Atheism is CATEGORICAL DENIAL of Deities Existing according to Hypatia, not mere non-belief. WHERE's THE PROOF?

[fasgnadh]

How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
"non-belief in deities":

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
# Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
# what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
#
# On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
# > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
# >
# >>your name and/or nickname:
# >
# > Dreamer Incolore

Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D

That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!

# >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
# >
# > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")

That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"

To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
you need to prove that no deities exist.

Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"

# You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
# Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!

As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
merely the lack of belief in a God,
it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF



So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist, even if
they
have NO PROOF for that belief!


"It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.


---------

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.

That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
declines:

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/


" every ... �atheist society� has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE;

http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:fasgnadh


"Communism, of course, is an ideology, of which atheism is a part of."

- Scott Balneave explaining how atheism is part of Lenin's IDEOLOGY.
http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:fasgnadh

Lenin, Scott Balneave's ideological mentor, saying the same thing;

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAA

So, that's CLEAR and INDISPUTABLE! B^]

Balneave paused between eating a whole cow and being forklifted into a
hospital bed, to proudly describe "The atrocities these states committed"
and admits these atheist states "had leaders who used state-sponsored
atheism as a tool" ibid

All those leaders using state-sponsored atheist ideology were
atheists: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim ill Fuk

The Unspeakable evil of atheist societies - by an insider: Scott Balneave..

https://twitter.com/sbalneav

...an unspeakably fat glutton who accidentally ate a school bus
full of children for lunch:


http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7324/scottbalneavebus.jpg 8^o


A passer by who had to cross the road to get by him quipped;

"DAMN, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN PREGNANT!" B^D

[Andy Wainwright]

Depends on the type of athiesm. Non-materialistic athiesm, i.e. that
recognises Karma is as good an outlook as any.

[casey]

On Mar 30, 9:55 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [...]

> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
> you need to prove that no deities exist.

To demonstrate the theist belief statement is true,
you need to prove that deities exist.

[Syd M.]

On Mar 30, 6:55 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
> "non-belief in deities":
>
>

It is what is, and you don't get to define us, Failednuts.

PDW

[felix_unger]

you don't get to tell ppl what they can think or not

>
> PDW


--
rgds,

Pete
-------
http://theangryatheist.ausnet.info

[Syd M.]

On Mar 30, 10:52 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 31-March-2013 1:10 AM, Syd M. wrote:
>
> > On Mar 30, 6:55 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
> >> "non-belief in deities":
>
> > It is what is, and you don't get to define us, Failednuts.
>
> you don't get to tell ppl what they can think or not
>

So, who's trying to do that, asshole?
Not I.

PDW

[R Brown]

> " every ... �atheist society� has been an

> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>

Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say, "There is proof of no gods" but
rather, "There is no proof of gods."

Do you catch the difference, or is it too subtle and not in keeping
with your hate-mongering style?

I thought not.

That's why I say...

"When you're talking with a creationist, it's not the heat, it's the
stupidity." - R.Brown


--

[Father Haskell]

On Mar 30, 10:52 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>

> you don't get to tell ppl what they can think or not

Calm down. Put on some relaxing music and take a
pill. Take a whole BUNCH of them.

[fasgnadh]

Syd M. atheists snip the evidence but can't escape the TRUTH:

> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
>>
>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>> "non-belief in deities":
>>

>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>> #
>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>> # >
>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>> # >
>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>
>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>
>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>
>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>> # >
>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>
>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>
>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>> you need to prove that no deities exist.

Where is the proof!?

Why are Hysteria, Screamer and all the atheists SNIPPING AND RUNNING
from the FACTS!

B^]

>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>>
>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!
>>
>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
>> merely the lack of belief in a God,
>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF
>>
>>
>>
>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist, even if
>> they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>

> It is what is

And what it is is an UNPROVEN BELIEF!

>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>

> you don't get to define us

> Failednuts.

Dear Failednuts,

I have not tried to define you, i have quoted, verbatim
an atheist describing his UNPROVEN BELIEF as his TYPE OF ATHEIST

and the Keeper of Your LIST of atheists accepting his UNPROVEN
BELIEF as proof he is an atheist, and adding him to a list.

The Ball is clearly in the atheist court to provide PROOF of
your UNPORVEN atheist belief that "It is false that any deities exist"

Instead they will, and you can check the thread to see the indisputable
evidence of theis, SNIP THE EVIDENCE OF THEIR ADMISSION THAT ATHEISM
IS NOT JUST A NON-BELIEF, and try to change the subject to theism.

This is about ATHEISM and the LIES they have told for years being
exposed, AGAIN!

B^]

Snot Balneave was right about atheists, they lack honesty, integrity
and a capacity for rational thought and civilised discourse;

>> ---------
>>
>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>
>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>
>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.
>>
>> That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
>> declines:
>>

--

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

[felix_unger]

you

> asshole?

don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure some ppl like you

> Not I.
>
> PDW

[fasgnadh]

On 31/03/2013 7:06 AM, hypatiab7 continues to run:
> Christopher A. Lee has no proof as usual:
>> hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net> still running from the truth :
>>> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:36:24 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>> casey having no proof for atheist BELIEFS, trys to change the subject:

>>>>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>

>>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>>>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>>>>>

>>>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>>>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> To demonstrate the theist belief statement is true,
>>>>> you need to prove that deities exist.
>>>>>

Irrelevant to the problem for atheists being UNABLE to PROVE **THEIR**
BELIEFS

It's a statement of BELIEF as Casey admit, the atheist statement
is a categorical CLAIM "It is False that any deities exist"

It requires proof.

>>>> The theist position is that "we believe there is a God".

Theists have always said that, it's called Faith.

But the problem for atheists is they CLAIM to be Rational,
and so their ATHEIST BELIEFS require PROOF..

>>>>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>>>>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>>

>> The statement that is it a fact, is implicit when they talk about it
>> as if it were real.

and atheists do that FREQUENTLY:

Atheist clothing There is no God

http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

LA no gods
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg

When they want to pretend an aura of 'Science' about THEIR
unproven beliefs, they pretend they have calculated probability:
"Probably no Gods"
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg

But here we have atheists acknowledging and welcoming a fellow
ATHEIST BELIEVER.. because NONE of them have PROOF for their
UNFOUNDED BELIEF! B^]

Q.E.D.

>>>>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>>>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!

Where is the proof for the claim you just accepted as ATHEIST BELIEF! B^]

>>>>>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
>>>>>> merely the lack of belief in a God,
>>>>>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF
>>

>> But then he knows this because it has been pointed out to him every
>> time he has repeated this lie.

>>>>>>
>>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist, even if
>>>>>> they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.

Why can't the atheists simply admit they have no more proof, even less
EVIDENCE, for THEIR beliefs than the theists do!!!! B^D

>> But they don't have the honesty to do that, and it would reduce the
>> impact of what they insist on telling us.

That is true, and providees more proof for Snot Balneave's thesis
about atheists;

>>>>>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>>>>>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>>>>>

>>>>>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience of atheism,

>>>>>> apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
>>>>>> declines:

---------

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[felix_unger]

very true. (and quotable!)

[fasgnadh]

As No atheist has any proof for the atheist Beliefs I have documented
in this thread, and that is clear to all rational readers,
I want to take some time out to document in detail how atheist
trolls work to evade issues where their irrationality has been proven.

I will demonstrate the following propositions;

Atheist's debate some of those they label as trolls, only if those they
label can assist thhe atheists in CHANGING THE SUBJECT allowing the
atheists to SNIP AND RUN from the topic, because the atheists are
themselves trolls.

Those who the atheists brand as trolls, but whom who they refuse to
debate are the ones they fear most.

Once you understand the dynamics of these anti-intellectual atheist
trolls you can avoid their dishonest Snip and Run tactics:

As this entire thread shows, the atheists must first have a stooge
to remove the ENTIRE topic, and place an entirely IRRELEVANT diversion:

1. SNIP and run from the topic as soon as they can and


2. Insert an irrelevant and provocative Trolling statement
as a distraction from the topic they cannot debate.
The irrelevance will provoke a theist to respond, and
the atheists have now Hi-jacked the subject and can
return to SCRIPT.
In this thread that hijacking was carried out by Casey,
you don't need to be bright to be an atheist stooge, you
just FOLLOW THE TIMEWORN SCRIPT. yawn

You can tell if this has worked if the SUBJECT no longer
matches the discussion.

At that point you are wasting your time reading the thread,
it has become like EVERY OTHER THREAD a pointless metaphysical
debate between two groups of fundies with fixed positions and
NO PROOF for their repsective beliefs, although the theists,
if they are any good, have whole civilisations worth of
HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that their beliefs are more useful to
humans than the atheist ideology, as actualised in the
atheist states Snot Balneave describes as 'evil abominations'


Atheists, you will soon discover, DESPISE RATIONAL DEBATE.

This topic is a classic, it is ENTIRELY about ATHEISM,
quotes only ATHEISTS as evidence of their beliefs and
the very first atheist poster SNIPS IT ALL and initiates
the same deadly distraction and diversion into dismally
degraded dogma that we see every BORING FUCKING DAY
from the MINDLESS Atheist BORG!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA




Father Haskell and all the other atheist tools join in:
> Joe Bruno bites:
>> casey snips the evidence and initiates step One:

>>> On Mar 30, 9:55 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<UNSNIP>

Let the light of day shine in upon the alt.atheism CESSPIT
of tiny minds, of shriveled intellects, of sad worn-out dogma,
trotted out by wrote as soon as they can BURY any intelelctual
cjallenges to their IRRATIONAL ENTRENCHED BELIEFS:

Have a nice day, you tools, you are EXACT REPLICANTS of your
atheist ANCESTORS:

http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG

>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>>> #
>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>> # >
>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>> # >
>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>
>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>
>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!

You can see why the atheists wanted to get rid of this Prelude,
it shows that ANYONE with a sock can add to the Atheist LIST,
as often as they care to! B^D

They claim over 2000, HOW MANY ARE STILL ACTIVE!? B^D

I count a few DOZEN irregular visitors and less regulars.

I have posted the NG stats PROVING their decline,

and PREDICTED the DEATH of alt.atheism.moderated which died
of BOREDOM, because even the atheists realised that atheism
HAS NOTHING TO SAY!

Anyone heard of the Soviet Show Trials?

Kangaroo Courts, they were set ups, complete Propaganda shams.

Here's the scenario:

There have been no atheist conversions online since Noah
was a boy!
Hypatia and Snot have pumped up the corpse of an old website,
which like their FAQ, AQOTM etc had been abandoned due to DISINTEREST.

It's easy to build a website, you don't need more than one person,
and it looks as if something is going on. It doesn't require the
active membership which ALT.ATHEISM.MODERATED DEMONSTRATED DOES NOT
EXIST!!!!

Capice? B^]

Along comes Dreamer, a 47 year old, self proclaimed newbie atheist,
he posts for a few days then applies for BAAWA membership.

But, as most atheists are not big on thinking, he over-reaches
and declares his ATHEIST BELIEFS.. something all the old hands
refuse to do, because then they NEED PROOF, so they have this
lie that "atheism is nothing but non-belief"

It makes them a small target, they can't be asked to DO anything,


Of course it's ALL PR BULLSHIT, they put their beliefs out on the
sides of Buses on t-Shirts on all their public campaigns:

"There is no God" is an ATHEIST BELIEF!

http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

LA Public Declaration - No Gods:
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg

Probably no Gods
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg

Dawkins wanted "There is no God" But was talked into copying a BEER
AD because it might sell better, and they added "Probably"

But they still can't show any mathematical basis for the PROBABILITY
of their belief! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA

And of course the HISTORICAL REALITY of atheism is violent anti-theism;

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

So it is rare for them to admit their beliefs and ahve them endorsed
by the GateKeeper of the Atheist List of Imaginary Members:

>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>> # >
>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")

And That is what they are now SNIPPING AND RUNNING FROM
like chooks with their heads cut off.

>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>>>

>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.

Now if you want to see the atheist SHUT THE FUCK UP AND RUN AWAY
STICKING THEIR HEADS UP EACH OTHER'S ARSES, OR THEIR OWN, TO AVOID
SEEING THE TRUTH, then just learn the Golden rule of how atheists
mass-Debate: LOOK AT WHAT THEY SNIP, and what they replace it with
and do not allow them to CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

Because they are, slimy, dishonest, lying, evil fucktards,
and their current spokes-Orc a proven lying hypocrite himself, admits;

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.

So having snipped all the EVIDENCE showing the ATHEIST BELIEF,
casey groundshifts, one of the oldest, most dishonest tools
in rank rhetorical deception, BELOVED of slimy politicians,
and replaces the subject with a distraction:

>>> To demonstrate the theist belief statement is true,

Stop trying to change the subject!

Face the FACTS about atheist LIES and DELUSIONS AND HYPOCRISY:

>>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>>>>
>>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!
>>>>
>>>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
>>>> merely the lack of belief in a God,
>>>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF
>

> No. It's called lying.

Agreed. The atheists KNOW they have no proof, not even the vast
circumstantial evidence for religious beliefs that History provides,
they are deliberately pretending a knowledge they do no, and cannot
logically have.

>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist, even if
>>>> they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------
>>>>
>>>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>>>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>>>
>>>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>>>
>>>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.
>>>>
>>>> That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
>>>> declines:

---------

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[fasgnadh]

> Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say, "There is proof of no gods"

But the atheists repeatedly make the claim, without proof,
that there is no God or Gods, that is the point!

They put their UNPROVEN **BELIEFS** out on the
sides of Buses, on t-Shirts, on their public campaigns:

"There is no God" is an ATHEIST BELIEF:

http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

LA Public Declaration - No Gods:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg

Sometimes they pretend a nod to science; "Probably" no Gods; B^p

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg

Dawkins wanted "There is no God" But was talked into copying a BEER
AD because it might sell better, and they added "Probably"

But they still can't show any mathematical basis for the PROBABILITY
of their belief! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA

And of course the HISTORICAL REALITY of atheism is violent anti-theism;

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

> but rather, "There is no proof of gods."

Sure you prefer that, you want to change the argument from
"WHERE IS THE PROOF OF ATHEIST BELIEFS ABOUT GOD?"
to
"WHERE IS THE PROOF OF THEIST BELIEFS ABOUT GOD?"

When NEITHER of you have CATEGORICAL PROOF of your beliefs!

But here's the difference, theism acknowledges they live and act in
FAITH as well as reason, they accept belief as a normal part of human
life, family, community and understanding the cosmos.

We believe our wives and children love us, based on the reality we
daily perceive, we cannot PROVE it to some spiritually withered
Nihilist, atheist or some sociopath who has never experienced Agape!

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SNIP AND RUN FROM THE EVIDENCE, as most atheists in
this thread have done!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAA

I'm an agnostic, it is a logical IMPOSSIBILITY to disprove
the existence of God, thus the atheist beliefs are irrational.

It is a logical possibility to prove the existence of God, but
while there is enormous evidence in History, it has not been
conclusively proven.

So their remains doubt, which is the rational awareness of lack
of conclusive knowledge in this area which leads to

rational agnosticism, "we just don't KNOW for sure"

rational theism "we may not know for sure, but believe in God/s based on
the evidence available"

and atheism as accepted and defended in alt.atheism by all the
participating atheists "we have no proof but believe:


Q.E.D.

> Do you catch the difference,

I defined the difference. did you UNDERSTAND IT?

Can you explain where the proof is for that categorical
statement of atheist belief?

Or is it too subtle and not in keeping with your
slimy ad hom and weak, irrational insinueations:

> or is it too subtle and not in keeping
> with your hate-mongering style?

Do you have ANY proof of the atheist belief that

"It is false that any deities exist"

> I thought not.


Then thou shouldst try to think in future!

> That's why I say...

When you BELIEVE FALSELY and without proof that you are
talking to a Creationist, when actually you are just
talking through your arse, as usual, you just look stupid;

> "When you're talking with a creationist, it's not the heat, it's the
> stupidity." - R.Brown

Thanks for demonstrating the sly, dishonest lack of intellectual
integrity which you fellow atheist claims is universal among atheists;

>> ---------
>>
>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>
>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>
>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.
>>

No wonder atheism continues in relative decline,
they have NOTHING WORTHWHILE to say to anyone;


---------

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


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-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[Syd M.]

On Mar 30, 8:39 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 31/03/2013 2:55 AM, R Brown wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > fasgnadh wrote:
>
> >> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
> >> "non-belief in deities":
>
> >> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
> >> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
> >> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
> >> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
> >> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?

> >> # From: hypatiab7 <hypati...@comcast.net>

Just refuse to stop lying, eh, Failednuts?

PDW

[fasgnadh]

Gutless atheist coward Christopher A. Lee debates the atheist lie:
> walksalone performs theFACT SNIP so atheists can lie more freely;
>> Dakota rejects atheism now that she knoes it's beliefs:

>>
>>> On 3/30/2013 10:55 AM, R Brown wrote:
>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>

>> snip

Lets put the facts about unproven atheist BELIEFS back so that atheist
liars can't keep LYING about it:

<unsnip>

>>> The claim that no deities exist is an unproven claim. The term
>>> 'unproven belief' is ridiculous.
>>
>> Attributte screwed up?

Nope, that's an atheist named Dakota admitting that the atheist
claim is an unproven belief.

You would know that if one of you replying atheists had not
fucked with the attributions, a typical atheist deceit.

And YOU are the one that snipped! B^]

>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist, even if
>>>>> they
>>>>> have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.

>> What is presented here is not what atheists use,

what I presented, is verbatim quotes of the UNPROVEN categorical
claim made by one atheist and accepted by Hypatia, your keeper
of the List of Imaginary Atheist Members, WITHOUT ANY RATIONAL
SUPPORT.

It's an A Grade Certified ATHESIT BELIEF

Now run along and lie about it amongst yourselves
as if I haven't just put back the PROOF of your
dishonesty after you snipped the facts so you could
LIE about them:


>> but a tailor made handy dandy one size fits all special definition

Bloviation is the atheists preferred transition from my facts to their lies:

>> that works for the atheist known as faswhatever,

Nope, as everyone can see your post shows you replying to Dakota the
atheist author.

Anyone can trace my posts and see that it's not my words, YOU LYING
ATHEIST FUCKTARDS SNIPPED MY WORDS so you could LIE ABOUT THEM!

B^}

Thanks for demonstrating what Snot Balneave says about all you atheists;

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAA

Oh and look, because that gutless wimp "Chris "Drillchuck" Lee
never reads the facts he just accepted the Dakota/walksalone
FABRICATION and SWALLOWED IT WHOLE, like it was just another
atheist crock;


> Theists use it

It was ATHEISTS who said it you stupid atheist CROCKSUCKER!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHA

So tell us WHY did atheists say it:

> because they are incapable of understanding the world
> beyond their religion

Oh we have seen atheists have beleifs, but do you really
think that makes it a religion?

I mean atheists themselves say so, BUT WHERES THE PROOF;?

# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

Hey Chris, word is you were one of the first atheist
choir-boys to be butfucked by an atheist cleric..

How did that make you feel toward atheism:

# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

> so they invent positions we don't have

But you have ONE they don't have:

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Head-Up_Ass.png

Man did you use KY jelly to do that?

> only apply inside it.

With all that arse pressure on your bonce did
you think about your beliefs being a bit less
useful than the theists beliefs, after all they
built civilisationsa and you atheists only managed
'evil abominations' according to Snot Balneave;

> their god is as "real" outside it as it is inside it.

Wheras your atheist beliefs are false? So Scot was right:

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.

>>> Okay. You win.

I usually do, because I use rational argument and evidence.

It's part of the Scientific method, you should learn it
and try and teach some of the really dumb atheist 'tards.

>>> I'm not an atheist by that definition.

But that definition was used to admit atheists to the atheist list,

So the Atheist list is a discredited fraud!

And if they modify their definition of 'atheist' they LOSE THEIR
ONLY CONVERT IN YEARS! 8^o

Man, atheism REALLY IS FUCKED! B^D

>>> I still don't believe that any god exists.
>>> I don't deny the possibility, I just don't believe it.

But you also don't believe what atheists believe, so does
that make you an agnostic!?


>>> I can hear your mental gears creaking and clanking toward the claim
>>> that I must be an agnostic then. I accept that I am an agnostic.


WELCOME ...SISTER!

ATHEIST NUMBERS STAY STATIC +1 -1

AGNOSTICISM GROWS!

It's a triumph for REASON!



>> You aren't required to by the sytandard dictionary found definition.

That doesn't parse, could you give it to us in standard English


>> Maybe if you use one of those special dictionary's

Are you talking about one with pictures?

Can you get one, because at the moment you are speaking Gibberish
and Babelfish or Google don't parse Gibber.

Is English your second language or are you just another
dumb atheist troll?

>> theists, especially xians, seem to fiind so easy?
>
> Outside the theist's religion there's nothing to deny

So you don't deny you are a paedophile.

Or are you secretly INSIDE the theist's religion?

Which is it, DrillChuck, are you a theits or a paedophile?

Or like LivesAlone, just another atheist moron who cant
construct a proper sentence.

So do you have any proof for Dreamer and Hypatia's definition
of atheism or do you also repudiate the atheist list?

> because it's merely somebody else's belief -

... atheism, as shown above

> not a thing that could or could not exist.

..like the list.

So you accept the list and reject atheism

That's TWO DOWN for atheism! Dakota and Drillchuck quit!

I reeally am the Shiva, the Destroyer of the Atheist World!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHHAAAA


Could you also defect and become an agnostic like Dakota has done?


>> Depends on your definition of agnostic.

Well the standard one, of course, don't you even know what it is?

>> To me, they are all believers.

Oh dear, that is THEISM, not agnosticism.

Agnosticism is NOT about BELIEFS, but Knowledge!

You are such a confused numbskull!


>> the term does not address belief, but knowledge.

that's right, so you seeing them as all believers is idiotic
and irrelevant.

I think your drugs have kicked in, you are becoming (even more)
incoherent:

>> N ow ikt it is not a constipating matter,
>> why would you even wonder. Skull sweat eats
>> into beer time.

I'll leave you two brain dead fucktards to bore each
other as you dribble into your beers;

> Most atheists don't have anything to be agnostic about.

ie they lack the requisite IQ B^]

> It's another example of theists inventing positions people oputside
> their religion don't have, because to have them they'd need to be
> inside it.

There are no theists in this sub thread, just a dwindling
number of atheists, drinking their sorrows away and weeping
into their Beer, and two agnostics, one a former atheist
who wised up under my expert tutelage!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

B^D


>>> some agnostics believe in a god or gods

And some atheists believe 'there is no God"

>>> so 'agnostic' can't be the
>>> term that describes people who don't believe that a god exists.
and atheist can't be those who simply don't believe, either.

Try non-believer.. it lacks the taint of atheist belief.

>> Consider who or what you are trying to communicate with.

Dakota seems much more intelligent than you or DrillChuck

>> Or better yet,
>> let your fingers do teh walking & google groups the searching.

I came up with Olrik, like you he spends a lot of time randomly
assigning labels to people:

Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.



# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
# Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is an atheist.

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
# Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
# Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Oh look!
#
# It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
# Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
# Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is still an atheist, and the poor thing still refuses to
admit it.


# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# On 31 Mrz., 22:54, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
# Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?

Because, unlike you I'm not a congenital liar, B^]

and besides, people are paying me to goad you into yet another
of your endless cycles of stupidity! B^D

And because you are my little bitch, I'm MAKING A FORTUNE: B^D


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Re: Olrik demonstrates that fasgnadh is an atheist...
# Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:56:07 -0500
# Message-ID: <kd5btj$cjd$1...@dont-email.me>
#
# By asking fasgnadh:
#
# �fasgnadh�, do you believe in God?
#
# Let's see how it goes.
#
# <snip relentless assault on bandwidth>

One atheist tried to warn Olrik the Unworthy
that he was making a fool of himself, but he's too
foolish to listen:

# From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
# Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism! B^D
# Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400
# Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh...@4ax.com>
#
# > Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
#
# Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
# to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
# peoples buttons.

Olriks button requires hardly any effort:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9tsuLU0jfPU/S_vwUo7hMeI/AAAAAAAAAEY/RonfSYNOVbw/s1600/easy-button.jpg

>> He has
>> demonstrated a common thread, & it's not communication skills.
>
> It's the refusal to think outside his religion.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

Olrik gets his OWN MEDICINE! Made up from atheist lies and BULLSHIT!

Olrik does what Neil De Grasse Tyson claims atheists commonly do,
tell people their beleifs or non beliefs, DESPITE what they say
themselves:

Atheists falsely claiming Neil degrassi Tyson is one of them
even after he explicitly told them he isn't an atheist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos

Why do atheist LIARS keep doing that!?

> The funny thing is that they recognise the problem when they see it in
> other religions, but never their own.
>
> For example

# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg

#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.

Why do atheists bag religion, which has ALSO created great and
enduring civilisations, when atheism has never created even one decent
democracy, just these dreadful atheist TYRANNIES.

IS Snot Balneave right?

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.

He is clearly correct about EVERY atheist state, alt.atheism.org,
atheist nexus, alt.atheism, talk.atheism.. etc etc but is he right about
EVERY atheist group:?

Can anyone name ONE atheist society which isn't as Snot, an Insider,
describes?

If not, WHY are atheists in denial?

> They "knew" this and on the rare occasions they bothered to listen,
> filtered explanation through their fundamentalist perspective to
> confirm it.
>
> It is impossible to break through this kind of barrier
>
>> <SEAG>Arrogance at its finest.</SEAG>

>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist"
>>

>> snip, there is enough fertilizer in that message from
Dreamer and Hypatia
>> to fertilise the Mohave desert.
>>
>> walksalone who has never seen an atheist make a claim like that

The explanation for your selective blindness is apparerent

http://www.tomandang.com/blog/images/headUpArse.jpg

What do you atheists think about like that all day?

Do you imagine daylight might exist somewhere?

> a retard who insists to us all dday and every day that
> there is, and treats us as sun=normal for not even giving it a
> thought.

Then we will leave you in darkness to contemplate your colon, as usual.





--

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[fasgnadh]

On 31/03/2013 3:20 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> I really think

There is no evidence of it in your posts, it's an unproven belief.

> that some of them are so brain-damaged that they see the
> 2 statements as exactly the same.

of course they are brain damaged, they are atheists who believe
no deities exist but have no proof.

> They probably think we're nuts for
> saying they are not the same thing.

They are not the same thing, but that doesn't mean they are wrong about
you being nuts. Your insanity is not contingent on the congruence
of the atheist beliefs! B^]

>>>
>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist, even
>>> if they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>

> Can we heal that kind of brain damage in adulthood?

They are atheists, viz: hopeless cases.

>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.

It is clear no atheists have any!

cadit quaetio.

>> Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say, "There is proof of no gods"

But the atheists repeatedly make the claim, without proof,
that there is no God or Gods, that is the point!

They put their UNPROVEN **BELIEFS** out on the
sides of Buses, on t-Shirts, on their public campaigns:

"There is no God" is an ATHEIST BELIEF:

http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

LA Public Declaration - No Gods:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg



Sometimes they pretend a nod to science; "Probably" no Gods; B^p


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg



Dawkins wanted "There is no God" But was talked into copying a BEER
AD because it might sell better, and they added "Probably"

But they still can't show any mathematical basis for the PROBABILITY
of their belief! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA

And of course the HISTORICAL REALITY of atheism is violent anti-theism;

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

>> but rather, "There is no proof of gods."

>> Do you catch the difference,

I defined the difference. did you UNDERSTAND IT?

Can you explain where the proof is for that categorical
statement of atheist belief?

Or is it too subtle and not in keeping with your
slimy ad hom and weak, irrational insinueations:

>> or is it too subtle and not in keeping
>> with your hate-mongering style?

Do you have ANY proof of the atheist belief that

"It is false that any deities exist"

>> I thought not.

Then thou shouldst try to think in future!

>> That's why I say...
>

> When you BELIEVE FALSELY and without proof that you are
> talking to a Creationist, when actually you are just
> talking through your arse, as usual, you just look stupid;

Thanks for demonstrating the sly, dishonest lack of intellectual
integrity which you fellow atheist claims is universal among atheists;






--

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”

[fasgnadh]

On 31/03/2013 3:47 AM, Thrinaxodon wrote:
> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>

> Atheists don't try to disprove the existence of any god!

So you are arguing that the atheists claiming above
that 'no deities exist', without proof, are

1. Not atheists

2. Atheists making a claim with no proof - i.e. believers

3. Atheists who know there is no proof for their claim that
there is no God, and so don't even try?

> Atheism is just a position,

It certainly adopts one;

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Head-Up_Ass.png

but the reality of atheism is in it's ACTIONS, not it's
self serving abstact definitions;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.atheistmessiah.com/

> not a philosophy, ideology, or world view.

