Atheists side with the Pharisees against Jesus, claiming he existed, and was blasphemous! 8^o
fasgnadh
"An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
Priceless!
They believe in Jesus!
But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
their anti-religious campaign!
AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
WAS Blasphemous!
What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
"sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
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B J Foster
>
> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>
> http://www.atheist.ie/
>
> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
>
> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>
> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>
> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
Crap. Where does it say hat they believe in Jesus?
They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland) is
inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
You either know this, in which case your argument is in bad faith, or
you don't, in which case you're an idiot.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh defends Jesus from atheist slander and vilification:
>>
>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>>
>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>
>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
>>
>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>
>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>
>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>>
>>
>> They believe in Jesus!
>>
>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>> their anti-religious campaign!
>
Haven't you been toilet trained YET? B^p
> Where does it say hat they believe in Jesus?
Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
wouldn't you BJ? ;-)
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA
You are a Fucking Idjut, BJ! B^D
Are you saying their evidence is all imaginary?
Well, it IS a documented fact that atheists are well known
for their forgery and lies;
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/241e548808b786f8?hl=en
but I'm surprised to see you on the side of atheists and pharisees
trying to railroad Jesus on a blasphemy charge in the Kangaroo
Court of atheist OPINION! uninformed as it is! B^p
I mean.. he can't even DEFEND himself! ;-)
> They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland) is
> inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
I read their website.. they never said anything of the sort, you
pathetic liar!
*I* quoted them, verbatim, and they quoted JESUS from the BIBLE,
to make their case.
If you are saying this is a case of FALSE WITNESS, then it is the
ATHEISTS and YOU who have committed perjury! B^p
Here is the atheist account, their first example of what THEY
claim to be 'Blasphemy'
#
# 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
# in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
# I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
# man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
# in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
# Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
# deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
# they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
They QUOTE Jesus and claim that those words are an example of
BLASPHEMY.. the first in their list of 24 other QUOTES!
I can see that you and the atheists are incoinsistent.
Give us the details of the historical examples where you
imagine some unspecified inconsistency exists'
Use the example of Jesus, IF YOU THINK HE EXISTED! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
But you will still have to show where the 'blasphemy' is. B^]
To me it looks like a show trial. B^p
You know Show Trials, BJ, they were the massive frauds
run by atheist regimes when they wanted to railroad
hundreds of thousands of victims who had blasphemed the
atheist regime.. just part of the 70,000,000 terrorised
tortured, lied to and killed by the atheist tyrannies
I see no evidence of Jesus breaking Jewish law by what he said.
( And of course, if he IS a messenger of God, well, you know,
YHWH does what He Wills.. and you can just bitch and whine
about it, as usual! ;^)
You either know this, in which case your argument is in
bad faith, or you don't, in which case you're an idiot.
and In your case, both are probably true
>> AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
>> WAS Blasphemous!
>>
>> What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
>> atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
>>
>> Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
>> not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
>> Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
>>
>> Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
>> "sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
>> religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
>> support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>> They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
>> under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
So far no one has been able to show that Jesus committed blasphemy,
and now we have doubts about the atheist 'evidence'! 8^o
falsus in uno, falsis in omnibus
all we have,in that case, is ATHEIST OPINION! B^D
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
> pile of bull shit.
>>
>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
Can't even open a post without lying.
THERE IS NO law against blasphemy.
That's only a part of your deranged fairy tales.
>>
>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>
>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
If I find flaws in the script, and logic, of a Superman comic book - that,
in no way, shape or form, indicates I believe Superman is actually a real
person.
Your ignorance, and mental corruption, seems to know no bounds.
>>
>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>
>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>
>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>
> Crap. Where does it say that they believe in Jesus?
> They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland) is
> inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
>
> You either know this, in which case your argument is in bad faith, or you
> don't, in which case you're an idiot.
>
>>
>> Priceless!
>>
>> They believe in Jesus!
>>
>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>> their anti-religious campaign!
>>
>> AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
>> WAS Blasphemous!
>>
>> What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
>> atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
>>
>> Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
>> not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
>> Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
>>
>> Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
>> "sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
>> religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
>> support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>> They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
>> under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
Bull shit!
A very large part OF religion is based on hatred of all other religions and
people.
Since ALL religions have absolutely no evidence, there is nothing that sets
them apart from fairy tales.
