Organisms didn't have to start from scratch to build eyes. The genes
were already there. the cells were already there. They just needed a
tweak or two, like creationist noses do when they LIE that there was a
creation and then can't find a shred of evidence to support their LIE.
Budikka
And, although creationists won't recognize it, let alone accept it,
more proof of evolution.
--
"God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its existence we
are defending His work. In vowing ourselves to one another, we are
entitled to stand before the Almighty and ask Him for His grace and
His blessing." - Adolf Hitler, in a radio address, 30 Jan. 1945
They were --Already-- there, eh? Are these magic genes? Are these Jack
and the Beanstalk GENES?
BTW, who did a controlled tweaking?
Yep.
> Are these magic genes? Are these Jack and the Beanstalk GENES?
You mean magic like an invisible magic super sky daddy?
> BTW, who did a controlled tweaking?
Evolutionary pressure. It's well understood by those not blinded by
idiocy.
heh... a sustained UNguided effort by evolution to systematically
create an eye.
Funny.
You guys will believe ANYTHING
So, wanna see some land for sale in florida?
It's happened all across the animal kingdom. The molluscs have
developed eyes ranging from eyespots to eyes better than ours. Why
did your ET god give the octopus and squid better eyes than us? Are
we not the pinnacle of creation?
Wombat
snip usual insults
At one time we were perfect in every way. It is all explained in the
bible.
I've been to Florida, so I know it exists. I have relatives who own
land there. I can use the interwebs to look at land for sale there.
They have pictures. So it isn't a big stretch to believe there's land
for sale in Florida.
I've also seen evidence that eyes have evolved at least three
different ways.
You can't even produce cited definitions for mammals or fish, let
alone evidence of deities.
You believe in an undetectable magical logically contradictory
superdaddy, but imply atheists are gullible for accepting actual
evidence.
I find it difficult and troubling to believe people as stupid and
dishonest as you actual exist, but I have to go with the evidence.
Does the bible explain why the human eye has a blind spot but an
octopus eye doesn't?
So Adam didn't have a blind spot when he was preternatural. How
quaint. Apart from vague consequences of the fall laid out in that
morality tale, Genesis, have you any evidence that ALL vertebrate eyes
went pear shaped circa 6,000 years ago?
Wow! Twatman has decided to reply to my posts. His once a year reply
gambit has gone pear shaped, just like his arguments.
Wombat
>heh... a sustained UNguided effort by evolution to systematically
>create an eye.
No - evolution has no goal.
--
"If we do not succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle,
another brain damaged by religion
gee. and yet the mechanism is testable
observable
verifiable
none of which is true for creationist magic
>At one time we were perfect in every way. It is all explained in the
>bible.
and yet we can prove, scientifically
this is not true.
so where's the proof of his statement?
there is none
I would imagine a step from perfect to what we observe today would falsify
evolution.
Talk about a bee birthing a bunny.
Yep. That step was Jesus.
So your magic jewish zombie made everyone imperfect? That seems
counterproductive, although what would you expect from a zombie.
Already evolved by bacteria. Do you need remedial English to grasp
simple sentences?
> Are these magic genes?
Your;le the one who demands magic and then RUNS when we ask you to
support your claim. Evolution demands only a subset of physics which
is called chemistry.
> Are these Jack
> and the Beanstalk GENES?
You're the jackass, you answer that.
> BTW, who did a controlled tweaking?
Go read some books on evolution and you'll discover just how deep your
ignorance RUNS. I emphasize runs, since that's what you're best at.
There is no "who". If you disagree, then supply the evidence
supporting your claims that there's a who, instead of running like the
stinking swamp of infected diarrhea that you are.
Here's what you're shrinking from like a limp Peter at the Passion:
1. Demonstrate with objective evidence that this deity of yours
exists
2. Demonstrate with objective evidence that this deity of yours is
the only deity there is
3. Demonstrate with objective evidence that this deity of yours
created the universe and life on Earth
4. Demonstrate with objective evidence that this deity of yours is
not a figment of your imagination
Or keep running, you pathetic coward; it's what you do best, after
all, but let's face it you've had a heck of a lot of practice.
Whaddaya say jackass, time to RUN again?
Budikka
Owchies!
You are becoming a one trick pony Budikka.
Get some new material.
>You are becoming a one trick pony
Says the one trick whale.
--
"Steal the best taglines," shall be the whole of the Law.
Don't you mean the one trick trilobite?
One mammel is the same as another.
