Re: America is at the crossroads
climber
> America is at the crossroads. Americans have a simple yet very
> difficult decision to make. Are they willing to let this nation
> inevitably become a Third World society, or are they willing to stand
> up and fight, while they still can, for their heritage, traditions,
> and values?
>
> Multi-Culturalism and “Diversity” are lies. The non-White birthrate,
> coupled with massive immigration (both legal and illegal) and racial
> intermarriage, will reduce the founding people of America into a
> minority in our own nation. As the racial composition of America
> changes, so will America. Our children and theirs will live in an
> America where alien cultures and values will not simply be present,
> but will dominate us.
>
> It may be politically-incorrect to state it, but this alien influxis a
> disaster for our country, our people, and our families. Crime will
> continue to escalate, as schools deteriorate, corruption increases,
> and quality of life plummets.
>
> One can see clearly the change coming by observing America’s capitol,
> where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
> violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>
> This transformation is personified in the mayor of Washington, Marion
> Barry. Barry was ousted in 1990 when, as DC’s mayor, he was caught on
> videotape, smoking crack cocaine in the hotel room of a prostitute. He
> was convicted, but received very little jail time. Upon release, he
> ran for the DC City Council and was elected! And after “serving”
> without distinction on the DC City Council for one term, he ran for
> Mayor and was elected!
>
> Many other cities are also becoming unlivable. My home city of New
> Orleans has a young mulatto mayor who has fathered at least one
> illegitimate child, and has been hospitalized for a drug abuse. He,
> too, was elected by the overwhelming Black bloc. His first three years
> in office correspond with a murder rate in New Orleans of more than 1-
> per-day (city population just over 500,000).
>
> Louis Farakhan (who is virulently anti-White) is the most popular
> Black leader in America. He attracts the largest Black turnouts of any
> “Afro-American” and although the “Million Man March” did not draw
> enough devotees to live up to its name, the Muslim minister had still
> orchestrated the largest Black demonstration in American history, a
> day long orgy of anti-White hatred.
>
> When the American people saw the LA riots and crowds of Blacks
> cheering O.J. Simpson (who was acquitted by the almost all Black
> jury), they received a peek into their future.
>
> Could a Marion Barry or Louis Farakhan-type eventually become
> President of the United States? Unthinkable? Remember that a Marion
> Barry as mayor of our country’s capitol, LA riots, and Affirmative
> Action also would have been unthinkable just a few short years ago.
>
> Most of the largest cities in America now have nonwhite mayors,
> councils and judges. Many parts of the Southwest and sections of
> American cities more closely resemble Mexico than “Anglo” America.
> Check out Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, Los Angeles, San Diego, El
> Paso, Houston, Miami, Midland-Odessa, Las Cruces, or Albuquerque.
>
> Non-white majorities are now on the horizon in many states, with
> California and Texas acutely in danger. However, it will not take a
> numerical majority of aliens to bring us down, just a sizeable enough
> minority.
>
> It is not necessary to dwell too long on the implications for America.
> The darkening of our nation mimics histories of many other nations.
> The nations of the Caribbean, Central, and South America, are
> predictive examples of the fate that awaits us. The Third World awaits
> our children. It is on our streets, in our taxpayer subsidized housing
> projects, in our jails, and in our mayor’s chairs. Whites in Haiti
> once produced most of the world’s sugar and their nation was called
> the “Jewel of the Caribbean.” Most of them could not have imagined the
> Haiti of today. Are we so short-sighted that we cannot see where
> America is heading?
>
> Great nations do fall. In history, every great nation which once
> graced this planet with high civilization and great achievement – has
> fallen. America though, is a young nation. We should be vibrant and
> entering our greatest age. Instead our children grow up in an alien
> society that our forefathers would not recognize.
>
> The Government and the mass media have become enemies of the founding
> heritage of this nation.
>
> They support immigration quotas that are over 90 percent non-White.
> They have made sure that we do not adequately enforce our laws and
> protect our borders.
>
> They have supported and financed (with our own tax money) a massive
> non-White welfare birthrate that is producing chronic crime,
> degenerated schools and cities, huge costs in welfare, medical care,
> education, housing, policing, courts, and incarceration.
>
> They have fostered intense discrimination against White people in
> jobs, promotions, scholarships, college admissions and union hiring.
>
> They have destroyed the quality of many of our schools, the civilized
> quality of our major cities, and the safety of our neighborhoods with
> forced integration and HUD subsidized housing.
>
> They have attacked our heritage with an endless array of hate
> literature, movies, and television that vilifies our White history,
> character, values, and traditions.
