Do Atheists have a Merry Christmas, or, is it just a superficial dismal facade ???
ilbe...@gmail.com
atheist ; this Season was emotionally painful as it didnt have any
purpose or meaning other than getting a few wrapped gifts from family
in addition to hitting the beer as another excuse to get drunk.
Mustering up some joy was a very daunting task because back then, I
couldnt just turn it off and on ; it never felt right. Im so very
glad that I can experience the true meaning of Christmas which reveals
our Creators love for us in sending his own Son to this darkened World
so we can be reconciled to God based on Jesus' sacrificial
historically verified death and ressurection. He said if we believe
in him and what he did for us, then we too will beat death which must
come to all of us. To be absent from this physical body, is to be at
home with God ... for those who love him and desire him ; think of
the horrendous crime it is to keep on refusing to acknowledge the very
Creator of the Universe -- what greater act of pride and rebellion
could there possibly be ? All so we can live as we like for a few
short earthly years ??? What an enormous waste and self centered
motive. If youre finding yourself wrapped up in this.... you can break
free by celebrating what Christmas is truly all about --- The Creator
making himself known , personally, by coming to the very Planet he
created so we could have a place to call hom. He is knowable, and
Christmas will take you there....IF you will allow.
J Roc
> atheist ; this Season was emotionally painful as it didnt have any
> purpose or meaning other than getting a few wrapped gifts from family
> in addition to hitting the beer as another excuse to get drunk.
> Mustering up some joy was a very daunting task because back then, I
> couldnt just turn it off and on ; it never felt right.
Sounds as if you had some other issues. I would assess by your
statements, that you were experiencing nihilism. It seems like you
are generalizing your personal experience and applying it to all
atheists, which is not valid. Most atheists are humanistic and
naturalistic, not nihilistic and have found freedom and enlightenment
once removed from such superstitious belief systems.
> Im so very glad that I can experience the true meaning of
Christmas
The true meaning of "christmas" is pagan. Is that what you mean?
> which reveals our Creators love for us in sending his own Son to this darkened World
This is a Zoroastrian concept which probably entered into jewish
thought during the Persian Empire. It predates christianity.
> so we can be reconciled to God based on Jesus' sacrificial
> historically verified death and ressurrection.
#1. This theology is absurd - god needs blood, suffering, and death to
pay for people's sins??? Primitive ideology.
#2. What is your criteria for "historically verified?" It must be
pretty low.
The gospels were more second, third hand hearsay written down at least
30 years after his alleged resurrection and at least 60 years after
his alleged birth Those are lenient est. It may have been around 100
years. The fact is we do not know. That is the whole point...it is
irrational to base one's belief system on something so uncertain and
gap filled.
>He said if we believe in him and what he did for us, then we too will beat death which must
> come to all of us.
> To be absent from this physical body, is to be at home with God ... for those who love him and desire him ;
Assertion and empty arguments
argumentum ad verecundiam
appeal to faith
> think of the horrendous crime it is to keep on refusing to acknowledge the very
> Creator of the Universe -- what greater act of pride and rebellion
> could there possibly be ?
argumentum ad hominem
> All so we can live as we like for a few short earthly years ??? What an enormous waste and self centered
> motive. If youre finding yourself wrapped up in this....
argumentum ad hominem
By the way, according to the bible god's sovereignty and providence
directs and controls all, therefore, this is god's will to make his
glory known. (look it up)
So, in the end god has ultimate culpability.
>you can break
> free by celebrating what Christmas is truly all about ---
Saturn, Mithra, Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, Santa Claus, spending
money, eating, putting up pagan representations to celebrate the
winter solstice.
> The Creator
>making himself known , personally, by coming to the very Planet he
> created so we could have a place to call hom. He is knowable, and
> Christmas will take you there....
Assertion and empty arguments
argumentum ad verecundiam
appeal to faith
>IF you will allow.
Keep that spook away from me!!!
Merry Christmas ;)
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
bob young
On 12/19/09 8:26 AM, in article
8a584040-ea76-420a...@f20g2000vbl.googlegroups.com,
"IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, So assuming the whole thing above is not a sick lie, then you became
brainwashed by other humans.
Tell us what else is new - it happens all over the world all of the time.
People are moulded into believers just like others are moulded into
energetic football team supporters.
FYI. Homo Sapiens is a clubbish animal from way back to his early origins,
when he hunted in packs following behind his alpha leaders.
Nothing changes very much does it ?
M
> 8a584040-ea76-420a...@f20g2000vbl.googlegroups.com,
> "IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Im so very
>> glad that I can experience the true meaning of Christmas which
>> reveals our Creators love for us in sending his own Son to this
>> darkened World so we can be reconciled to God based on Jesus'
>> sacrificial historically verified death and ressurection.
'Historically verified'...!! LOLOL!!!
M.
Ken
> I remember Christmas' of years past when it didnt have any
> purpose or meaning other than getting a few wrapped gifts from family
> in addition to hitting the beer as another excuse to get drunk.
After which you'd sneek down to the local gay bar for some anonymous
sexual encounters, eh?