You CANNOT have "hate speech" against fairy tales. (Unless, of course,
you're an ignorant religious fanatic insanely whining about Harry Potter).
But the final answer - if our freedoms give you the right to act like your
deranged religious beliefs are sacrosanct;
those same freedoms give others the right to act like your religious beliefs
(including anything related to blasphemy) are nothing but slimy bullshit.
You are no different than the Muslim terrorists who threaten death to anyone
who fails to honor Muhammad they way THEY command.
Uncle Arnold
>> fasgnadh wrote: yet
>> another pile of bull shit.
>>>
>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy
>>> law by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its
>>> website."
>
> Can't even open a post without lying.
> THERE IS NO law against blasphemy.
Ireland now has a blasphemy law, you stupid piece of shit. You are a
disgrace to atheism, you witless, ignorant wankflannel.
Catch up with reality, shit-for-brains:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
A.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
Good for them.
Eire should move into the 21st century.
In article
<da5b25cb-e210-40f1...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Immortalist <reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...an alternative to traditional religion by the Humanist chaplain at
> Harvard University
>
> With the current state of the economy, the ongoing wars that rage
> across the globe, and the unsettling changes to the earth's climate,
> questions about the role of God and religion in world affairs have
> never been more relevant or felt more powerfully. Many of us are
> searching for a place where we can find not only facts and scientific
> reason but also hope and the moral courage needed to overcome such
> challenges. For some, answers to the most challenging questions are
> found in the divine. For others, including the New Atheists, religion
> has no place in the world and is, in fact, an "enemy."
>
> But in Good Without God, Greg Epstein presents another, more balanced
> and inclusive response: Humanism. With a focus on the positive, he
> highlights humanity's potential for goodness and the ways in which
> Humanists lead lives of purpose and compassion. Humanism can offer the
> sense of community we want and often need in good times and bad, as we
> celebrate marriages and the birth of our children, and as we care for
> those who are elderly or sick. In short, Humanism teaches us that we
> can lead good and moral lives without supernaturalism, without higher
> powers . . . without God.
>
> In this constructive response not only to his fellow atheists Richard
> Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris but also to contemporary
> religious leaders such as Rick Warren and Jim Wallis, Epstein makes a
> bold claim for what nonbelievers do share and believe. At a time when
> the debate about morality rages more fiercely than ever�and when
> millions are searching for something they can put their faith in�
> Humanism offers a comfort and hope that affirms our ability to live
> ethical lives of personal fulfillment, aspiring together for the
> greater good of all.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Good-Without-God-Billion-Nonreligious/dp/0061670111
B J Foster
Certainly, but can you???
Where exactly does this statement imply that a person named 'Jesus
Christ' claimed that he was the 'son of God' *and* assert that it was true?
"Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
'Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven'. According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests
and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous,
and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it".
>
> In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
> They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
>
> You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
> wouldn't you BJ? ;-)
No you wouldn't, you silly idiot, if a mad-hatter such as yourself
claimed that he was the 'son of God' then that too would be blasphemous
UNLESS IT WAS TRUE.
Silly fool - Jeez, you're thick!
fasgnadh
>B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>
> Can't even open a post without lying.
Perhaps you shouldn't open any posts then, if you are just
going to lie compulsively! 8^o
> THERE IS NO law against blasphemy.
Please read the news, no one can take a complete moron such as you
seriously!
>>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>>
>>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
when the facts can't be refuted, atheists attempt
argument by analogy.. always weak:
> If I find flaws in the script, and logic, of a Superman comic book
Are you saying atheists use Fiction for their 25 examples
of Blasphemy?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
> that, in no way, shape or form, indicates I believe Superman
> is actually a real person.
It does if you claim Kryptonite is one of 25 examples
you offer to the public of an ELEMENT!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAAA!
Do you have to practice to COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT
or are you just congenitally moronic?
The atheists have cited Jesus as the first of 25 people
who they claim have committed "blasphemy"
How can they claim Jesus committed blasphemy, or
was wrongly CONVICTED, if he did not exist??????
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If he didn't exist, then the atheist 'evidence' is worthless.
> ignorance, and mental corruption, seems to know no bounds.
not in any atheist newsgroup, whatsoever!
>
>
>>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>>
>>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>>
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>>
>> Crap.