You can't ignore reality by just waving your hands and
spouting blathershite:

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"North Korea's government exercises virtual total
control over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
- Hertzke, Allen. 2006.
Freeing God's Children. Rowman & Littlefield

---------

"Although the North Korean constitution states that freedom of religion
is permitted, free religious activities no longer exist in North Korea
as the government sponsors religious groups only to create an illusion
of religious freedom"
- Essential Background: Overview of human rights issues in
Human Rights in North Korea
(DPRK: The Democratic People's Republic of Korea)
(Human Rights Watch, 8-7-2004)

---------

"All publications are subject to supervision and censorship by the state.
There is no freedom of religion.
Independent worship is not allowed"

http://www.hrw.org/legacy/english/docs/2004/07/08/nkorea9040.htm

---------

"North Korea is officially an atheist state"
- World and Its Peoples: Eastern and Southern Asia

---------

"Atheism continues to be the official position of the
governments of China, North Korea and Cuba."
- The State of Religion Atlas. Simon & Schuster.



"autonomous religious activities now almost nonexistent;
government-sponsored religious groups exist to provide illusion of
religious freedom"

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html

---------

THAT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF AN ATHEIST TOTALITARIAN STATE!

Reality tops atheist bullshit! B^]

> You could be an atheist

Nah, impossible..

I would have to have a frontal lobotomy to get an IQ low enough!
B^D

And I would never want to be part of what your alt.atheism webmaster
says EVERY atheist dociety is: "an evil abomination" 8^o

How do you ever put up with all that abominating!? B^[

>>
>> ---------
>>
>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>
>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>
>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.
>>
>> That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
>> declines:

--

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


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-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 01:38:42 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:

Clearly they are merely drawing logical conclusions, just as they
conclude that there is not massive upside down pyramid on top of the
Washington Monument.
>

...

[fasgnadh]

hypatiab7 being a dishonest atheist shitpig won't debate me honestly,
she debates my post SHREDDED through the filter :
> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:32:59 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:

>> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:55:04 AM UTC-7, fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>
>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>
>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>
>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>
>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>
>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>
>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>>
>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>

> Believers have to provide evidence of their belief.
Perhaps but irrelevant, there are no believers making claims here! B^]

There are just you two atheist hypocrites and YOUR belief, NO PROOF

If believers have to prove THEIR beliefs, SO DO YOU!!! B^D

> Those who disbelieve do not.

Can't you READ, you dumb atheist tool? "It is false that any deities
exist" is NOT a non belief, it as a statement that deities do not exist.

You accepted that CATEGORICAL statement WITHOUT PROOF - A BELIEF, as
atheist!

WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING PROOF YOU LYING, HYPOCRITICAL ATHEIST FRAUD!!!!

Join the other irrational fucktards who are CLUELESS about formal logic:

>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"

So atheism is NOT a mere non-belief in something, it is an ASSERTION
that deities do not exist, lacking any PROOF.. thus, an unproven BELIEF!

PROVE IT!

>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism

which you have just shown includes atheist believers to pad out it's
imaginary list of members, >90% of whom are as NON-EXISTENT as you
claim, without proof, deities are!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA

>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHA

If you subrtacted 200 from that list you would still have hundreds more
than ACTUALLY EXIST IN alt.atheism!

Yout stats are as BULLSHIT as your inane illogic! B^D

>>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
>>> merely the lack of belief in a God,
>>>
>>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF

> Anyone who says that a god or gods do not exist
> is showing

their BELIEF, as they have NO PROOF

If there is PROOF.. WHERE THE FUCK IS IT?

..............................................

Of not, IT's A MERE UNFOUNDED OPINION - a BELIEF! B^]

Game Set Match!

it is irrelevant that you make a FALSE claim that
> their lack of belief that they do.
is congruent with a categorical statement
that they Do NOT EXIST, and have NO PROOF!

Look lets SIMPLIFY this for you DULLARDS:

dReamer did Not say he has a lack of belief that God/s exist
he said IT IS **FALSE** that any deities exist.

But neither of you can PROVE IT.

It's a BELIEF, you dumb TROLLS! YOU FUCKED UP! B^D

Lacking a belief that deities exist is NOT the same as
claiming that deities DO NOT EXIST.

One is a statement ABOUT belief, the otehr is a claim to KNOWLEDGE
without PROOF, ie a mere OPINION or belief.

Is English your second language or are you simply STUPID?

>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist, even if
>>> they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>
>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>

>>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>
>>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>
>>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.
>

> There is no such thing as an 'atheist society'.

Take it up with Snot Balneave, it's his claim! B^D

You mean atheists are anti-social as well as anti theists? B^]

I can well understand that atheists can't stand each other socially! B^]

But you are a LIAR, again, here's an atheist society:

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~atheist/

Do ALL ATHEIST's LIE THROUGH THEIR ARSE LIKE YOU DO????

Thanks for proving Snot correct about the alt.atheism society,
you really are an evil abomination as he says!!!!

This feeble shitdribble is just pathetic nonsense:

> There may be societies

Sure ...ATHEIST ONES; you LYING ATHEIST TROLL! B^D

Oh look here's another one;

https://twitter.com/unswatheists B^D

and another

"Welcome to Oxford Atheists, Secularists and Humanists, a student society"

Why are you such a DESPERATE LYING ATHEIST BITCH, Hysteria?

> such as communistic ones where atheism is a part of
> that society but not what rules it. You have yet to provide any
> evidence that this isn't so.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

I'M NOT THE ONE WHO CLAIMED "EVERY ATHEIST SOCIETY HAS BEEN AN
EVIL ABOMINATION" that was YOUR CRONY, Snot Balneave:

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

SO, FUCK OFF AND DEMAND PROOF FROM HIM, YOU ASININE HYPOCRITE! B^D

....*AFTER* YOU PROVIDE IT FOR YOUR OWN ATHEIST FROGSHIT BELIEFS! B^]

>>> That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
>>> declines:
>>
>>> "At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
>>> population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
>>> Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
>>> advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
>>> two thirds.
>

> Tell that

No need, everyone knows that increase from 50% to 66% of the worlds
population is 1.1 BILLION new theists, 300,000,000 documented new
beleivers in China alone, the bulk of the rest in Africa, Asia and South
America. It's in the politically and economically stagnating
Europe and the USA where atheism is making small advances. B^p
All the atheist states atrophied as well.. looks like a negative
correlation between rising atheism and falling living standards,
while in China an explosion of > 300,000,000 new believers
coincides with a recovery from the dismal economics of Mao's atheist
Cultural Devolution, as peeople have greater freedom of thought and
belief, Chinese society has been transformed, the famines of the atheist
era no longer occur.. and a more religious China PROSPERS.
It is becoming the new Superpower and religious growth area, while
the old Superpower, the USA, loses ground as the atheist disease
spreads. People are starting to see the link.


Atheism in the USA grew, by about 719,000 over the same period
that China had 300,000,000 new believers!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA

THAT, you poor statistically ILLITERATE DUMBFUCK, is a RELATIVE
DECLINE in atheism.

No wonder you try DESPERATELY to claim the none's and the agnostics..
but that changes NOTHING in those figures for religious growth
that are an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE greater than the slow rise in atheism
globally! B^]

> to the ever-increasing number of nones, atheists and agnostics worldwide.

the best figures you have, from ARIS, shows you lose:
atheists in the USA grew from a pitiful 902,000(0.4%) to
a pathetic 1,621,000 (0.7%) of the US population between
2001 and 2008.

We agnostics grew faster. B^]

BTW, atheists claiming nones and agnostics is just more ATHEIST
DISHONESTY.

ARIS is an anonymous survey, people choose their affiliation,
and only 4% of the Non Religious chose atheism,

the vast majority of non-religious, including agnostics, Jedi,
secular humanists, New Age, Wiccans, and those who simply don't know,
don't care, 96% of the non-religious EXPLICITLY REJECT ATHEISM.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

This famous scientist explains why, atheists are DESPISED for
trying to shove their shit down everyone's throat:

Atheists falsely claiming Neil degrassi Tyson is one of them
even after he explicitly told them he isn't an atheist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos

YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR AGNOSTICS, YOU ARROGANT ARSEHOLES!

NOR FOR THE 96% of NON-Religious who EXPLICITLY REJECT being
atheists!

SUCK IT UP AND TRY TO WORK OUT *WHY* YOU ARE DETESTED! B^]

Snot Balneave, your atheist crony, thinks he knows:

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Priceless!

>>> So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
>>> conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
>>> the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
>>> it's not happening at all.
>

> Death of what god?

Ask Neitzche.. B^D look you mad bitch, this is not a claim
that God is Dead, or even that there is a God who could die..
it's simply a report that those who think God is dead, religion
is declineing, are UP THEMSELVES! B^D

So give your BROKEN RECORD A REST, this DUMB SCRIPT of yours
only works on theists making claims about the existence of God,
not anyone merely reporting the figures that clearly upset you: B^]

> You still haven't provided evidence that such a critter exists.

It seems a waste of time telling you AGAIN, what you have been
told so often.. I'm not making ANY claim about God, I'm just telling
you DUMB ATHEIST 'TARDS what's going on outside the DELUSIONAL state you
live in!

Do you really think i give a fuck if you pay attention to what's
actually happening? YOU ATHEISTS ARE IRRELEVANT TO IT! B^]

Because:

>>> People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
>>> and religion itself is also evolving"
>
>>> - Dr Reza Aslan
>

> Does he or she look like a lion?

Do you sound like an infant?


> deleted other blather

just keep running from the facts.... B^]



--

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[R Brown]

> They put their UNPROVEN BELIEFS out on the

I know you've been told this a million times, but your agenda of hate
and bigotry simply won't allow an acknowledgement of it: a-theism =
"without theology".

Atheist don't promote any theology because they don't have one.

You've got one, and it's a nasty little bugger at that! Full of hatred
and paranoia as your posts repeatedly show.

Here again we can clearly see the theist's paradoxical intention. The
more you foam at the mouth with your rantings the more you demonstrate
how wrong you are. In short, you're just another usenet nutter trying
to outdo the other nutters for a bit of attention.

Pathetic or what?

Oh well, it sucks to be you.

> “Down with religion and long live atheism;
> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”

> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fam
> ily_1001874c.jpg

--

[Budikka666]

LIE. Atheism is the denial that there is any legitimate evidence for any
gods or for a creator or for a creation. But don't take my word for it.
*You* are going to prove my point to your readers.

Please present right here your *positive* *scientific* evidence *for* a
creator or for a creation.

When you fail with that, as you creationists inevitably do, then please
present your *independent* *objective* evidence *for* a creator or for a
creation.

When you fail with that, as you creationists inevitably do, then please
present your *intelligent* *rationale* for a creator or for a creation.

When you RUN from my challenge, as you inevitably do, you will, yourself,
without any effort from me, prove that you are a liar, a coward, and a
vacuous hypocrite - as you creationists inevitably do.

Budikka

[fasgnadh]

On 1/04/2013 8:29 AM, Joe Bruno wrote:

> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:01:25 PM UTC-7, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Gutless atheist coward Christopher A. Lee debates the atheist lie:
>

> Debate?I would not apply the label"debate" to anything Loudmouth Lee says, Tovarich.

He doesn't debate his, or atheism's, critics, he debates a fabricated
strawman, usually constructed AFTER his opponents arguments have
been excised, and can be misrepresented more easily.
And that is why I look to see what they are SNIPPING, because they
are ALL ABOUT SUPRESSING, not engaging in, DISCUSSION.

But there wasn't enough room in the attribution line,
so I summarised WHAT he debates, accurately, as 'the atheist lie'.

> I think "tantrum" is more appropriate.

agreed, because he is NOT adressing the SUBSTANCE put by his
opponent, it is just a self-indulgent RANT.

> From my viewpoint,the English Fruitcake lacks the intellect,
> the maturity and the patience to deal with anyone who does
> not slavishly accept everything he says without question.

Yes, his classic 'interraction' goes like this, vile abuse in
response to open, friendly, dialogue;


# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John

# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

He's an angry, unhappy, rabid, atheist ranter and hater.

> I can visualize him in the prone position kicking and pounding his fists on the
> floor screaming to drown out whatever the opposition says.

that's why I mock him.

When a child throws a tantrum..... laugh at them,
more effective than smacking or getting upset! B^]

This part of the thread was to demonstrate how they work in gangs,
one snips or mangles, so the others can more easily
misrepresent and abuse:

>>> walksalone performs theFACT SNIP so atheists can lie more freely;

In this case stalksalone actually went further, pasting Dakota's
response to R Brown, not after Dakota's post, which is in a different
sub-thread, but after Browns post!

Deliberate or idiocy, who knows? who cares.

But it's amusing when he then gets concerned about the attributions! B^D

>>>> Dakota rejects atheism now that she knows it's beliefs:

the Dakota post is actually elsewhere, walksalone posted his response,
not to Dakota's post, but to R Browns, on a different sub-thread.

>> You would know that if one of you replying atheists had not
>> fucked with the attributions, a typical atheist deceit.
>>
>> And YOU are the one that snipped! B^]

And now the poor atheist dumbfuck is confused! B^D

priceless!

>>>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist,
>>>>>>> even if
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>
>>
>>>> What is presented here is not what atheists use,
>>
>> what I presented, is verbatim quotes of the UNPROVEN categorical
>> claim made by one atheist and accepted by Hypatia, your keeper
>> of the List of Imaginary Atheist Members, WITHOUT ANY RATIONAL
>> SUPPORT.
>>

>> It's an A Grade Certified ATHEIST BELIEF

>>
>> Now run along and lie about it amongst yourselves
>> as if I haven't just put back the PROOF of your
>> dishonesty after you snipped the facts so you could
>> LIE about them:
>>
>>
>>>> but a tailor made handy dandy one size fits all special definition
>>
>> Bloviation is the atheists preferred transition from my facts to their
>> lies:
>>
>>>> that works for the atheist known as faswhatever,
>>

>> Nope, as everyone can see your post shows you replying to Dakota, the

>> atheist author.
>>
>> Anyone can trace my posts and see that it's not my words, YOU LYING
>> ATHEIST FUCKTARDS SNIPPED MY WORDS so you could LIE ABOUT THEM!

That is called PROOF for an accusation, something atheists can't provide!

>> B^}
>>
>> Thanks for demonstrating what Snot Balneave says about all you atheists;
>>
>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>
>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>
>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAA
>>
>> Oh and look, because that gutless wimp "Chris "Drillchuck" Lee
>> never reads the facts he just accepted the Dakota/walksalone
>> FABRICATION and SWALLOWED IT WHOLE, like it was just another
>> atheist crock;
>>
>>
>>> Theists use it
>>
>> It was ATHEISTS who said it you stupid atheist CROCKSUCKER!

Priceless!

Drillchuck is CLUELESS as usual!

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHA
>>
>> So tell us WHY did atheists say it:
>>
>>> because they are incapable of understanding the world
>>> beyond their religion
>>
>> Oh we have seen atheists have beleifs, but do you really
>> think that makes it a religion?
>>
>> I mean atheists themselves say so, BUT WHERES THE PROOF;?

The atheists have run away, they have none and concede the argument

>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
>> # The Age 29/1/2009
>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>
>> http://firstchurchofatheism.com/
>>
>> Hey Chris, word is you were one of the first atheist

>> choir-boys to be buttfucked by an atheist cleric..

>>
>> How did that make you feel toward atheism:
>>
>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

my, you are an angry boy!

>>> so they invent positions we don't have
>>
>> But you have ONE they don't have:
>>
>> http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Head-Up_Ass.png

The Orthodox Atheist Position!

>> Man did you use KY jelly to do that?
>>
>>> only apply inside it.
>>
>> With all that arse pressure on your bonce did
>> you think about your beliefs being a bit less
>> useful than the theists beliefs, after all they
>> built civilisationsa and you atheists only managed
>> 'evil abominations' according to Snot Balneave;
>>
>>> their god is as "real" outside it as it is inside it.

I think the theists call it Omnipresence... B^D

>> Whereas your atheist beliefs are false? So Scot was right:

>>
>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>
>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>
>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.
>>
>>>>> Okay. You win.
>>
>> I usually do, because I use rational argument and evidence.

It's nice to have that rarity, an atheist of integrity
who CONCEDES defeat! B^D

>> It's part of the Scientific method, you should learn it
>> and try and teach some of the really dumb atheist 'tards.
>>
>>>>> I'm not an atheist by that definition.

Dakota not only concedes the argument but abandons atheism!

ANOTHER ATHEIST SCHISM!!

The last one, between the Trots and the Stalinists killed
millions and was resolved with an ICE PICK! 8^o

Then there was the Gang of Four under Mao, who conclusively
proved Snot Balneave to be accurate in his condemnation of
atheism:

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

But he STILL has no PROOF that EVERY atheist group is an evil
abomination, some may only be evil bominations!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

>> But that definition was used to admit atheists to the atheist list,
>>
>> So the Atheist list is a discredited fraud!
>>
>> And if they modify their definition of 'atheist' they LOSE THEIR
>> ONLY CONVERT IN YEARS! 8^o
>>
>> Man, atheism REALLY IS FUCKED! B^D

Did we really need this thread to know that?

I mean, when you get atheist SpokesOrcs like Snot Balneave,
( i did say SpokesOrcs, PLURAL ;-) who openly reveal
that atheism is an evil abomination, the Jig is UP for atheists!

Roll up the plastic Dawkins Love Doll.. it's time to go home! B^D

>>>>> I still don't believe that any god exists.
>>>>> I don't deny the possibility, I just don't believe it.
>>
>> But you also don't believe what atheists believe, so does
>> that make you an agnostic!?

She's thinking about it.. atheists are slow, come back next century.

>>>>> I can hear your mental gears creaking and clanking toward the claim
>>>>> that I must be an agnostic then. I accept that I am an agnostic.
>>
>>
>> WELCOME ...SISTER!
>>
>> ATHEIST NUMBERS STAY STATIC +1 -1

Man, the gain a pompous blatherskite newbie, d'Reamer and
lose an experienced atheist heavy hitter, like Dakota!

Bad trade! B^D

>> AGNOSTICISM GROWS!
>>
>> It's a triumph for REASON!

We ARE the direction of the flow of history!

This just confirms what the ARIS figures show,
we agnostics are growing FASTER and have more adherents
than atheism.. not that it's a competition, as they just
aren't IN IT!

Look at how ONE agnostic repeatedly flummoxes SCORES of slow,
dullwitted atheist drones!

>>>> You aren't required to by the sytandard dictionary found definition.

or spelling, apparently! B^]

>> That doesn't parse, could you give it to us in standard English
>>
>>
>>>> Maybe if you use one of those special dictionary's
>>
>> Are you talking about one with pictures?
>>
>> Can you get one, because at the moment you are speaking Gibberish
>> and Babelfish or Google don't parse Gibber.
>>
>> Is English your second language or are you just another
>> dumb atheist troll?
>>
>>>> theists, especially xians, seem to fiind so easy?

Are you now mispelling Mexicans?

>>> Outside the theist's religion there's nothing to deny
>>
>> So you don't deny you are a paedophile.

Drillchuck seems to have lost his tongue, perhaps Olrik's cock
is pressing on it, making speech difficult. B^]

>> Or are you secretly INSIDE the theist's religion?
>>

>> Which is it, DrillChuck, are you a theist or a paedophile?

Drillchuck can't choose and went for BOTH!

>> Or like LivesAlone, just another atheist moron who cant
>> construct a proper sentence.
>>
>> So do you have any proof for Dreamer and Hypatia's definition
>> of atheism or do you also repudiate the atheist list?
>>
>>> because it's merely somebody else's belief -
>>
>> ... atheism, as shown above
>>
>>> not a thing that could or could not exist.
>>
>> ..like the list.
>>
>> So you accept the list and reject atheism
>>
>> That's TWO DOWN for atheism! Dakota and Drillchuck quit!
>>

>> I really am Shiva, the Destroyer of the Atheist World!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHHAAAA


Perhaps Snot will update my photo on his Shrine to me,
showing me dancing atheism to creative destruction:

http://www.chopra.com/files/images/Shiva.jpg

>> Could you also defect and become an agnostic like Dakota has done?

I don't think Drillchuck has Dakota's BALLS!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

>>>> Depends on your definition of agnostic.
>>
>> Well the standard one, of course, don't you even know what it is?
>>
>>>> To me, they are all believers.
>>
>> Oh dear, that is THEISM, not agnosticism.
>>
>> Agnosticism is NOT about BELIEFS, but Knowledge!
>>
>> You are such a confused numbskull!
>

no wonder he gets angry and throws tantrums,
it's the frustration at his inadequacies.

poor sad little poppit!

>>>> the term does not address belief, but knowledge.
>>
>> that's right, so you seeing them as all believers is idiotic
>> and irrelevant.
>>
>> I think your drugs have kicked in, you are becoming (even more)
>> incoherent:
>>
>>>> N ow ikt it is not a constipating matter,

Are you sure, you seem to be so full of shit you can't
even talk properly! B^D

>>>> why would you even wonder.

I'm a caring human being, perhaps we could get a Physic
to lance your puss-sack!

If only for the pleasure of watching you explode ,
like happened to Snot Balneave;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXH_12QWWg8

>>>> Skull sweat eats
>>>> into beer time.
>>
>> I'll leave you two brain dead fucktards to bore each

>> other as you dribble into your beers,
..splattered with Scot sputum! B^D

[Budikka666]

Budikka writes:
> On Mar 30, 9:55 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> [...]

>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true, you need to prove
>> that no deities exist.

[fasgnadh]

This is what you see when you open Bukakke's post:

On 2/04/2013 8:43 AM, Budikka666 wrote:
> Budikka writes:
>> On Mar 30, 9:55 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true, you need to prove
>>> that no deities exist.
>
>> To demonstrate the theist belief statement is true, you need to prove
>> that deities exist.
>
> LIE.

That is a complete FABRICATION by Casey and Bukakke! B^D

Incredibly, according to BUKAKKE'S falsified attributions he is
calling HIMSELF a LIAR!

Inadvertently he has, for once in his life TOLD THE TRUTH!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

The words Bukakke falsely attributes to himself are actually Casey's!!!
Bukakke has surreptitiously removed Casey from the attributions.

Bukakke typed over Casey's name, replacing it with his own,
when he responded to Casey's post!

But you have to agree with the end result.. Bukakke *IS* a LIAR!

> don't take my word for it.

Normally no one does, but in this case you inadvertantly
got it right! it was a lie for you to claim Casey's weak
attempt to change the subject as your own, by falsifying
the atributions!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAA

Otherwise it's the typical atheist Snip'n'Run Tag-Team, Casey had
snipped all the evidence showing atheist belief statements requiring
proof, and Bukakke, being a lying atheist shitpig, and gutless coward,
can't argue the substance, so he needs his crony to SNIP ALL THE
EVIDENCE before he crudely SHIFTS GROUND to his Id�e fixe!! 8^o

Here's what the original subject was before Casey and Bukakke,
working together in the usual atheist tag-team of tiresome twats
RAN AWAY FROM THE DEBATE.. AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Casey snipped the entire subject and posted an IRRELEVANT strawman

<unsnip>

>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
>>>

>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>> #
>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>> # >
>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>> # >
>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>
>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>
>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>
>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>> # >
>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>
>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof,it is just a belief

You can see why Bukakke and Casey REMOVED the evidence of ATHEISTS
making a belief claim (one without PROOF) about deities!

>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"

# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009

http://firstchurchofatheism.com/ B^D

Bukakke is their altar boy;

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

High Priest of Atheism:

# Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
#

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>>>

>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>>>
>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!

Casey and Bukakke REMOVED the evidence of acceptance on the
OFFICIAL USENET ATHEIST LIST being based on ATHEIST BELIEFS,
making a claim, without PROOF, about no deities existing!

As an agnostic I KNOW that it is logically impossible to prove
the NON-existance of something.

The knuckle-dragging atheists clearly don't understand formal logic.

SO WHY DO LYING IRRATIONAL ATHEIST BELIEVERS HOLD SUCH INANE BELIEFS?

And why do they SNIP and run as Casey and Bukakke just demonstrtated,
when asked for EVIDENCE????

The answer is below: both, as in common with many atheists, are
trolls with an Id�e fixe:

> *You* are going to prove my point to your readers.

No, I have just proved MY point about atheist beliefs, all you have
done is participate in the USUAL atheist SNIP AND RUN FROM THE SUBJECT!


Just like you have done in the past, numerous times:

# Subject: Atheist admits their murder of a 13 year old,
# claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
# was Re: Atheist infanticide -
# "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
# alt.politics.republicans
# Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source


I challenged you for EVIDENCE, and you have been running EVER SINCE,
(gutlessly slandering me on the quiet in lies like this one I have
caught you telling)

Bukakke, still running since 2009! B^D

Runaway chicken!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE



# Subject: Why does this Lunatic Bukakke think everyone who contests
# her idiocy is a 'Creationist'? viz "The Endless Fatal COWARDICE of
# Creationists" - Bukakke, still running since 2009! B^D
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
# alt.atheism.satire,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion,alt.philosophy,
# aus.politics,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <MMLhr.5693$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:00:20 +1000
#
#
# Budikka666 changed the subject, as usual, and RAN:
#
# > Fasghnad RAN:
# > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread#
/58c9df7a83bdd7e3?scoring=d&

# That's the START of a thread about ATHEISM created by ME,
# you raving lunatic! [reproduced below]
#
# It had NOTHING to do with "Creationism", something you appear to be
# OBSESSED with to the exclusion of all other aspects of REALITY! B^p
#
# How can anyone 'run away' by STARTING a thread!???
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
#
# YOU RAN from the topic, stamped your hoof hysterically, and
# demanded I debate SOME OTHER topic with you! B^D
#
# Priceless!


And you have ALREADY proved my point about atheists SNIPPING AND RUNNING
from the EVIDENCE about atheism AGAIN, IN *THIS* THREAD!!!

Why, given that you are such a pathetic, irrational, ranting
lightweight, do you continue to humiliate yourself in public? B^D

A: Single Issue atheist troll obsessed with your Id�e fixe! B^]

If you make it so EASY for me to continually kick your arse up and
down USENET I will have to stop talking to you altogether, lest
people accuse me of being CRUEL for beating up on a 'tard!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

> Please present right here your *positive* *scientific* evidence

I did, according to YOUR reply YOU snipped it and TRIED TO CHANGE THE
Subject!!!! But a cursory investigation shows your usual DISHONESTY
and POST FORGING, you altered the attributions and it was CASEY
who snipped and replaced the SUBJECT with your atheist STRAWMAN..
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC YOU ATHEISTS CAN'T DEBATE: ATHEISM!

YOU ARE BOTH SINGLE ISSUE TROLLS!!!!!

Get over yourselves you fucking lunatic TROLLS! you can't come into
EVERY thread, excise the subject you CAN'T EVER DEAL WITH- the EVIDENCE
for the REALITY of atheism - and try and run your single issue,
anti-theist, RANTS instead of the TOPIC!!!!!

B^D

Now I could just tell you to FUCK OFF and get a clue,

YOU have shown ONCE AGAIN, that you SNIP and RUN from MY DEBATES!

But it is always instructive to examine your Idea fixe and to
demonstrate just what a SINGLE ISSUE TROLL BUKAKKE IS!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAA

So let's look at you rant as a zoologist examines anumal dung,
to see what it tells us about the animal:

You are merely providing EVIDENCE for Snot Balneaves claim:

" every ... �atheist society� has been an

evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE;

Certinly true for every atheist STATE, atheists in USENET, atheistnexus,
alt.atheism.Borg, BAAWA, The atheist LEague of the Militant Godless, etc
etc ..but EVERY atheist group on the planet?

Where's the PROOF?

We have seen Bukakke can't deal with subject - unproven atheist beleifs,
so what is he stamping his widdle hoof, pouting his rouged
lips, and flouncing his pretty little pink floral frock over?

His atheist troll single issue RANT, his Id�e fixe:

> a creator or for a creation.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Are you still running that tired old Schtick!

Man, are you ever FIXED in your Id�e fixe, single issue TROLLING!!!

I have TOLD you, EVERYONE KNOWS, that I am an agnostic, not a Christian,
certainly not a fundie Creationist!

I have told you that I ENCOURAGE you following, without his originality,
perpicacity, insight, intelligence or convincing readibility, in the
footsteps of Shelby Spong, who examined the problems with fundie
literalism way before and much better than you atheist imitators.
That is after all how religious understanding has EVOLVED, and I
have said you perform a minor public service in dealing with with
the remnant of more primitive forms of theism, because
a) someone needs to continue pointing out the inadequacies of
old style fundie literalism and
b) who better than a fundie atheist with a matching IQ, and an Id�e fixe
that will keep them slogging away with like minded morons for ever!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

Let me show you why you are the fundie's DOPPLEGANGER, their TWIN:

It won't take long, your simple minded idiocy, logical fallacies
and intellectual dishonesty are glaringly obvious:

> When you fail with that,

That is the logical fallacy of Begging the question.

It shows you BELEIVE rather than think.

What makes you beleive you can predict the future?

You never have in the past! And you have already failed again!

Q.E.D.

Your next failure is more sinister and damning, bare faced LYING;

> as you creationists

I'm not a creationist, (If you mean it in the obvious sense;
referring to those who believe in "Creation Science" and a
literal acceptance of the Creation story in the Bible)

I am a creator/ creationist in that I have created, (children,
for example, a home, co-created a community, stories, songs,
sculptures, poetry, this post eviscerating your fundie atheist
Id�e fixe trolling..

and a creationist in the sense that I believe creative work is
the highest form of human activity, be it a physical object,
intense pleasure in a loved one, a business enterprise, a sublime
poem, a tree-house for my children, a community, a free open
progressive secular democracy such as MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies
have created, but atheist states NEVER achieved.