>
> They have hurt American businesses and workers, and are reducing the
> overall standard of living and independence of the American people
> through New World Order inspired trade policies such as NAFTA and
> GATT.
>
> They have attacked our Christian values, heritage, and traditions.
>
> We must strive to save our nation and its beseiged heritage. I will
> fight to stop the massive immigration, and the welfare-financed,
> illegitimate birthrates that are reducing us to a minority in our own
> land. We must awaken our people of the disaster that looms before us,
> and inspire them to join the fight for our survival.
>
> I will fight to limit the power of the Federal Government that is
> taking more and more of our hard-earned money and more and more of our
> hard-won rights.
>
> I will fight for personal responsibility. The welfare system that
> proliferates the underclass and all its social ills must end as we
> know it.
>
> I will fight to limit overpopulation and protect our environment by
> stopping illegal immigration and almost all “legal immigration” into
> America.
>
> I will fight for a simple and fair national sales tax to abolish the
> income tax and the abusive IRS.
>
> I will fight for the constitutional right of Americans to Keep and
> Bear Arms.
>
> I will fight for reform in the Political process by ending all large
> political contributions and having free and open broadcast time and
> debates for all qualified candidates.
>
> I will fight for freedom of choice in education and in association by
> ending forced busing and integration.
>
> I will fight for an absolute end to the racial discrimination called
> “affirmative action.”
>
> I will fight for fair trade and against agreements such as NAFTA and
> GATT that hurt the American people.
>
> I will fight for real freedom of speech for the American people not
> just for the politically correct by ending the control of a few
> conglomerates over the American media.
>
> I will fight for America First by putting an end to foreign aid and
> the New World Order.
>
> Although the media has unfairly depicted me as a racist and a hater, I
> am neither. For although I recognize the important inherent
> distinctions between the races, I do not seek to oppress Blacks and
> other minorities, nor do I hate them.
>
> I do, though, have an abiding love for our White race and the
> civilization and values that it created. I want my children and all my
> descendants to live in a free and healthy society, not a Third World
> hovel. I want to preserve the unique character and beauty of my people
> the same way that, as an ecology-minded individual, I desire the
> preservation of the Blue Whale or the great African Elephant.
>
> I demand the same things for our progeny that all healthy people
> throughout history have sought: the right for us to live and go on
> generation after generation;
>
> for our heritage to be enriched rather than degraded;
>
> for us to be free and not constrained by tyranny;
>
> for us to be safe and secure in our homes and when about in society;
>
> for us to be happy and fulfilled, and not alienated in a culture
> foreign to us;
>
> for us to achieve all that our talents and abilities allow.
>
> America is at the crossroads.
>
> Now is the time for all real Americans to journey with me. Together we
> can secure the existence of our people, and a bright future for our
> children.
>
> I am asking for you to join our efforts to save our heritage and our
> country.
>
> http://www.davidduke.com/general/america-is-at-the-crossroads_22.html
Well-crafted article. Some will fret that it comes from David Duke.
But
it reflects realities.
climber
edi...@netpath.net
is failed inner cities. Latest issue of Fortune has forecast of
DRASTIC housing-price drops in all core urban Blue Nation markets
through end of next year - while Red Nation prices are rather stable.
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Lookout
It IS going to happen, no doubt. David Duke is simply repeating what
some of us have been saying for over a decade.
There is NOTIHNG you or anyone can do about it and still call this
America. You're best bet, if you are in your twenties is move to
Europe.
Dan
>> America is at the crossroads. Americans have a simple yet very
>> difficult decision to make. Are they willing to let this nation
>> inevitably become a Third World society, or are they willing to stand
>> up and fight, while they still can, for their heritage, traditions,
>> and values?
Yes we are willing to stand up and fight for our values!
I vote for the health care reform, against the death penalty, against
boutique wars, and for a woman's right to choose. Thus I am pro-life!
The rest of the nonsense has been snipped...
Dan
Klaus Schadenfreude
>I vote for the health care reform, against the death penalty, against
>boutique wars, and for a woman's right to choose. Thus I am pro-life!
[chuckle]
That's some bizarre logic.
Lookout
Nah...you're just an idiot.
HH&C
Obama and the DNC are at the corner of Hwy's 49 and 61. The deal is
done.
Dan
You should try it some time. Logic, that is.
So, pray tell, what is the problem with my logic?
Dan
HH&C
> Obama and the DNC are at the corner of Hwy's 49 and 61. The deal is
> done.