Haven't you been toilet trained YET? B^p
>> Where does it say that they believe in Jesus?
Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
wouldn't you, BJ? ;-)
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA
You are a Fucking Idjut, BJ! B^D
Are you saying their evidence is all imaginary?
Well, it IS a documented fact that atheists are well known
for their forgery and lies;
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/241e548808b786f8?hl=en
but I'm surprised to see you on the side of atheists and pharisees
trying to railroad Jesus on a blasphemy charge in the Kangaroo
Court of atheist OPINION! uninformed as it is! B^p
I mean.. he can't even DEFEND himself! ;-)
>> They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland) is
>> inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
You either know this, in which case your argument is in
bad faith, or you don't, in which case you're an idiot.
and In your case, both are probably true
>>> Priceless!
>>>
>>> They believe in Jesus!
>>>
>>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>>> their anti-religious campaign!
>>>
>>> AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
>>> WAS Blasphemous!
Neither the Sanhedrin nor the atheists have been able to
show how Jesus blasphemed.. can you?
"And, desiring to get at the reason for their attack on him,
I took him down to their Sanhedrin:
Then it became clear to me that it was a question of their law, and that
nothing was said against him which might be a reason for prison or
death." Acts 23:28-29
>>> What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
>>> atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
Well, no one has any evidence AGAINST Jesus, so he
is innocent of the charge and must go free! 8^)
>>> Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
>>> not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
>>> Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
No one can show any crime.. the charges against Jesus are false!
>>> Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
>>> "sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
>>> religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
>>> support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
>>>
>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>>
>>> They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
>>> under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
>
> Bull shit!
You are not very adept at rational argument are you.
Your emotive outbursts are not REASON. And following your
irrational abuse with mere OPINION, devoid of supporting evidence
is pathetic;
> A very large part OF religion is based on hatred of all
> other religions and people.
Your unfounded beliefs are worthless.
There is no significant religious hatred in the MAJORITY
RELIGIOUS society I live in, nor in the USA, Europe, Canada
or any of the Free, Democratic, open MAJORITY religious societies
even you atheist HYPOCRITES choose to live in!
And none of them have exhibited religious animosity to the degree
of the terror torture and mass murder of over 70,000,000 people
by the atheist regimes!
I will be happy to consider any religion you can show responsible
for the death of 70,000,000 as atheist regimes are!
Atheists claim "There is no God"
But they have NO PROOF! It's just un unfounded BELIEF
This is just OFF-TOPIC, irrelevant BABBLE;
> Since ALL religions have absolutely no evidence, there is nothing that sets
> them apart from
atheism
> You CANNOT have "hate speech" against fairy tales.
You are such a dimwitted liar.. the hate speech targets THEISTs,
it has nothing to do with proof for the existence or non existence
of God, as neither of you have any! B^]
> (Unless, of course, you're an ignorant
atheist claiming that Jesus was guilty of Blasphemy
but you don't think he existed! pfffffft! B^D
> But the final answer
Oh dear, this lunatic believes he has the Final Solution... the Last
Word! Despite his track record of having NO ANSWERS so far!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
> - if our freedoms
the freedoms that MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in MAJORITY
RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES have created..
> give you
minority atheists, living in the open, democratic societies created
by the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS population
> the right to act like your
> beliefs are sacrosanct;
then atheists should abandon their hate filled anti-theism and show
some fucking GRATITUDE, because, as atheists complain about Christians
posting in alt.atheism, "if you piss on their beliefs, they may tire
of you and pass laws curbing your violent abuse and vilification:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
> those same freedoms give others the right
only so long as the Majority religious democracies extend it..
> to act like your
atheist
> beliefs (including anything related to blasphemy) are nothing but slimy bullshit.
I have enjoyed your total inability to explain how
Jesus is one of the atheists 25 listed examples of
blasphemy when you can neither show in what way he blasphemed,
nor make up your mind if he existed or the atheists
are liars who use fiction as invalid 'evidence'! B^]
But your insane ranting is simply absurd, especially as I have said
I don't favour blasphemy laws, I think you should be prosecuted
for hate-crimes, threatening violence and advocating genocide
(and as the atheist regimes carried it out in the last 7 decades,
we have good reason to believe your threats) and under anti-vilification
laws.
Australia has some. A test case has already shown that action against
US citizens can be taken in Australian courts for breaches of
anti-vilification laws.
