Seventh Day Adventists Affirm 6,000 Year Old Earth, Six Literal Days of Creation
Budikka666
I guess they're not in favor of teaching the controversy either! LoL!
Budikka
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
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> http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2009/11/seventh-day-adv.html
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> I guess they're not in favor of teaching the controversy either! LoL!
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> Budikka
and, in doing so, they confirm their stupidity.
ilbe...@gmail.com
Please discuss how the Moon touched the Earth, our Sun kissed the
Earth, and why there was only a half inch of space dust on the Moons
surface...if the 'millions of years mantra' is true. Can you also
tell us why you dont want a personal Creator to exist for our personal
Cosmos/Earth ? How does this relate to your lifestyle choices ?
Regards.
Mark Evans
The moon did not only touch the earth, it was part of it. The sun and
earth both formed from the same dust cloud and never touched but a
collision with another hunk of rock in our area is what gave us the
moon. The estimates of dust on the moon prior to the first landing
were in error. (Or maybe a cosmic maid stops by now and then.) Why
do you insist on a simplistic, child-like universe and turn a blind
eye to the wonderful one we live in? How does this relate to your
lifestyle choices? Is it really that enjoyable to live with blinders
on?
Mark Evans
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Gay people disgust me! There is no way in hell that they should be
allowed to marry the same sex. It is unethical and just not right! Why
would we want to promote this by voting yes to ref. 71?! Even the
bible states that marriage should be between a man and a woman and I'm
not even religious in any way! In my opinion I wish queers got sent to
an island in the middle of the ocean somewhere so they could do their
own thing and not interfere with the rest of society :)
hoser1605
Excellent post.
Mitchell Holman
wrote in news:0eb3ae51-c888-4133-98ec-
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>
> Gay people disgust me! There is no way in hell that they should be
> allowed to marry the same sex. It is unethical and just not right! Why
> would we want to promote this by voting yes to ref. 71?! Even the
> bible states that marriage should be between a man and a woman
True!
And if the woman is not a virgin then the same
Bible says we have to kill her.
You DO support that, no?
"But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on
her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is
not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her
fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death,
because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness
in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from
your midst." (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Ken
you have to be the
dumbest, most ignorant person I've run across in that time"
Brian E. Clark
c9a868...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
ilbe...@gmail.com says...
> Please discuss how the Moon touched the Earth,
This has been explained to you before, many times.
> our Sun kissed the Earth,
This has been explained to you before, many times.
> and why there was only a half inch of space dust on
> the Moons surface...
This has been explained to you before, many times.
It is up to *you* to explain why you discount the cogent,
convincing arguments you've been given regarding these and
many other so-called problems you mindlessly and endlessly
toss out.
> Can you also tell us why you dont want a personal Creator
> to exist for our personal Cosmos/Earth ?
It's nothing to do with wanting or not wanting, because a
sensible person is concerned with what really exists.
--
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Brian E. Clark
Budikka666
The challenge I offered you in this thread:
http://tinyurl.com/nubnxr
on May 11th 2009, only to see you RUN AWAY.
Unmet challenge #2
Provide *positive*, *scientific* evidence *for* a creation. Not Bible
quotes. Not quotes from creationists or atheists or evolutionists.
Not divine revelation. Not juvenile unsupported ignorant assertions.
Not chants of 'no it isn't!'. Not counter challenges when you haven't
even met ours, but *positive*, *scientific* evidence *for* a creation.
Unmet challenge #3
Provide evidence that shows how DNA is the work of a creator. Show us
this evidence and explain how it demonstrates a creator.
Unmet challenge #4
Support claims that bacteria have never arisen from anything other
than bacteria/life has never arisen from anything but life.
Unmet challenge #5
Provide evidence in support of the creationist claim that information
cannot be added to a genome.
Unmet challenge #6
Define scientifically what the "genetic boundaries" are: specifically
what the mechanism is which (according to creationist claims) prevents
one species from evolving into another species over time.
Unmet Challenge #7
Provide your scientific evidence (as opposed to your LYING,
unsupported bullshit, which has been refuted repeatedly) to support
your creationist claim that life cannot arise from organic chemistry,
when scientists have repeatedly demonstrated that the truth is quite
to the contrary
Unmet Challenge #8
Prove that there's a god out there waiting to judge me when I die.
Otherwise you and your creationist fundie ilk are nothing but pathetic
LIARS and FRAUDS.
Unmet Challenge #9
Prove that we have a soul. Demonstrate scientifically where it is and
what its purpose is.
Unmet Challenge #10
Prove that this fictional Jesus isn't fictional and that he literally
died and that he came back to life and went to Heaven.