They sold their souls.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I vote for the health care reform, against the death penalty, against
>>> boutique wars, and for a woman's right to choose. Thus I am pro-life!
>>
>> [chuckle]
>>
>> That's some bizarre logic.
>
>You should try it some time.
You haven't, that's apparent.
HH&C
wrote:
>
> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
patients and no new doctors.
> >>>>against the death penalty,
So when they get paroled, they will kill more.
> >>>>against boutique wars,
I'll pass. I don't know what that means.
> >>>>and for a woman's right to choose.
More dead "tissue" lying in the bottom of a cold stainless steel
sink. Definitely not pro-life.
> >>>>Thus I am pro-life!
Ummm. I'm just not seeing it.
> >> [chuckle]
>
> >> That's some bizarre logic.
>
> >You should try it some time.
>
> You haven't, that's apparent.
He has none.
Bob LeChevalier
>On Dec 23, 8:05�am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>
>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>patients and no new doctors.
They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
general clinics.
>> >>>>against the death penalty,
>
>So when they get paroled, they will kill more.
Ever heard of "life without parole"?
lojbab
---
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loj...@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>
>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead of
>>spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>patients and no new doctors.
>
> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be able
> go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency rooms
> have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than general
> clinics.
And in a relatively short time will _reduce_ total medical care with the
availability of primary care. Primary care will treat medical problems
early avoiding medical crisis' and emergency treatment.
>>> >>>>against the death penalty,
>>
>>So when they get paroled, they will kill more.
>
> Ever heard of "life without parole"?
>
> lojbab
> ---
> Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist loj...@lojban.org
> Lojban language www.lojban.org
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HH&C
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> >> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>
> >Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
> >of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
> >patients and no new doctors.
>
> They aren't new patients.
They are. They will come out of the woodwork and across the border.
> They are patients who will hopefully be
> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
> general clinics.
>
> >> >>>>against the death penalty,
>
> >So when they get paroled, they will kill more.
>
> Ever heard of "life without parole"?
Yeh. He just killed someone else.
HH&C
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:56:34 -0500, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> >>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>
> >>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead of
> >>spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
> >>patients and no new doctors.
>
> > They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be able
> > go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency rooms
> > have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than general
> > clinics.
>
> And in a relatively short time will _reduce_ total medical care with the
> availability of primary care. Primary care will treat medical problems
> early avoiding medical crisis' and emergency treatment.
Hopefully, Curly, you will change professions from short-selling
houses to medical nurse. Then you can work your ass off for almost
nothing as Obama takes a well respected and well paid profession and
turns gives you the status of a Wall Mart greeter.
Morton Davis
"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>
>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>patients and no new doctors.
>
> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
> general clinics.
Patients are already able to go to regular doctors. They choose not to. When
the government forces insurance to pay for more such visits there'll be more
and more. Why not when they're "free"?
Lookout
<CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:56:34 -0500, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
>wrote:
>
>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Dec 23, 8:05�am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>
>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead of
>>>spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>patients and no new doctors.
>>
>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be able
>> go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency rooms
>> have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than general
>> clinics.
>
>And in a relatively short time will _reduce_ total medical care with the
>availability of primary care. Primary care will treat medical problems
>early avoiding medical crisis' and emergency treatment.
Conservatives only care about ME ME ME. They have no interested in the
welfare of others.
Lookout
wrote:
>
>"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
>news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>
>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>patients and no new doctors.
>>
>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>> general clinics.
>
>
>Patients are already able to go to regular doctors. They choose not to.
Bullshit. If that were so the Hill\Burton act would have left billions
of dollars unspent at hospitals around the nation.
>When
>the government forces insurance to pay for more such visits there'll be more
>and more.
Good! Then problems like high blood pressure will be treated early
with a simple and cheap pill instead of dialysis.
Curly Surmudgeon
Kinda/sorta. True conservatives believe in personal responsibility and
liberty and loathe the Big Brother scenario. However I believe that your
use of "conservatives" is aimed at Republicans, neocons and the wacko
right who lay claim to the name and are anything but.
Republicans are not "conservatives" any more than Democrats are
"Liberals."
Bob LeChevalier
>"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
>news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>
>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>patients and no new doctors.
>>
>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>> general clinics.
>
>Patients are already able to go to regular doctors.
Not if they can't pay.
Emergency rooms have to take all comers, regardless of ability to pay.
Doctors in private practice don't.
>They choose not to. When
>the government forces insurance to pay for more such visits there'll be more
>and more. Why not when they're "free"?