Religions in countries with similar legislation will no doubt consider
taking on the moral shitpigs who advocate murder and Genocide, as
the Atheist warlord has done, with the support of the alt.atheism NG!
Atheists are no different from neo-Nazis, except that they want to
repeat their mass murders of the theists they hate, and their holocausts
were bigger;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
> You are no different than the Muslim terrorists who threaten death to anyone
Apart from the small fact that I don't threaten death to anyone! B^)
You fuckwit! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAA
Atheists do!
# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
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# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#
# On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
# >
# > We kill theists and shit down their throats
# >
# > Warlord Steve
# > BAAWA
#
# ------------------------------------------------------------------
# BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant
Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats. 8^o
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh showed atheists QUOTING Jesus, claiming he blasphemed:
On the website called "atheist ireland publishes 25 blasphemous quotes"
The first person they QUOTE and label a 'blasphemer' is Jesus! 8^o
we all know the Sanhedrin accused Him.. but here we have THE
ATHEISTS accusing him!!!!!!
They clearly acknowledge.. Jesus existed! Q.E.D.
Apparently BJ thinks atheists are in the habit of quoting Jesus,
along with 24 other REAL PEOPLE, calling them all blasphemers,
and then trying to tell us they don't exist!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
Priceless!
>> Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
>
> Certainly, but can you???
Sure, I have told you more than THREE times now that the
atheist website published TWENTY FIVE blasphemous QUOTES.
All from people the atheists claim have committed BLASPHEMY! B^]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(they don't actually PROVE that what Jesus said was blasphemy,
(atheists never have proof, and besides it WASN'T ;-) but that
is not the issue)
Here is what they say about the 25 QUOTES:
"Despite these quotes being abusive and insulting in
relation to matters held sacred by various religions,
we unreservedly support the right of these people to
^^^^^^^^^^^^
have published or uttered them, and we unreservedly
support the right of any Irish citizen to make
comparable statements"
B^D BJ is arguing that atheists support the rights of
people who DON'T EXIST!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAA
Well, certainly, no atheist regime ever supported the
rights of people who DO EXIST! BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA!
Here's the website, can you read it's URL?
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes/
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
Now BJ, unable to hold his ground anymore, changes his position from
denying that atheists believe Jesus exists to some other irrelevant
bullshit that is just a feeble GROUND SHIFT to matters I have ALREADY
TOLD HIM: [he's done and dusted! B^]
fasgnadh
Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
and declare they will support:
"2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
�Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
Jesus as a god.
Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
there was such a man WHO WAS ALSO A GOD.
And none of Fasgnadh's ditherings have in any way supported that claim.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On the website called "atheist ireland publishes 25 blasphemous quotes"
>
> The first person they QUOTE and label a 'blasphemer' is Jesus!
>
> we all know the Sanhedrin accused Him.. but here we have THE
> ATHEISTS accusing him!!!!!!
So far, we have only heard the case for the defence.
Fairness requires we also listen to the case for the prosecution before
making up our minds.
But those whose minds are already made up despise fairness.
>
> They clearly acknowledge.. Jesus existed!
So did Al Capone. So what?
>
> >> Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
> >
> > Certainly, but can you???
>
> Sure, I have told you more than THREE times now that the
> atheist website published TWENTY FIVE blasphemous QUOTES.
Those quotes are not necessarily blasphemous unless Jesus was actually
god, which issue has not yet been settled.
>
> All from people the atheists claim have committed BLASPHEMY!
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (they don't actually PROVE that what Jesus said was blasphemy,
Did the Sanhedrin say it was blasphemy. If so, that was apparently at
the time sufficient to indite. We have heard the defence case innumealbe
times, and now the defenders wish to silence the prosecution.
Since the prosecution prevailed and sentence has been carried out, it is
too late for the defence to reopen the case.
>
> Here is what they say about the 25 QUOTES:
>
> "Despite these quotes being abusive and insulting in
> relation to matters held sacred by various religions,
> we unreservedly support the right of these people to
> have published or uttered them, and we unreservedly
> support the right of any Irish citizen to make
> comparable statements"
>
> B^D BJ is arguing that atheists support the rights of
> people who DON'T EXIST!!!
> Here's the website, can you read it's URL?