Here's a list of the strongest advocates of creation on Usenet WHO
HAVE FLED one or more of these challenges:
Chicken Adman
Chicken Andrew
Chicken Brother Ted
Chicken Codebreaker
Chicken Curtjester1
Chicken Duke
Chicken Gabriel
Chicken I'll Be Bauck
Chicken Pastor Dave
Let's face it, NOT A SINGLE creationist on Usenet has been able to
find the guts to face these challenges. This fictional god of theirs
has deserted every one of these liars and frauds That's what a sad,
pathetic and vacuous bunch of lousy, low-life scum they are.
Case closed. End of story. End of You.
Budikka
ilbe...@gmail.com
Not A SHRED of evidence for the Moon being part of the Earth ;
furthermore if it were , the oceans and other large bodies of water
would be feet thick from no tide. It isnt . There should be FEET
thick of Moon dust if the Universe is 4.5 billions years old. How
does 'a Dust Cloud' provide a Sun/Earth relationship whereby the two
are seperated by some 93,000,000 miles yet maintains the Earth at a
150 f. spread of temperature at all times of the year ? How did 'a
Dust Cloud' give us our Physics Constants necessary for the Cosmos so
earth can be here to the tune of 120 decimal places critical
tolerance ?! You dont have that much faith and neither can I nor
anyone else .Now..to answer your questions to me : I never asserted
that the cosmos is simplistic ; in fact, it is so highly complex and
mind boggling razor edge precise , that only a willful Mind at work
could possibly account for what we have . But alas...how come you dont
want that ? Whats your lifestyle like ? Mine is wonderful because I
have a personal real relationship with the personal almighty Creator/
Designer of the Universe -- I so look forward to being with him
forever. I dont live with biased-blinders on -- I live in the reality
of admitting it takes a Designer for every design / this Cosmos and
Earth is so highly engineered tweaked / therefore there is a personal
Designer-Creator who is knowable and who I enjoy learning of . You
could too but it requires squelching ones pride .
haiku jones
> On Nov 18, 7:31 am, Mark Evans <markevans1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 18, 7:44 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Nov 18, 4:15 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
> ? How did 'a
> Dust Cloud' give us our Physics Constants necessary for the Cosmos so
> earth can be here to the tune of 120 decimal places critical
> tolerance ?!
You've been asked before: what physical constant is known
to 120 decimal places?
Put up or shut up, pal.
Haiku Jones
archie dux
If that's your desire, don't you think you should work
on this little problem you have with lying, lest your
Creator decide he doesn't want to hang out with
someone *that* dishonest for all eternity?
Archie
ilbe...@gmail.com
<brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article <0cd813a3-2a99-4a48-9fbc-
> c9a868aab...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> ilbeba...@gmail.com says...
It has been THEORIZED many times before, but with not with one shred
of evidence . Im a sensible person who bases rationality on
confirmed evidence and not desperate philosophies including chance,
time, accidents, over billions of years . Does the Earth look like
an accident to you / How about your Human Anatomy ? From what you
know of your human brain and its capabilities...does it look like the
product of a big explosion that took place ? Does your personality
traits seem to have come from the NON personality traits of
materials ? How does UNdirected rocks/dirt/raw chemicals serve to
give a person abstracting thinking , rationale, reasoning,
discernment, love, ethical and moral oughtness, etc... ? Atheism
is the worlds foremost irrational secular Religion that was ever
devised -- it doesnt make a bit of sense and no one truly has enough
faith to think everything is just one big cosmic burp of accidental
compilations upon compilations....unless of course one wishes to have
ultimate control over his own life and lifestyle choices whether
correct or wrong / moral or immoral. In short, people dont want
to be OWNED -- not even if it means by the Cosmos' Creator. Well,
thats just too bad --- The Creator isnt going away and he deserves
the honor and praise freely given by all of creation from the birds
of the air to self centered egotistical human beings.
Ralph
I only wish that you could join your creator tonight.
Ralph
Your creator is a figment of your imagination.
ilbe...@gmail.com
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I shall as I do each night .
ilbe...@gmail.com
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Your imagination of coming from a piece of ancient slime is an acute
one .
Mark Evans
Could you repost the above after chopping it into a logical order? As
it is responding is difficult and requires me to try and make sense of
your ramblings. But here goes.
> Not A SHRED of evidence for the Moon being part of the Earth ;
> furthermore if it were , the oceans and other large bodies of water
> would be feet thick from no tide. It isnt .
They are made of the same substance and are the same age. There were
no water tides when the moon formed because the earth had no oceans.
And the tides today are many feet "thick", by which I think you mean
high. And why would the earth and moon once being one body influence
tides in the way you think it would since the tides are due to the
moon, and to a lesser degree, the sun.
>How does 'a Dust Cloud' provide a Sun/Earth relationship whereby the two
> are seperated by some 93,000,000 miles yet maintains the Earth at a
> 150 f. spread of temperature at all times of the year ?
Most of the mass of the cloud condensed into the sun. A small
percentage formed the planets and other junk in the solar system.