They are already "free" to those who have no means to pay for them.
Now the hospital eats the loss, and eventually gets a chunk of money
from the government to pay for that loss (the alternative is that the
hospitals go out of business). Eventually, the taxpayer takes the hit
for all those unwarranted ER visits.
HH&C
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:47:48 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
>
>
>
>
>
> <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:56:34 -0500, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
> >wrote:
>
> >>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> >>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>
> >>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead of
> >>>spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
> >>>patients and no new doctors.
>
> >> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be able
> >> go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency rooms
> >> have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than general
> >> clinics.
>
> >And in a relatively short time will _reduce_ total medical care with the
> >availability of primary care. Primary care will treat medical problems
> >early avoiding medical crisis' and emergency treatment.
>
> Conservatives only care about ME ME ME. They have no interested in the
> welfare of others.
I contribute a significant amount of money each year to people
charities, not Earth Liberation Front, Audobon Society, etc.
HH&C
> "Morton Davis" <antike...@go.com> wrote:
> >"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
> >news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
Then we'll start hearing about Emergency Rooms "Too Large To Fail."
Gunner Asch
One should note..that this article is from 1988...21 yrs ago. Things
havent gotten much better....
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/23/us/rising-number-of-hospitals-forced-to-close.html?pagewanted=1
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
RD (The Sandman)
news:eav5j5tr1cpvvk6um...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:57:39 -0600, "Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
> Nope. Regular doctors are not required to treat people who don't have
> the money up front and/or insurance. No law requires them to do it
> and (for the most part) they don't.
>
They do if they are emergency room doctors.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
Jeff M
EMTALA = Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (among others)
RD (The Sandman)
news:weidnb9tGLagIK7W...@giganews.com:
Exactly.......passed by Congress and signed into law by Big Ronnie in
1986.
Lookout
Conservatives deny that fact.
Morton Davis
> "Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com> wrote:
>>"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
>>news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>>
>>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>>>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>>patients and no new doctors.
>>>
>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>>> general clinics.
>>
>>Patients are already able to go to regular doctors.
>
> Not if they can't pay.
>
No walk-in clinics where you live, eh?
Bob LeChevalier
None within walking distance %^)
And you have to pre-enroll and prove lack of income in order to get on
their list.
The emergency rooms are closer (or easier and faster to get to), and
don't require proof of anything. (for the illegals, this of course is
especially important).
HH&C
> "Morton Davis" <antike...@go.com> wrote:
> >"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
> >news:7q37j5ppgbja5jse4...@4ax.com...
> >>>"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
> >>>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> >>>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>
> >>>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
> >>>>>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
> >>>>>patients and no new doctors.
>
> >>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
> >>>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
> >>>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
> >>>> general clinics.
>
> >>>Patients are already able to go to regular doctors.
>
> >> Not if they can't pay.
>
> >No walk-in clinics where you live, eh?
>
> None within walking distance %^)
>
> And you have to pre-enroll and prove lack of income in order to get on
> their list.
>
> The emergency rooms are closer (or easier and faster to get to), and
> don't require proof of anything. (for the illegals, this of course is
> especially important).
What illegals??? These guys say it is a sickness to claim someone is
illegal.
Lookout
wrote:
No for someone without insurance...other than the 'free County Health
Clinic paid for by YOUR tax dollars
RD (The Sandman)
news:m8f8j5h89ptfp3t0c...@4ax.com:
How can they do that when Ronnie Reagan signed the legislation that put
it into law......the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act
(EMTALA) in 1986.
Curly Surmudgeon
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Conservatives deny that fact.
>>
>>
> How can they do that when Ronnie Reagan signed the legislation that put
> it into law......the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act
> (EMTALA) in 1986.
Tisk, tisk. RD, you *know* the answer to that one. It's been
demonstrated right here in this newsgroup innumerable times.
I take exception with calling them "conservatives" but the point stands.
Neocons, Republicans and religionists have shown this tendency for longer
than either of us have been around. Reality has no bearing on an issue,
their belief is primary. You can't knock those false beliefs out of
their heads with a 2X4, like man and dinosaur walked the earth
contemporaneously...
This is why I believe humankind is having a schism similar to that of the
neanderthal and cromagnon. It's a different world but I wonder if
ancient man had the room to distance themselves and lead non-intersecting
lives 50 to 20 thousand years ago or were in conflict as todays diverging
species are?
It's still unclear whether this is a genetic or memetic divergence but
the result is the same. Their kind will go extinct, just not fast enough.