>
> http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes
> /
Which begins <quote>
From today, 1 January 2010, the new Irish blasphemy law becomes
operational, and we begin our campaign to have it repealed. Blasphemy is
now a crime punishable by a �25,000 fine. The new law defines blasphemy
as publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in
relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby intentionally
causing outrage among a substantial number of adherents of that
religion, with some defences permitted.
This new law is both silly and dangerous. It is silly because medieval
religious laws have no place in a modern secular republic, where the
criminal law should protect people and not ideas. And it is dangerous
because it incentives religious outrage, and because Islamic States led
by Pakistan are already using the wording of this Irish law to promote
new blasphemy laws at UN level.
We believe in the golden rule: that we have a right to be treated
justly, and that we have a responsibility to treat other people justly.
Blasphemy laws are unjust: they silence people in order to protect
ideas. In a civilised society, people have a right to to express and to
hear ideas about religion even if other people find those ideas to be
outrageous.
<unquote>
It was the establishment of equally repressive laws in England that
sparked the American colonies escape from repression.
And now those like Fasgnadh seek to support the reintroduction of of
such suppression.
When speech can be so repressed, freedom and justice die.
>
> > Where exactly does this statement imply that a person named 'Jesus
> > Christ' claimed that he was the 'son of God' *and* assert that it was true?
> >
> > "Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
> > 'Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
> > Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
> > of heaven'. According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests
> > and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous,
> > and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it".
> >
> >>
> >> In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
> >> They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
> >>
> >> You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
> >> wouldn't you BJ?
Would you have to be god, or would it be enough merely to be off your
rocker, to be able to claim that you are god?
It is not Jesus existence as a man which is at issue, but his existence
as a god.
And claiming to be god does not make one a god.
And a Jew claiming to be a god may well have been blasphemous according
to the local laws at that time. Nowadays, of course, we would merely
force such a person to see a shrink.
B J Foster
> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>
> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
> Jesus as a god.
Did you have to spell it out?
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
> >> fasgnadh lies again:
> >>>
> >>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
> >>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
> >
> > Fasgnadh can't even open a post without lying.
>
Perhaps Fasgnadh shouldn't open any posts then, if he isjust
going to lie compulsively!
>
> > THERE IS NO law against blasphemy.
There is now in Eire:
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-q
uotes/
But that loss of freedoms is what you get when ANY theist religion gets
a strangle hold on a nation. If this law on blasphemy holds up in Eire,
other repressions will soon follow.
> >>>
> >>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
> >>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS
And simultaneously claim that Jesus is not god (if he were it would be
no blasphemy for anyone to say so).
> > If I find flaws in the script, and logic, of a Superman comic book
>
> Are you saying theists use Fiction
Yup!
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-q
uotes/
List of the 25 allegedly Blasphemous Quotes Published by 'Atheist
Ireland' from the above site:
1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
�Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven.� According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests
and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous,
and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44: �Ye are
of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He
was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because
there is no truth in him.� This is one of several chapters in the
Christian Bible that can give a scriptural foundation to Christian
anti-Semitism. The first part of John 8, the story of �whoever is
without sin cast the first stone�, was not in the original version, but
was added centuries later. The original John 8 is a debate between Jesus
and some Jews. In brief, Jesus calls the Jews who disbelieve him sons of
the Devil, the Jews try to stone him, and Jesus runs away and hides.
3. Muhammad, quoted in Hadith of Bukhari, Vol 1 Book 8 Hadith 427: �May
Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship
at the graves of their prophets.� This quote is attributed to Muhammad
on his death-bed as a warning to Muslims not to copy this practice of
the Jews and Christians. It is one of several passages in the Koran and
in Hadith that can give a scriptural foundation to Islamic
anti-Semitism, including the assertion in Sura 5:60 that Allah cursed
Jews and turned some of them into apes and swine.
4. Mark Twain, describing the Christian Bible in Letters from the Earth,
1909: �Also it has another name � The Word of God. For the Christian
thinks every word of it was dictated by God. It is full of interest. It
has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched
history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of
a thousand lies� But you notice that when the Lord God of Heaven and
Earth, adored Father of Man, goes to war, there is no limit. He is
totally without mercy � he, who is called the Fountain of Mercy. He
slays, slays, slays! All the men, all the beasts, all the boys, all the
babies; also all the women and all the girls, except those that have not
been deflowered. He makes no distinction between innocent and guilty�
What the insane Father required was blood and misery; he was indifferent
as to who furnished it.� Twain�s book was published posthumously in
1939. His daughter, Clara Clemens, at first objected to it being
published, but later changed her mind in 1960 when she believed that
public opinion had grown more tolerant of the expression of such ideas.