> Darwin confidently predicted that sometime in the
> remote future there would be found the Missing
> Links in the fossil records.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils
http://www.transitionalfossils.com/
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/transitional_def.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/fossil-evidence.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUcB_HiCKnM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5DFvDJIQP8&feature=related
http://tinyurl.com/3t7trgb
http://www.answersincreation.org/transitional_fossils.htm
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/lines/IAtransitional.shtml
http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Evolution/transitionalfossils.htm
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/evolution/transitional-fossils/
http://tinyurl.com/42v8ddj
http://tinyurl.com/3rwe6dr
http://darwiniana.org/transitionals.htm
http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/sciences/paleontology/fossilsandf...
http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/Transitional_Fossils
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/transitional-fossils/
In short, you're an ignorant, LYING piece of trash. But we knew that.
Budikka
If you want a descriptive term you'd have to use stromatolite.
--
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter." - Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
And, since it lived in water, the trilobite was a fish with mammal
traits.
--
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're told. Religion
is doing what you're told, not matter what is right." - Jerry
Sturdivant
Oh l00k !
3 apes picking fleas off one another.
Of What Use, Exactly, is the Pope? Seriously? (Jan 22 2010)
Of What Use, Exactly, is Jesus? Seriously? (Jan 30 2010)
Of What Use Exactly, is God? Seriously (Feb 3 2010)
Of What Use Exactly, is the Bible? Seriously (Feb 7 2010)
Theists: Still No Soul (Jun 29 2010)
When creation goes up against evolution, creation gets trounced:
Item 1: http://tinyurl.com/mnkb94
Item 2: http://tinyurl.com/n9dcfh
Item 3: http://tinyurl.com/kt2exk
Item 4: http://tinyurl.com/mfztxy
Item 5: http://tinyurl.com/n596r7
Item 6: http://tinyurl.com/ncree3
Item 7: http://tinyurl.com/nqufcj
Item 8: http://tinyurl.com/p7vu8u
Item 9: http://tinyurl.com/lxjw29
Item 10: http://tinyurl.com/muapjy
Item 11: http://tinyurl.com/nvdqsz
Item 12: http://tinyurl.com/ovpe85
Item 13: http://tinyurl.com/ltk5fy
Item 14: http://tinyurl.com/loykqv
Item 15: http://tinyurl.com/koarf7
Item 16: http://tinyurl.com/lq5jwg
Item 17: http://tinyurl.com/oyjkpu
Item 18: http://tinyurl.com/qha55o
Item 19: http://tinyurl.com/l6e6u2
item 20: http://tinyurl.com/krp2g5
Here are 26 proofs of macroevolution, every one of which Liar Dave ran
from rather than give the scientific discussion he lied he would:
666 items of strong evidence for macroevolution:
Example 1: http://tinyurl.com/dxqjc
Example 2: http://tinyurl.com/d4376
Example 3: http://tinyurl.com/d5vqm
Example 4: http://tinyurl.com/dmbxj
Example 5: http://tinyurl.com/cy7r7
Example 6: http://tinyurl.com/dj9sh
Example 7: http://tinyurl.com/aplxu
Example 8: http://tinyurl.com/clpsx
Examples 9-539: http://tinyurl.com/cy9m2
Example 540: http://tinyurl.com/dsjku
Example 541: http://tinyurl.com/bhxw2
Example 542: http://tinyurl.com/77tyl
Example 543: http://tinyurl.com/bpdqm
Example 544: http://tinyurl.com/czsdq
Example 545: http://tinyurl.com/9qnrc
Example 546: http://tinyurl.com/dxg8s
Example 547: http://tinyurl.com/88kch
Example 548: http://tinyurl.com/88kch (shared with 547 thread)
Example 549: http://tinyurl.com/ccw8y
Example 550: http://tinyurl.com/7cxsz
Example 551: http://tinyurl.com/74o4q
Examples 552-577: http://tinyurl.com/7u8lv
Example 578: http://tinyurl.com/9xo8o
Example 579: http://tinyurl.com/avzzk
Example 580: http://tinyurl.com/7segx
Example 581: http://tinyurl.com/8c8od
Example 582: http://tinyurl.com/9voan
Example 583: http://tinyurl.com/76zao (misnumbered as 582)
Example 584: http://tinyurl.com/crzmz
Example 585: http://tinyurl.com/exagp
Examples 586-590: http://tinyurl.com/c4pea
Example 591: http://tinyurl.com/9aveh
Example 592: http://tinyurl.com/d2vmd
Example 593: http://tinyurl.com/dsg6z
Example 594: http://tinyurl.com/75rdt
Example 595: http://tinyurl.com/ak3oo
Example 596: http://tinyurl.com/anqh5
Example 597: http://tinyurl.com/89zjr
Example 598: http://tinyurl.com/9s6cq
Example 599: http://tinyurl.com/7oorv
Example 600: http://tinyurl.com/cujkx
Examples 601-608: http://tinyurl.com/bnflb
Examples 609-615: http://tinyurl.com/9pl7b
Examples 616-635: http://tinyurl.com/cqb3n