RD (The Sandman)
news:hh30gi$33p$4...@news.eternal-september.org:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:54:41 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> Conservatives deny that fact.
>>>
>>>
>> How can they do that when Ronnie Reagan signed the legislation that
>> put it into law......the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor
>> Act (EMTALA) in 1986.
>
> Tisk, tisk. RD, you *know* the answer to that one. It's been
> demonstrated right here in this newsgroup innumerable times.
>
> I take exception with calling them "conservatives" but the point
> stands. Neocons, Republicans and religionists have shown this
> tendency for longer than either of us have been around. Reality has
> no bearing on an issue, their belief is primary. You can't knock
> those false beliefs out of their heads with a 2X4, like man and
> dinosaur walked the earth contemporaneously...
I find some of the same problems with Democrats....one reason I am not a
member of either party. They seem to think in many cases that inanimate
objects have minds of their own and cause murders. ;)
> This is why I believe humankind is having a schism similar to that of
> the neanderthal and cromagnon. It's a different world but I wonder if
> ancient man had the room to distance themselves and lead
> non-intersecting lives 50 to 20 thousand years ago or were in conflict
> as todays diverging species are?
>
> It's still unclear whether this is a genetic or memetic divergence but
> the result is the same. Their kind will go extinct, just not fast
> enough.
The biggest problem as far as I see it is that the extremes of both views
have captured the respective parties. Another reason why many are
leaving those parties and looking for something in the middle.
Curly Surmudgeon
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in
> news:hh30gi$33p$4...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:54:41 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Conservatives deny that fact.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> How can they do that when Ronnie Reagan signed the legislation that
>>> put it into law......the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor
>>> Act (EMTALA) in 1986.
>>
>> Tisk, tisk. RD, you *know* the answer to that one. It's been
>> demonstrated right here in this newsgroup innumerable times.
>>
>> I take exception with calling them "conservatives" but the point
>> stands. Neocons, Republicans and religionists have shown this tendency
>> for longer than either of us have been around. Reality has no bearing
>> on an issue, their belief is primary. You can't knock those false
>> beliefs out of their heads with a 2X4, like man and dinosaur walked the
>> earth contemporaneously...
>
> I find some of the same problems with Democrats....one reason I am not a
> member of either party. They seem to think in many cases that inanimate
> objects have minds of their own and cause murders. ;)
Yes, another sect of crazymotherfuckers however there is a quanitative
difference. Those people operate out of fear and ignorance. Hmm, on
second thought that's not all that different.
Except for the god-thing.
>> This is why I believe humankind is having a schism similar to that of
>> the neanderthal and cromagnon. It's a different world but I wonder if
>> ancient man had the room to distance themselves and lead
>> non-intersecting lives 50 to 20 thousand years ago or were in conflict
>> as todays diverging species are?
>>
>> It's still unclear whether this is a genetic or memetic divergence but
>> the result is the same. Their kind will go extinct, just not fast
>> enough.
>
> The biggest problem as far as I see it is that the extremes of both
> views have captured the respective parties. Another reason why many are
> leaving those parties and looking for something in the middle.
Use a different perspective, that is a "Good Thing<tm>". As the two-
party system becomes increasingly polarized they lose membership and
power. Maybe this holiday I can write a pre-release synopsis of my book
on this subject, "Evolving Granular Democracy."
Lib Loo
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
news:hh32vg$cep$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Yes, another sect of crazymotherfuckers however there is a quanitative
> difference. Those people operate out of fear and ignorance. Hmm, on
> second thought that's not all that different.
Your crazymother won't even take a day off for Christmas huh? She must be
the hardest working woman in the business.
Jeff M
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:35:44 -0500, Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:57:39 -0600, "Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
>>> news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
>>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>>> Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>>>> of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>>> patients and no new doctors.
>>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>>>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>>>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>>>> general clinics.
>>>
>>> and more. Why not when they're "free"?
>> the money up front and/or insurance. No law requires them to do it
>> and (for the most part) they don't.
>>
> weren't going to get paid for services rendered.
Full scholarships for med school and living wages for interns and
residents would temper the earning needs and expectations of physicians.
An increased supply of new physicians would also apply downward
pressure on income.
Jeff M
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:38:52 -0600, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:57:39 -0600, "Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
>>> news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
>>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>>> Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>>>> of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>>> patients and no new doctors.
>>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>>>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>>>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>>>> general clinics.
>>>
>>> Patients are already able to go to regular doctors. They choose not to.
>> of dollars unspent at hospitals around the nation.