If you wish to discuss ANY of these forms of creation and creativity
I am happy to oblige, but I doubt you have the wit, intelleigence or
sufficient will to achieve escape velocity from the gravity of your
Jupiter sized Id�e fixe..

So go play with the infants in the shallow end..

reality is way to deep for you, child.

> present your *independent* *objective* evidence *for* a creator

Too easy, I could link to pics of my children, but who would expose
them to stalking by a lunatic bitch like you?


So, Here is all I need to show you how your INSANE DELUSIONS distort
your thinking, how the MASSIVE GRAVITY of your Id�e fixe warps
everything you say and do, every interraction you have, just as Jupiter
rips, twists and tears the surface of it's moons:


This post was created by me, I am it's creator.

Q.E.D.

Time for Bukakke to gutless lying atheist troll to FUCK OFF, again! B^]

> or for a creation.

your stupid post was YOUR creation.

Don't you feel STUPID to be humiliated by your OWN creation?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

> When you fail with that,

Didn't I teach you that Begging the question is rhethorical RUBBISH!

Now you just MORE stupid for being WRONG AGAIN!

EVERY FUCKING SENTENCE YOU WROTE HAS BEEn EVISCERATED,
DEMONSTRATING WHAT A TOTAL ***FUCKTARD*** YOu ARE!

followed by a your oft repeated, pathologically obsessive LIES;

> as you creationists

Can't you atheists even CO-ORDINATE your CONTRADICTORY lies about me!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

Go stand with the other STUPID SLANDERING atheist liars
who ritually humiliate themselves on the altar of atheist BS;

Any monent now Bukakke will beg for mercy, weep and then ABANDON
THE FIELD.. again!

> please


So, my other little atheist bitch, what are you begging for now?

> present your *intelligent* *rationale* for a creator or for a
> creation.

If you hav read this far, you have seen the powerful argument I
have created.

I am the creator of that argument, it is my creation.

You may confirm the EVIDENCE by responding to this post. B^]

Q.E.D.

You are merely roadkill on the journey!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA

Would you like a blade to committ ritual seppukk after your
ritual self-humiliation?

When you RUN from my challenge, as you inevitably do, you will,
yourself, without any effort from me, prove that you are a liar, a
coward, and a

vacuous hypocrite - as you atheists invariably do.

[fasgnadh]

R Brown quits; has no argument - just ad hom, lies and abuse:

R. Brown can't refute the facts, all he can do is mindlessly
chant the atheists PROPAGANDA lie about themselves....

The EVIDENCE shows that you go on the OFFICIAL list of USENET atheists,
if you BELIEVE what the want you to believe!

Q.E.D.

So if that ISN'T atheism, they are cooking the books,
if it IS atheism, they are all Liars.

And that will be the end of the argument AGAIN!

Whenever atheists exhaust ALL the possible SPIN, self-serving
propaganda and lies they can think of.. the slink off and sulk.

Oh dear, R Brown is forced to concede. There is no proof.

>>> I thought not.
>>
>>
>> Then thou shouldst try to think in future!
>>
>>
>>> That's why I say...
>>
>> When you BELIEVE FALSELY and without proof that you are
>> talking to a Creationist, when actually you are just
>> talking through your arse, as usual, you just look stupid;

Brown started talking shit and never managed anything better:

>>> "When you're talking with a creationist,

I'm an agnostic, you ignorant hate filled athesit liar

Why are such a slandering shitpig?

>>> it's not the heat, it's the stupidity." - R.Brown

Oh, ok! And I guess nothing can be done about it,
Your posts suggest it's incurable!

R. Brown never did have anything worthwhile to say, just abuse
and lies

>> Thanks for demonstrating the sly, dishonest lack of intellectual
>> integrity which you fellow atheist claims is universal among atheists;
>
> I know you've been told this a million times,

I haven't read a million posts, why start with a ANOTHER lie?

Clearly you are following the adage "Begin as you mean to continue"

> but your agenda of hate and bigotry

You have mispeleld 'facts' and 'evidence'

How come your reply has no facts OR evidence? B^]

There is no evidence of hate and bigorty from me, there is
EVIDENCE of my argument which you can't refute, and you having
NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT AT ALL!
..so you resort to SLANDER and lies.. more evidence that Snot
Balneave is right;

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

> simply won't allow an acknowledgement of it: a-theism =
> "without theology".

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

d'Reamer and Hypatia defined atheism as a belief that
no deities exist and now you define atheism in relation to theology,
the discussion of deities.. when atheists are always discussing them!

theology - "reasoning or discussion concerning the Deity"

Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their id�e fixe is
"the non existance of deities" it's just they can only see ONE SIDE!

Budikka, for example talks of nothing else but Creationism!

But you are arguing that ONLY *SOME* words from atheists count,
and not their ACTIONS even more than their hypocritical self-serving
PROPAGANDA AND LIES:

In the same way that Nazism is "nothing more than 'national socialist
workers party'", *IF* you only listen to how the Nazis DEFINE THEMSELVES
and refuse to look at the EVIDENCE OF WHAT THEY DO!!!

just as you have tried to do with atheism!

Look, fool, this was Hypatia7, the KEEPER of the OFFICIAL LIST OF USENET
ATHEISTS, (a list which is CLEARLY A PROPAGANDA LIE, there are not
2000 atheists posting here.. there are not even 200!!) accepting
an unproven BELIEF, a categorical claim, WITHOUT PROOF, that "there are
no deities" to be *atheism* for the purpose of the list!

So don't demand we ONLY look at your words, never your deeds,
and they DENY WHAT ATHEISTS SAID if it contradicts YOUR OPINION!

Take it up with Atheism Central, the Commisariat, the Party Secretary,
or SUE THEM! B^D

And now YOU FOOLS say that belief that got d'Reamer listed officialy as
an atheist *ISN'T atheism* !?!!!, atheism is 'only non-belief
in something..' THAT IS RANK APOLOGIA pretending that the ACTIONS of
atheists INFLATING their membership dishonestly is to be ignored,
because it doesn't fit the theoretical SELF-DEFINITION that atheists
self-servingly use, IGNORING ALL ACTIONS in the REAL WORLD!

Surely you JEST! B^p

There is no difference between atheist apologists saying 'ignore the
tyranny of EVERY atheist state in history and only listen to what WE SAY
ABOUT OURSELVES', and the NAzi holocaust deniers saying 'IGNORE
AUSCHWITZ, JUST BELIEVE WHAT HITLER SAYS ABOUT NAZISM!'

FUCK OFF, YOU LYING ATHEIST TOOLS!

I started a clinical exposure of the horrors of atheist states
in modern history in response to observing that atheists repeatedly
used the evil doctrine of Collective Responsibility to hold ALL
Christians, even ALL theists, responsible for the actions of an
atypical few, even when they were actions IN DIRECT CONTRAVENTION
of the teachings of those religions!

I have successfully made the far wore damning case that EVERY
atheist state has been a totalitarian tyranny, resulting in
massive terror, torture and 80,000,000 dead.. and there is NOTHING
in atheism which forbids ANY OF IT!

Atheists now accept that, in fact Snot Balneave goes TOO FAR
in my view, claiming EVERY atheist GROUP is an evil abomination;

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

There is PROOF of my claim that atheist STATES invariably were,
and daily USENET atheists, atheistnexus, alt.atheism.borg, BAAWA
etc etc et al provide evidence that most atheist groups are
as Snot describes.. but EVERY athesist community, group and organisation?

Surely there is proof of at least ONE that isn't an 'evil abomination'

> Atheist don't promote any theology because they don't have one.

BULLSHIT, they are ALL OVER THE SHOP promoting their CONFUSED,
self-contradictory BULLSHIT and then they have the temerity to
attack those of use who point out ther SELF-CONTRADICTIONS;

Atheist ideology There is no God
http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

LA Park no gods
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg

Bus ad prosletysing atheist ideology:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg


# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#

# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009

http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

# "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that

# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#

# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
# religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods

# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
#

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

> You've got one,

A theology?

Yeah, I follow the sage advice of my brother, St Rod
I made that perfectly clear years ago:


# Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:36:22 +1100
shows how long ^^^^ atheists have been LYING about me!

# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
#################################################################
# For all the slow-witted Atheists who STILL insist on
# PROJECTING their obsessions with ARID theological disputes
# (because propositions incapable of falsification mean they
# can NEVER BE WRONG! ;-) please pay attention to what
# you have already been told, instead of making shit up!
#
# " I'll stick with the philosophy of my brother, St Rod,
# who says he doesn't want to hear about people's theology,
# he only cares about the way they ACT toward each other."
#
# Message-ID: <49077a4a$0$28216$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>
#
##################################################################

So you are just the last in along line of SLANDERING ATHEIST LIARS
who can't debate the FACTS, can't refute my logic, can't rebut the
EVIDENCE, and can't mount a rational argument, so you LIE:

> and it's a nasty little bugger at that! Full of hatred
> and paranoia as your posts repeatedly show.

There is no evidence of any of that from you.

More empty blather, with no SUBSTANCE and no EVIDENCE;

> Here again we can clearly see the theist's paradoxical intention.

I'm an agnostic and you use my posts as examples of what theists think!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

" and it's a nasty little bugger at that! Full of hatred
and paranoia as your posts repeatedly show"

"The more you foam at the mouth with your rantings the more you
demonstrate how wrong you are.
In short, you're just another usenet nutter trying
to outdo the other nutters for a bit of attention."

> Pathetic or what?

I'd vote for you being pathetic, it's more specific.

> it sucks to be

Speak for yourself, you sad little atheist troll.

--


"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/


http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source



"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�

[Yap]

On Mar 30, 10:52 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 31-March-2013 1:10 AM, Syd M. wrote:
>
> > On Mar 30, 6:55 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
> >> "non-belief in deities":
>
> > It is what is, and you don't get to define us, Failednuts.
>
> you don't get to tell ppl what they can think or not

Not only these believers think of nonsense, but actually help to suck
enormous amount of resources down the drain instead of using them to
eradicate poverty, hunger, etc for this world.

But of course you are a brainwashed bigot not favoring that sort of
thinking...
>
>
>
> > PDW
>
> --
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> -------http://theangryatheist.ausnet.info

[%]

Yap wrote:
> On Mar 30, 10:52 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> On 31-March-2013 1:10 AM, Syd M. wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 30, 6:55 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>
>>> It is what is, and you don't get to define us, Failednuts.
>>
>> you don't get to tell ppl what they can think or not
>
> Not only these believers think of nonsense, but actually help to suck
> enormous amount of resources down the drain instead of using them to
> eradicate poverty, hunger, etc for this world.
>
> But of course you are a brainwashed bigot not favoring that sort of
> thinking...
>>

you do nothing to fight the causes you just stated so go blow a balloon

[felix_unger]

On 02-April-2013 1:19 PM, Yap wrote:

> On Mar 30, 10:52 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> On 31-March-2013 1:10 AM, Syd M. wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 30, 6:55 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>> It is what is, and you don't get to define us, Failednuts.
>> you don't get to tell ppl what they can think or not
> Not only these believers think of nonsense, but actually help to suck
> enormous amount of resources down the drain instead of using them to
> eradicate poverty, hunger, etc for this world.

what are you babbling about?? If you're talking about religious
organizations, then they do an enormous amount of charitable work
worldwide. where are the atheist organizations seeking to eradicate
poverty, hunger, etc.,?

> But of course you are a brainwashed bigot

please explain why I'm a brainwashed bigot, you brainwashed bigot

> not favoring that sort of thinking...

[fasgnadh]

sbalneav slithered between meals:
> Joe Bruno <atan...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:17:10 AM UTC-7, casey wrote:
>>> On Mar 30, 9:55 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>

>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>>> #
>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>> # >
>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>> # >
>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>
>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>
>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>>
>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>> # >
>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>>
>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>>>
>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>>
>>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.

>>> [...]
...

>> The theist position is that "we believe there is a God".
>>

>> That is not a statement that God is a fact, merely a statement that we believe there is one.
>
> Excellent!

I'm glad you find nothing to disagree with, and accept both of those
rational arguments with such high praise!



You can be a theist simply by believing there is a God

You can be an atheist simply by BELIEVING there isn't a God,
as claimed, without proof, by d'Reamer and Hysteria7!
(and get counted in the Atheists OFFICIAL USENET membership list!)


We agnostics take the RATIONAL position that neither of you have
conclusive proof for your beliefs (although history provides abundant
EVIDENCE of successful civilisations based on theism, none based on
atheism, just a series of totalitarian atheist states) and people
are free to believe what they like.

What this sub-thread shows is that theists are more open and honest
about their beliefs, as their spiritual beliefs enjoin them to be,
than atheist hypocrites who claim proof of beliefs is required,
and yet have none for their own beliefs!! - as the lack of moral
principles in atheism would lead one to expect.

> You've successfully communicated this belief to us here in
> alt.atheism.

As you have done with your scathing analysis of atheist societies;

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

Now we can all see the EVIDENCE for your claim, in

atheist states; the USSR, MAoist China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Nth Korea

BAAWA,

The atheist Militant League of the Godless,

atheistnexus:
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:jahnu


...so I can see your argument for MANY, even MOST atheist groups, but
have you PROOF that EVERY last one is an evil abomination!?!!!!!!

perhaps some are just misled abominations, or evil fuckups?

Oh well, you are the insider.. you have accurately described all the
ones we are aware of.. you may be right about all the others!

> One assumes your work here is done, then?

Well, no, atheists are always hypocritically demanding theists
have PROOF for their beliefs, so where is the proof for the atheist
beliefs, such as the one that got d'Reamer accepted as an atheist by
the Keeper of the Atheist Membership Roll, your crony Hysteria7? B^D

And where's your PROOF that EVERY atheist society has been an evil
abomination?

I know d'reamer and Hysteria7 have no proof for their categorical claim
that no deities exist. It's a logical impossibility and they are
clearly ignorant of formal logic.

>> That is not proselytizing, either.

Of course not, I discuss atheism and theism, I don't prosletyse for
either. Atheists apparently are more dogmatic and opposed ot free
and open discussion, as every atheist regime and their behaviour in
USENET shows.

> Stating your belief that God exists in a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion
> of topics of interest to non-believers?

There are longstanding OPEN INVITATIONS to do so, why would you
now hypocritically pretend it was never extended:

# From: Andres64 <andr...@excite.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: You know what's really sad?
# Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:52:40 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <4e8064af-
#
# I wish a believer with even half of a brain
# would come here so we could have real discussions.

___________________________________________________________________


# From: Haywire <paris...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: You know what's really sad?
# Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:22:30 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
# <a760daf5-925d-4f44...@a7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>
#
# > I wish a believer with even half of a brain
# > would come here so we could have real discussions.
#
# Seconded.
# If there are any of you out there,
# come on in,
#
# we don't bite!

Oh the IRONY! B^D They bite like RABID DOGS! B^D

No atheists objected to those OPEN INVITATIONS, and hundreds of theists
have started threads in which atheists have actively participated!

In fact, it's clear that atheists PREFER to debate religious fundies
rather than say, agnostics, or rational theists, because they stand a
chance of defeating them!! B^D

Why are you MILITANT New Atheist Dogmatists so afraid of dialogue,
are your beliefs really so FRAGILE that you fear to have them tested?

It must be terrible to be so timid and afraid of DISCUSSION?
Is USENET really your Gig.. perhaps a WEBSITE where ONLY
YOUR OPINIONS can be heard is more up your alley!

Oh wait.. that's what alt.atheism.Borg, your TROLL site, is ABOUT!!!

So, just because YOU can't sustain a rational discussion
or keep up, don't come the nazi Jackboot "YOU RUN USENET" Bullshit,
you lying tub of lard? These are FREE, OPEN, DISCUSSION GROUPS!

It's not like your atheist tyranies where you can torture or kill
dissenters from your regime or critics of your fragile dogma! B^D

Those days are OVER, Comrade Pravda! B^D

To invite guests and then betate them for arriving
*IS* boorish behaviour.

> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boor

Video of the atheist boor at work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U

--


"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/


http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source



"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”

[sbalneav]

You can also be an atheist by not believing the claims of theists.

> We agnostics take the RATIONAL position that neither of you have
> conclusive proof for your beliefs (although history provides abundant
> EVIDENCE of successful civilisations based on theism, none based on
> atheism, just a series of totalitarian atheist states) and people
> are free to believe what they like.

They certainly are. However, what they're not allowed to do is use their
personal beliefs in a deity as a bludgeon to prevent gays from marrying, obtain
special priviledges to public resources, etc.

> What this sub-thread shows is that theists are more open and honest
> about their beliefs, as their spiritual beliefs enjoin them to be,
> than atheist hypocrites who claim proof of beliefs is required,
> and yet have none for their own beliefs!! - as the lack of moral
> principles in atheism would lead one to expect.

When theists assert their claims have a basis in reality, atheists generally
tend to ask for evidence, which is entirely different from proof. Proof is for
mathematics and liquor.

> > You've successfully communicated this belief to us here in
>> alt.atheism.
>
> As you have done with your scathing analysis of atheist societies;
>
> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>
> - Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

I notice you no longer provide the link. Here it is:

http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:fasgnadh

You'll notice your attribution is incorrect.

I thought you were supposed to be some kind of "Independent Journalist/Blogger"

Or so google tells me.

> Now we can all see the EVIDENCE for your claim, in
>
> atheist states; the USSR, MAoist China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Nth Korea
>
> BAAWA,
>
> The atheist Militant League of the Godless,
>
> atheistnexus:
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:jahnu

Yup, your fellow troll Jahnu gets a pranging as well.

> ...so I can see your argument for MANY, even MOST atheist groups, but
> have you PROOF that EVERY last one is an evil abomination!?!!!!!!
>
> perhaps some are just misled abominations, or evil fuckups?
>
> Oh well, you are the insider.. you have accurately described all the
> ones we are aware of.. you may be right about all the others!

Atheists, including myself, do many good things. As has already been explained
to you, what you term as "atheist states" were more properly identified as
communist states.

>> One assumes your work here is done, then?
>
> Well, no, atheists are always hypocritically demanding theists
> have PROOF for their beliefs, so where is the proof for the atheist
> beliefs,

There's quite a bit of evidence indicating that there's not any kind of deity:

* There's, for starters, not only a complete lack of any empirical evidence
things such as souls, an afterlife, heaven, hell, deities, etc., but more
importantly, no investigation is attempted by theists, nor any explaination
offered as to how these supernatural realms could interact or affect our
universe.
* Statistical analysis of the benefits of intercessionary prayer have proven
to be either of no help at all, or in one study, it was even found to be
harmful (it was hypothesized that this was due to the stress added to the
patient; if they were sick enough to be prayed-for, they must REALLY be
sick!)
* The lack of any geological or any other physical evidence for any of the
supernatural claims of any religion (i.e. no worldwide flood evidence, the
world does not rest on the back of a turtle, etc.)
* The continuing replacement of supernatural explainations for natural
phenomenon with scientific ones, as these are repeatable, testable, and most
of all, have predictive power.
* The lack of any empirical evidence for any "modern" miracles. In the old
days, Deities supposedly made the sun stand still, parted seas, gave birth
to the world, etc. Today, in our modern world of scientific enquiry,
skeptical analysis, and global communication, the best these deities seem to
be able to muster is appearing in grilled cheese sandwiches. In a world
with so many problems, deities with an obsession with toast seems...
pointless.

That's a few to go on.

> such as the one that got d'Reamer accepted as an atheist by
> the Keeper of the Atheist Membership Roll, your crony Hysteria7? B^D
>
> And where's your PROOF that EVERY atheist society has been an evil
> abomination?

That every "atheist state" has been evil is your talking point, not mine.

> I know d'reamer and Hysteria7 have no proof for their categorical claim
> that no deities exist. It's a logical impossibility and they are
> clearly ignorant of formal logic.

And you're clearly ignorant of science. Formal Logic doesn't apply to reality.
You don't find things out about reality by applying formal logic, you find
things out about reality by observation and experimentation.

http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/appendixe/appendixe.html

"As stated earlier, the scientific method attempts to minimize the influence of
the scientist's bias on the outcome of an experiment. That is, when testing an
hypothesis or a theory, the scientist may have a preference for one outcome or
another, and it is important that this preference not bias the results or their
interpretation. The most fundamental error is to mistake the hypothesis for an
explanation of a phenomenon, without performing experimental tests. Sometimes
"common sense" and "logic" tempt us into believing that no test is needed.
There are numerous examples of this, dating from the Greek philosophers to the
present day."

>>> That is not proselytizing, either.
>
> Of course not, I discuss atheism and theism, I don't prosletyse for
> either. Atheists apparently are more dogmatic and opposed ot free
> and open discussion, as every atheist regime and their behaviour in
> USENET shows.

This group is open, and prosyletizing isn't welcome, per the FAQ:

http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq

This FAQ dates back from the 1990's. However, there's a difference between
"Isn't welcome" and "Will be forcibly stopped". It's an open group.

Not so. I've had several discussions with people who've come in here who have
been genial, and I reciprocate in kind. Unfortunately, the vast majority of
theists who come in here DON'T come in to ask honest questions, or have
meaningful debates. They usually come in, like Jahnu, to push their own
religious agenda, or like you, to simply be disruptive. You have a known
history of this, in this group, and others. Like I say, Google reveals much.

> No atheists objected to those OPEN INVITATIONS, and hundreds of theists
> have started threads in which atheists have actively participated!
>
> In fact, it's clear that atheists PREFER to debate religious fundies
> rather than say, agnostics, or rational theists, because they stand a
> chance of defeating them!! B^D

I've attempted to address your posts several times, like I'm doing so now.

Whenever you want to have an actual debate, let me know.

> Why are you MILITANT New Atheist Dogmatists so afraid of dialogue,
> are your beliefs really so FRAGILE that you fear to have them tested?

What is it you're going to test? Like I say, if you want an actual debate, and
you don't think I can "defeat" you (how one is "defeated" when you're debating
about the nature of reality, I'm not sure...), then by all means, start
debating.

> It must be terrible to be so timid and afraid of DISCUSSION?
> Is USENET really your Gig.. perhaps a WEBSITE where ONLY
> YOUR OPINIONS can be heard is more up your alley!

I'm here, and haven't left.

> Oh wait.. that's what alt.atheism.Borg, your TROLL site, is ABOUT!!!
>
> So, just because YOU can't sustain a rational discussion
> or keep up, don't come the nazi Jackboot "YOU RUN USENET" Bullshit,
> you lying tub of lard? These are FREE, OPEN, DISCUSSION GROUPS!

Where have I said they aren't?

> It's not like your atheist tyranies where you can torture or kill
> dissenters from your regime or critics of your fragile dogma! B^D

Why do you accuse me of wanting to torture or kill people?

> Those days are OVER, Comrade Pravda! B^D
>
> To invite guests and then betate them for arriving
> *IS* boorish behaviour.
>
>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boor
>
> Video of the atheist boor at work:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U

--

sbalneav | A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.
a.a #2171 | -- Adlai Stevenson
alt-atheism.org |

[felix_unger]

On 02-April-2013 3:49 PM, sbalneav wrote:

> In alt.atheism fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ___________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> # From: Haywire <paris...@gmail.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: You know what's really sad?
>> # Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:22:30 -0700 (PDT)
>> # Message-ID:
>> # <a760daf5-925d-4f44...@a7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # > I wish a believer with even half of a brain
>> # > would come here so we could have real discussions.
>> #
>> # Seconded.
>> # If there are any of you out there,
>> # come on in,
>> #
>> # we don't bite!
>>
>> Oh the IRONY! B^D They bite like RABID DOGS! B^D
> Not so.

yes so

> I've had several discussions with people who've come in here who have
> been genial, and I reciprocate in kind.

you're exceptional

> Unfortunately, the vast majority of
> theists who come in here DON'T come in to ask honest questions, or have
> meaningful debates.

but atheists assume everyone who makes any comment about atheism they
don't agree with is a theist, and attack them accordingly, as if they
have some right to decide who posts there and who doesn't. I was even
criticised for 'coming in uninvited'! how does one get invited to a
public ng? who does the inviting? however, we should be careful not to
judge all by the actions of the few, but it's the actions of the few for
the most part who determine what experience we have when it's only they
who reply.

> They usually come in, like Jahnu, to push their own
> religious agenda,

so why not just ignore them? It IS a public forum.

> or like you, to simply be disruptive. You have a known
> history of this, in this group, and others. Like I say, Google reveals much.

my first posts into AA I simply asked questions and was immediately
attacked with "fuck off!" etc.,. You see AA posters with rose coloured
glasses.

[Yap]

On Apr 2, 10:34 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 02-April-2013 1:19 PM, Yap wrote:
>
> > On Mar 30, 10:52 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> >> On 31-March-2013 1:10 AM, Syd M. wrote:
>
> >>> On Mar 30, 6:55 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
> >>>> "non-belief in deities":
> >>> It is what is, and you don't get to define us, Failednuts.
> >> you don't get to tell ppl what they can think or not
> > Not only these believers think of nonsense, but actually help to suck
> > enormous amount of resources down the drain instead of using them to
> > eradicate poverty, hunger, etc for this world.
>
> what are you babbling about?? If you're talking about religious
> organizations, then they do an enormous amount of charitable work
> worldwide. where are the atheist organizations seeking to eradicate
> poverty, hunger, etc.,?

Enormous amount of charity, you say?
Tell me where did the money came from????????????????????????
The church organization makes massive lies about heaven in return for
money, and promises non-existent eternal lives in return for tithers.
And they use the vast amount of excess money in the name of charity or
in the name of their pixie, with AGENDA that more suckers will become
money trees.

On the other hand, atheists are individual and each contribute in
their own capacity, without string attached or agenda.
Even if there are some small atheist organizations, they do not ask
for money the way tither works.

>
> > But of course you are a brainwashed bigot
>
> please explain why I'm a brainwashed bigot, you brainwashed bigot

Your embrace of lies preached by the priests that there is some kind
of pixie in the sky.
Name one instance that any pixie sticks his finger out to help a
fellow human !

[felix_unger]

The fact is there are a gazillion religious organizations doing
charitable work worldwide. Atheist?? none! the best you can manage are
websites criticising others!

>
>>> But of course you are a brainwashed bigot
>> please explain why I'm a brainwashed bigot, you brainwashed bigot
> Your embrace of lies preached by the priests that there is some kind
> of pixie in the sky.
> Name one instance that any pixie sticks his finger out to help a
> fellow human !

You know NOTHING about me, least of all what I believe or not, if
anything. You just open your big mouth and yap, yap, yap.

[sbalneav]

felix, for the most part, it's pretty much the same 30 or so posters here, for
years. The arrival of anyone new is usually either a sock, or, if it IS a
genuine new poster, is usually treated well, in my experience.

By me, certainly, anyway.

>> They usually come in, like Jahnu, to push their own
>> religious agenda,
>
> so why not just ignore them? It IS a public forum.

I have a right to call bullshit when I see it. And more importantly, this is
usually what the theists want; they want atheists to stay silent, and allow
them to control the conversation. I don't wander into churches and start
handing out pamphlets promoting atheism; heck, I don't start new threads in
theist newsgroups. I stick pretty much here, in alt.atheism.

>> or like you, to simply be disruptive. You have a known
>> history of this, in this group, and others. Like I say, Google reveals much.
>
> my first posts into AA I simply asked questions and was immediately
> attacked with "fuck off!" etc.,. You see AA posters with rose coloured
> glasses.

Can you link to these posts?

--
sbalneav | Nothing sickens me more
a.a #2171 | than the closed door of a library.
alt-atheism.org | -- Barbara Tuchman

[sbalneav]

Incorrect:

http://www.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities
http://thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/

Also, bluntly, atheists often contribute to church or religious charities all
the time. I do.

--
sbalneav | A truly great library contains something in it
a.a #2171 | to offend everyone.
alt-atheism.org | -- Mary Jo Godwin

[R Brown]

> Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their id�e fixe is

> "the non existance of deities" it's just they can only see ONE SIDE!
>
> Budikka, for example talks of nothing else but Creationism!
>

> But you are arguing that ONLY SOME words from atheists count,

> and not their ACTIONS even more than their hypocritical self-serving
> PROPAGANDA AND LIES:
>
> In the same way that Nazism is "nothing more than 'national socialist

> workers party'", IF you only listen to how the Nazis DEFINE THEMSELVES

> and refuse to look at the EVIDENCE OF WHAT THEY DO!!!
>
> just as you have tried to do with atheism!
>
> Look, fool, this was Hypatia7, the KEEPER of the OFFICIAL LIST OF
> USENET ATHEISTS, (a list which is CLEARLY A PROPAGANDA LIE, there are
> not 2000 atheists posting here.. there are not even 200!!) accepting
> an unproven BELIEF, a categorical claim, WITHOUT PROOF, that "there

> are no deities" to be atheism for the purpose of the list!

> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that

> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
> #

> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
> # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods

What a torrent of bat-shit crazy paranoia! No wonder nutters like
fasgnadh only exist on usenet.

And these guys can't figure out why their ranting and raving make no
difference in the real world? In fact, they can't even see their own
paradoxical intention: anyone on the fence has only to read a brief
history of this guy's spew and they'll be sure to join the atheist camp!

However, this could be your lucky day - maybe they're serving chocolate
pudding for your dessert tonight at the home! You might get some, if
you're a good boy and don't poop in your pants again.

Oops, too late. I sense another zoo-monkey, poo-flinging episode coming
again. keep it up poster boy! You're the best add for the lunacy of
theists that we have! We can't make this shit up - we NEED you! C'mon,
let's see you vent your spleen again! This time, let's see if you can
really burst a blood vessel!

So c'mon my little meat puppet - do your thing! You know you can't stop
yourself.

Soooooo, predictable. So pathetic. It really does suck to be you.

R.Brown

--

[felix_unger]

You mean from your observation. I'm speaking from personal experience.
fasgnadh says the same.

> By me, certainly, anyway.

well that's a different matter isn't it

>>> They usually come in, like Jahnu, to push their own
>>> religious agenda,
>> so why not just ignore them? It IS a public forum.
> I have a right to call bullshit when I see it.

you have a right to your opinion, and to express it, something you
wouldn't have in an atheist country :) and you are able to insult and
abuse others, since this medium provides that opportunity, but just
because you may not do so, doesn't mean others don't or won't.

> And more importantly, this is
> usually what the theists want; they want atheists to stay silent, and allow
> them to control the conversation. I don't wander into churches and start
> handing out pamphlets promoting atheism; heck, I don't start new threads in
> theist newsgroups. I stick pretty much here, in alt.atheism.
>
>>> or like you, to simply be disruptive. You have a known
>>> history of this, in this group, and others. Like I say, Google reveals much.
>> my first posts into AA I simply asked questions and was immediately
>> attacked with "fuck off!" etc.,. You see AA posters with rose coloured
>> glasses.
> Can you link to these posts?
>

not really. I don't keep records, but there is one recent one I did
record by Don Martin. I merely stated a FACT, and was abused for it

http://theangryatheist.weebly.com/responses.html

[felix_unger]

I realized I would be in trouble saying 'none', as there are sure to be
some. However, compared to what religious organizations do, the number
is very small.

>
> http://www.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities
> http://thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/

those links include a number of humanitarian organizations and people.
Humanitarians are not atheists, they could have any belief about
spiritual matters. and UNICIF, OXFAM, the RED CROSS, etc., are atheist
organizations?? LOL!! gimme a break!

>
> Also, bluntly, atheists often contribute to church or religious charities all
> the time. I do.

and sharply, we were talking about organizations not individuals

[sbalneav]

When I first came here my questions were answered nicely. So I speak from
personal experience too.

>> By me, certainly, anyway.
>
> well that's a different matter isn't it

I'm part of alt.atheism, so no.

>>>> They usually come in, like Jahnu, to push their own
>>>> religious agenda,
>>> so why not just ignore them? It IS a public forum.
>> I have a right to call bullshit when I see it.
>
> you have a right to your opinion, and to express it, something you
> wouldn't have in an atheist country

There's never been an "atheist country". There's been some communist ones. You
can't really run a country on the lack of belief in a God.

> :) and you are able to insult and
> abuse others,

I rarely do, and only to those who've insulted me first. Like I say, I'm under
no obigation to turn the other cheek. Hit me once, and the gloves are off.

> since this medium provides that opportunity, but just
> because you may not do so, doesn't mean others don't or won't.

That's fair. Someone liek fasgnadh wants to come out swinging, he's welcome to
do so. He's the one who looks silly, not me.

>> And more importantly, this is
>> usually what the theists want; they want atheists to stay silent, and allow
>> them to control the conversation. I don't wander into churches and start
>> handing out pamphlets promoting atheism; heck, I don't start new threads in
>> theist newsgroups. I stick pretty much here, in alt.atheism.
>>
>>>> or like you, to simply be disruptive. You have a known
>>>> history of this, in this group, and others. Like I say, Google reveals much.
>>> my first posts into AA I simply asked questions and was immediately
>>> attacked with "fuck off!" etc.,. You see AA posters with rose coloured
>>> glasses.
>> Can you link to these posts?
>>
>
> not really. I don't keep records, but there is one recent one I did
> record by Don Martin. I merely stated a FACT, and was abused for it
>
> http://theangryatheist.weebly.com/responses.html

Your halo ain't exactly clean either, felix. Do I need to remind you of the
conversation you and fasgnadh had regarding saving a picture?

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

--
sbalneav | I threw my cup away when I saw a child
a.a #2171 | drinking from his hands at the trough.
alt-atheism.org | -- Diogenes

[sbalneav]

Well, not surprising, given:

1) The relative number of atheists to theists.
2) Atheism's general "decentralized" nature.
3) The general stigma associated with being an "out" atheist.

>> http://www.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities
>> http://thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/
>
> those links include a number of humanitarian organizations and people.
> Humanitarians are not atheists, they could have any belief about
> spiritual matters. and UNICIF, OXFAM, the RED CROSS, etc., are atheist
> organizations?? LOL!! gimme a break!

They're a-religious, and don't require belief in a deity to either work at,
belong to, or join. The secular coalition in my city often does small charity
drives, etc.

http://www.unicef.org/search/search.php?q=Article%2014:%20Freedom%20of%20thought%20and%20religion&type=Main
http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/The-international-Movement/Religious-neutrality

The Red Cross does good work, and I've contributed to them many times over the
years, most recently for their work in the New York flooding.

>> Also, bluntly, atheists often contribute to church or religious charities all
>> the time. I do.
>
> and sharply, we were talking about organizations not individuals

And you were incorrect on your statement.

--
sbalneav | The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible
a.a #2171 | worlds; the pessimist fears it is true.
alt-atheism.org | -- James Branch Cabell

[fasgnadh]

R Brown has no argument, just whines ineffectually:

>> atheists, if you BELIEVE what they want you to believe!

>>
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>> So if that ISN'T atheism, they are cooking the books,
>> if it IS atheism, they are all Liars.
>>
>> And that will be the end of the argument AGAIN!
>>
>> Whenever atheists exhaust ALL the possible SPIN, self-serving
>> propaganda and lies they can think of.. the slink off and sulk.

Which is exactly what Brown has done

>>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not
>>>>>> exist, even if they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring
>>>>>> proof.
>>>>>>

>>>> the atheists repeatedly make the claim, without proof,
>>>> that there is no God or Gods, that is the point!
>>>>
>>>> They put their UNPROVEN BELIEFS out on the
>>>> sides of Buses, on t-Shirts, on their public campaigns:
>>>>
>>>> "There is no God" is an ATHEIST BELIEF:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html
>>>>
>>>> LA Public Declaration - No Gods:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes they pretend a nod to science; "Probably" no Gods; B^p
>>>>
>>>> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/
>>>> 6/12 31252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Dawkins wanted "There is no God" But was talked into copying a
>>>> BEER AD because it might sell better, and they added "Probably"
>>>>
>>>> But they still can't show any mathematical basis for the
>>>> PROBABILITY of their belief!
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA
>>>>
>>>> And of course the HISTORICAL REALITY of atheism is violent
>>>> anti-theism;
>>>>
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>>>

>>>> "WHERE IS THE PROOF OF ATHEIST BELIEFS ABOUT GOD?"

...

>>>> Do you have ANY proof of the atheist belief that
>>>> "It is false that any deities exist"
>>
>> Oh dear, R Brown is forced to concede. There is no proof.
>>
>>>>> I thought not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then thou shouldst try to think in future!

...

>> Brown started talking shit and never managed anything better:
>>
>>>>> "When you're talking with a creationist,
>>
>> I'm an agnostic, you ignorant hate filled athesit liar
>>

>> Why are you such a slandering shitpig?
...

>> Snot Balneave is right;
>>
>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>
>> - Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE

...

>>> a-theism = "without theology".

atheism = without PROOF! and more often == without a POINT!

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
>>
>> d'Reamer and Hypatia defined atheism as a belief that
>> no deities exist and now you define atheism in relation to theology,
>> the discussion of deities.. when atheists are always discussing them!
>>
>> theology - "reasoning or discussion concerning the Deity"
>>

>> Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their id�e fixe is

...

>>> Atheist don't promote any theology because they don't have one.
>>
>> BULLSHIT, they are ALL OVER THE SHOP promoting their CONFUSED,
>> self-contradictory BULLSHIT and then they have the temerity to
>> attack those of use who point out ther SELF-CONTRADICTIONS;
>>
>> Atheist ideology There is no God
>> http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html
>>
>> LA Park no gods
>> http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg
>>
>> Bus ad prosletysing atheist ideology:
>> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/12
>> 31252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg
>>
>>
>> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
>> #
>> #
>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
>> # The Age 29/1/2009
>>
>> http://firstchurchofatheism.com/
>>

>> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that

>> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>> #

>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
>> # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods

>> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
>> # incremental evolution."'
>> #
>> #
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=al
>> l
>>

>> I follow the sage advice of my brother, St Rod
>> I made that perfectly clear years ago:
>>
>>
>> # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:36:22 +1100
>> shows how long ^^^^ atheists have been LYING about me!
>>
>> # From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
>> #################################################################
>> # For all the slow-witted Atheists who STILL insist on
>> # PROJECTING their obsessions with ARID theological disputes
>> # (because propositions incapable of falsification mean they
>> # can NEVER BE WRONG! ;-) please pay attention to what
>> # you have already been told, instead of making shit up!
>> #
>> # " I'll stick with the philosophy of my brother, St Rod,
>> # who says he doesn't want to hear about people's theology,
>> # he only cares about the way they ACT toward each other."
>> #
>> # Message-ID: <49077a4a$0$28216$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>
>> #
>> ##################################################################
>>
>> So you are just the last in along line of SLANDERING ATHEIST LIARS
>> who can't debate the FACTS, can't refute my logic, can't rebut the
>> EVIDENCE, and can't mount a rational argument, so you LIE:
>>
>>> and it's a nasty little bugger at that! Full of hatred
>>> and paranoia as your posts repeatedly show.
>>

>> More empty blather, with no SUBSTANCE and no EVIDENCE;
>>
>>> Here again we can clearly see the theist's paradoxical intention.
>>
>> I'm an agnostic and you use my posts as examples of what theists
>> think!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

So, you got floored in that round, looks like you're DONE! What next?

> a torrent of bat-shit crazy paranoia!

So, no substance from you, AGAIN. just ad hom and abuse?

Ok, then you get played with, because you have no serious argument:

> nutters like fasgnadh

Yeah, I'm lovable,
but I can't reciprocate, you malign nutjobs make me puke.

> ranting and raving make no difference in the real world

are you only just realising that AFTER making a career of it!

What a wasted life you have led! B^D

> be sure to join the atheist camp!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

That shit just Ain't workin, dude!

Atheists are the most despised cult in the USA:

# Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"
# - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
#
# "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota
# found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�
#
# "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
# university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
# below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and
# other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
# American society.�
#
# Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
# least willing to allow their children to marry.
#
# Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
# organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
# they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
# by a large portion of the American public.
#
# Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with
# an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
# behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
#
# Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
# social disorder is behind the findings.
# �Americans believe they share more than rules and
# procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
# understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our
# findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
# self-interested individuals who are not concerned
# with the common good.�

> However, this could be your lucky day - maybe they're serving chocolate
> pudding for your dessert tonight at the home! You might get some, if
> you're a good boy and don't poop in your pants again.

Sorry, I didn't realise you are a 5 year old.

Go tell your mother she wants you....

> Oops, too late. I sense another zoo-monkey, poo-flinging episode coming
> again. keep it up poster boy! You're the best add for the lunacy of
> theists that we have! We can't make this shit up - we NEED you! C'mon,
> let's see you vent your spleen again! This time, let's see if you can
> really burst a blood vessel!
>
> So c'mon my little meat puppet - do your thing! You know you can't stop
> yourself.
>
> Soooooo, predictable. So pathetic. It really does suck to be you.
>
> R.Brown

So weak it's a wonder you can walk. pfffft!

[felix_unger]

They are NOT atheist organizations as you wrongly claimed, they are
simply secular organizations.

>>> Also, bluntly, atheists often contribute to church or religious charities all
>>> the time. I do.
>> and sharply, we were talking about organizations not individuals
> And you were incorrect on your statement.
>


--

[felix_unger]

as an atheist

>
>>> By me, certainly, anyway.
>> well that's a different matter isn't it
> I'm part of alt.atheism, so no.

I speak generally, but you keep trying to make it about you

>>>>> They usually come in, like Jahnu, to push their own
>>>>> religious agenda,
>>>> so why not just ignore them? It IS a public forum.
>>> I have a right to call bullshit when I see it.
>> you have a right to your opinion, and to express it, something you
>> wouldn't have in an atheist country
> There's never been an "atheist country". There's been some communist ones. You
> can't really run a country on the lack of belief in a God.
>
>> :) and you are able to insult and
>> abuse others,
> I rarely do,

and I never said you did. as I said, you keep trying make it about you

> and only to those who've insulted me first. Like I say, I'm under
> no obigation to turn the other cheek. Hit me once, and the gloves are off.
>
>> since this medium provides that opportunity, but just
>> because you may not do so, doesn't mean others don't or won't.
> That's fair. Someone liek fasgnadh wants to come out swinging, he's welcome to
> do so. He's the one who looks silly, not me.
>
>>> And more importantly, this is
>>> usually what the theists want; they want atheists to stay silent, and allow
>>> them to control the conversation. I don't wander into churches and start
>>> handing out pamphlets promoting atheism; heck, I don't start new threads in
>>> theist newsgroups. I stick pretty much here, in alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>>> or like you, to simply be disruptive. You have a known
>>>>> history of this, in this group, and others. Like I say, Google reveals much.
>>>> my first posts into AA I simply asked questions and was immediately
>>>> attacked with "fuck off!" etc.,. You see AA posters with rose coloured
>>>> glasses.
>>> Can you link to these posts?
>>>
>> not really. I don't keep records, but there is one recent one I did
>> record by Don Martin. I merely stated a FACT, and was abused for it
>>
>> http://theangryatheist.weebly.com/responses.html
> Your halo ain't exactly clean either, felix.

who said I ever had one? :) but I don't abuse and insult ppl simply for
making a statement of fact as Don Martin did.

> Do I need to remind you of the
> conversation you and fasgnadh had regarding saving a picture?
>
> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

oh? so talking about saving a picture equates to telling ppl to 'fuck
off!' and abusing them?. strange ideas you have

[sbalneav]

I dispute your generalizations.

>>>>>> They usually come in, like Jahnu, to push their own
>>>>>> religious agenda,
>>>>> so why not just ignore them? It IS a public forum.
>>>> I have a right to call bullshit when I see it.
>>> you have a right to your opinion, and to express it, something you
>>> wouldn't have in an atheist country
>> There's never been an "atheist country". There's been some communist ones. You
>> can't really run a country on the lack of belief in a God.
>>
>>> :) and you are able to insult and
>>> abuse others,
>> I rarely do,
>
> and I never said you did. as I said, you keep trying make it about you

But I am part of this group, and you keep making blanket generalizations.
There's LOTS of good debate that takes place here.

>> and only to those who've insulted me first. Like I say, I'm under
>> no obigation to turn the other cheek. Hit me once, and the gloves are off.
>>
>>> since this medium provides that opportunity, but just
>>> because you may not do so, doesn't mean others don't or won't.
>> That's fair. Someone liek fasgnadh wants to come out swinging, he's welcome to
>> do so. He's the one who looks silly, not me.
>>
>>>> And more importantly, this is
>>>> usually what the theists want; they want atheists to stay silent, and allow
>>>> them to control the conversation. I don't wander into churches and start
>>>> handing out pamphlets promoting atheism; heck, I don't start new threads in
>>>> theist newsgroups. I stick pretty much here, in alt.atheism.
>>>>
>>>>>> or like you, to simply be disruptive. You have a known
>>>>>> history of this, in this group, and others. Like I say, Google reveals much.
>>>>> my first posts into AA I simply asked questions and was immediately
>>>>> attacked with "fuck off!" etc.,. You see AA posters with rose coloured
>>>>> glasses.
>>>> Can you link to these posts?
>>>>
>>> not really. I don't keep records, but there is one recent one I did
>>> record by Don Martin. I merely stated a FACT, and was abused for it
>>>
>>> http://theangryatheist.weebly.com/responses.html
>> Your halo ain't exactly clean either, felix.
>
> who said I ever had one? :) but I don't abuse and insult ppl simply for
> making a statement of fact as Don Martin did.

If your delicate sensibilities are so easily injured by someone bluntly
indicating you post somewhere else, might I suggest usenet may not be for you?
:)

>> Do I need to remind you of the
>> conversation you and fasgnadh had regarding saving a picture?
>>
>> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>
> oh? so talking about saving a picture equates to telling ppl to 'fuck
> off!' and abusing them?. strange ideas you have

Telling someone to fuck off is just rude. Helping someone hunt down real life
pictures of someone is stalking.

--
sbalneav | If evil be spoken of you and it be true,
a.a #2171 | correct yourself, if it be a lie, laugh at it.
alt-atheism.org | -- Epictetus

[sbalneav]

A secular organization IS an atheist organization. No belief in God is
required.

And, as was pointed out, there ARE organizations that are *overtly* atheist
that exist, and do charity work.

>>>> Also, bluntly, atheists often contribute to church or religious charities all
>>>> the time. I do.
>>> and sharply, we were talking about organizations not individuals
>> And you were incorrect on your statement.

--

sbalneav | The road uphill and the road downhill
a.a #2171 | are one and the same.
alt-atheism.org | -- Heraclitus

[R Brown]

> > > Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their idée fixe is

> > > # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It’s highly plausible

> > > that # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
> > > #

> > > # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he’s gone
> > > around a # religious bend. "It’s very important to understand

> # Atheists Identified as America’s Most Distrusted Minority"

> # - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
> #
> # "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota

> # found that atheists are “America’s most distrusted minority.”

> #
> # "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
> # university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
> # below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and

> # other minority groups in “sharing their vision of
> # American society.”

> #
> # Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
> # least willing to allow their children to marry.
> #
> # Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
> # organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
> # they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
> # by a large portion of the American public.
> #

> # Many of the study’s respondents associated atheism with

> # an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
> # behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
> #
> # Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
> # social disorder is behind the findings.

> # “Americans believe they share more than rules and
> # procedures with their fellow citizens—they share an
> # understanding of right and wrong,” she said. “Our

> # findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
> # self-interested individuals who are not concerned

> # with the common good.”

>
>
> > However, this could be your lucky day - maybe they're serving
> > chocolate pudding for your dessert tonight at the home! You might
> > get some, if you're a good boy and don't poop in your pants again.
>
> Sorry, I didn't realise you are a 5 year old.
>
> Go tell your mother she wants you....
>
> > Oops, too late. I sense another zoo-monkey, poo-flinging episode
> > coming again. keep it up poster boy! You're the best add for the
> > lunacy of theists that we have! We can't make this shit up - we
> > NEED you! C'mon, let's see you vent your spleen again! This time,
> > let's see if you can really burst a blood vessel!
> >
> > So c'mon my little meat puppet - do your thing! You know you can't
> > stop yourself.
> >
> > Soooooo, predictable. So pathetic. It really does suck to be you.
> >
> > R.Brown
>
> So weak it's a wonder you can walk. pfffft!

Well then, let's get this sorted out:

The ad-homs are well deserved: you are just another usenet nutter
afterall, aren't you? (totally rhetorical; your next spew will only
confirm that)

I have a full time career, a professional degree and pay the taxes that
allow you to sit around on usenet all day long while you collect social
security.

Oh, and just to make sure you're on the wrong page for your rants:

Athiests don't say, "There is proof of no gods." They say, "There is no
proof of gods." Your contrary take doesn't alter that.

[re-paste bat-shit crazy rant anyway 'cuz he can't help himself, here.]

So grow up, get a real job, and pay your fair share - maybe after you
finish high school?

R.Brown



--

[felix_unger]

that's because you're a biased atheist

>
>>>>>>> They usually come in, like Jahnu, to push their own
>>>>>>> religious agenda,
>>>>>> so why not just ignore them? It IS a public forum.
>>>>> I have a right to call bullshit when I see it.
>>>> you have a right to your opinion, and to express it, something you
>>>> wouldn't have in an atheist country
>>> There's never been an "atheist country". There's been some communist ones. You
>>> can't really run a country on the lack of belief in a God.
>>>
>>>> :) and you are able to insult and
>>>> abuse others,
>>> I rarely do,
>> and I never said you did. as I said, you keep trying make it about you
> But I am part of this group, and you keep making blanket generalizations.
> There's LOTS of good debate that takes place here.

and I'm not denying that and never have

noted that Scot Balneaves approves of bad language, abuse and insult,
bullying, mockery, and attempted intimidation- unless it's directed at
him of course. and it wasn't about MY sensibilities. It was about the
behaviour of atheists, and the way they treat theists, or those who they
assume are theists- behaviour that you have now endorsed. you asked for
an example and I gave you one. my estimation of you keeps falling with
every post you make.

>
>>> Do I need to remind you of the
>>> conversation you and fasgnadh had regarding saving a picture?
>>>
>>> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>> oh? so talking about saving a picture equates to telling ppl to 'fuck
>> off!' and abusing them?. strange ideas you have
> Telling someone to fuck off is just rude. Helping someone hunt down real life
> pictures of someone is stalking.

you're an idiot mate! the picture had been posted. I had nothing to do
with it. any picture posted online can be saved by anyone. GET REAL!

--

Pete
-------
http://theangryatheist.ausnet.info

[felix_unger]

stop talking crap! this was about organizations of atheists by atheists
for charitable work. Secular organizations are NOT atheist
organizations. they are simply secular. they make no claims or demands
regarding religious beliefs, or lack thereof. just anther pathetic
attempt, by you in this case, to swell the ranks of atheists.

>
> And, as was pointed out, there ARE organizations that are *overtly* atheist
> that exist, and do charity work.

and I have not denied that

>>>>> Also, bluntly, atheists often contribute to church or religious charities all
>>>>> the time. I do.
>>>> and sharply, we were talking about organizations not individuals
>>> And you were incorrect on your statement.


--

Pete
-------
http://theangryatheist.ausnet.info

[sbalneav]

Not at all; I've had my fair share of abuse here, not the least of which from
your alt.agnosticism mate fasgnadh. You don't see me complaining.

> and it wasn't about MY sensibilities. It was about the
> behaviour of atheists, and the way they treat theists, or those who they
> assume are theists- behaviour that you have now endorsed.

Hey, people talk shit on usenet, as YOU YOURSELF pointed out. All I'm doing is
stating if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. That doesn't
count as an endorsement, but rather a simple acknowledgement of the situation
as it actually is. Just because I acknowledge that political corruption exists
doesn't mean I endorse it, either. I can't affect how other people talk.
People are responsible for their own words. I *do* disagree with both your,
and fasgnadh's constant equation of what goes on here in usenet as somehow
indicitive of atheists in general. By the same token, I don't judge most
theists by the actions of duke or Calvin.

Do me a favour, would you? If you're going to point out what you feel is a bad
position of mine, could you deal with my ACTUAL position, instead of these
straw men you keep constructing?

> you asked for
> an example and I gave you one. my estimation of you keeps falling with
> every post you make.

Your opinion is your own, to do with as you please. What you think of me
personally isn't something I can affect.

>>>> Do I need to remind you of the
>>>> conversation you and fasgnadh had regarding saving a picture?
>>>>
>>>> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>>> oh? so talking about saving a picture equates to telling ppl to 'fuck
>>> off!' and abusing them?. strange ideas you h ave
>> Telling someone to fuck off is just rude. Helping someone hunt down real life
>> pictures of someone is stalking.
>
> you're an idiot mate! the picture had been posted. I had nothing to do
> with it. any picture posted online can be saved by anyone. GET REAL!

Fasgnadh started posting links to pictures I had posted to twitter of friends
of mine and saying they were me. I responded to him directly indicating this
fact. After that, he continued to post the link, so I took the picture down.
You then told him the link was dead. He had obviously saved the picture
previously, before I took it down, in anticipation of the fact that I may take
it down.

Pretty creepy behaviour, but then, a few minutes worth of googling will
demonstrate that fasgnadh has a history of this.

--
sbalneav | Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience.
a.a #2171 | -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
alt-atheism.org |

[sbalneav]

Why am I talking crap?

> this was about organizations of atheists by atheists
> for charitable work.

That may be what you had in your mind, but that's not what you said. You said
atheist organizations. A secular organization *IS* an atheist organization; it
does not require a belief in a God or gods to work at.

And it's irrelevant; you said there were NO atheist charities, even by your
much more restrictive definition; charities BY athists, which are OVERTLY
atheist. There certainly are, as I pointed out.

> Secular organizations are NOT atheist
> organizations. they are simply secular. they make no claims or demands
> regarding religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

OK, so if you don't accept them as "atheistic" by your definition, that's fine.

There are some. That's the point.

> just anther pathetic
> attempt, by you in this case, to swell the ranks of atheists.

Your opinion.

>> And, as was pointed out, there ARE organizations that are *overtly* atheist
>> that exist, and do charity work.
>
> and I have not denied that

Uh, actually, you did.

--
sbalneav | Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth
a.a #2171 | None of them along the line know what any of it
alt-atheism.org | is worth. -- Bob Dylan, "All along the watchtower"

[fasgnadh]

R Brown still has nothing to say, so he repeats it... B^D :

> fasgnadh wrote:
>
>> R Brown has no argument, just whines ineffectually:
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>
>>>> R Brown quits; has no argument - just ad hom, lies and abuse:
>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/03/2013 2:55 AM, R Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is
>>>>>>>> merely "non-belief in deities":
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>> <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com> #
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance... # what's
>>>>>>>> BAAWA and aa followed with numbers? # From: hypatiab7
>>>>>>>> <hypa...@comcast.net> #
>>>>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>>>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!

Any cursory examination of posters in USENET can see there are not
2000 active atheists, not even 10% of that! B^D

It's like all the atheist websites that Hysteria7's clunky
Blue-hyperlinks in a Blue Background Website USED to link to,
but are now 404 DEAD ENDS! B^D

Atheism is a PROPAGANDA SHAM!

>>>>>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities
>>>> exist")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a
>>>>>>>> belief like the theist belief "It is true that some/one
>>>>>>>> deities exist"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>>>>>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>>>>>>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities
>>>>>>>> exist"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>>>>>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then
>>>>>>>> atheism is NOT merely the lack of belief in a God,
>>>>>>>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF
>>>>
>>>> R. Brown can't refute the facts, all he can do is mindlessly
>>>> chant the atheists PROPAGANDA lie about themselves....
>>>>
>>>> The EVIDENCE shows that you go on the OFFICIAL list of USENET
>>>> atheists, if you BELIEVE what they want you to believe!
>>>>
>>>> Q.E.D.
>>>>
>>>> So if that ISN'T atheism, they are cooking the books,
>>>> if it IS atheism, they are all Liars.

Both appear to be true, they ARE liars and they ARE cooking their
membership booksbecause there are not even 10% of the 2000 atheist
names, nom de nets and sockpupptes the atheists claim on thieir phony
LIST!

"There is no God" is an ATHEIST BELIEF:

http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

LA Public Declaration - No Gods:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg

Sometimes they pretend a nod to science; "Probably" no Gods;
B^p

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/200
9/1/ 6/12 31252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg

Dawkins wanted "There is no God" But was talked into copying a
BEER AD because it might sell better, and they added
"Probably"

But they still can't show any mathematical basis for the
PROBABILITY of their belief!

Which is why it was officially found to be an UNFOUNDED OPINION:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

It's just as I said.. Atheists have BELIEFS,

they put them on bus signs, t-shirts and APPLICATIONS for
Hysteria7 to include their socks as MEMBERS of the
atheist Believers CULT!

And they CAN'T PROVE THEM!!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

And of course the HISTORICAL REALITY of atheism is violent

anti-theism, as EVERY atheist state in history, BAAWA and other
violent hate-filled athiest sociopaths frequently demonstrate;

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

>>>> Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their id�e fixe is

>>>> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible

>>>> that # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>>>> #

>>>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone
>>>> around a # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand

>> # Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"

>> # - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
>> #
>> # "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota

>> # found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�

>> #
>> # "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
>> # university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
>> # below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and

>> # other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
>> # American society.�

>> #
>> # Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
>> # least willing to allow their children to marry.
>> #
>> # Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
>> # organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
>> # they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
>> # by a large portion of the American public.
>> #

>> # Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with

>> # an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
>> # behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
>> #
>> # Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
>> # social disorder is behind the findings.