Examples 636-666: http://tinyurl.com/ay53o
"Five Questions Evolutionists Would Rather Dodge" are not dodged at:
And 10 questions creationists would rather dodge are dodged at:
And finally, a leading supporter of intelligent design is disowned by
his own university:
And embarrassed on court on the topic:
http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/Day11PMSession.pdf
And finally, be sure to check Past It Dave's Sure-Fire Guide to
Winning Arguments to see how many of his rules he adhered to in this
"response":
Bible Absurdities, Contradictions, and Lies, parts 1 - 8:
Evolution is supported by solid science. Intelligent design is
nothing
but tired religion. Read "Vital Dust" by Nobel laureate Christian de
Duve. Read about the many experiments that have produced organic
chemicals that are the basis of life. Read about how these same
chemicals are found in space.
Read about:
Abiogenesis:
http://home.houston.rr.com/apologia/orgel.htm
http://informationcentre.tripod.com/abiogenesis.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/default.htm
Proto cells:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/239787.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1142840.stm
Factories of life:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/275738.stm
Lab molecules mimic life:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/217054.stm
Mechanism for evolution described:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/222096.stm
Smallest genome a lot smaller than smallest modern cell:
http://mednews.stanford.edu/news_releases_html/2001/febreleases/bioet...
Precambrian to cambrian:
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/evolution/PSCF12-97Miller.html
Early diversification:
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/Ecology/early_animal_evolution.htm
Transitional forms:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
Primitive fish different:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/504776.stm
Fish with fingers:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/fishfossil0312.html
Snake with legs:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/680116.stm
Ant-wasp evolution:
http://research.amnh.org/entomology/social_insects/publications/ms_sp...
Mosquitoes still evolving:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/158522.stm
Origins of flight:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2664541.stm
4-winged dinos:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2684927.stm
Dog evolution:
http://www.provet.co.uk/online/dogs/evolution%20of%20the%20dog.htm
Human evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
Computer simulated evolution:
http://necsi.org/postdocs/sayama/sdsr/
Evolution vs. creationism debates:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/science/creationism/debates.html
Evolution not "atheist religion":
http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/Inside/01-97/creat2.html
29 Evidences supporting evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
The evolution of the eye:
http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/eye.html
The woodpecker's tongue:
http://omega.med.yale.edu/~rjr38/Woodpecker.htm
Radiometric dating - a Christian perpective:
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html#page
Noah's ark never happened:
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/noahs_ark.html
Ex-creationist on why young Earth creationism doesn't work:
http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/
Another ex-creationist:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/7755/
Creationists cannot define "kind":
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/kinds.htm
Even evolutionists believe in God!:
http://www.exn.ca/Stories/1997/04/04/01.asp
General anti-creationism/pro-evolution FAQs:
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/index.html
http://www.rice.edu/armadillo/Sciacademy/riggins/newindex.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-meritt/complexity.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/dave_matson/young-earth/specif...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Creationism.htm
http://vuletic.com/hume/cefec/index.html
Questionable creationist credentials:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html
Even dyed-in-the-wool creationists think a lot of their arguments are
bad:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp
Why There Is No God:
Parts 1-5 at: http://tinyurl.com/6uhnl
Part 6 at: http://tinyurl.com/3ms66
Parts 7-11 at: http://tinyurl.com/5yhjn
Part 12 at: http://tinyurl.com/5ndow
Parts 13-15 at: http://tinyurl.com/65x6g