That was half a century before Fianna Fail and the Green Party imposed a
new blasphemy law on the people of Ireland.
5. Tom Lehrer, The Vatican Rag, 1963: �Get in line in that processional,
step into that small confessional. There, the guy who�s got religion�ll
tell you if your sin�s original. If it is, try playing it safer, drink
the wine and chew the wafer. Two, four, six, eight, time to
transubstantiate!�
6. Randy Newman, God�s Song, 1972: �And the Lord said: I burn down your
cities � how blind you must be. I take from you your children, and you
say how blessed are we. You all must be crazy to put your faith in me.
That�s why I love mankind.�
7. James Kirkup, The Love That Dares to Speak its Name, 1976: �While
they prepared the tomb I kept guard over him. His mother and the
Magdalen had gone to fetch clean linen to shroud his nakedness. I was
alone with him� I laid my lips around the tip of that great cock, the
instrument of our salvation, our eternal joy. The shaft, still throbbed,
anointed with death�s final ejaculation.� This extract is from a poem
that led to the last successful blasphemy prosecution in Britain, when
Denis Lemon was given a suspended prison sentence after he published it
in the now-defunct magazine Gay News. In 2002, a public reading of the
poem, on the steps of St. Martin-in-the-Fields church in Trafalgar
Square, failed to lead to any prosecution. In 2008, the British
Parliament abolished the common law offences of blasphemy and
blasphemous libel.
8. Matthias, son of Deuteronomy of Gath, in Monty Python�s Life of
Brian, 1979: �Look, I had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was
that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.�
9. Rev Ian Paisley MEP to the Pope in the European Parliament, 1988: �I
denounce you as the Antichrist.� Paisley�s website describes the
Antichrist as being �a liar, the true son of the father of lies, the
original liar from the beginning� he will imitate Christ, a diabolical
imitation, Satan transformed into an angel of light, which will deceive
the world.�
10. Conor Cruise O�Brien, 1989: �In the last century the Arab thinker
Jamal al-Afghani wrote: �Every Muslim is sick and his only remedy is in
the Koran.� Unfortunately the sickness gets worse the more the remedy is
taken.�
11. Frank Zappa, 1989: �If you want to get together in any exclusive
situation and have people love you, fine � but to hang all this
desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book,
who knows if you�ve been bad or good � and cares about any of it � to
hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working.�
12. Salman Rushdie, 1990: �The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of
the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn
other ideas � uncertainty, progress, change � into crimes.� In 1989,
Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran issued a fatwa ordering Muslims to kill
Rushdie because of blasphemous passages in Rushdie�s novel The Satanic
Verses.
13. Bjork, 1995: �I do not believe in religion, but if I had to choose
one it would be Buddhism. It seems more livable, closer to men� I�ve
been reading about reincarnation, and the Buddhists say we come back as
animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren�t
lesser beings, they�re just like us. So I say fuck the Buddhists.�
14. Amanda Donohoe on her role in the Ken Russell movie Lair of the
White Worm, 1995: �Spitting on Christ was a great deal of fun. I can�t
embrace a male god who has persecuted female sexuality throughout the
ages, and that persecution still goes on today all over the world.�
15. George Carlin, 1999: �Religion easily has the greatest bullshit
story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people
that there�s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything
you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special
list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of
these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and
burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and
suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever �til the
end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He
always needs money! He�s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and
all-wise, somehow just can�t handle money! Religion takes in billions of
dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now,
talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!�
16. Paul Woodfull as Ding Dong Denny O�Reilly, The Ballad of Jaysus
Christ, 2000: �He said me ma�s a virgin and sure no one disagreed, Cause
they knew a lad who walks on water�s handy with his feet� Jaysus oh
Jaysus, as cool as bleedin� ice, With all the scrubbers in Israel he
could not be enticed, Jaysus oh Jaysus, it�s funny you never rode, Cause
it�s you I do be shoutin� for each time I shoot me load.�
17. Jesus Christ, in Jerry Springer The Opera, 2003: �Actually, I�m a
bit gay.� In 2005, the Christian Institute tried to bring a prosecution
against the BBC for screening Jerry Springer the Opera, but the UK
courts refused to issue a summons.