>> # �Americans believe they share more than rules and
>> # procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
>> # understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our

>> # findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
>> # self-interested individuals who are not concerned

>> # with the common good.�

>>
>>
>>> However, this could be your lucky day - maybe they're serving
>>> chocolate pudding for your dessert tonight at the home! You might
>>> get some, if you're a good boy and don't poop in your pants again.
>>
>> Sorry, I didn't realise you are a 5 year old.
>>
>> Go tell your mother she wants you....
>>
>>> Oops, too late. I sense another zoo-monkey, poo-flinging episode
>>> coming again. keep it up poster boy! You're the best add for the
>>> lunacy of theists that we have! We can't make this shit up - we
>>> NEED you! C'mon, let's see you vent your spleen again! This time,
>>> let's see if you can really burst a blood vessel!
>>>
>>> So c'mon my little meat puppet - do your thing! You know you can't
>>> stop yourself.
>>>
>>> Soooooo, predictable. So pathetic. It really does suck to be you.
>>>
>>> R.Brown
>>
>> So weak it's a wonder you can walk. pfffft!
>
> Well then, let's get this sorted out:
>
> The ad-homs are

evidence that you are

> just another usenet nutter afterall

> I have a full time career

> re-paste bat-shit crazy rant

That's not a career, it's merely ALL you can do! B^]

The questis is WHY? your boyfriend said;

> 'cuz he can't help himself, here.]

And what was his advice to you"

> grow up, get a real job, and pay your fair share - maybe after you
> finish high school

I suspected you were a pimply adolescent from your feeble ad hom and
complete lack of substance.

I have a BEc and Post Graduate qualifications in ICT under Dr Trevor
Pearcy CIT, who built Australias first computer CSIRAC, worked as a
Systems Progammer, MVS and VTAM environments, then one of the first
Ungermann Bass LANs in Australia for the Bureau of Meteorology, a
Software Consultant doing a systems upgrades for Victoria Police,
Project Manager in the banking industry, installing a fully automated
backup and 1:n backup facility using STOTEK robotic tape silos and fully
redundant Fibre and Microwave HS links between two sites 15 Km apart,
(South Yarra and Mt Waverley, which will tell anyone in Oz
which Bank it was for ;-), Network Manager for one of Australia's big
four Banks, and semi retired early to give talks in the education sector
and take up a directorship in a holding company for properties including
our farm;


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/mansfieldmap.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/mansfieldrichriverland.jpg/

The House IN the hill,
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/mansfieldthehouseintheh.jpg/

.. being sunk into the hill provides a low profile from the valley
below, excellent themal insulation and in combination with a marsupial
lawn and metal roof, ensures a bushfire would blow OVER it.

Thinking can achieve a great deal, you should try it.

Kid's Cubby House;
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3077/mansfieldkidscubby.jpg
They built it.

Adults cubby:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/mansfieldhousehammock.jpg/

River flat - organic farming, the Delatite flows clean from the
Mountains, Buller's ski runs, Mt Stirling if you prefer to langlauf. ;-)

http://imageshack.us/f/814/mansfieldorganicfarming.jpg/

'Many fish bites if you got good bait' - holds for the Delatite & USENET
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/mansfieldmanyfishbites.jpg/

B^]

Harvest time for the pine plantation:

http://img80.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=clearing.jpg

The beautiful Bunyip Billabong:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/mansfieldbewarebunyipbe.jpg/




Go back and adress the issues you ran from or fuck off,
I don't have time for lightweights with no rational faculties
for debate.


>
> R.Brown

[felix_unger]

Well yes, I do! but not to fasgnadh, but to me! you criticised me ad
nauseaum regarding my comment about 'that' photo

>
>> and it wasn't about MY sensibilities. It was about the
>> behaviour of atheists, and the way they treat theists, or those who they
>> assume are theists- behaviour that you have now endorsed.
> Hey, people talk shit on usenet, as YOU YOURSELF pointed out. All I'm doing is
> stating if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

And as I have pointed out the discussion was not about my sensibilities,
it was about how ppl who post in alt.atheism are treated when they
broach the subject of atheism or theism, and my experience in that
regard, and NOT how I react to that behaviour. Please stay on track and
stop trying to divert the discussion.

> That doesn't
> count as an endorsement, but rather a simple acknowledgement of the situation
> as it actually is. Just because I acknowledge that political corruption exists
> doesn't mean I endorse it, either. I can't affect how other people talk.
> People are responsible for their own words. I *do* disagree with both your,
> and fasgnadh's constant equation of what goes on here in usenet as somehow
> indicitive of atheists in general. By the same token, I don't judge most
> theists by the actions of duke or Calvin.
>
> Do me a favour, would you? If you're going to point out what you feel is a bad
> position of mine, could you deal with my ACTUAL position, instead of these
> straw men you keep constructing?

it seemed to me that you were defending the nature of the attack.

>
>> you asked for
>> an example and I gave you one. my estimation of you keeps falling with
>> every post you make.
> Your opinion is your own, to do with as you please. What you think of me
> personally isn't something I can affect.
>
>>>>> Do I need to remind you of the
>>>>> conversation you and fasgnadh had regarding saving a picture?
>>>>>
>>>>> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>>>> oh? so talking about saving a picture equates to telling ppl to 'fuck
>>>> off!' and abusing them?. strange ideas you h ave
>>> Telling someone to fuck off is just rude. Helping someone hunt down real life
>>> pictures of someone is stalking.
>> you're an idiot mate! the picture had been posted. I had nothing to do
>> with it. any picture posted online can be saved by anyone. GET REAL!
> Fasgnadh started posting links to pictures I had posted to twitter of friends
> of mine and saying they were me. I responded to him directly indicating this
> fact. After that, he continued to post the link, so I took the picture down.
> You then told him the link was dead. He had obviously saved the picture
> previously, before I took it down, in anticipation of the fact that I may take
> it down.
>
> Pretty creepy behaviour, but then, a few minutes worth of googling will
> demonstrate that fasgnadh has a history of this.
>

and so why do you try to make me responsible for his behaviour?

[casey]

On Mar 31, 10:08 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 31/03/2013 7:06 AM, hypatiab7 continues to run:
>
>
>
> > Christopher A. Lee has no proof as usual:
> >> hypatiab7 <hypati...@comcast.net>  still running from the truth :
> >>> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:36:24 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> >>>>  casey having no proof for atheist BELIEFS, trys to change the subject:

> >>>>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
> >>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
> >>>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>
> >>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
> >>>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
> >>>>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?

> >>>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypati...@comcast.net>

> >>>>>> #
> >>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013  Dreamer In Colore wrote:
> >>>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
> >>>>>> # >
> >>>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
> >>>>>> # >
> >>>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>
> >>>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person!  B^D
>
> >>>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>

> >>>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
> >>>>>> # >
> >>>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>
> >>>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
> >>>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>
> >>>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
> >>>>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>
>  >>>>>

>  >>>>> To demonstrate the theist belief statement is true,
>  >>>>> you need to prove that deities exist.
>  >>>>>
>
> Irrelevant to the problem for atheists being UNABLE to PROVE **THEIR**
> BELIEFS
>
> It's a statement of BELIEF as Casey admit, the atheist statement
> is a categorical CLAIM "It is False that any deities exist"

Well I don't know if deities exist or not. I haven't found any
evidence to convince me that they exist that is all.

[casey]

On Mar 31, 11:10 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [...]
>     In this thread that hijacking was carried out by Casey,
>     you don't need to be bright to be an atheist stooge, you
>     just FOLLOW THE TIMEWORN SCRIPT.   yawn

Well that is your perception. I have just found this thread of
22 posts. Google only allows 5 cross posts so it is
possible my posts went nowhere. I actually assumed you
had decided not to respond to my last post which I can't
find in this thread.

The reason I snip is because I find it BORING to read
or have to scroll through your copy and paste mantra.
Also I assume the previous posts was read first so
I only keep what I am responding to.

Why do you cross post to so many groups??

[casey]

I just returned from alt.philosophy to alt.atheism and this
thread shows up in the active older topics list as 96 posts.
A posted reply to you I remember writing doesn't show
up so google heaved it out due to more than 5 cross posts.

[Yap]

If atheists wish to con people, they can also do the same as those
"gazillion organizations.
But, you are one that just think of their charity works and not how
the money came about.
If they don't do charity work with their huge amount of money, do you
think they can get more and more members to suck?

You don't possess justice conscious in my mind.

>
>
>
> >>> But of course you are a brainwashed bigot
> >> please explain why I'm a brainwashed bigot, you brainwashed bigot
> > Your embrace of lies preached by the priests that there is some kind
> > of pixie in the sky.
> > Name one instance that any pixie sticks his finger out to help a
> > fellow human !
>
> You know NOTHING about me, least of all what I believe or not, if
> anything. You just open your big mouth and yap, yap, yap.

Every single piece of post here in our aa is yapping.......and we will
yap until believers clear their link with pixies, to work for the good
of mankind, not pixie.

[%]

i do what i like

[R Brown]

fasgnadh wrote:

fasgnagh reacts exactly as predicted.

Prove that there are no dieties? You're a logical idiot. Your education
did not serve you well - ask for your money back. Must be a Collingwood
supporter. Still got some teeth left?

> > > > > Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their id�e fixe is

> > > > > # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly

> > > > > plausible that # in the universe there are God-like
> > > > > creatures." #

> > > > > # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone
> > > > > around a # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand

> >> # Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"

> > > # - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
> > > #
> > > # "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota

> > > # found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�

> > > #
> > > # "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
> > > # university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
> > > # below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and

> > > # other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
> > > # American society.�

> > > #
> > > # Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
> > > # least willing to allow their children to marry.
> > > #
> > > # Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
> > > # organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
> > > # they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
> > > # by a large portion of the American public.
> > > #

> > > # Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with

> > > # an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
> > > # behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
> > > #
> > > # Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
> > > # social disorder is behind the findings.

> > > # �Americans believe they share more than rules and
> > > # procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
> > > # understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our

> > > # findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
> > > # self-interested individuals who are not concerned

> > > # with the common good.�

[Irreverend Dave]

That's what real kooks and trolls do.


--
Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe,
but in proportion to their readiness to doubt - Ambrose Bierce

[sbalneav]

I pointed out the *fact* that you stated that you should have saved a copy.

>>> and it wasn't about MY sensibilities. It was about the
>>> behaviour of atheists, and the way they treat theists, or those who they
>>> assume are theists- behaviour that you have now endorsed.
>> Hey, people talk shit on usenet, as YOU YOURSELF pointed out. All I'm doing is
>> stating if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
>
> And as I have pointed out the discussion was not about my sensibilities,
> it was about how ppl who post in alt.atheism are treated when they
> broach the subject of atheism or theism, and my experience in that
> regard, and NOT how I react to that behaviour. Please stay on track and
> stop trying to divert the discussion.

And I've pointed out that when someone DOES come in and ask a genuine question,
in my experience, they HAVE been treated civilly.

>> That doesn't
>> count as an endorsement, but rather a simple acknowledgement of the situation
>> as it actually is. Just because I acknowledge that political corruption exists
>> doesn't mean I endorse it, either. I can't affect how other people talk.
>> People are responsible for their own words. I *do* disagree with both your,
>> and fasgnadh's constant equation of what goes on here in usenet as somehow
>> indicitive of atheists in general. By the same token, I don't judge most
>> theists by the actions of duke or Calvin.
>>
>> Do me a favour, would you? If you're going to point out what you feel is a bad
>> position of mine, could you deal with my ACTUAL position, instead of these
>> straw men you keep constructing?
>
> it seemed to me that you were defending the nature of the attack.

I was not.

>>> you asked for
>>> an example and I gave you one. my estimation of you keeps falling with
>>> every post you make.
>> Your opinion is your own, to do with as you please. What you think of me
>> personally isn't something I can affect.
>>
>>>>>> Do I need to remind you of the
>>>>>> conversation you and fasgnadh had regarding saving a picture?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>>>>> oh? so talking about saving a picture equates to telling ppl to 'fuck
>>>>> off!' and abusing them?. strange ideas you h ave
>>>> Telling someone to fuck off is just rude. Helping someone hunt down real life
>>>> pictures of someone is stalking.
>>> you're an idiot mate! the picture had been posted. I had nothing to do
>>> with it. any picture posted online can be saved by anyone. GET REAL!
>> Fasgnadh started posting links to pictures I had posted to twitter of friends
>> of mine and saying they were me. I responded to him directly indicating this
>> fact. After that, he continued to post the link, so I took the picture down.
>> You then told him the link was dead. He had obviously saved the picture
>> previously, before I took it down, in anticipation of the fact that I may take
>> it down.
>>
>> Pretty creepy behaviour, but then, a few minutes worth of googling will
>> demonstrate that fasgnadh has a history of this.
>>
>
> and so why do you try to make me responsible for his behaviour?

Where have I made you responsible for his behaviour? I stated what YOU had
done.

--
sbalneav | A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth
a.a #2171 | has a chance to get its pants on.
alt-atheism.org | -- Winston Churchill

[felix_unger]

I don't know any pixies.. or any fairys for that matter, or leprechauns,
or elfs, or...

[Budikka666]

[snipped juvneile insanity]

The bare FACT remains that i challenged you, and have challengled you
repeatedly, and YOU RAN like the stinking diarrhea you are.

Keep running, you worthless pile of chickenshit creationist trash.

Budikka

[Budikka666]

On Apr 4, 7:28 pm, Brother Love <clovedoc...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
> Your an idiot, Budda. The world is proof enough for creation.

I guess the 'turn the other cheek' injunction was lost on you, huh?!
Why am I not at all surprised to find yet another loser for Christ who
is a fundaMENTAL hypocrite?

Why don't you come back when you learn what the difference is between
'you're' and 'your', you pathetic, ignorant pile of theist trash?

Budikka

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 13:42:46 -0400, Brother Love
<clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:

>Your a lier, Budda. All you have is ad hominum. The Bible has facts.

It's spelled..... liar.

Idiot.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[fasgnadh]

# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John



# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

>>>>>>>> yes so

>>>>>>> for the most part, it's pretty much the same 30 or so posters here, for
>>>>>>> years.

Which makes a lie of Hysteria7's 2300+ membershit list, mostly imaginary
and sockpuppets!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

alt.atheism is like some evangelical churches, they CLAIM a high
membership but have MASSIVE churn, people coming in for a while,
posturing and then pissing off because ..what is there to say about
atheism?!?? B^D

Like Mike Lovell, arrived, got all the despondent atheists hyped
up about escaping the 'noise' of free open debate and going to
alt.atheism.pleasantville, the atheist's CENSORED, atheists only,
sheltered workshop!
Atheists hate free, open democratic structures, just look at their
recently resurrected corpse APOTM, Atheist Propaganda Of The Month,
it's *ATHEIST ONLY* just like in EVERY atheist state and mocked
in Orwell's Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, some are more equal
than others" BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA

I PREDICTED a.a.m would fail because, basically there is NOTHING
positive to say about atheism, it's a NEGATIVE with no substance..
atheists have to have theism to attack or else they are completely
REDUNDANT! That is why, even when agnostics criticise atheism
they are branded thesits so they can be attacked BY ROTE! B^p

As predicted alt.atheism.moderated died and Mike Lovell, the latest in
a long line of atheist Snake Oil salesmen, hasn't posted since his
little artificial sock heart heart broke in 2012! B^D

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# From: Mike Lovell <dev....@b0h0.com>
# Subject: Re: alt.atheism.moderated - It's alive again,
# non-fuctional atm
# Message-ID: <slrnjs297o....@usenet.home.b0h0.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 13:46:16 -0500
#
# I think a lot of people have been lost over the years

Despite all the viturperation directed at me for predicting the
demise of their sheltered workshop, I was PROVEN correct, again;

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!aboutgroup/alt.atheism.moderated

ACCURATE ANALYSIS and SOUND LOGIC PERMITS PREDICTIVE CAPACITY! B^]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA

That is the History of EVERY atheist state, and of atheism in general!

B^]



The atheist heavy hitters have all left;

# Trance Stupor
# Nemotoad
# Mike Lovell
# L. Raymond
# DuhIdiot
# AZ Nomad
# Robibnikoff
# Kilmir
# Douglas Berry
# pbamvv
# johac
# Louis 14
# Frank Mayhar
# Tim McGauchy
# Vipera Berus
# Waldo Tunnel
# panamafraud
# John "abu Baker Bashir
# Free Lunch
# Cary Kitterel
# Kelpie Byarnyardson
# Larry Mundinger
# Fucking Boudha
# Mark Dildo, er Bilbo B^D
# Seon the Sheep
# Mark Richo
# Dr. Smartass
# Uncle Vic
# Liz
# Chibiabos
# Andres64
# Haywire
# L. Roberts
# A Nony Mouse
# Immoralist
# Enlightenment
# David Silverman
# Brendan O�Neill
# Arturo Magidin
#
# ... and scores of others.. I HAD TO BUILD A BIGGER TROPHY ROOM!

Bukakke has pride of place:

http://www.humanisthall.net/Trophy3.jpg

>>>>>>> The arrival of anyone new is usually either a sock, or, if it IS a
>>>>>>> genuine new poster, is usually treated well, in my experience.

John Fraser's experience above shows the truth.

Mine too:

# From: "Hypatia" <H...@it.co.uk>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.culture.true-blue
# Subject: Re: Quick Survey...
# Message-ID: <XbuPk.23596$2W....@newsfe08.ams2>
# Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:26:49 -0000


# fasgnadh wrote
# > DanielSan wrote:
# >
# >> Religions, in some form or another, have been on
# >> planet Earth for human
# >> beings for over 5,000 years.
# >
# > And they are the foundations of the civilisations which have lifted
# > mankind from animal existence to a highly technological society.
# >
# > You would think some people would give credit where credit is due
# > for humanities social political and spiritual evolution...
# >
# >> To date, not a single piece of testable
# >> evidence has ever been given for the existence of deities.
# >
# > You just quoted, and then ignored dozens of them
# >
# > All those Judeao-Christian, Islamic, Hindu cultures..
# > which for thousands of years have guided social
# > evolution and lifted mankind from animal existence,
# >
# > which you have to acknowledge, because there are NO
# > GREAT OR ENDURING Atheist Civilizations...
# >
# > not even a not-so great and short lived one..
# >
# > only a couply of bloody, totalitarian regimes forcing
# > atheism down peoples throats in the 20th century..
# >
# > not even tiny atheist principality..
# >
# > or a state
# >
# > or a local council..
#
# Vacuous, question-begging spew from beginning to end.
# I can't wait for Bipolar-Boy to switch over to the 'down' phase...!
#
# H.

The hate-fileld abuse continued, falsely calling me a theist, just as
Olrik does years later!

>>>>>> you have a right to your opinion, and to express it, something you
>>>>>> wouldn't have in an atheist country
>>>>> There's never been an "atheist country".

Liar:

ATHEIST STATES


"North Korea's government exercises virtual total
control over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
- Hertzke, Allen. 2006.
Freeing God's Children. Rowman & Littlefield

---------

"Although the North Korean constitution states that freedom of religion
is permitted, free religious activities no longer exist in North Korea
as the government sponsors religious groups only to create an illusion
of religious freedom"
- Essential Background: Overview of human rights issues in
Human Rights in North Korea
(DPRK: The Democratic People's Republic of Korea)
(Human Rights Watch, 8-7-2004)

---------

"All publications are subject to supervision and censorship by the state.
There is no freedom of religion.
Independent worship is not allowed"

http://www.hrw.org/legacy/english/docs/2004/07/08/nkorea9040.htm

---------

"North Korea is officially an atheist state"
- World and Its Peoples: Eastern and Southern Asia

---------

"Atheism continues to be the official position of the
governments of China, North Korea and Cuba."
- The State of Religion Atlas. Simon & Schuster.



"autonomous religious activities now almost nonexistent;
government-sponsored religious groups exist to provide illusion of
religious freedom"

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html

>>>>>>>> my first posts into AA I simply asked questions and was immediately
>>>>>>>> attacked with "fuck off!" etc.,. You see AA posters with rose coloured
>>>>>>>> glasses.
>>>>>>> Can you link to these posts?

A brief history of Atheist jackal-pack witch-hunting, hypocrisy and abuse:

# From: John Baker<nu...@bizniz.net>
# Subject: Re: Atheist recants: probability of God NOT nil! Final
# opinion SOON! B^D Re: Atheist claims
# the probability of God existing is nil - IMPOSSIBLE! B^D
# Re: What IS the 'probability' of God existing? How is it calculated?
# Re: London: 'Buses carry atheist message'
# Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:52:46 -0400
# Message-ID: <ikoag4tafckddbi6a...@4ax.com>
# X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
# X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your
# complaint properly
#
#
# On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:30:37 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
# wrote:
#
# >DanielSan wrote:
# >> fasgnadh wrote:
# >>> DanielSan wrote:
# >>>> fasgnadh wrote:
# >>>>> Lou Ravi stepped up to bat for the believers in atheism:
# >>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
# >>>>>>> David Johnston wrote:
# >>>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
# >>>>>>>>> Michael Laudahn eOpposition wrote:
# >>>>>>>>>>
# >>>>>>>>>> Buses in London could soon carry the slogan
# >>>>>>>>>> "There's probably no God"
# >>>>>>>>>> as part of an atheist ad campaign.
# >>>>>
# >>>>>
# >>>>> I love it when the atheists admit that there is a
# >>>>> probability that God Exists
# >>>>> .. even if they can't calculate it.
# >>>>
# >
# >And I love it when they can't even explain on what evidence they
# >determined their belief that the probability is as any of the various
# >answers they guess at:
#
# >
# >When asked to explain HOW you determined the probability of
# >God Existing to be low, you simply claimed it's 'infinitesimal'
# >... then you claimed it was 'nil'
# >and when the consequences of that were explained to you, B^)
# >you switched back to 'there is a possibility that God Exists'.
# >
# >And in none of these cases could you provide any evidence in
# >support of your beliefs! B^D
# >
# >You really don't have much of a grasp of mathematical probability,
# >do you.
#
# Mathematical probability has nothing to do with it, halfwit.

From the outset, abu'Baker Bash'er, the Imam of Atheiston,
was a rude, abusive, anti-science bigot and knuckle-dragging thug!

A real 3-F loser: Fanatical Fundie Fuckwit!


# >>> but with no more evidence than the previous one...
# >>> merely another UNSUPPORTED OPINION! B^D
# >>
# >> Actually, it's supported.
# >
# >Great, then tell us on what basis you determined that the
# >probability of the existence of God is BOTH Zero AND
# >Non-ZERO but small! 8^o
# >
# >Does this involve Schroedinger's Cat anytime soon?
# >
# > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

My gentle wit clearly went over his head and all he
could offer was more moronic ad hom... remember, this was our
first encounter.. me being playful and asking for rational
discussion, abu'Baker being a tiresome slug:

#
# Fucking moron.


This is what passes for 'argumentation' in the Atheist NG

# >
# >[Please don't use concepts like 'The Trinity' in your
# >explanation, I don't think my sides can split any further
# >from laughing! ;-]
#
# shut the fuck up.
#
# End of story.

So there we have the classic atheist position if you

a) ask them questions which reveal their irrational beliefs
to have no evidence, and even internally contradict,
or

b) if you dare to make fun of their leaden, plodding,
sub-prime intellect! ;-)

He wants no debate, no exchange of views, you either
accept his dogma or 'shut the fuck up' and there is no
discussion with these Mad Mullahs of Materialism:

'End of Story' pffft ONLY for THEM! B^D

> Do me a favour, would you? If you're going to point out what you feel is a bad
> position of mine, could you deal with my ACTUAL position, instead of these
> straw men you keep constructing?

Priceless, I demonstrated that you have a Troll website and documented
LIES about me, I have already forced you to recant some in a debate
that established that you are a lying hypocrite.

As you merely replaced one transparent lie with another, there is no
point in pointing out all the lies that remain, it is clear that you
lie deliberately!

> Fasgnadh started posting links to pictures I had posted to twitter of friends

B^D What a weak whining HYPOCRITE you are,

You photoshopped a photo of a poster here onto another photo containing
NINE of his friends, and put it on your troll website to ethnically and
religiously vilify them, and then


And when I mocked you with photos of what a obscenely obese lardarse you
are you started crying to Felix like the WEAK HYPOCRITE I prioved you to be.

Gloves came off.. now you can bitch and moan till the cows come home,
in other threads to other people, because you are too gutless to debate
honestly.

And I will continue to post it while your PHOTOSHOPPED vilification
of Jahnu's friends continues, you pathetic whining HYPOCRITE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXH_12QWWg8

> I responded to him directly indicating this fact.

Have a cry, you PROVEN lying hypocrite, I told you your troll website
was false, you replaced one lie with anoteher and left all the other
lies in situ.

For as long as you continue to be a troll I will mock you mercilessly.

It has you running FROM ME, but bitching ABOUT ME to others everytime
you can.. so I can tell you are stung to the quick.

B^]

Why don't you write a short story about your HYPOCRITICAL WEEPING;

> After that, he continued to post the link, so I took the picture down.
> You then told him the link was dead.

I remember you taunting poor felix, who indulges your hypocritical
whining;

"Does the phrase "I should have saved a copy" ring a bell?"
- Snot the endlessly TROLLING athesit HYPOCRITE! B^D

So I rubbed your nose in it by posting a copy, so that you know
I have evidence of EVERY lie you try to cover up by altering the
evidence.

> He had obviously saved the picture
> previously, before I took it down,

Because I not only sall MY shots before sinking you,
I anticipate YOUR moves as well.

I just wanted you to understand how far ahead of you I have always been.

B^]

As i told you, I intend to do you slowly.

Stage one is complete, You challenged me to a debate,
I set the agenda and demonstarated thta Snot Balneave IS
a lying atheist hypocrite and troll.

Ever since you have been whining about me BY PROXY, like in this thread!

> in anticipation of the fact that I may take
> it down.

And to demonstrate that I can make you jump through hoops at will! B^]

Accurate rational analysis gives me a predictive capacity,
I wanted to demonstrate it, so it wasn't mistaken for the
usual BLOWHARD BULLSHIT that atheists bloviate.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

Ever since you arrived I sussed you as a troll,
thus it wasnt hard to prove it by comparing your actions in
photoshopping an individuals portrait into a group photo,
a complete FABRICATION for your troll website so you could
vilify Jahnu's FRIENDS, their religion, their ethnic and cultural
practices gratuitously

http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:jahnu

> Pretty creepy behaviour,

..and then like any common or garden variety BIGOT,
to whine hypocritically: "

"If you want to make fun of me, at least have the decency
to make fun of ME, as opposed to pictures of other people"

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

HAVE A FUCKING CRY you PISS-WEAK atheist HYPOCRITE!

"There's only one ground rule; if you're going to mock me,
then mock ME. That's all I ask."

> but then, a few minutes worth of googling will demonstrate

> that {insert hypocrites name here) has a history of this.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!

Priceless.

Boys and girls, the difference between us is simple:

I use verbatim quotes of Snot to PROVE my accusations
which I make directly to his face!

Snot creeps away and hypocritically whines his INSUNUATIONS,
SLANDER AND LIEs to some other person in some other place,
and when his concatenated lies are demolished and the
claims he based on falshoods are discredited and left dangling,
he simply replaces the old lie with the new lie and continues
the unfounded slander based on them.


Easy meat. B^]


Snot explained why atheists are such liars, hypocrites and trolls:

---------

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE


That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
declines:

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


---------

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

"Communism, of course, is an ideology, of which atheism is a part of."

- Scott Balneave explaining how atheism is part of Lenin's IDEOLOGY.


Lenin, Scott Balneave's ideological mentor, saying the same thing;

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."

-Atheist tyrant Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

Nothing has changed in violent atheist anti-theism...;

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

.. since atheist thugs terrorised, tortured and killed even the
innocent women and children of their enemy's families:

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

[Budikka666]

On Apr 6, 12:42 pm, Brother Love <clovedoc...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Budikka666
>

> Your a lier, Budda. All you have is ad hominum. The Bible has facts.

> You loose.

That would be "liar", and "lose", and "ad hominem", and Buddha - which
is not my handle, you pathetic ignoramus. The Bible has lies, and
that's what you worship.

Any time you want to find the guts to take me on formally debating
those "facts" I'm right here. Until then keep running, you worthless
chickenshit for christ.

Budikka

[fasgnadh]

>> It requires proof.

>
> Well I don't know if deities exist or not.

So you're an agnostic. Welcome!

But d'reamer and Hypatia who make these atheist statements
of unfounded opinion, or BELIEFs, NEED PROOF, and have NONE: B^]

(they are BLIND Believers ;-)

# Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers
# Date: 18 Jun 1994 10:00:03 +0100
#
# AN INTRODUCTION TO ATHEISM
#
# [i01] "What is atheism?"
#
# "atheists go further, and believe that
# particular gods do not exist."
#
# http://www.skeptictank.org/files//atheist/atheistf.htm
#
# Atheists have anti-religious anti-theist beliefs.

It's AS I SAID, atheism is a belief.. THEY JUST HAVE NO PROOF!

BUT I HAVE DELIVERED PROOF THAT **ATHEISTS ARE BELIEVERS**
and ATHEISM IS A BELIEF!!!

eg "There is no God":

http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

"There are no gods"
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg

Hedged BELIEFs:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg



>>>>>>> The theist position is that "we believe there is a God".
>>
>> Theists have always said that, it's called Faith.
>>
>> But the problem for atheists is they CLAIM to be Rational,
>> and so their ATHEIST BELIEFS require PROOF..