>>
>>> When
>>> the government forces insurance to pay for more such visits there'll be more
>>> and more.
>> with a simple and cheap pill instead of dialysis.
>>
> And people will also go for the pimple on their ass & skinned knee
> that they might have treated at home previously. Visits for all sorts
> of mundane things will definitely rise wasting lots of precious
> resources.
All of which can be handled by PAs, Nurse Practitioners and other
mid-level providers.
RD (The Sandman)
@news.eternal-september.org:
;)
Merry Christmas to you, Curly...
RD (The Sandman)
news:ti1cj5t58qs9a489s...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:47:48 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:56:34 -0500, Bob LeChevalier
>><loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
>>
>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>><klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>>
>>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because
>>>>instead of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45
>>>>million new patients and no new doctors.
>>>
>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>>> general clinics.
>>
>>And in a relatively short time will _reduce_ total medical care with
>>the availability of primary care. Primary care will treat medical
>>problems early avoiding medical crisis' and emergency treatment.
>>
> That is a belief, but it might just not turn out that way. What
> "could" happen is people "way" go to the Dr. more often for more minor
> things increasing waiting times & decreasing the availability of
> appointments. Another scenario that "could" be possible, especially
> with the no pre-existing conditions rule is that costs rise
> significantly at first as these people are pushed through the system
> using a lot of high-end procedures & resources until they are either
> brought back to a baseline or die off.
>>
> While I haven't read in intimate detail every single aspect of the
> program there doesn't appear to be any coverage for Wellness Programs
> such as gym memberships, personal trainers or any other thing to get
> people into shape so they are less disease afflicted, but this is one
> of my big issue with most "Traditional" health insurance programs in
> the marketplace now. They should really be called "Sickness
> Insurance" because they do very little to insure your healthy or
> improve your overall healthiness level.
>>
Those things were part and parcel of most Medicare Advantage plans and is
one of the things being removed to save costs.
Lookout
wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:36:16 -0600, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:47:48 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
>><CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:56:34 -0500, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Dec 23, 8:05�am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>>>
>>>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead of
>>>>>spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>>>patients and no new doctors.
>>>>
>>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be able
>>>> go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency rooms
>>>> have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than general
>>>> clinics.
>>>
>>>And in a relatively short time will _reduce_ total medical care with the
>>>availability of primary care. Primary care will treat medical problems
>>>early avoiding medical crisis' and emergency treatment.
>>
>>Conservatives only care about ME ME ME. They have no interested in the
>>welfare of others.
>>
>Ya know if "everybody" worried about "Me" and took care of their
>personal lives we wouldn't have to have any type of Welfare Programs
>for other then the Crippled, Sick & Crazy. Far to many people have
>become so reliant on the State for taking care of them most don't know
>how to act when left to their own devices.
I agree. Does that make me a conservative?
Lookout
wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:57:39 -0600, "Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
>>news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>>
>>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>>>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>>patients and no new doctors.
>>>
>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>>> general clinics.
>>
>>
>>Patients are already able to go to regular doctors. They choose not to. When
>>the government forces insurance to pay for more such visits there'll be more
>>and more. Why not when they're "free"?
>>
>Military has always had a problem, usually among the dependants, with
>their free medical care. People show up for everything under the sun
>and then some.
Really? I worked in Army hospitals for 9 years and never saw that.
Please show us some data to back up your claim.
>For years they toyed with the idea of placing some
>type of minimal charge to discourage people from using the medical
>service as a for of entertainment.
Lookout
wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:38:52 -0600, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:57:39 -0600, "Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
>>>news:uci5j51f0onnoo5eh...@4ax.com...
>>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>>>
>>>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>>>>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>>>patients and no new doctors.
>>>>
>>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>>>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>>>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>>>> general clinics.
>>>
>>>
>>>Patients are already able to go to regular doctors. They choose not to.
>>
>>Bullshit. If that were so the Hill\Burton act would have left billions
>>of dollars unspent at hospitals around the nation.
>>
>>>When
>>>the government forces insurance to pay for more such visits there'll be more
>>>and more.
>>
>>Good! Then problems like high blood pressure will be treated early
>>with a simple and cheap pill instead of dialysis.
>>
>And people will also go for the pimple on their ass & skinned knee
>that they might have treated at home previously. Visits for all sorts
>of mundane things will definitely rise wasting lots of precious
>resources.
Can you prove that? Nah, of course not. Once again you're commenting
on something you know nothing about.
Curly Surmudgeon
Not if Gummer is a conservative...