18. Tim Minchin, Ten-foot Cock and a Few Hundred Virgins, 2005: �So
you�re gonna live in paradise, With a ten-foot cock and a few hundred
virgins, So you�re gonna sacrifice your life, For a shot at the greener
grass, And when the Lord comes down with his shiny rod of judgment, He�s
gonna kick my heathen ass.�
19. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion, 2006: �The God of the Old
Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction:
jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a
vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic,
racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential,
megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.� In 2007
Turkish publisher Erol Karaaslan was charged with the crime of insulting
believers for publishing a Turkish translation of The God Delusion. He
was acquitted in 2008, but another charge was brought in 2009. Karaaslan
told the court that �it is a right to criticise religions and beliefs as
part of the freedom of thought and expression.�
20. Pope Benedict XVI quoting a 14th century Byzantine emperor, 2006:
�Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find
things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword
the faith he preached.� This statement has already led to both outrage
and condemnation of the outrage. The Organisation of the Islamic
Conference, the world�s largest Muslim body, said it was a �character
assassination of the prophet Muhammad�. The Malaysian Prime Minister
said that �the Pope must not take lightly the spread of outrage that has
been created.� Pakistan�s foreign Ministry spokesperson said that
�anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages
violence�. The European Commission said that �reactions which are
disproportionate and which are tantamount to rejecting freedom of speech
are unacceptable.�
21. Christopher Hitchens in God is not Great, 2007: �There is some
question as to whether Islam is a separate religion at all� Islam when
examined is not much more than a rather obvious and ill-arranged set of
plagiarisms, helping itself from earlier books and traditions as
occasion appeared to require� It makes immense claims for itself,
invokes prostrate submission or �surrender� as a maxim to its adherents,
and demands deference and respect from nonbelievers into the bargain.
There is nothing-absolutely nothing-in its teachings that can even begin
to justify such arrogance and presumption.�
22. PZ Myers, on the Roman Catholic communion host, 2008: �You would not
believe how many people are writing to me, insisting that these horrible
little crackers (they look like flattened bits of styrofoam) are
literally pieces of their god, and that this omnipotent being who
created the universe can actually be seriously harmed by some third-rate
liberal intellectual at a third-rate university� However, inspired by an
old woodcut of Jews stabbing the host, I thought of a simple, quick
thing to do: I pierced it with a rusty nail (I hope Jesus�s tetanus
shots are up to date). And then I simply threw it in the trash, followed
by the classic, decorative items of trash cans everywhere, old
coffeegrounds and a banana peel.�
23. Ian O�Doherty, 2009: �(If defamation of religion was illegal) it
would be a crime for me to say that the notion of transubstantiation is
so ridiculous that even a small child should be able to see the insanity
and utter physical impossibility of a piece of bread and some wine
somehow taking on corporeal form. It would be a crime for me to say that
Islam is a backward desert superstition that has no place in modern,
enlightened Europe and it would be a crime to point out that Jewish
settlers in Israel who believe they have a God given right to take the
land are, frankly, mad. All the above assertions will, no doubt, offend
someone or other.�
24. Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O�Connor, 2009: �Whether a person is atheist
or any other, there is in fact in my view something not totally human if
they leave out the transcendent� we call it God� I think that if you
leave that out you are not fully human.� Because atheism is not a
religion, the Irish blasphemy law does not protect atheists from abusive
and insulting statements about their fundamental beliefs. While atheists
are not seeking such protection, we include the statement here to point
out that it is discriminatory that this law does not hold all citizens
equal.
25. Dermot Ahern, Irish Minister for Justice, introducing his blasphemy
law at an Oireachtas Justice Committee meeting, 2009, and referring to
comments made about him personally: �They are blasphemous.� Deputy Pat
Rabbitte replied: �Given the Minister�s self-image, it could very well
be that we are blaspheming,� and Minister Ahern replied: �Deputy
Rabbitte says that I am close to the baby Jesus, I am so pure.� So here
we have an Irish Justice Minister joking about himself being blasphemed,
at a parliamentary Justice Committee discussing his own blasphemy law,
that could make his own jokes illegal.