They are BLIND BELIEVERS, even MORE blind than theists,
bcause it is a logical IMPOSSIBILITY to prove that
deities do not exist, while the success of religious
societies, outperforming all the old pagan and barbarian
ones, and the atheist tyrannies, is evidence for their superior
values, and thus for their claims re the divine origin of
those values.

Ergo the theists have more rational basis, in logical
argument and historical evidence for their faith than
atheists have for their belief that there is no God.

Success counts, and no atheist state qualifies on that basis. B^]

>>>>>>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who

>>>>>>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>>>>
>>>> The statement that is it a fact, is implicit when they talk about it
>>>> as if it were real.
>>
>> and atheists do that FREQUENTLY:
>>
>> Atheist clothing There is no God
>>
>> http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html
>>
>> LA no gods
>> http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg
>>
>> When they want to pretend an aura of 'Science' about THEIR
>> unproven beliefs, they pretend they have calculated probability:
>> "Probably no Gods"
>> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg
>>
>>
>> But here we have atheists acknowledging and welcoming a fellow
>> ATHEIST BELIEVER.. because NONE of them have PROOF for their
>> UNFOUNDED BELIEF! B^]
>>
>> Q.E.D.

>>
>>>>>>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>>>>>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!
>>

>> Where is the proof for the claim you just accepted as ATHEIST BELIEF! B^]

>>
>>>>>>>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
>>>>>>>> merely the lack of belief in a God,
>>>>>>>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF
>>>>

>>>> But then he knows this because it has been pointed out to him every
>>>> time he has repeated this

>>>>
>>>>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist,
>>>>>>>> even if
>>>>>>>> they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>

>> Why can't the atheists simply admit they have no more proof, even less
>> EVIDENCE, for THEIR beliefs than the theists do!!!! B^D
>>
>>>> But they don't have the honesty to do that, and it would reduce the
>>>> impact of what they insist on telling us.
>>
>> That is true, and providees more proof for Snot Balneave's thesis
>> about atheists;

[fasgnadh]

casey snips the evidence, demonstrating the tactics I describe below:
> On 31/03/2013 11:10 AM, fasgnadh wrote:

<unsnip>

>> As No atheist has any proof for the atheist Beliefs I have documented
>> in this thread, and that is clear to all rational readers,
>> I want to take some time out to document in detail how atheist
>> trolls work to evade issues where their irrationality has been proven.
>>
>> I will demonstrate the following propositions;
>>
>> a) Atheist's debate some of those they label as trolls, only if those they
>> label can assist the atheists in CHANGING THE SUBJECT in a thread,
>> allowing the atheists to SNIP AND RUN from the topic,
>> because the atheists are the trolls.
>>
>> b) Those who the atheists brand as trolls, but whom who they refuse to
>> debate are the ones they fear most.

That would be me. B^]

>> c) Once you understand the dynamics of these anti-intellectual atheist
>> trolls you can avoid their dishonest Snip and Run tactics:

this thread illustrates all of these propositions precisely as I
described/predicted them! 8^o

>> d) As this entire thread shows, the atheists must first have a stooge
>> to remove the ENTIRE topic, and

Go back to casey's previous post to see how thouroughly he excised
all of the substance. B^]

>> e) place an entirely IRRELEVANT diversion to:
>>
>> 1. SNIP and run from the topic as soon as they can and
>>
>> 2. Insert an irrelevant and provocative Trolling statement
>> as a distraction from the topic they cannot debate.

Casey's original diversion was the one Marked [2] below

In his next post he snipped everything and left his
next irrelevant non sequitur at [2a]

>> The irrelevance will provoke a theist to respond, and
>> the atheists have now Hi-jacked the subject and can
>> return to SCRIPT.

>> In this thread that hijacking was carried out by Casey,
>> you don't need to be bright to be an atheist stooge, you
>> just FOLLOW THE TIMEWORN SCRIPT. yawn

Once the discussion sabouteur had done their work, there are
half a dozen atheist responses, all COMPLETELY IGNORING
the topic, all incestuously agreeing with each others alternately
trite or snide irrelevancies. B^p

>> 3. You can tell if this has worked if the SUBJECT no longer
>> matches the discussion.

as is the case from Casy's post, via d'Reamer, wanksalone and Don Martin
to the end of the subthread! All they attempt to do is
slander the poster whose post they cannot refute, and so did not even
attempt to discuss.

They are intellectually bankrupt atheist propaganda tools. B^]

>> At that point you are wasting your time reading the thread,
>> it has become like EVERY OTHER THREAD a pointless metaphysical
>> debate between two groups of fundies with fixed positions and
>> NO PROOF for their repsective beliefs, although the theists,
>> if they are any good, have whole civilisations worth of
>> HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that their beliefs are more useful to
>> humans than the atheist ideology, as actualised in the
>> atheist states Snot Balneave describes as 'evil abominations'
>
or, in this variation (an even greater waste of time) ONLY
atheists, reciting their set piece whining about process
and bitchy flames about style, not substance.

>> Atheists, you will soon discover, DESPISE RATIONAL DEBATE.
>>
>> This topic is a classic, it is ENTIRELY about ATHEISM,
>> quotes only ATHEISTS as evidence of their beliefs and
>> the very first atheist poster SNIPS IT ALL and initiates
>> the same deadly distraction and diversion into dismally
>> degraded dogma that we see every BORING FUCKING DAY
>> from the MINDLESS Atheist BORG!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Father Haskell and all the other atheist tools join in:
>>> Joe Bruno bites:
>>>> casey snips the evidence and initiates step One:
>>>>> On Mar 30, 9:55 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> <UNSNIP>
>>
>> Let the light of day shine in upon the alt.atheism CESSPIT
>> of tiny minds, of shriveled intellects, of sad worn-out dogma,
>> trotted out by wrote as soon as they can BURY any intelelctual
>> cjallenges to their IRRATIONAL ENTRENCHED BELIEFS:
>>
>> Have a nice day, you tools, you are EXACT REPLICANTS of your
>> atheist ANCESTORS:
>>
>> http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG

Every atheist posting after casey snipped all the substantive rational
discussion, SAY NOTHING about the topic, and merely engage in
set piece exchange of atheist platitudes, and meta-whining about
posting style (in lieu of substance) or crossposting, or post length, or
having their nails done.. ANYTHING they can pointlessly and tiresomely
bitch about rather than DISCUSS THE ISSUES!!! pfffft!


I think they are all dopers, the permanently unemployed, aged and
infirm, or knuckle dragging 'tards.

>>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>>>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?

>>>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>

>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>

>> You can see why the atheists wanted to get rid of this Prelude,
>> it shows that ANYONE with a sock can add to the Atheist LIST,
>> as often as they care to! B^D
>>
>> They claim over 2300, HOW MANY ARE STILL ACTIVE!? B^D
>>
>> I count a few DOZEN irregular visitors and less regulars.
>>
>> I have posted the NG stats PROVING their decline,
>>
>> and PREDICTED the DEATH of alt.atheism.moderated which died
>> of BOREDOM, because even the atheists realised that atheism
>> HAS NOTHING TO SAY!
>>
>> Anyone heard of the Soviet Show Trials?
>>
>> Kangaroo Courts, they were set ups, complete Propaganda shams.
>>
>> Here's the scenario:
>>
>> There have been no atheist conversions online since Noah
>> was a boy!
>> Hypatia and Snot have pumped up the corpse of an old website,
>> which like their FAQ, AQOTM etc had been abandoned due to DISINTEREST.
>>
>> It's easy to build a website, you don't need more than one person,
>> and it looks as if something is going on. It doesn't require the
>> active membership which ALT.ATHEISM.MODERATED DEMONSTRATED DOES NOT
>> EXIST!!!!
>>
>> Capice? B^]
>>
>> Along comes Dreamer, a 47 year old, self proclaimed newbie atheist,
>> he posts for a few days then applies for BAAWA membership.
>>
>> But, as most atheists are not big on thinking, he over-reaches
>> and declares his ATHEIST BELIEFS.. something all the old hands
>> refuse to do, because then they NEED PROOF, so they have this
>> lie that "atheism is nothing but non-belief"
>>
>> It makes them a small target, they can't be asked to DO anything,
>>
>>
>> Of course it's ALL PR BULLSHIT, they put their beliefs out on the
>> sides of Buses on t-Shirts on all their public campaigns:
>>
>> "There is no God" is an ATHEIST BELIEF!

>>
>> http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html
>>
>> LA Public Declaration - No Gods:
>> http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg
>>

>> Probably no Gods
>> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg
>>
>>

>> Dawkins wanted "There is no God" But was talked into copying a BEER

>> AD because it might sell better, and they added "Probably"
>>
>> But they still can't show any mathematical basis for the PROBABILITY
>> of their belief! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA
>>
>> And of course the HISTORICAL REALITY of atheism is violent anti-theism;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>

>> So it is rare for them to admit their beliefs and ahve them endorsed
>> by the GateKeeper of the Atheist List of Imaginary Members:

>>
>>
>>>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>

>> And That is what they are now SNIPPING AND RUNNING FROM
>> like chooks with their heads cut off.

>>
>>>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>>>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>>

>> Now if you want to see the atheist SHUT THE FUCK UP AND RUN AWAY
>> STICKING THEIR HEADS UP EACH OTHER'S ARSES, OR THEIR OWN, TO AVOID
>> SEEING THE TRUTH, then just learn the Golden rule of how atheists
>> mass-Debate: LOOK AT WHAT THEY SNIP, and what they replace it with
>> and do not allow them to CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
>>
>> Because they are, slimy, dishonest, lying, evil fucktards,
>> and their current spokes-Orc a proven lying hypocrite himself, admits;

>>
>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>

>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>
>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.
>>
>> So having snipped all the EVIDENCE showing the ATHEIST BELIEF,
>> casey groundshifts, one of the oldest, most dishonest tools
>> in rank rhetorical deception, BELOVED of slimy politicians,
>> and replaces the subject with a distraction:

[2a]

> Well that is your perception.

No, it is an accurate description of how you snipped, TWICE,
ALL the substantive argument from the <unsnip> and the beginning
of my post.. illustrating that, as I described, you SNIPPED and RAN
from the argument and placed your irrelevant distraction so that
atheists could post to complete the shift-ground via this irrelevant non
sequitur:

[2]

>>>>> To demonstrate the theist belief statement is true,
>>

>> Stop trying to change the subject!

Having replaced all the substantive discussion with your
change to an irrelevancy, if you look at the chain of atheists
which followed in this thread, all furiously agreeing with
each other, none of them are engaged in discussion of the topic, they
are just re-inforcing each others prejudices and blathering!

Which is exactly what I described at the beginning of my post when I
said "I will demonstrate the following propositions" and described
how atheists work as a group to SNIP and RUN from the substantive
issues and demonstrate how they fear genuine rational debate.

Q.E.D.

> I have just found this thread of 22 posts.

tell someone who cares about your inability to
find your way around USENET.

> Google only allows 5 cross posts

So you live with a piss-poor version of USENET?

Whose problem is that?

Get a job and buy access to a decent newsreader! B^D

And because you can't appropriately link to say religious
NGs alt.religion, alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.Islam
alt.talk.creationism AND alt.atheism, talk.atheism,
alt.agnosticism AND philosophy AND politics
because the thread is about HOW athesit trolls use devious tactics
logical fallicies, intellectual thuggery to subvert discussion about
ATHEIST states and their ANTi-theism .. thus being relevant to EVERY
ONE of the threads mentioned.. you want to LIMIT how otherscan post
to fit YORU OWN INADEQUATE Internet tools, comprehension of the subject
domains, and lack of understanding of or interest in the topic...

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH

Look Sonny Jim, it's CLEAR none of you can keep up, you are all
forth rate intellects used to jabbering with religious fundies
where all you have to do is DEMAND they PROVE GOD!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA!

Priceless!

> so it is possible my posts went nowhere.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA

Your posts went nowhere when you were writing THEM!

That's because you SNIP ALL THE DISCUSSION that does not
fit your tiny shriveled atheist worldview!

None of you are interested in the spark of enlightenment
that can come from the clash of differing perspectives,
you all just SHUT DOWN original ideas, filter out any
meaningful discussion with UNLIKE minded people and fresh ideas,
and trudge your old worn paths of slogan chanting, preset
scripts and dull conformity.

just like your intellectual precursors:


http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG

> I actually assumed you
> had decided not to respond to my last post which I can't
> find in this thread.

Why do you think I or anyone else is interested in your
irrelevant apologia? I'm not your mummy.
I can't help it if you can't finds posts, and yet
stupidly contradict yourself telling us you snip content
because anyone can go back through the thread and read the earlier
posts.. except you cant find them, but you insist WE should, but you
can't find them..but you... until you are going in illogical circles
faster and faster till you disappear up your own vortex!

BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAA

> The reason I snip is because I find it BORING to read
> or have to scroll through your copy and paste mantra.

when you can so easily NOT find the previous posts to read
back in the thread.. we KNOW, you have already TOLD US THIS JOKE!

B^D

And the virtue you see in your combined incompetence and unwarranted net
nazi nagging.. apart from CONTINUING your deliberate diversion
FROM THE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION?

It's a TEXT medium, I could post a Novella and it would download
faster than just ONE image from your nightly porn trawl! B^D

I have come to the conclusion that atheists can't read anything longer
or more complax that a COMIC. B^D

Too intellectually demanding for you. B^p

> Also I assume the previous posts was read first so
> I only keep what I am responding to.

You realise I am only bothering with you whining pointlessly
this once, so that I can detail the atheist tactics I describe
above ONCE, and then re=fer to it by message number on the
THOUSANDS of occasions you atheist stooges REPEAT THE SAME
TIRESOME TWADDLE!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA

The reason I have an immense catqalogue of atheist posts,
accessible by subject, author or logical fallacy is to
avoid the overheads or re-inventing the whell EVERY TIME
you predictable drones REPEATS the same tired tactic, lame
strawman, logical fallacy, atheist belief, or Snip'n'run!

You Borg have such a limited repetoire! B^]

> Why do you cross post to so many groups??

I have alreasy explained that above, and you have already
admiotted that you are forced to trim because of the limitations
GOOGLE imposes, not any rational virtue you have elaborated!

So fuck off you witless poltroon! USENET was DESIGNED to support
CROSS-POSTING for PRECISELY the circumstances I have described for using it.

Knowledge is HOLISTIC, the topic I focus on -ATHEIST STATES-, including
their anti-theism, propaganda, the apologia atheists run to defend
the atheist tyrannies by pretending atheistic communism was not
atheist, is RELEVANT to atheism, the religions they persecuted,
agnostics they slander and try to co-opt, lying that they are
just atheists who won't admit it or somesuch patronising BULLSHIT,
and the history and politics of the USSR, China and Nth korea.

So I actually should include history News groups.. thanks for
bringing that to my attention.

Now the reason you all WHINE like stuck Pigs, (I can hear Snot salivatin
;-) is that your inadequate USENET interfaces, because you are all
atheists, and thus unsuccessful and impoverished and cannot afford ultra
Highspeed broadband and a sophisticated newsreader..
is that you can't respond to all the NGs that witness your inadequacies,
and so my views propagate where it matters, further
and faster than all of yours.

B^]

I did tell you hopeless, knuckle dragging twats that I am not here
with any false impression that any of YOU are capable of learning
from examples of closely argued, rational discourse, substantiated
with properly cited evidence from peer reviewed historical sources,
not when your prejudices and dogmas, your hubris and narcissism
are SO WELL ENTRENCHED.. I just regard you as teaching tools. B^]

When others see you are incapable, even en masse, of understanding,
let alone refuting my arguments, atheism is discredited in their eyes.

I don't want young people who wander into USENET to be seduced by your
facile nonsense, nor does ANYONE who understands how deadly and
corrosive the dismal atheist tyrannies were - the USSR, decades after
the overthrow of debilitating atheist tyranny, is still a deeply
shattered society, brutal , crudely materialistic, exploitative,
lacking in Spiritual values and simple decency.

I'll be fucked if I will let that Nihilist disease devour any more
susceptible young minds.

>> Face the FACTS about atheist LIES and DELUSIONS AND HYPOCRISY:

>>
>>>>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>>>>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>>>>>>

>>>>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>>>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!
>>>>>>

>>>>>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
>>>>>> merely the lack of belief in a God,
>>>>>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF
>>>

>>> No. It's called lying.
>>
>> Agreed. The atheists KNOW they have no proof, not even the vast
>> circumstantial evidence for religious beliefs that History provides,
>> they are deliberately pretending a knowledge they do no, and cannot
>> logically have.

>>
>>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist,
>>>>>> even if
>>>>>> they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>>>>>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>>>>>

>>>>>> - Scott Balneave, cited from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But he STILL has no PROOF, only personal experience, apparently.

[fasgnadh]

On 5/04/2013 4:12 AM, Irreverend Dave wrote:

>>
>> Why do you cross post to so many groups??
>>
>
> That's what real kooks and trolls do.

List the ng's that were not legitimate for the content
discussing the history of Atheist states, secular states established by
MAJORITY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES,(atheist NGs political NGs religious NGs),
their anti-theism (religious NG's) the nature of atheist beliefs,
ideology, the logical fallacies, non sequiturs, sophistry, propaganda
dishonest rhetoric (ethics philosophy) .. need i go on?

I know exactly what I am doing, and you have to answer 2 questions.

1. Why do you think USENET WAS DELIBERATELY CONSTRUCTED to SUPPORT
support CROSS-POSTING to RELEVANT NGS, if not because knowledge
is HOLISTIC and interrelated, and crossposting is legitimate.

2. Why when I use the designed features AS they are intended and you
whining little bitches pretend there is some virtue to YOUR
x-posting when it is not chosen on the logical and valid basis
mine are, but on simply imitating my NG list, unless it is
restricted by limitations because you are dumbfuck yokels who
are permanent residents of USENET becasue you can't get jobs,
or off drugs, or find a purpose, and can't afford HS broadband
and a decent newsreader!

It's not my fault I have 100 Mbps to the house and effective 64 MBps
wireless because I am extremely successful and well off!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAA

It's just TEXT, you could download WAR AND PEACE faster than
you retreive your nightly porn fest! B^D

IS there anything else you weak pricks can find to WHINE about
because you can't even GRASP the substance of the argument,
let alone debate it, let alone refute it! B^]

Spelling or layout flames? Line spacing!? Font flame?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

Game, Set, Match!


--

[fasgnadh]

On 4/04/2013 12:55 AM, sbalneav wrote:

>
> A secular organization IS an atheist organization.

So you conflate secular with atheist.

So tell us your latest definition of atheism:

> No belief in God is required.

So I could have a belief in God and be an atheist,
it's just not required!?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

The US government is secular, it incorporates the separation
of church and state, and makes no laws favouring one religion over
another or establishing one as part of government.


But is is not atheist. Like all the free, open progressive
secular democracies it was created by a majority religious society,
not by atheists, who have never managed a secular democracy, or ANY
democracy in ANY of their states, they were all tyrannies/

The vast majority of members of the US government, House and Senate,
(and President as well), are religious believers, not atheists.

Are there any atheists in Congress at all? How many?

Why do you atheists feel compelled to LIE and claim groups of people who
REJECT your attempts to force atheist affilliations DOWN
THEIR THROIATS even after they have told you they are are NOT atheists?

Can't get over your natural atheist totalitarian tendencies? B^]

Atheists are frequently caught out FALSELY claiming that we agnostics
are atheists, even after they are told by prominent scientists like
Neil de Grassi Tyson that he is an agnostic, NOT an atheist and they
contine to DELIBERATELY LIE about him: 8^o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos



No wonder atheists are the most despised cult in America:

# Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"

# - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
#
# "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota

# found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�

#
# "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
# university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
# below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and

# other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
# American society.�

#
# Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
# least willing to allow their children to marry.
#
# Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
# organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
# they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
# by a large portion of the American public.
#

# Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with

# an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
# behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
#
# Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
# social disorder is behind the findings.

# �Americans believe they share more than rules and
# procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
# understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our

# findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
# self-interested individuals who are not concerned

# with the common good.�

Snot explains why atheists are despised:

[fasgnadh]

Bukakke snipped and ran, as usual, but still confirmed CREATION: B^D
>
> [snipped


<unsnip>

> On 2/04/2013 11:48 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>
> This is what you see when you open Bukakke's post:

# >> On 2/04/2013 8:43 AM, Budikka666 wrote:
# >>> Budikka writes:
# >>>> On Mar 30, 9:55 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# >>>>> [...]
# >>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true, you need to
prove
# >>>>> that no deities exist.
# >>>
# >>>> To demonstrate the theist belief statement is true, you need to prove
# >>>> that deities exist.
# >>>
# >>> LIE.

>>
>> That is a complete FABRICATION by Casey and Bukakke! B^D
>>
>> Incredibly, according to BUKAKKE'S falsified attributions he is
>> calling HIMSELF a LIAR!
>>
>> Inadvertently he has, for once in his life TOLD THE TRUTH!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>>
>> The words Bukakke falsely attributes to himself are actually Casey's!!!
>> Bukakke has surreptitiously removed Casey from the attributions.
>>
>> Budikkka666 typed over Casey's name, replacing it with his own,
>> Budikkka, when he responded to Casey's post!
>>
>> But you have to agree with the end result.. Bukakke *IS* a LIAR!
>>
>>> don't take my word for it.
>>
>> Normally no one does, but in this case you inadvertantly
>> got it right! it was a lie for you to claim Casey's weak
>> attempt to change the subject as your own, by falsifying
>> the atributions!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAA
>>
>> Otherwise it's the typical atheist Snip'n'Run Tag-Team, Casey had
>> snipped all the evidence showing atheist belief statements requiring
>> proof, and Bukakke, being a lying atheist shitpig, and gutless coward,
>> can't argue the substance, so he needs his crony to SNIP ALL THE
>> EVIDENCE before he crudely SHIFTS GROUND to his Id�e fixe!! 8^o
>>
>> Here's what the original subject was before Casey and Bukakke,
>> working together in the usual atheist tag-team of tiresome twats
>> RAN AWAY FROM THE DEBATE.. AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Casey snipped the entire subject and posted an IRRELEVANT strawman
>>
>> <unsnip>

>>
>>>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
>>>>>

>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>>>
>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>>>> #
>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>>> # >
>>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>>> # >
>>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>>
>>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>>
>>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>>>

>>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>>> # >
>>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>>>

>>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof,it is just a belief

You can see why Bukakke and Casey REMOVED the evidence of ATHEISTS
making a belief claim (one without PROOF) about deities!

>>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>
>>

>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
>> # The Age 29/1/2009
>>
>>

>> http://firstchurchofatheism.com/ B^D
>>
>> Bukakke is their altar boy;
>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>
>>
>> High Priest of Atheism:
>>
>> # Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that

>> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>> #

>> # "It�s very important to understand that these Gods

>> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
>> # incremental evolution."'
>> #
>> #
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
>>
>>

>>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>>>>>

>>>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>>>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>>>>>
>>>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!

Casey and Bukakke REMOVED the evidence of acceptance on the
OFFICIAL USENET ATHEIST LIST being based on ATHEIST BELIEFS,
making a claim, without PROOF, about no deities existing!

>> As an agnostic I KNOW that it is logically impossible to prove
>> the NON-existance of something.
>>
>> The knuckle-dragging atheists clearly don't understand formal logic.
>>
>> SO WHY DO LYING IRRATIONAL ATHEIST BELIEVERS HOLD SUCH INANE BELIEFS?
>>
>> And why do they SNIP and run as Casey and Bukakke just demonstrtated,
>> when asked for EVIDENCE????
>>
>> The answer is below: both, as in common with many atheists, are
>> trolls with an Id�e fixe:
>>
>>> *You* are going to prove my point to your readers.
>>
>> No, I have just proved MY point about atheist beliefs, all you have
>> done is participate in the USUAL atheist SNIP AND RUN FROM THE SUBJECT!
>>
>>
>> Just like you have done in the past, numerous times:
>>
>> # Subject: Atheist admits their murder of a 13 year old,
>> # claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
>> # was Re: Atheist infanticide -
>> # "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
>> # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
>> # uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
>> # alt.politics.republicans
>> # Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
>> # Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
>>
>>
>>
>> I challenged you for EVIDENCE, and you have been running EVER SINCE,
>> (gutlessly slandering me on the quiet in lies like this one I have
>> caught you telling)
>>
>> Bukakke, still running since 2009! B^D
>>
>> Runaway chicken!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE

AND YOU HAVE NOT DISSAPOINTED AGAIN,
as i PREDICTED, Bukakke has simply cut and run from the
evidence AGAIN:

>>
>> # Subject: Why does this Lunatic Bukakke think everyone who contests
>> # her idiocy is a 'Creationist'? viz "The Endless Fatal COWARDICE of
>> # Creationists" - Bukakke, still running since 2009! B^D
>> # From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> # alt.atheism.satire,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion,alt.philosophy,
>> # aus.politics,uk.politics.misc
>> # Message-ID: <MMLhr.5693$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
>> # Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:00:20 +1000
>> #
>> #
>> # Budikka666 changed the subject, as usual, and RAN:
>> #
>> # > Fasghnad RAN:
>> # > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread#
>> /58c9df7a83bdd7e3?scoring=d&
>>
>> # That's the START of a thread about ATHEISM created by ME,
>> # you raving lunatic! [reproduced below]
>> #
>> # It had NOTHING to do with "Creationism", something you appear to be
>> # OBSESSED with to the exclusion of all other aspects of REALITY! B^p
>> #
>> # How can anyone 'run away' by STARTING a thread!???
>> #
>> # BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
>> #
>> # YOU RAN from the topic, stamped your hoof hysterically, and
>> # demanded I debate SOME OTHER topic with you! B^D
>> #
>> # Priceless!
>>
>>
>> And you have ALREADY proved my point about atheists SNIPPING AND RUNNING
>> from the EVIDENCE about atheism AGAIN, IN *THIS* THREAD!!!
>>
>> Why, given that you are such a pathetic, irrational, ranting
>> lightweight, do you continue to humiliate yourself in public? B^D

Demonstrating that behaviour AGAIN does not really ANSWER the question,
it merely confirms it as an accurate assessment of Bukakke's
inability to debate!

Fortunately I anticipated this and the ANSWER is CONFIRMED by
Bukakke's Snip and Run non-response;

>> A: Single Issue atheist troll obsessed with your Id�e fixe! B^]
>>
>> If you make it so EASY for me to continually kick your arse up and
>> down USENET I will have to stop talking to you altogether, lest
>> people accuse me of being CRUEL for beating up on a 'tard!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

I formally give notice that Bukakke was warned, I am no longer
rsponsible for any of his further decline into madness and
incoherent rage! B^]


>>> Please present right here your *positive* *scientific* evidence
>>
>> I did, according to YOUR reply YOU snipped it and TRIED TO CHANGE THE
>> Subject!!!! But a cursory investigation shows your usual DISHONESTY
>> and POST FORGING, you altered the attributions and it was CASEY
>> who snipped and replaced the SUBJECT with your atheist STRAWMAN..
>> NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC YOU ATHEISTS CAN'T DEBATE: ATHEISM!
>>
>> YOU ARE BOTH SINGLE ISSUE TROLLS!!!!!
>>
>> Get over yourselves you fucking lunatic TROLLS! you can't come into
>> EVERY thread, excise the subject you CAN'T EVER DEAL WITH- the EVIDENCE
>> for the REALITY of atheism - and try and run your single issue,
>> anti-theist, RANTS instead of the TOPIC!!!!!
>>
>> B^D
>>
>> Now I could just tell you to FUCK OFF and get a clue,
>>
>> YOU have shown ONCE AGAIN, that you SNIP and RUN from MY DEBATES!
>>
>> But it is always instructive to examine your Idea fixe and to
>> demonstrate just what a SINGLE ISSUE TROLL BUKAKKE IS!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAA
>>
>> So let's look at you rant as a zoologist examines anumal dung,
>> to see what it tells us about the animal:
>>
>> You are merely providing EVIDENCE for Snot Balneaves claim:
>>
>> " every ... �atheist society� has been an

>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>

>> - Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE;
>>
>> Certinly true for every atheist STATE, atheists in USENET, atheistnexus,
>> alt.atheism.Borg, BAAWA, The atheist LEague of the Militant Godless, etc
>> etc ..but EVERY atheist group on the planet?
>>
>> Where's the PROOF?
>>
>> We have seen Bukakke can't deal with subject - unproven atheist beleifs,
>> so what is he stamping his widdle hoof, pouting his rouged
>> lips, and flouncing his pretty little pink floral frock over?
>>
>> His atheist troll single issue RANT, his Id�e fixe:
>>
>>> a creator or for a creation.
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
>>
>> Are you still running that tired old Schtick!
>>
>> Man, are you ever FIXED in your Id�e fixe, single issue TROLLING!!!
>>
>> I have TOLD you, EVERYONE KNOWS, that I am an agnostic, not a Christian,
>> certainly not a fundie Creationist!
>>
>> I have told you that I ENCOURAGE you following, without his originality,
>> perpicacity, insight, intelligence or convincing readibility, in the
>> footsteps of Shelby Spong, who examined the problems with fundie
>> literalism way before and much better than you atheist imitators.
>> That is after all how religious understanding has EVOLVED, and I
>> have said you perform a minor public service in dealing with with
>> the remnant of more primitive forms of theism, because
>> a) someone needs to continue pointing out the inadequacies of
>> old style fundie literalism and
>> b) who better than a fundie atheist with a matching IQ, and an Id�e fixe
>> that will keep them slogging away with like minded morons for ever!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
>> Let me show you WHY you are the fundie's DOPPLEGANGER, their TWIN:
>>
>> It won't take long, your simple minded idiocy, logical fallacies
>> and intellectual dishonesty are glaringly obvious:
>>
>>> When you fail with that,
>>
>> That is the logical fallacy of Begging the question.
>>
>> It shows you BELEIVE rather than think.
>>
>> What makes you beleive you can predict the future?
>>
>> You never have in the past! And you have already failed again!
>>
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>> Your next failure is more sinister and damning, bare faced LYING;

Here is where the floor is, once again, wiped with Bukakke:


>>> as you creationists
>>
>> I'm not a creationist, (If you mean it in the obvious sense;
>> referring to those who believe in "Creation Science" and a
>> literal acceptance of the Creation story in the Bible)
>>
>> I am a creator/ creationist in that I have created, (children,
>> for example, a home, co-created a community, stories, songs,
>> sculptures, poetry, this post eviscerating your fundie atheist
>> Id�e fixe trolling..
>>
>> and a creationist in the sense that I believe creative work is
>> the highest form of human activity, be it a physical object,
>> intense pleasure in a loved one, a business enterprise, a sublime
>> poem, a tree-house for my children, a community, a free open
>> progressive secular democracy such as MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies
>> have created, but atheist states NEVER achieved.
>>
>> If you wish to discuss ANY of these forms of creation and creativity
>> I am happy to oblige, but I doubt you have the wit, intelleigence or
>> sufficient will to achieve escape velocity from the gravity of your
>> Jupiter sized Id�e fixe..
>>
>> So go play with the infants in the shallow end..
>>
>> reality is way to deep for you, child.