Parts 16-25 at: http://tinyurl.com/3jmrq
Parts 26-42 at: http://tinyurl.com/4569y
Parts 43-50 at: http://tinyurl.com/6hkax
Parts 51-55 at: http://tinyurl.com/48abq
Parts 56-65 at: http://tinyurl.com/4a95v
Parts 66-70 at: http://tinyurl.com/3jyxg
Parts 70-78 at: http://tinyurl.com/3jyxg
Parts 79-90 at: http://tinyurl.com/6aa8l
Parts 91-99 at: http://tinyurl.com/6xnhh
Parts 100-119 at: http://tinyurl.com/9fcsw
Parts 120-139 at: http://tinyurl.com/bp8za
Parts 140-155 at: http://tinyurl.com/72vlr
Parts 156-170 at: http://tinyurl.com/d3ubb
Parts 171-174 at: http://tinyurl.com/8jcja
Parts 175-189 at: http://tinyurl.com/cuvxb
Parts 190-199 at: http://tinyurl.com/9uo6f
Parts 200-219 at: http://tinyurl.com/8tsrg
Parts 220-235 at: http://tinyurl.com/a9rc2
Parts 236-245 at: http://tinyurl.com/b9of7
Parts 246-254 at: http://tinyurl.com/cz9yq
Parts 255-280 at: http://tinyurl.com/aze8x
Parts 281-299 at: http://tinyurl.com/7dn3s
Parts 300-325 at: http://tinyurl.com/bj4mu
Parts 326-360 at: http://tinyurl.com/8unme
Parts 361-400 at: http://tinyurl.com/89tdu
Parts 401-500 at: http://tinyurl.com/8un3t
Parts 501-550 at: http://tinyurl.com/8snjp
Parts 551-600 at: http://tinyurl.com/nakgj
Parts 601-640 at: http://tinyurl.com/lrzuz
Parts 641-666 at: http://tinyurl.com/pjjg7
Budikka
And laughing at you because you are too foolish to realize how much of a
fool you are making of yourself. Denying reality only shows us that you
are an irresponsible fool, nothing more.
Ah. Here comes the 4th chimp
We're all chimps. Too bad that you are such a fool as to try to deny it.
He's never seen what a chimp is capable of, outside
of maybe Lancelot Link. Their problem solving abilities
are comparable to those of a preadolescent child (which
in itself is amazing).
Could an adult human have solved this puzzle faster or
more elegantly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrPb41hzYdw
Here's a real holy-shit moment for any creationist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cKg9D4QKCM
I'm impressed.
Creationists are too self-absorbed to realize how impressive that was.
Darwin said human and animal intelligence differed
quantitatively, not qualitatively. How does a cat use
a can opener? By using a human. Intelligence didn't
suddenly appear with the first humans. It's been
around a LOT longer.
I'm not a chimp. I take deep offense to that, you bloody EVOLUTIONIST.
I'm a bonobo.
Make love, not war.
--Marc Riehm.
Only a fool believes that humans split from the ape family.
Bonobos, the peaceful, loving chimps.
So you ignorantly claim.
We didn't split from the ape family. We are a *MEMBER* of the ape
family.
first intelligent comment you've ever made...because, yes,
of course, humans are apes...always have been
--
XO
>Here's a real holy-shit moment for any creationist:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cKg9D4QKCM
That's a totally unfair test. Chimps are actually a lot better at
that sort of test than humans are. It's almost as bad as a human and
a chimp in a termite fishing contest (which humans ALWAYS lose).
--
''I think that gay marriage should be between a man and a woman.'' -
Arnold Schwarzenegger
>We didn't split from the ape family. We are a *MEMBER* of the ape
>family.
They keep making that mistake. Maybe those like Maddy didn't split
far enough.
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion." - Robert
M. Pirsig
Only a bassackwards creationist makes that claim.
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I always remember the short clip of a man with a female bonobo on his
lap. He was somewhat surprised when she turned around and french
kissed him!
Is it on youtube? I had a look but couldn't find it.
Wombat
>I always remember the short clip of a man with a female bonobo on his
>lap. He was somewhat surprised when she turned around and french
>kissed him!
So Bonobos are smarter than creationists.
--
'' ' ''' ' '' ' ''' <-- random quotes
Hell, *trees* are smarter than creationists!
Even petrified trees.
--
"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I
have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow
than in the church" - Ferdinand Magellan
1. Demonstrate with objective evidence that this deity of yours
exists
2. Demonstrate with objective evidence that this deity of yours is
the only deity there is
3. Demonstrate with objective evidence that this deity of yours
created the universe and life on Earth
4. Demonstrate with objective evidence that this deity of yours is
not a figment of your imagination
And since it's a lot easier to kick you in your dumb ass when you're
running away, then by all means keep running, shit-for-brains; it's
what you do best, after all.
Budikka