(OK, some bodies may have wandered in from elsewhere.) The distance
between the earth and the sun resulted from what may be called
ripples, or even knots, in the cloud. The earth just happened to form
a little under 100000000 mile out. Other planets formed at different
distances. Anything that did not attain a stable orbit was either
ejected from the system or fell into the sun. Earth had another
sizable chunk in the same orbit. The collision of the two resulted in
ejection of material that eventually formed the moon (and, if you want
to be technical, earth version 2.) If we were closer to the sun, or
had a different blanket of gasses, or had a different star, or got hit
with another big rock or farther from the sun we would be hotter or
cooler.
>How did 'a Dust Cloud' give us our Physics Constants necessary for the Cosmos so
> earth can be here to the tune of 120 decimal places critical
> tolerance ?!
The laws of physics pre-date the formation of the solar system by
billions of years. The dust cloud our system came from was made from
previous generations of stars, and that took time. BTW, there is
nothing sacred about the laws of physics nor are they "legal". They
are descriptions about how things act drawn from careful
observation. If more accurate observation indicates that they need to
be revised they will, but that will not change the way the universe
works. And what constants are you raving about? You never say what
they are and, off hand, I know of no constant known to 120 decimal
places. You sure you are not thinking of the value of pi, which has
been calculated far past 120 decimal places.
> I never asserted
> that the cosmos is simplistic ; in fact, it is so highly complex and
> mind boggling razor edge precise , that only a willful Mind at work
> could possibly account for what we have . But alas...how come you dont
> want that ?
You have a simplistic view of a simple universe deigned and built in
an orderly fashion by an being of unknown power and origin with
obscure motives who seems to be very fond of beetles. The illusion of
razor edge precision is due to comformation to the conditions, not to
conditions being designed. It is not an issue of what I, or you,
want. It is just the way it is.
>Whats your lifestyle like ? Mine is wonderful because I
> have a personal real relationship with the personal almighty Creator/
> Designer of the Universe -- I so look forward to being with him
> forever.
My lifestyle is quite enjoyable, even wonderful. I appreciate my life
and really enjoy observing the interaction of everything, biological
and not, that make up the universe. It is really amazing what
hydrogen can do in in large amounts if given enough time. I, and you
even if you deny it, are children of the stars. What an amazing thing
this is. The atoms in my body, except hydrogen and maybe some helium,
were forged in the hearts of stars billions of years ago. If you
prefer your fantasy of a big huggable and poorly defined father
figure and can't face things without it, well good luck with that.
Mark Evans
You are blinded by your self-imposed blinkers to such a degree that
you do not even know how isolated from reality you are. It is a pity
that you are. Reality can be uncomfortable but it has advantages and
is actually quite lovely. Try it sometime.
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
Gay people disgust me! There is no way in hell that they should be
allowed to marry the same sex. It is unethical and just not right! Why
would we want to promote this by voting yes to ref. 71?! Even the
bible states that marriage should be between a man and a woman and I'm
not even religious in any way! In my opinion I wish queers got sent to
an island in the middle of the ocean somewhere so they could do their
own thing and not interfere with the rest of society :)
*****Nothing more than a homophobic rant from an ignoramus.
***** We should, for the betterment of the human race - AND America, find an
isolated island in the middle of the ocean
*****so they can spout their psychotic ignorance to their hearts content
.......... and allow democracies to move forward.
Ken
Yap
Hey, naive.
The constant calamities in this earth show there is no creator of any
sort.
It's as simple as that......but you ignore solid facts.
Ralph
Dave, just how bad was your personal life before you "found" the 'creator'?
Ralph
The only slime I see around here is you.
Don Martin
This is the sect that began with people jumping off of barns,
expecting to fly into the bosom of Abraham at the End of the World
back in 1842. (That _was_ GMT, wasn't it?) I would not look to them
for profundity of thought.
Tim Miller
Ahem, that's his "personal creator". Apparently, Dave's version has
a *different* creator for each of us. I've picked Huitzilopochtli.
Ken
> I shall as I do each night
Which is to ignore reality, science, truth, education, evolution,
intelligence and instead put your deaf, dumb and blind faith in a
collection of 2000 year old fairy tales.
Dimwitted dumbfuck dave--->2 ignorant 2 comprehend his own stupidity.
AusShane
give a person abstracting thinking , rationale, reasoning,
discernment, love, ethical and moral oughtness, etc... ? Atheism
is the worlds foremost irrational secular Religion that was ever
devised -- it doesnt make a bit of sense"
Evolution is not undirected - due to the nature of nature successful
genetic variations survive unsuccessful ones do not. Its a powerful
driver that can produce changes in a surprisingly short time. These
changes have been observed and documented.
Atheism is a religion??? - I am sure someone here can comment on
that.
As for it being irrational - How is a human being taking
responsibility for their own actions and accepting the consequences
irrational? Moral behaviour stems from those decisions not from some
invisible fountain that can be interpreted a million different ways.
As opposed to an invisible entity whose doctrines change depending
upon which part of which ancient book you happen to spontaneously
believe??