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:47:48 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:56:34 -0500, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>>>>
>>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead
>>>>of spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
>>>>patients and no new doctors.
>>>
>>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be
>>> able go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency
>>> rooms have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than
>>> general clinics.
>>
>>And in a relatively short time will _reduce_ total medical care with the
>>availability of primary care. Primary care will treat medical problems
>>early avoiding medical crisis' and emergency treatment.
>>
> That is a belief, but it might just not turn out that way.
Actually it has been proven repeatedly. However common sense should
obliviate the need for proof. For instance a diabetic unaware of their
condition usually discovered their medical problem only when a life
threatening event occurs. From collapse to gangrene diabetes is a large
population of emergency care. Same for high blood pressure. Both can be
mitigated by the simplist of of medical care.
Care which people cannot afford.
> What "could"
> happen is people "way" go to the Dr. more often for more minor things
> increasing waiting times & decreasing the availability of appointments.
> Another scenario that "could" be possible, especially with the no
> pre-existing conditions rule is that costs rise significantly at first
> as these people are pushed through the system using a lot of high-end
> procedures & resources until they are either brought back to a baseline
> or die off.
Could of, should have, might have been...
> While I haven't read in intimate detail every single aspect of the
> program there doesn't appear to be any coverage for Wellness Programs
> such as gym memberships, personal trainers or any other thing to get
> people into shape so they are less disease afflicted, but this is one of
> my big issue with most "Traditional" health insurance programs in the
> marketplace now. They should really be called "Sickness Insurance"
> because they do very little to insure your healthy or improve your
> overall healthiness level.
Nor should there be gym memberships. Primary care will alert the patient
to health needs. Exercise being one of them. Exercise does not require
a gymnasium, weight room, swimming pool, only walking shoes or plastic
milk bottles.
Curly Surmudgeon
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
Best to yours y prospero ano nuevo tambien.
Cheney, Dick
look at America's true crossroad ...
Don't you think the U.S. has no real business in the Islamic Middle
East except war -- as sponsored by America's ever-hungry MILITARY-
INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX?
No less than one-third of the U.S.'s GDP is buttressed by the MIC.
War weapons and materiel manufacturing, research, development, U.S.
jobs, domestic and foreign sales, grants, contracts ....you name it.
And don't you think we'd be better-off withdrawing our military forces
from Muslim lands and using our military to stabilize and democratize
Latin America, where Iran, Al-Qaeda and other terrorist gangs are
making serious inroads in Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, and even Colombia
and Mexico?
Let's accept fact: The MIC exists to foment and sponsor foreign
wars. It's too powerful and ingrained in the U.S. economy to be
reigned-in.
But since our main export is war, why not do some good by circling the
wagons around our own hemisphere and "closing down" the Castro and
Chavez regimes and others of their ilk?
Isn't it about time?
Lookout
Lookout
<perry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
You get filtered just for the nick..you're a troll.
X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
HH&C
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:36:16 -0600, Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:47:48 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> ><CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:56:34 -0500, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>>On Dec 23, 8:05 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> >Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> >>>>> >> In talk.politics.guns Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> >>> I vote for the health care reform,
>
> >>>>Medical malpractice will go up for unnecessary deaths because instead of
> >>>>spending 5 minutes with a patient, we've just added 45 million new
> >>>>patients and no new doctors.
>
> >>> They aren't new patients. They are patients who will hopefully be able
> >>> go to regular doctors instead of to emergency rooms. Emergency rooms
> >>> have a lot higher ratio of medical personnel per patient than general
> >>> clinics.
>
> >>And in a relatively short time will _reduce_ total medical care with the
> >>availability of primary care. Primary care will treat medical problems
> >>early avoiding medical crisis' and emergency treatment.
>
> >Conservatives only care about ME ME ME. They have no interested in the
> >welfare of others.
>
> Ya know if "everybody" worried about "Me" and took care of their
> personal lives we wouldn't have to have any type of Welfare Programs
> for other then the Crippled, Sick & Crazy. Far to many people have
> become so reliant on the State for taking care of them most don't know
> how to act when left to their own devices.
>
>
> "Gustatus Similis Pullus"
Welp, there's a guiy on this newsgroup who relocated to Argentina for
the almost free medical care.
If only all the other losers would follow...
We should make on final investment and buy them one-way bus tickets.
Lib Loo
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ada1c67-3541-42ee...@26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
I don't think he relocated for ALL of his medical care, just the drugs to
treat his vaginal yeast infections. He stated he returns to the US for
medical treatment of his other family members.