No wonder Bukakke snipped and ran, with NOTHING left to say! B^]

This is a COMPLETE ROUT for the poor fucktard: B^D

>>> present your *independent* *objective* evidence *for* a creator
>>
>> Too easy, I could link to pics of my children, but who would expose
>> them to stalking by a lunatic bitch like you?
>>
>>
>> So, Here is all I need to show you how your INSANE DELUSIONS distort
>> your thinking, how the MASSIVE GRAVITY of your Id�e fixe warps
>> everything you say and do, every interraction you have, just as Jupiter
>> rips, twists and tears the surface of it's moons:
>>
>>
>> This post was created by me, I am it's creator.
>>
>> Q.E.D.

It's the elegance of the proof which is so appealing! B^]

>> Time for Bukakke to gutless lying atheist troll to FUCK OFF, again! B^]
>>
>>> or for a creation.
>>
>> your stupid post was YOUR creation.
>>
>> Don't you feel STUPID to be humiliated by your OWN creation?
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

Priceless!

A moment to treasure forever! B^D

>>> When you fail with that,
>>
>> Didn't I teach you that Begging the question is rhethorical RUBBISH!
>>
>> Now you just MORE stupid for being WRONG AGAIN!
>>
>> EVERY FUCKING SENTENCE YOU WROTE HAS BEEn EVISCERATED,
>> DEMONSTRATING WHAT A TOTAL ***FUCKTARD*** YOu ARE!
>

To the victor, the spoils, and Bukakke is as spoiled as
a rotting carcass can get! ;-)

>> followed by a your oft repeated, pathologically obsessive LIES;
>>
>>> as you creationists
>>
>> Can't you atheists even CO-ORDINATE your CONTRADICTORY lies about me!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>>
>> Go stand with the other STUPID SLANDERING atheist liars
>> who ritually humiliate themselves on the altar of atheist BS;
>>
>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>
>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> #
>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>
>>
>>
>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
>> # Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> #
>> # fasgnadh is an atheist.
>>
>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
>> # Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> #
>> # Oh look!
>> #
>> # It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!
>>
>>
>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
>>
>> # Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
>> # Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> #
>> # fasgnadh is still an atheist, and the poor thing still refuses to
>> admit it.
>>
>>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
>> # Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
>> # Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
>> # demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
>> # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
>> #Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>
>> #
>> # On 31 Mrz., 22:54, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> # > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
>> #
>> # Fagsnag
>> #
>> # he's a closet theist.
>>
>>
>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> #
>> # fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?
>>
>> Because, unlike you I'm not a congenital liar, B^]
>>
>> and besides, people are paying me to goad you into yet another
>> of your endless cycles of stupidity! B^D
>>
>> And because you are my little bitch, I'm MAKING A FORTUNE: B^D
>>
>>
>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Re: Olrik demonstrates that fasgnadh is an atheist...
>> # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:56:07 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <kd5btj$cjd$1...@dont-email.me>
>> #
>> # By asking fasgnadh:
>> #
>> # �fasgnadh�, do you believe in God?
>> #
>> # Let's see how it goes.
>> #
>> # <snip relentless assault on bandwidth>
>>
>> One atheist tried to warn Olrik the Unworthy
>> that he was making a fool of himself, but he's too
>> foolish to listen:
>>
>> # From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
>> # alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
>> # uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
>> # Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
>> the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism! B^D
>> # Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # > Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
>> #
>> # Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
>> # to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
>> # peoples buttons.
>>
>> Olriks button requires hardly any effort:
>>
>> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9tsuLU0jfPU/S_vwUo7hMeI/AAAAAAAAAEY/RonfSYNOVbw/s1600/easy-button.jpg

Superior logic and rational analysis of ALL the data provides
me with a predictive capacity that puts Bukakke at a disadvantage;

>> Any monent now Bukakke will beg for mercy, weep and then ABANDON
>> THE FIELD.. again!

As I prophesied, so it WAS! B^D


>>> please
>>
>> So, my other little atheist bitch, what are you begging for now?
>>
>>
>>> present your *intelligent* *rationale* for a creator or for a
>>> creation.

I did both, with consummate ease: B^D

>> If you have read this far, you have seen the powerful argument I
>> have created.
>>
>> I am the creator of that argument, it is my creation.
>>
>> You may confirm the EVIDENCE by responding to this post. B^]

And Bukakke CONFIRMED IT!

>> Q.E.D.
>>
>> You are merely roadkill on the journey!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA

No wonder Bukakke snipped and ran from the argument AGAIN!!! B^D

He alwaus done, then having abandoned the field, defeated,
eviscerated and humiliated.. he snips ALL the evidence
and posts his UNFOUNDED ATHEIST BELIEF that he has won
by falsely claiming I ran! Priceless!

There is no limit to that ranting bitch's INSANITY! B^]


>> Would you like a blade to committ ritual seppukku after your
>> ritual self-humiliation?
>>
>>
>>
>> When you RUN from my challenge, as you inevitably do, you will,
>> yourself, without any effort from me, prove that you are a liar, a
>> coward, and a
>> vacuous hypocrite - as you atheists invariably do.


So, you poor defeated wretch, having confirmed my
role as creator and my creation by creating your own
response, and snipped the evidence as you ran screaming
from the field, dissolving into nothing like the Wicked Witch
in Wizard of Oz, what can you possibly have to say after
experiencing such a devastating and humiliationg ROUT;


> juvneile insanity]

Ok, get on with it, and keep it brief, I have an appointment
with someone capable of rational debate;

> The bare FACT remains that i challenged you, and have challengled you
> repeatedly, and YOU

provided evidence of my creation and my role as creator,
and even had you CREATE a response to confirm it was kosher..

and then you snipped it all and

> RAN like the stinking diarrhea

Like you did every otehr time in the past,

and you haven't stopped running

What else can you do?



> Keep running,

You do realise how that makes you look?

> worthless pile of chickenshit creationist trash.

Well it is a well deserved self-assessment and I am proud
that I not only proved who east it is for a creative person to create,
and get a worthless pile of chickenshit to do so in reply,
and at the same time as i met every requirement of the challenge
you set I also enhanced your self-awarenes!!

A TOUR de FORCE! A veritable Magnum Opus!

One for the Archive!

And lest people think my head is swelling due to such a complete
triumph, it is not that I think I am such a genius, but that
you make any opponent look like one in comparison to your
own pitifully meagre intellect!


> Budikka

The most ineffective atheist troll in USENET! B^D



--

[fasgnadh]

On 1/04/2013 1:48 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
> On 1/04/2013 1:38 AM, fasgnadh wrote:

>> On 31/03/2013 3:47 AM, Thrinaxodon wrote:
>>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>>> #
>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>> # >
>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>> # >
>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>
>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>
>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>>
>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>> # >
>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>>

>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief

>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>>>

>>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>>>>
>>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who
>>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>>>>
>>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!
>>>>

>>>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
>>>> merely the lack of belief in a God,
>>>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist, even if
>>>> they
>>>> have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>>

>>> Atheists don't try to disprove the existence of any god!
>>
>> So you are arguing that the atheists claiming above
>> that 'no deities exist', without proof, are
>>
>> 1. Not atheists
>>
>> 2. Atheists making a claim with no proof - i.e. believers
>>
>> 3. Atheists who know there is no proof for their claim that
>> there is no God, and so don't even try?
>
> Clearly

Begging the question!

A logical fallacy at the start? Not a good sign! B^]

> they are merely drawing logical conclusions,

Where is the evidence, or the logic, required for a logical
conclusion.. surely you are not proposing this piss-weak
argument by IRRELEVANT analogy:

> just as they conclude that there is not massive upside
> down pyramid on top of the Washington Monument.

Surely they do that AFTER an observation of the Washington
monument. B^]

Pretty easy as a single location is specified.

But how do the carry out observations of all locations,
and all times, in the known universe.

And how do you observe an Invisible Essence.

Your analogy is like saying space time does not exist,
let alone curve, based on an analogy that "they do so
just as they conclude that there is not massive upside
down pyramid on top of the Washington Monument."

It's a weak, and demonstrably INADEQUATE analogy, even for
scientific concepts for which we have a high degree
of objective confirmation.

Run along lightweight, thinking is NOT your forte.

It is a logical IMPOSSIBILITY to prove the non-existence
of God, for even if you could prove it for here and now,
you haven't proved it for there and whenever.

It is logically possible to prove the existence of God,
all that would be needed is for God to Manifest.
There is evidence of this, but it is not regarded
as CONCLUSIVE PROOF.

That is why the defailt rational position on God is
AGNOSTICISM!

viola! B^]

I could present the evidence, but the danger is that
fanatical atheist nutjobs like Bukakke would
misunderstand and misrepresent a DISCUSSION of say,
'Avatar', as evidence I BELIEVED in alien lifeforms..
and there is no PROOF they exist.

So I would have to be INVITED, and establish groundrules
for discussion before even considering such a discussion
in the rabid cesspit of alt.atheism. It is a discussion
for intelligent people capable of nuance.

I haven't encountered any here, and I meet a lot of them
in the real world, hence my interest in these atheists
as subjects.

>>> Atheism is just a position,
>>
>> It certainly adopts one;
>>
>> http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Head-Up_Ass.png
>>
>> but the reality of atheism is in it's ACTIONS, not it's
>> self serving abstact definitions;
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>> http://www.atheistmessiah.com/
>>
>> > not a philosophy, ideology, or world view.
>>
>> You can't ignore reality by just waving your hands and
>> spouting blathershite:

>>
>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."

>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

>>
>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>>

>> ---------
>>
>> THAT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF AN ATHEIST TOTALITARIAN STATE!
>>
>> Reality tops atheist bullshit! B^]
>>
>> > You could be an atheist
>>
>> Nah, impossible..
>>
>> I would have to have a frontal lobotomy to get an IQ low enough!
>> B^D
>>
>> And I would never want to be part of what your alt.atheism webmaster
>> says EVERY atheist dociety is: "an evil abomination" 8^o
>>
>> How do you ever put up with all that abominating!? B^[

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:38:00 -0400, Brother Love
<clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:

>This from a fool who calls his self Warlord BAWA. LOL.

That would be.... who calls 'himself' Warlord..'

As far as I can figure, you seem to be an uneducated asshole that
think's he's intelligent. No doubt your superstition reinforces your
ignorance. You can't form an intelligent sentence structure and your
spelling is equal to a twelve year old.

You've marched into an atheist group. So far, all you've done is
display an astonishing stupidity. A complete lack of information about
a subject you think you know, atheism.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[fasgnadh]

On 4/04/2013 10:35 AM, sbalneav wrote:
> In alt.atheism felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:

>> On 04-April-2013 12:55 AM, sbalneav wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.atheism felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:

>>>> On 03-April-2013 2:15 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In alt.atheism felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:

>>>>>> On 02-April-2013 11:00 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In alt.atheism felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> On 02-April-2013 6:25 PM, Yap wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 2, 10:34 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 02-April-2013 1:19 PM, Yap wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 10:52 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31-March-2013 1:10 AM, Syd M. wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> It is what is

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not exist, even if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> these believers think of nonsense

they are atheists, it's all they have to offer.


>>>>>>>>>> religious organizations, do an enormous amount of charitable work
>>>>>>>>>> worldwide.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> there are some small atheist organizations

>>>>>> compared to what religious organizations do, the number
>>>>>> is very small.
>>>>> not surprising, given:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) The relative number of atheists to theists.
>>>>> 3) The general stigma associated with being an
>>>>> atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Red Cross does good work
>>>> They are NOT atheist organizations

>>> A secular organization IS an atheist organization.
>>

>> stop talking crap!
>
> Why am I talking crap?

You should ask your therapist that, it's not our problem!

I'm not sure what a Freudian will tell you but Jung
as fairly specific about your illness:


"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."

-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul


# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists

B^D

Shouldn't your therapist have to hear that, not us!?

Snot had an ilness that may explain the atheist psychosis:

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave

So it sounds like the reason you atheists talk crap is existential
nausea when you realise you are an atheist. B^D




--

[Ken]

On Apr 7, 8:15 pm, kni...@baawa.com wrote:

>    That would be.... who calls 'himself' Warlord..'
>
>    As far as I can figure, you seem to be an uneducated asshole that
> think's he's intelligent. No doubt your superstition reinforces your
> ignorance. You can't form an intelligent sentence structure and your
> spelling is equal to a twelve year old.
>
>    You've marched into an atheist group. So far, all you've done is
> display an astonishing stupidity. A complete lack of information about
> a subject you think you know, atheism.
>
> Warlord Steve
> BAAWA

And not even worth bothering with

[fasgnadh]

R Brownnose concedes the argument and does as he is told:

Which is exactly what Brownnose has done.

(he got his name from adopting the position of Orthodox Atheism; B^]


http://tinyurl.com/7evkmo8

>>>>>> Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their idée fixe is

resort to nothing but ad hom and complete lack of substance.

R Brown chose option 2: B^]

> reacts exactly as predicted.

concedes the facts and runs away! B^D

Posting irrelevant non sequiturs:

> a Collingwood supporter.

explains you getting the Collywobbles! B^D

> Still got some teeth left

Gives you something to lie through, I suppose.

As I said:

>> I don't have time for lightweights with no rational faculties

>> for debate:
>>
>>> R.Brown

Snot Balneave explains why atheist BELIEVER's
are lying hypocritical wankers who can't defend
their position, and have no proof for their beliefs:

---------

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

[fasgnadh]

On 1/04/2013 9:26 AM, Budikka666 wrote:
> Budikka writes:

>
>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
>>
>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>> #
>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>> # >
>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>> # >
>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>
>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>
>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!

they claim over 2300 atheists in USENET, but the number
who actually exist and are still here, is less than 5% of that!

There is more evidence for JESUS than those imaginary atheists! B^D

And to BE ACCEPTED on that list all you have to do is
choose a sock, and BELIEVE:

>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>> # >
>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>
>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"

Atheists lie about having beliefs, but it is DOCUMENTED in their
own alt.atheism FAQ!!!!!

# Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers
# Date: 18 Jun 1994 10:00:03 +0100
#
# AN INTRODUCTION TO ATHEISM
#
# [i01] "What is atheism?"
#
# "atheists go further, and believe that
# particular gods do not exist."
#
# http://www.skeptictank.org/files//atheist/atheistf.htm
#
# Atheists have anti-religious anti-theist beliefs.

It's AS I SAID, atheism is a belief.. THEY JUST HAVE NO PROOF!

>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.

Or you can try to do what Bukakke does and

> LIE.

But the EVIDENCE from atheists own FAQ shows atheism is a belief,
they just have no evidence for it!


> Atheism is the denial that there is any legitimate evidence

Well that just shows how delusional you are!

I presented evidence for the TRUTH about atheism;

Atheism is a belief, atheists say so, but they have no evidence.

> don't take my word for it.

B^D No one EVER DOES! B^D

> *You* are going to prove my point to your readers.
>

> Please present right here your *positive* *scientific* evidence *for* a

> creator or for a creation.

Oh dear we have done this already, Bukkke is incapable of reading
with comprehension! (and then atheists whine like little bitches
when I simply paste the proof I have ALREADY given and they merely
slip and lie about):



# Subject: A lesson in GUTLESS ATHEIST LIARS and their cowardice
# was Re: Continue to Watch Bukakke RUN like the coward he is!
# was Atheism is CATEGORICAL DENIAL of Deities Existing
# according to Hypatia, not mere non-belief. WHERE's THE PROOF?
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans,alt.talk.creationism
# Message-ID: <VVp6t.206$EY1...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:48:26 +1100
#
# Bukakke wrote:
#
# > present your *independent* *objective* evidence *for* a creator
#
# Too easy,
#
# So, here is all I need to show you;
#
# This post was created by me, I am it's creator.
#
# Q.E.D.
#
# > or for a creation.
#
# your stupid post was YOUR creation.
#
# Don't you feel STUPID to be humiliated by your OWN creation?
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA
#
#
# Any monent now Bukakke will beg for mercy, weep and then ABANDON
# THE FIELD.. again!

As it was written.. so it was! B ^D


# > present your *intelligent* *rationale* for a creator or for a
# > creation.
#
# If you have read this far, you have seen the powerful argument I
# have created.
#
# I am the creator of that argument, it is my creation.
#
# You may confirm the EVIDENCE by responding to this post. B^]
#
# Q.E.D.

Which bukakke did, dranting and screeching abuse and rage
like a vampire splashed with Holy Water!

# When you RUN from MY challenge, as you inevitably do, you will,
# yourself, without any effort from me, prove that you are a liar, a
# coward, and a vacuous hypocrite - as you atheists invariably do.

And Bukakke did run, as usual.

Atheists snip the evidence for the truth they cannot deal with and then
they lie:


> When you fail with that, as you creationists inevitably do, then please
> present your *independent* *objective* evidence *for* a creator or for a
> creation.
>
> When you fail with that, as you creationists inevitably do, then please

> present your *intelligent* *rationale* for a creator or for a creation.

Bukakke's mental ilness clearly affects memory as well.. the poor
decrepit mental defective forgot what he just wrote and just keeps
mindlessly repeating his Idee fixe!!!!!

And as you can all see, proving RATIONAL ARGUMENT with EVIDENCE has
no impact on Bukakke's IRRATIONAL RANTING, ABUSE and SLANDER!


Snot Balneave explains WHY atheists lie about their beliefs
slander and abuse rational thinkers who prove them wrong;

[fasgnadh]

On 5/04/2013 12:24 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <tk6sl8tta3uun6fgc...@4ax.com>,
> Brother Love <clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 22:26:01 +0000 (UTC), Budikka666
>> <Budi...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Budikka writes:

>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 9:55 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>>>

>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:

>>>>> # > Hypatia showes how atheism is a BELIEF:

>> Your an idiot, Budda. The world is proof enough for creation.
>

> How? Explain in detail, please.

Oh dear, another idiot!


We have done this already, Bukkke is incapable of reading
with comprehension and always just snips the evidence and lies
about it, or tries to change the subject!

> And don't forget your evidence.

IT WAS ALL HERE TILL YOU DISHONEST CRETINS SNIPPED IT

(and then the DIHONEST atheist hypocrites whine like little bitches
when I simply paste the proof I have ALREADY given rather than
keep inventing the wheel! B^)

# Subject: A lesson in GUTLESS ATHEIST LIARS and their cowardice
# was Re: Continue to Watch Bukakke RUN like the coward he is!
# was Atheism is CATEGORICAL DENIAL of Deities Existing
# according to Hypatia, not mere non-belief. WHERE's THE PROOF?
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans,alt.talk.creationism
# Message-ID: <VVp6t.206$EY1...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:48:26 +1100
#
# Bukakke wrote:
#
# > present your *independent* *objective* evidence *for* a creator
#
# Too easy,
#

# This post was created by me, I am it's creator.
#
# Q.E.D.
#
# > or for a creation.
#
# your stupid post was YOUR creation.
#
# Don't you feel STUPID to be humiliated by your OWN creation?
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA
#

# > present your *intelligent* *rationale* for a creator or for a
# > creation.
#
# If you have read this far, you have seen the powerful argument I
# have created.
#
# I am the creator of that argument, it is my creation.
#
# You may confirm the EVIDENCE by responding to this post. B^]
#
# Q.E.D.

Which bukakke did, ranting and screeching abuse and rage
like a vampire splashed with Holy Water!! Athesits HATE evidence!

[fasgnadh]

Hysteria7 defends the atheist Faith and it's beliefs:
> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:32:59 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:

>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>> "non-belief in deities":
>>>

>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>> #

>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:

>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:

>>> # >
>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>> # >
>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>
>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>
>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>

>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>> # >
>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>
>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"
>>>

>>> To demonstrate the atheist belief statement is true,
>>> you need to prove that no deities exist.
>>>

>>> Hypatia ACCEPTS the definition of an atheist as one who

>>> has an UNPROVEN belief that "It is false that any deities exist"
>
> If he believes that no deities exist

There is no *IF* about it, he BELIEVES, and he has no PROOF for his belief.

And you accepted that unproven belief as the basis for admitting
him AS AN ATHEIST!

>>> # You're very welcome and welcome to the Alt.Atheism
>>> # Atheist/Agnostic list #2306!
>>>
>>> As you accept that belief as part of atheism, then atheism is NOT
>>> merely the lack of belief in a God,
>>> it is a claim that no deities exist - AN UNPROVEN BELIEF

Atheism IS A BELIEF... their own ALT.ATHEISM FAQ website says so;

# Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers
# Date: 18 Jun 1994 10:00:03 +0100
#
# AN INTRODUCTION TO ATHEISM
#
# [i01] "What is atheism?"
#
# "atheists go further, and believe that
# particular gods do not exist."
#
# http://www.skeptictank.org/files//atheist/atheistf.htm

Atheists have anti-religious anti-theist beliefs.

It's AS I SAID, atheism is a belief.. THEY JUST HAVE NO PROOF!

>>>

>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist,
>>> even if they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>
>>>
>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>

>> Ya doomayoo tak, Tovarich. Eta ochin pravda.

Spasiba

>> If their position was merely a case of non-belief,
>> they would not spend so much time and effort
>> attacking the Catholic Church and religion in general.
>> That sort of behavior is proselytizing for atheism
>> and nothing more elegant than that.

alt.atheism reveals what a black hole atheism is, completely NEGATIVE
anti-theist hatred ooozing from every pore.

Snot Balneave explains why;

[R Brown]

There's no argument; just your endless ranting.

This is why nutters like fasgnadh love usenet. Their egos are so
fragile. It's kinda sad really.

> > > > > > > Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their id�e fixe is

> > > > > > > http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General
> > > > > > > /200 9/1/ 6/12
> > > > > > > 31252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

--

[fasgnadh]

Steve Knight,likes to Mass-Debate with Ravin1 and Brownnose;
> raven1 never debates me, just Mass-debates ABOUT ME:
>> The best "R Brownnose could manage was "Collingwood Supporter":

As No atheist has any proof for the atheist Beliefs I have documented

in this thread, (and that is clear to all rational readers),

I want to take some time out to document in detail how atheist

trolls work to evade issues when their irrationality has been proven.

I will demonstrate the following propositions;

Atheist's debate SOME of those they label as trolls, only if they
are fundies and nutjobs, because then, by comparison, the atheists
can almost look intelligent! B^D
They also respond to those who assist the atheists in CHANGING THE
SUBJECT, by doing the SNIP part of the atheist SNIP-AND-RUN-from-the
-topic gambit, because the atheists are themselves trolls! B^]

You see RBrownose, Ravin1, and Steve knight, the atheist Warlord(sic)
and hate-filled anti-theist sociopath, ALL OF whom ceased to debate me
after I kicked their arses around USENET for years, doing just that;

One snips the substantive issue and has a little cry, and the others,
now safe from any IDEAS, ISSUES or EVIDENCE, can LIE *ABOUT* ME,
because they sure as shit are too gutless to DEBATE ME DIRECTLY!! B^D

Just like Bukakke and all the rest of the defeated atheists without a
cause! B^D

They saw what happened to Snot Balneave, publicly PROVEN to be an
atheist LIAR, HYPOCRITE and TROLL, the same as happened to
themselves when they decided to run from my arguments.

Those who the atheists brand as trolls, but whom who they refuse to

debate are the ones they fear most! B^]

They are happy to debate the genuine trolls, because they are easy meat.
In fact that is 90% of atheist traffic, debating fundies
whose intellects MATCH THEIR OWN! B^D

Sample a few threads at random and you will find plenty of
evidence for that! B^]

Once you understand the dynamics of these anti-intellectual atheist

trolls you can avoid their dishonest Snip and Run tactics:

As this entire thread shows, the atheists must first have a stooge

to remove the ENTIRE topic, and place an entirely IRRELEVANT diversion:

1. SNIP and run from the topic as soon as they can and


2. Insert an irrelevant and provocative Trolling statement
as a distraction from the topic they cannot debate.

The irrelevance will provoke a theist to respond, and
the atheists have now Hi-jacked the subject and can
return to SCRIPT.

In this sub-thread that hijacking was carried out by Brownnose,

you don't need to be bright to be an atheist stooge, you
just FOLLOW THE TIMEWORN SCRIPT. yawn

You can tell if this has worked if the SUBJECT no longer
matches the discussion.

and that is EVIDENCED by every atheist post AFTER Brownnose
snipped all the substance, so the poor atheist trolls felt
safe from ideas and evidence!

At that point you are wasting your time reading the thread,
it has become like EVERY OTHER THREAD a pointless metaphysical
debate between two groups of fundies with fixed positions and
NO PROOF for their repsective beliefs, although the theists,
if they are any good, have whole civilisations worth of
HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that their beliefs are more useful to
humans than the atheist ideology, as actualised in the
atheist states Snot Balneave describes as 'evil abominations'

Atheists, you will soon discover, DESPISE RATIONAL DEBATE.

This topic is a classic, it is ENTIRELY about ATHEISM,
quotes only ATHEISTS as evidence of their beliefs and
the very first atheist poster SNIPS IT ALL and initiates
the same deadly distraction and diversion into dismally
degraded dogma that we see every BORING FUCKING DAY
from the MINDLESS Atheist BORG!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA





>>

>>> There's no argument

Not from atheists, they snip it and run, as you have done
AT THE POINT YOU HAD NO ARGUMENT LEFT! B^]

Anyone can see that the atheists only take that line after they
TRIED to argue but THEIR ARGUMENTS FAILED! B^D

Now there is just
>>> endless ranting.
and mutual Mass Debation by the atheist trolls
re-inforcing their baseless opinions, blind dogma and seething
hatred of those who always best them in rational debate;


>>> nutters like fasgnadh

Aw thanks fellas! But I don't like the dishonest atheist liars,
hypocrites and nutters back!

I have told you I don't swing both ways, and besides no sentient
human woulf pollute the gene pool by allowing you maggots to
swim in it!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHA

Why won't atheist blowhards debate anyone who has
comprehensively kicked their arse in the past?

>>> Their egos are so fragile. It's kinda sad really.

>> I see Fasgnadh

YOu must be hallucinating, because I'm right here, not there.

Perhaps you are standing in front of a mirror,
describe what you see, is it a sloping forehead,
gravel rash on it's knuckles atheist BAAWA thug,
or bloated blimp like Snot Balneave,

> more of a Usenet sociopath.

Like this?:

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape!

They don't come more hate-filled, violent and psychopathic bat-shit
crazy than that!

>> He uses it as an outlet for behavior that would earn him a
>> punch on the nose if he tried it in real life.



If you Google the word "Mother" for Steve Knight,
this is what you find, Steve has to say about her;


# took his rubber cock out of his mouth, shoved it
# up his mother's ass and ...
#
# - From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,
# alt.agnosticism
# Subject: Re: Better place to debate theists?
# Message-ID: <8pj4e5pk7oi5ohvjp...@4ax.com>
# Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:06:52 -0700


> He fits the profile as being socially retarded and borderline
> school shooter.
>
> Warlord Steve
> BAAWA

A rare moment of honesty from an atheist sociopath! 8^o

The difference between me and those pathetic, mutually
masturbating atheist trolls is that I have EVIDENCE
for everything I say about them and the only use they
have for evidence is WHEN THEY SNIP IT AND RUN AWAY:

Q.E.D.


