Existence.
“‎In modern physics, there is no such thing as “nothing.” Even in a perfect vacuum,
pairs of virtual particles are constantly being created and destroyed. The existence
of these particles is no mathematical fiction. Though they cannot be directly observed,
the effects they create are quite real. The assumption that they exist leads
to predictions that have been confirmed by experiment to a high degree of accuracy.”
/ Richard Morris /
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[jillery]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 04:58:07 -0700 (PDT), israel socratus

<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 12:00:08 AM UTC+3, jillery wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT), israel socratus
>> <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Time stopped:
>> >1- on the event horizon of the gravity of a black hole
>> >2- at constant speed (s) of light in the cosmic vacuum
>> >3- with the “collapse” of the Schrödinger wave function (?)
>> >4- at the "singularity point" of the big bang
>> >5- at the end of the acceleration and expansion of the universe
>> >Does existence cease when time stops?
>> >No. The infinite/eternal Cosmic Vacuum comes into play
>> You use 'existence' above as an independent entity, in contrast to a
>> feature of cosmic vacuum. How does that help to make your point?
>> -------
>The infinite/eternal Cosmic Vacuum comes into play to create Existence.

>“?In modern physics, there is no such thing as “nothing.” Even in a perfect vacuum,

>pairs of virtual particles are constantly being created and destroyed. The existence
>of these particles is no mathematical fiction. Though they cannot be directly observed,
>the effects they create are quite real. The assumption that they exist leads
>to predictions that have been confirmed by experiment to a high degree of accuracy.”
>/ Richard Morris /
>------

Just as absolute zero can never be reached, in principle, so too can a
perfect vacuum lacking all mass and energy not exist, in principle.
But you seem to have missed the step where you explain how that
creates existence of an entity independent of that false vacuum.

[israel socratus]

> -----
''Although we are used to thinking of empty space as containing nothing at all,
and therefore having zero energy, the quantum rules say that there is some uncertainty about this.
Perhaps each tiny bit of the vacuum actually contains rather a lot of energy.
If the vacuum contained enough energy, it could convert this into particles, in line with E-Mc^2."
/ Book: ''Stephen Hawking''. Pages 147-148. By Michael White and John Gribbin /
-----

[Glenn]

May the force be with him as he walks thru the halls of karma.

Does the Universe pick up hitchhiking energies in it's expanding travels? Are these hitchhikers zombie hippies from another reality or larger "Universe"? Is the Cosmos "all there is"? Has or will our Universe taken a wrong turn in expanding and inflating and has or will end up in a dead end road in front of a swamp empty of hitchhikers, or full of enormous evil ones? Will Buffy the Vampire slayer end up getting bitten? These are also things we are used to thinking about.

Actually I personally have never been used to thinking of empty space as containing nothing at all.

[jillery]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 07:31:39 -0700 (PDT), israel socratus

That would be the creation of particles, but not of an entity
independent unto itself.

[Glenn]

What came first for you, particles or energy? And what is "entity" with respect to what the OP is saying?

[Pro Plyd]

Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by mig själv
> <nor...@granlunden.se>:
>
>> måndag 12 september 2022 kl. 10:55:07 UTC+2 skrev socrat...@gmail.com:
>>> Time.
>>> The past is fixed and clear.
>>> It is impossible to revive the time that has gone into the past.
>>> The future is subject to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle: ?E ?t ? ?/4?.
>>> "Time" is created by gravity matter and energy (quantum energy).
>>> "Time" is a relative concept.
>>> Without gravity and quantum energy the universe has no time.
>>> It is eternal (and infinite).
>>> -------
>>
>> My impression is that gravity slows down time and at the event horizon of a
>> black hole gravity will stop time.
>>
> That's how I understand GR. For values of "understand"...

Most of what I've read would be more along the lines of slowed down,
asymptotically approaching zero and so forth...

[jillery]

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 21:13:44 -0600, Pro Plyd <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

I suspect you know this, but to be explicit, to outside observers,
time slows down for objects approaching an event horizon, but outside
observers will never observe those objects reaching the event horizon
or time slowing down for them to zero.

By way of illustration, I recall reading a short story where
telepathic twins were part of an experiment to test if telepathy might
be a way to communicate FTL. One was "volunteered" to go into a black
hole, and the other stayed beyond to record their telepathic
communication. As the first twin approached the black hole, the
second twin "heard" the first twin's thoughts getting slower and more
incoherent, but just as loud as if they were in the same room. At the
end of the story, the second twin could only hear the first twin
scream in agony, forever.

[israel socratus]

SRT: "the twin paradox"
Solution.
There are two frames of reference: cosmic vacuum and Descartes.
In the vacuum at the speed of light (c) , time stops /"frozen",
so the cosmic traveler will return to the Descartes system younger
than the inhabitants of Descartes reference frame.

[Pro Plyd]

Telepathy and entangling. Nice angle.