RD (The Sandman)
@news.eternal-september.org:
Gracias......lo mismo a te.
Strabo
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:54:41 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> Conservatives deny that fact.
>>>
>>>
>> How can they do that when Ronnie Reagan signed the legislation that put
>> it into law......the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act
>> (EMTALA) in 1986.
>
> Tisk, tisk. RD, you *know* the answer to that one. It's been
> demonstrated right here in this newsgroup innumerable times.
>
> I take exception with calling them "conservatives" but the point stands.
> Neocons, Republicans and religionists have shown this tendency for longer
> than either of us have been around. Reality has no bearing on an issue,
> their belief is primary. You can't knock those false beliefs out of
> their heads with a 2X4, like man and dinosaur walked the earth
> contemporaneously...
>
> neanderthal and cromagnon. It's a different world but I wonder if
> ancient man had the room to distance themselves and lead non-intersecting
> lives 50 to 20 thousand years ago or were in conflict as todays diverging
> species are?
>
Based on geology and climate studies and excavations, apparently there
was lots of room but Cro-Magnon often hung out in the same neighborhood
with Neanderthal, in a few cases living within a few hundred yards.
There's even speculation of cross-breeding.
Neanderthal was around long before Cro-Magnon; estimated span from
200,000 - to 20,000 BC.
This is significant because Neanderthal is known for its small
close-knit groups, static tool kit, and settlement patterns. They
tended to live in the same places for generations and did not explore
and expand their population as did Cro-Magnon.
Neanderthal had the larger brain, speech, and a stronger physique.
They were quite different from Cro-Magnon.
>
> It's still unclear whether this is a genetic or memetic divergence but
> the result is the same. Their kind will go extinct, just not fast enough.
>
You're suggesting physiological differences between Socialists and
others. The Socialist mindset, or that of their pre-industrial
predecessors, does seem to forebode disaster. Some think Socialists
might actually cause the problems that beset them.
To ward off the Socialist curse, apply the Cro-Magnon survival slogan,
"Improvise, adapt, overcome."
HH&C
> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:54:41 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> > <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Conservatives deny that fact.
>
> >> How can they do that when Ronnie Reagan signed the legislation that put
> >> it into law......the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act
> >> (EMTALA) in 1986.
>
> > Tisk, tisk. RD, you *know* the answer to that one. It's been
> > demonstrated right here in this newsgroup innumerable times.
>
> > I take exception with calling them "conservatives" but the point stands.
> > Neocons, Republicans and religionists have shown this tendency for longer
> > than either of us have been around. Reality has no bearing on an issue,
> > their belief is primary. You can't knock those false beliefs out of
> > their heads with a 2X4, like man and dinosaur walked the earth
> > contemporaneously...
Really? I believe in God and I don't think that.
You've inferred so many times that science and religion cannot mix,
yet some of the most superb research hospitals have the word "Saint"
in their name.
Curly, you take the verry narrowest view of all things religious then
broadbrush all religious people with your bigotry.
You need to get real.
> > This is why I believe humankind is having a schism similar to that of the
> > neanderthal and cromagnon. It's a different world but I wonder if
> > ancient man had the room to distance themselves and lead non-intersecting
> > lives 50 to 20 thousand years ago or were in conflict as todays diverging
> > species are?
>
> Based on geology and climate studies and excavations, apparently there
> was lots of room but Cro-Magnon often hung out in the same neighborhood
> with Neanderthal, in a few cases living within a few hundred yards.
> There's even speculation of cross-breeding.
>
> Neanderthal was around long before Cro-Magnon; estimated span from
> 200,000 - to 20,000 BC.
>
> This is significant because Neanderthal is known for its small
> close-knit groups, static tool kit, and settlement patterns. They
> tended to live in the same places for generations and did not explore
> and expand their population as did Cro-Magnon.
>
> Neanderthal had the larger brain, speech, and a stronger physique.
> They were quite different from Cro-Magnon.
Please don't differ with Curly because he knows everything.
> > It's still unclear whether this is a genetic or memetic divergence but
> > the result is the same. Their kind will go extinct, just not fast enough.
>
> You're suggesting physiological differences between Socialists and
> others. The Socialist mindset, or that of their pre-industrial
> predecessors, does seem to forebode disaster. Some think Socialists
> might actually cause the problems that beset them.
>
> To ward off the Socialist curse, apply the Cro-Magnon survival slogan,
> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
Curly hides amonst those he despises... Catholics. Once he is
discovered, his problems will surely be of his own doing.
Lib Loo
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Do they do lots of research at St. Albert's?