<Unsnip>

On 9/04/2013 10:34 AM, fasgnadh wrote:> R Brownnose concedes the

>>>>>>>>> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General
>>>>>>>>> /200 9/1/ 6/12
>>>>>>>>> 31252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their id�e fixe is

>>>>>>> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly

>>>>>>> plausible that # in the universe there are God-like
>>>>>>> creatures." #

>>>>>>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone
>>>>>>> around a # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand

>>>>> # Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"

>>>>> # - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
>>>>> #
>>>>> # "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota

>>>>> # found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�

>>>>> #
>>>>> # "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
>>>>> # university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
>>>>> # below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and

>>>>> # other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
>>>>> # American society.�

>>>>> #
>>>>> # Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
>>>>> # least willing to allow their children to marry.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
>>>>> # organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
>>>>> # they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
>>>>> # by a large portion of the American public.
>>>>> #

>>>>> # Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with

>>>>> # an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
>>>>> # behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
>>>>> # social disorder is behind the findings.

>>>>> # �Americans believe they share more than rules and
>>>>> # procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
>>>>> # understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our

>>>>> # findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
>>>>> # self-interested individuals who are not concerned

>>>>> # with the common good.�

>>> up a directorship in a holding company for properties,

[R Brown]

Do you expect us to read this shit and respond to it?

You wish! Of course, now you can say, "Therefore I win!!"

Sad really.

> Steve Knight,likes to Mass-Debate with Ravin1 and Brownnose;
> > raven1 never debates me, just Mass-debates ABOUT ME:
> > > The best "R Brownnose could manage was "Collingwood Supporter":
>
> As No atheist has any proof for the atheist Beliefs I have documented
> in this thread, (and that is clear to all rational readers),
> I want to take some time out to document in detail how atheist
> trolls work to evade issues when their irrationality has been proven.
>
> I will demonstrate the following propositions;
>
> Atheist's debate SOME of those they label as trolls, only if they
> are fundies and nutjobs, because then, by comparison, the atheists
> can almost look intelligent! B^D
> They also respond to those who assist the atheists in CHANGING THE
> SUBJECT, by doing the SNIP part of the atheist SNIP-AND-RUN-from-the
> -topic gambit, because the atheists are themselves trolls! B^]
>
> You see RBrownose, Ravin1, and Steve knight, the atheist Warlord(sic)
> and hate-filled anti-theist sociopath, ALL OF whom ceased to debate me
> after I kicked their arses around USENET for years, doing just that;
>
> One snips the substantive issue and has a little cry, and the others,

> now safe from any IDEAS, ISSUES or EVIDENCE, can LIE ABOUT ME,

> >>>>>>> Atheists are ALWAYS talking theology, their id�e fixe is

> >>>>>>> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly

> >>>>>>> plausible that # in the universe there are God-like
> >>>>>>> creatures." #

> >>>>>>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone
> >>>>>>> around a # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand

> >>>>> # Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"

> >>>>> # - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
> >>>>> #
> >>>>> # "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota

> >>>>> # found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�

> >>>>> #
> >>>>> # "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
> >>>>> # university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
> >>>>> # below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and

> >>>>> # other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
> >>>>> # American society.�

> >>>>> #
> >>>>> # Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
> >>>>> # least willing to allow their children to marry.
> >>>>> #
> >>>>> # Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
> >>>>> # organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
> >>>>> # they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
> >>>>> # by a large portion of the American public.
> >>>>> #

> >>>>> # Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with

> >>>>> # an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
> >>>>> # behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
> >>>>> #
> >>>>> # Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
> >>>>> # social disorder is behind the findings.

> >>>>> # �Americans believe they share more than rules and
> >>>>> # procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
> >>>>> # understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our

> >>>>> # findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
> >>>>> # self-interested individuals who are not concerned

> >>>>> # with the common good.�

[fasgnadh]

Socrates conceded the facts and added some metaphysical beliefs:

Ah, you named yourself after Socrates, one of the greatest Greek theists!
From Plato's account of his trial:

"Wherefore, O judges, be of good cheer about death, and know this of a
truth - that no evil can happen to a good man, either in life or after
death. He and his are not neglected by the gods;"

A theist, and a believer in a higher purpose and the afterlife,
where things will be better:

" nor has my own approaching end happened by mere chance.
But I see clearly that to die and be released was better for me"

A man who believed in, and practised, forgiveness:

"For which reason also, I am not angry with my accusers, or my
condemners; they have done me no harm, although neither of them meant to
do me any good; and for this I may gently blame them."


"The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways - I to die, and
you to live. Which is better God only knows."


http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html

No wonder the atheists refer to the Ancient Greeks and their
great Theist thinkers in profound admiration! B^D

Socrates says "Which is better God only knows", and certainly..
...ATHEISTS DON'T!!!

B^D

> On 9/04/2013 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Hysteria7 defends the atheist Faith and it's beliefs:
>>> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:32:59 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>>> "non-belief in deities":

Unsnip what the atheists ALWAYS snip and run from; the facts: >

>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>>>> #
>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>>> # >
>>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>>> # >
>>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>>
>>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>>
>>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>>>
>>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>>> # >
>>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"

Pretend Socrates was wise to concede the point!

Hysteria7 continues to run away after abandoning the field to me.

Pretend Socrates was wise to concede the point on her behalf!

>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist,
>>>>> even if they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>>>
>>>> Ya doomayoo tak, Tovarich. Eta ochin pravda.
>>
>> Spasiba
>>
>>>> If their position was merely a case of non-belief,
>>>> they would not spend so much time and effort
>>>> attacking the Catholic Church and religion in general.
>>>> That sort of behavior is proselytizing for atheism
>>>> and nothing more elegant than that.

As is their T-Shirt and bus ads for their ideology:

Atheists publish their belief that God does not exist
on T-Shirts and Bus ads backed by Dawkins and funded
by atheists worldwide:

http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

http://images.theage.com.au/2010/03/02/1184670/atheist-420x0.jpg

(Dawkins wanted the word "Probably" left out, but he was persuaded
by Ariane Sherine, because she heard it had helped Carlsberg avoid
complaints and legal action with their claim selling beer;
"*Probably* the best beer in the world"... )

Dawkin's agreed with compromising his beliefs because it
would make their ad's a smaller target, a typical atheist ploy.

The advertising board still found it was false advertising,
whith no evidence for it's claims, just like any dishonest
fraudsters flogging flat beer:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

It's just as I said.. Atheists have BELIEFS,

they put them on bus signs!

And they CAN'T PROVE THEM!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

PRICELESS!

The raise funds just like any other political group, to
prosletyse their ideology, and no one cares.

(Even funnier is the "Don't Worry, Be Happy" idea is plagiarised, TWICE,
stolen from the popular song with that refrain, inspired originally
by the BIBLE!


# Atheist Bus Ads Plagiarised from the Bible
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,
# aus.politics,alt.politics.democrats,
# alt.politics.republicans,uk.politics.misc
# Subject: Re: Atheist Ads on Spanish Bus plagiarised from the
# UK Dawkinites, who stole the ideas from the Bible!
# Message-ID: <UbH8l.8314$cu....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:24:36 GMT

>> alt.atheism reveals what a black hole atheism is, completely NEGATIVE
>> anti-theist hatred ooozing from every pore.
>>
>> Snot Balneave explains why;

>> --
>> ---------
>>
>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>
>> - Scott Balneave, the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>
>>
>> That explains why religion continues to spread
>> globally while atheism declines:
>>
>>
>> "At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half
>> of the world's population identified itself as either Muslim,
>> Catholic, Protestant, Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of
>> secularism, and technological advancement, and scientific
>> progress later and that number is now two thirds.

>> So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
>> conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
>> the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
>> it's not happening at all.
>>
>> People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
>> and religion itself is also evolving"
>>
>> - Dr Reza Aslan

Socrates the Lesser, was wise to concede all the facts and the
substantive issues and just bloviate on some random thoughts of
his own;


> Good to use the word "evolving" but risky in the context of
> quoting percentage because...., nothing evolves more continuously
> than what man believes

As with a child, as it grows older, the education required
changes to suit the learning capacities and stage of development,
thus you don't teach Calculus to a 2 year old, and by 20 if they haven't
learned fingerpainting they are retarded or an atheist
(sorry, that last bit is probably redundant ;-)

It's called Progressive Revelation. As man evolves from a creature
that can barely manage to bang rocks together to one who understands
concepts like freedom and responsibility, the instruction set moves from
simply smacking the infants hand away if it tries to stick a fork in
a power socket to explaining to a grade school student the dangers of
contact with high voltage!

That is why atheists always pretend that theism is typified
by the medieval period, ignoring the fact that atheist states
in the TWENTIETH CENTURY regressed humanity to something FAR WORSE,
while majority religious societies had EVOLVED the free, open,
progressive, scientifically advanced, tolerant, rights-based
secular democracies which even the atheist HYPOCRITES AND PARASITES
prefer to live in rather than experience the REALITY of an atheist
state.. NONE OF WHICH EVER EVOLVED, but were all TOTALITARIAN
TYRANNIES.

I think we have cleared that up.

Now run along and see if you can EVOLVE a rational argument
and see if you can find ANY evidence for you opinions.

Ive shown you how it's done, I anticipate you will just snip it
all and run


Q.E.D.


> Metaphysical rebellion is the movement by which man protests
> against his condition and against the whole of creation.

Well, I will leave you whine about "the whole of creation"
and blame the God that atheists pretend not to believe in
except to blame for theri own mediocrity and failure...

the theists have an evolving civilisation on this planet
which they and I really enjoy and are having great success on..

and your useless whining about your inability to either
enjoy nature, nor improve on ity, is your problem!

I leave you to wallow in your existential nausea!


It is metaphysical because
> it contests the ends of man and of creation. The slave protests against
> the condition in which he finds himself within his state of slavery;
the
> metaphysical rebel protests against the condition in which he finds
> himself as a man. The rebel slave affirms that there is something in
> him that will not tolerate the manner in which his master treats him;
> the metaphysical rebel declares that he is frustrated by the universe.
> For both of them, it is not only a question of pure and simple negation.
>
> In both cases, in fact, we find a value judgment in the name of which
> the rebel refuses to approve the condition in which he finds himself.
>
> The slave who opposes his master is not concerned, let us note, with
> repudiating his master as a human being. He repudiates him as a master.
> He denies that he has the right to deny him, a slave, on grounds of
> necessity. The master is discredited to the exact extent that he fails
> to respond to a demand which he ignores. If men cannot refer to a
> common value, recognized by all as existing in each one, then man is
> incomprehensible to man. The rebel demands that this value should be
> clearly recognized in himself because he knows or suspects that, without
> this principle, crime and disorder would reign throughout the world. An
> act of rebellion on his part seems like a demand for clarity and unity.
> The most elementary form of rebellion, paradoxically, expresses an
> aspiration to order.
>
> This description can be applied, word for word, to the metaphysical
> rebel. He attacks a shattered world in order to demand unity from it.
> He opposes the principle of justice which he finds in himself to the
> principle of /injustice/ which he sees being applied in the world.
>
> Thus, all he wants, originally, is to resolve this contradiction and
> establish the Unitarian reign of justice, if he can, or of injustice if
> he is driven to extremes. Meanwhile, he denounces the contradiction.
>
> Metaphysical rebellion is a claim, motivated by the concept of a
> complete unity, against the suffering of life and death and a protest
> against the human condition both for its incompleteness, (thanks to
> death), and its wastefulness, thanks to evil.
>
> If a mass death sentence defines the human condition, then rebellion, in
> one sense, is its contemporary. At the same time that he rejects his
> mortality, the rebel refuses to recognize the power that compels him to
> live in this condition. The metaphysical rebel is therefore not
> definitely an atheist, as one might think him, but he is inevitably a
> blasphemer. Quite simply, he blasphemes primarily in the name of order,
> denouncing God as the father of death and as the supreme outrage.


Atheists blame the God they don't believe in for the pathetic
lives they lead, and for their own inadequacy

I celebrate life, love the world, enjoy nature, it's beauty and
its CHALLENGES, see the astonishing progress that an infant
mankind has made in just 10,000 years, the BLINK of a cosmic eye, since
religion began civilisation and take pride in the way we have
evolved so rapidly in our asymptote toward perfection;

"The Birth of Religion

We used to think agriculture gave rise to cities and later to writing,
art, and religion. Now the world�s oldest temple suggests the urge to
worship sparked civilization."

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text

I can see what theists have achieved in a mere 10,000 years
and understand why atheists hate life and their own inability
to achieve anything or even change their sense of bitter resentment
at being born.. but no one can help you, because you have
ABANDONED ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR FATE and absurdly, hilariously,
ridiculously BLAME THE GOD YOU PRETEND NOT TO BELEIVE IN for everything
wrong with you!!!!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAAA

Atheists, the mewling infants in a fabulous COSMOS! B^D

> The rebel slave will help us throw light on this point. He established,
> by his protest, the existence of the master against whom he rebelled.
> But at the same time he demonstrated that his master�s power was
> dependent on his own subordination and he affirmed his own power:
>
> the power of continually questioning the superiority of his master. In
> this respect, the master and the slave are really in the same boat: the
> temporary sway of the former is as relative as the submission of the
> latter. The two forces assert themselves alternately at the moment of
> rebellion until they confront each other for a fight to the death, and
> one or the other [temporarily] disappears.
>
> In the same way, if the metaphysical rebel ranges himself against a
> power whose existence he simultaneously affirms, he only admits the
> existence of this power at the very instant that he calls it into
> question. Then he involves this superior being in the same humiliation
> adventure as mankind�s, its ineffectual power being the equivalent of
> our ineffectual condition. He subjects it to our power of refusal,
> bends it to the unbending part of human nature, forcibly integrates it
> into an existence that we render absurd, and finally drags it from its
> refuge outside time and involves it in history, very far from the
> eternal stability that it can find only in the unanimous submission of
> all men. Thus, rebellion affirms that, on its own level, any concept of
> superior existence is contradictory.
>
> As so the history of metaphysical rebellion cannot be confused with that
> of atheism. From a certain point of view it is even confused with the
> contemporary history of religious sentiment. The rebel [defies] more
> that he denies. Originally, at least, he does not suppress God; he
> merely talks to Him as an equal. But it is not a polite dialogue. It
> is a polemic animated by the desire to conquer. The slave begins by
> demanding justice and ends by wanting to wear a crown.
>
> He must dominate in his turn. His insurrection against his condition
> becomes an unlimited campaign against the heavens for the purpose of
> bringing back a captive king who will first be dethroned and finally
> condemned to death.
>
> Human rebellion ends in metaphysical revolution. It progresses from
> appearances to acts, from the dandy to the revolutionary. When the
> throne of God is overturned, the rebel realizes that it is now his own
> responsibility to create the justice, order, and unity that he sought in
> vain within his own condition, and in this way to justify the fall of
> God. Then begins the desperate effort to create, at the price of crime
> and murder if necessary, the dominion of man.

Well, atheists sure managed the "desperate effort... at the price of
crime and murder if necessary" in EVERY atheist regime in history..

But they didn't CREATE a fucking thing, except terror, torture, despair,
decay and the DEATH OF OVER 80,000,000!!!

So much for the failed atheist hypothesis! pfffffft!

[fasgnadh]

On 11/04/2013 1:42 AM, Dreamer In Colore wrote:
> Socrates conceded the facts and added some metaphysical beliefs:

Ah, you named yourself after Socrates, one of the greatest Greek theists!
From Plato's account of his trial:

"Wherefore, O judges, be of good cheer about death, and know this of a
truth - that no evil can happen to a good man, either in life or after
death. He and his are not neglected by the gods;"

A theist, and a believer in a higher purpose and the afterlife,
where things will be better:

" nor has my own approaching end happened by mere chance.
But I see clearly that to die and be released was better for me"

A man who believed in, and practised, forgiveness:

"For which reason also, I am not angry with my accusers, or my
condemners; they have done me no harm, although neither of them meant to
do me any good; and for this I may gently blame them."


"The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways - I to die, and
you to live. Which is better God only knows."


http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html

No wonder the atheists refer to the Ancient Greeks and their
great Theist thinkers in profound admiration! B^D

Socrates says "Which is better God only knows", and certainly..
...ATHEISTS DON'T!!!

B^D



>> On 9/04/2013 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

>>> Hysteria7 defends the atheist Faith and it's beliefs:
>>>> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:32:59 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>>> On 30/03/2013 9:55 PM, fasgnadh wrote:>
>>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that atheism is merely
>>>>>> "non-belief in deities":

Unsnip what the atheists ALWAYS snip and run from; the facts: >

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance...
>>>>>> # what's BAAWA and aa followed with numbers?
>>>>>> # From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore wrote:
>>>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # >>The kind of atheist you are or just plain atheist:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # > Positive Explicit Atheist ("It is false that any deities exist")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a categorical claim, with no proof, it is just a belief
>>>>>> like the theist belief "It is true that some/one deities exist"

Socrates The Lesser was wise to concede the point!

Hysteria7 continues to run away after abandoning the field to me.

Pretend Socrates was wise to concede the point on her behalf!

>>>>>> So an atheist is someone who BELIEVES that deities do not exist,
>>>>>> even if they have NO PROOF for that belief!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is false that any deities exist" is a claim requiring proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ya doomayoo tak, Tovarich. Eta ochin pravda.
>>>
>>> Spasiba
>>>
>>>>> If their position was merely a case of non-belief,
>>>>> they would not spend so much time and effort
>>>>> attacking the Catholic Church and religion in general.
>>>>> That sort of behavior is proselytizing for atheism
>>>>> and nothing more elegant than that.

>>> alt.atheism reveals what a black hole atheism is, completely NEGATIVE
>>> anti-theist hatred ooozing from every pore.
>>>
>>> Snot Balneave explains why;
>
>>> --
>>> ---------
>>>
>>> "every ... "atheist society" has been an
>>> evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
>>>
>>> - Scott Balneave, the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
>>>
>>>
>>> That explains why religion continues to spread
>>> globally while atheism declines:
>>>
>>>
>>> "At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half
>>> of the world's population identified itself as either Muslim,
>>> Catholic, Protestant, Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of
>>> secularism, and technological advancement, and scientific
>>> progress later and that number is now two thirds.
>
>>> So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
>>> conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
>>> the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
>>> it's not happening at all.
>>>
>>> People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
>>> and religion itself is also evolving"
>>>
>>> - Dr Reza Aslan

for everything!

Priceless!

Atheists blame GOD for their own mediocrity and failure
when science says the Cosmos formed NATURALLY and evolved! B^D

The theists have an evolving civilisation on this planet

which they and I really enjoy and are having great success on..

and your useless whining about your inability to either

enjoy nature, nor improve on it, is your problem!!!

I leave you to wallow in your existential nausea!


>> It is metaphysical because

>> it contests the ends of man and of creation.The slave protests

None more wasteful that the atheist states; terror torture and over
80,000,000 dead! If that is athesits "rebelling" against reality
then frankly you guys ARE THE PROBLEM, not the SOLUTION!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAHAA

The atheist WebMaster of alt.atheism's website openly admitted that
atheism is a SOURCE of evil, not a cure for it;

"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

- Scott Balneave, alt.atheism.Borg

>> If a mass death sentence defines the human condition, then rebellion, in
>> one sense, is its contemporary. At the same time that he rejects his
>> mortality, the rebel refuses to recognize the power that compels him to
>> live in this condition. The metaphysical rebel is therefore not
>> definitely an atheist, as one might think him, but he is inevitably a
>> blasphemer. Quite simply, he blasphemes primarily in the name of order,
>> denouncing God as the father of death and as the supreme outrage.

Atheists blame the God they don't believe in for the pathetic

lives they lead, for their own inadequacy AND FOR THEIR OWN EVIL! B^D

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA

I celebrate life, understand and accept natural events like death,

love the world, enjoy nature, it's beauty and its CHALLENGES,
see the astonishing progress that an infant mankind has made

in just 10,000 years, (the BLINK of a cosmic eye ;-), since

religion began civilisation and take pride in the way we have
evolved so rapidly in our asymptote toward perfection;

"The Birth of Religion

We used to think agriculture gave rise to cities and later to writing,
art, and religion. Now the world�s oldest temple suggests the urge to
worship sparked civilization."

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text

It has certasinly inspired and sustained it ever since, and all atheism
offers is this ENDLESS DESPAIR at the world, WHINING about nature and
existence, whilst others EMBRACE the impermanence and uncertaintly
of physical life, enjoy it and celebrate how precious consciousness
is in a vast unthinking universe.. Joy Gives US WINGS..
and these poor atheist sad sacks are mewling infants who
want ALL PROBLEMS solved FOR THEM, RIGHT NOW.. Whaaah Whaaa Whaaaa!

B^D

I can see what theists have achieved in a mere 10,000 years
and understand why atheists hate life and their own inability
to achieve anything or even change their sense of bitter resentment
at being born.. but no one can help you, because you have
ABANDONED ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR FATE and absurdly, hilariously,
ridiculously BLAME THE GOD YOU PRETEND NOT TO BELEIVE IN for everything
wrong with you!!!!

If the WORLD IS NATURAL, then you are the MOST UNNATURAL things in it!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAAA

Atheists, the mewling infants in a fabulous COSMOS! B^D

Atheism BEGINS and ENDS with ENDLESS, EMPTY BLOVIATION:

> What is missing is all the other parts of the book,

What is missing is REASON.

Blaming the God you don't believe in for Existence? B^D

Priceless!

> examine writers and artists like Hegel, Dostoyevsky, Epicurus
> and Nietzsche.

From graffitti at Monash University decades ago:

God is Dead" - Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is Dead" - God

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

When Nietzsche wrote "God is Dead (in the hearts of mankind)"
he went on to describe the horrors which would follow such
a loss of faith.. and the 20th century proved him right.


> "Is Sade an atheist?"

He was cewtainly

> " He was indifferent, wicked or cruel"

Sure, we all know avout sadism, it's just that
unlike atheists we don't share it, with de Sade!

> Sade's greatest work ends with a
> demonstration of the stupidity and spite of

de Sade.

> socialism is not only a question of the working
> classes


Lenin and Snot Balneave agree:

"Communism, of course, is an ideology, of which atheism is a part of."

- Scott Balneave explaining how atheism is part of Lenin's IDEOLOGY.


Lenin, Scott Balneave's ideological mentor, saying the same thing;

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Atheist tyrant Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

> a question of atheism,

> the tower of Babel, which is constructed
> without God�s help, not to reach to the heavens, but to bring the
> heavens down to earth.� (which is actually a Dostoyevsky quote).

�We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.�
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper

�Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!� (early Soviet slogan)

"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853


> philanthropy is a hoax.

According to the atheist sociopaths who lack compassion:

> Atheistic philosophies, which
> culminate in the cult of the State and of Man,

> At the end of the day, Camus was an atheist: "If there is a sin
> against life, it consists

In all the atheist DESPAIR and BLAMING GOD for the NATURAL WORLD..
like mewling infants throwing a tantrum when Mummy doesn't just
GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHHA

> Atheists ARE rebels

Oh Sure, just look ate EVERY atheist state and see what they
did to ANYONE who rebelled!

FORCED INDOCTRINATION, TERROR, TORTURE, GULAGS, SHOW TRIALS,
NO FREEDOM, NO VOTES, NO DEMOCRACY, ....NO HOPE

Atheist state reveal the atheist DELUSION in all of it's HORROR!

> They rebel against the notion of

GOODNESS, FREEDOM, RESPONSIBILITY, COMPASSION, LOVE,
PURPOSE...

> Cheers,

Thanks but I prefer if you just applaud politely,
I don't want to encourage the cult of personality
among atheists, Lenin, Steve Knight, Stalin, Mao..
all show what SUCKERS you atheists are for it!

> Dreamer

- taking a holiday from reality.


> AA 2306

about 30 of them real enough to be present in USENET! B^D





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[fasgnadh]

raven1 slams RBrownnose for writing shit - KOOK FIGHT! :

> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:41:57 GMT, "R Brown" <bro...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Do you expect us to read this shit and respond to it?

No, you can't read anything more challenging than comix,
you certainly can't understand anything more complex than
instructions on a cornflakes box,
and as your ex says, your responses are always flaccid.

>>> Steve Knight,likes to Mass-Debate with Ravin1 and Brownnose;
>>>> raven1 never debates me, just Mass-debates ABOUT ME

This sub thread is proof!

I don't know why atheists come to discussion groups when
they have no interest in discussion, and no ability to consider
views outside their own, limited, dogmatism.

Q.E.D.

>> Of course, now you can say, "Therefore I win!!"

No need, you three lightweights have provided proof of it! B^D

>> Sad really.

Only for you atheist trolls who can't debate the facts:

<unsnip to see what the atheists are RINNING FROM: >

>>> On 10/04/2013 10:21 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> Steve Knight,likes to Mass-Debate with Ravin1 and Brownnose;
>>>>> raven1 never debates me, just Mass-debates ABOUT ME:
>>>>>> The best "R Brownnose could manage was "Collingwood Supporter":
>>>>
>>>> As No atheist has any proof for the atheist Beliefs I have documented
>>>> in this thread, (and that is clear to all rational readers),
>>>> I want to take some time out to document in detail how atheist
>>>> trolls work to evade issues when their irrationality has been proven.
>>>>
>>>> I will demonstrate the following propositions;
>>>>
>>>> Atheist's debate SOME of those they label as trolls, only if they
>>>> are fundies and nutjobs, because then, by comparison, the atheists
>>>> can almost look intelligent! B^D
>>>> They also respond to those who assist the atheists in CHANGING THE
>>>> SUBJECT, by doing the SNIP part of the atheist SNIP-AND-RUN-from-the
>>>> -topic gambit, because the atheists are themselves trolls! B^]
>>>>
>>>> You see RBrownose, Ravin1, and Steve knight, the atheist Warlord(sic)
>>>> and hate-filled anti-theist sociopath, ALL OF whom ceased to debate me
>>>> after I kicked their arses around USENET for years, doing just that;
>>>>
>>>> One snips the substantive issue and has a little cry, and the others,

>>>> now safe from any IDEAS, ISSUES or EVIDENCE, can LIE *ABOUT* ME,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How atheists fudge their numbers and deny that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism is merely "non-belief in deities":
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <eb753b91-7519-4e24...@googlegroups.com> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Forgive a newbie's ignorance... # what's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BAAWA and aa followed with numbers? # From: hypatiab7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hypa...@comcast.net> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # On Thursday, March 28, 2013 Dreamer In Colore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # > Hypatia set the cat among the atheist pigeons:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # >>your name and/or nickname:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # > Dreamer Incolore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any sockpuppet will be counted as a real person! B^D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's how dishonest atheists fudge their figures!



Any cursory examination of posters in USENET can see there are not

2300 active atheists, not even 2% of that! B^D

# Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers
# Date: 18 Jun 1994 10:00:03 +0100
#
# AN INTRODUCTION TO ATHEISM
#
# [i01] "What is atheism?"
#
# "atheists go further, and believe that
# particular gods do not exist."
#
# http://www.skeptictank.org/files//atheist/atheistf.htm

#
# Atheists have anti-religious anti-theist beliefs.

It's AS I SAID, atheism is a belief.. THEY JUST HAVE NO PROOF!

> Fasgnadh seems to be under the impression that he's any more worthy of
> "debating" than a homeless crackhead screaming in the street at the
> wind.

" raven1 never debates me, just Mass-debates ABOUT ME" B^]

As long as everyone witnesses their faiure to refute the facts, B^]
their weeping and impotent gnashing of teeth is
an unintentional bonus!

> BAAWA

Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape:

BAAWA proves what Snot Balneave says is the problem with atheism:



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"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."

[R Brown]

fasgnadh flatters himself again.

> raven1 slams RBrownnose for writing shit - KOOK FIGHT! :
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:41:57 GMT, "R Brown" <bro...@nowhere.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Do you expect us to read this shit and respond to it?
>
> No, you can't read anything more challenging than comix,
> you certainly can't understand anything more complex than
> instructions on a cornflakes box,
> and as your ex says, your responses are always flaccid.
>

Ad hom noted.

> >>> Steve Knight,likes to Mass-Debate with Ravin1 and Brownnose;
> >>>> raven1 never debates me, just Mass-debates ABOUT ME
>
> This sub thread is proof!
>
> I don't know why atheists come to discussion groups when
> they have no interest in discussion, and no ability to consider
> views outside their own, limited, dogmatism.
>
> Q.E.D.
>
> > > Of course, now you can say, "Therefore I win!!"
>
> No need, you three lightweights have provided proof of it! B^D
>
> > > Sad really.
>
> Only for you atheist trolls who can't debate the facts:
>

fasgnadh facts? Who cares? They're not worth the hole in a chicken's
ass. Your "facts" are just the trolling of another usenet loon.

You know you're nuts, right?

<snip repetitious screed>


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