Virgil
> "Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
> 'Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
> Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
> of heaven'. According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests
> and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous,
> and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it".
If it were actually Jesus CHRIST who was being asked, he would already
have to have been cruxified, so the Bible boobed. Again. As usual.
Lou Ravi
Sorry, wrong. christ/christus just means anointed (see 'chrism'), it has
nothing to do with crucifixion.
Virgil
B J Foster <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
> > In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> > fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
> >
> > Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
> > but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
> > Jesus as a god.
>
> Did you have to spell it out?
There are lots of theists for whom even spelling it out does not get
through to them.
XaurreauX
> through to them.
>
>
>
> > > Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
> > > man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
As an atheist who understands that "Jesus Christ" is a myth, I feel
there is strong inferential evidence that this myth is based upon an
actual person or persons. Because lies, deception and obfuscation are
really their only defense, superstitionists such as fasgnadh, are
forced to pretend that recognition of this distinct possibility by non-
Christians is tantamount to "believing" in Jesus. It is highly
unlikely, but I think it would be both fascinating and amusing if they
found his body.
Uncle Arnold
>
> As an atheist who understands that "Jesus Christ" is a myth, I feel
> there is strong inferential evidence that this myth is based upon an
> actual person or persons.
And this 'strong inferential evidence' is ... uh, ... *what exactly*...?
Do, please, feel free to type it out for us in a way that doesn't make it
seem *stupidly insubstantial*...
Thanks!
A.
B J Foster
'dogmatic'
fasgnadh
> I am going to use short simple sentences
I suppose you have to, you clearly couldn't understand
my post, which explains why all you could do is SNIP IT
ENTIRELY, run away from the uncomfortable facts it contained,
and give us your entirely irrelevant OPINION, which has
absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the ISSUE.. which I
will repost to see if you can grow a brain and comprehend:
(I'm not holding my breath! B^]
<unsnip> [atheists ALWAYS snip and run, snip and run! B^p ]
> fasgnadh a post entirely based on ATHEIST claims:
and now, none of the atheists in alt.atheism want to deal
with the uncomfortable truth their POLITICAL campaign reveals:
Note, we are dealing here with what ATHEISTs claim!! B^]
>> The first person they QUOTE and label a 'blasphemer' is Jesus! 8^o
They declare they "support the right" of all 25 people they quote
to post what the atheists say is blasphemy.
So they acknowledge the historical reality of Jesus, and use the
Bible as a reliable Primary Source!
Anyone may choose to refer to this post directly if atheist
thugs attack them, abuse them, forge their posts and then
hypocritically claim that no one but athesits can quote
scripture or discuss Jesus in (what they absurdly think of as)
THEIR NEWSGROUP! B^]
I hope everyone understands the principle at stake here.
Atheists have for years been JACKAL PACK attacking anyone
who effectively challenged their anti-theist hate mongering,
or quoted scripture to try and teach them some fundamental
honesty, integrity and decency. They have DEMANDED silence
from dissenting voices.. they have claimed their opinions
are SACROSANCT and to disagree is BLASPHEMY...
Now they are whining that someone might do the same to them!
Not has, but might, do what those hypocritical THUGS have been
doing for YEARS:
forgery, lies, slander:
and Hate filled, psychopathic VIOLENCE;
> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
> #
> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
> #
> # Warlord Steve
> # BAAWA
>
> Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
>
> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
> # Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
> # Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
> # Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
> #
> # On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
> # <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #
> # >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
> #
> # It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
> # The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
> #
> # Warlord Steve
> # BAAWA
The difference is simple. The Irish action is WITHIN the law,
it doesn't target any group, it outlaws a BEHAVIOUR!
The atheist thuggery ISN'T! B^p
Those who deliberately exhibit that behaviour, to harm others,
to vilify and preach hatred and violence.. are criminals.
I oppose blasphemy laws, I believe the atheists should be done for their
lies, vilification, abuse and slander via anti-hate speech laws!
B^]
ATHEISTS HAVE DECLARED THEY SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE
LIKE JESUS TO SPEAK!!!!!
Let that be an END to the vicious hate-speach, the vile anti-theism
the lies and slander and forgery by atheists!!
They are now following the example of the Prince of Peace!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA!
And that is all they have: B^]
> I am an atheist.
> I do not believe in God.
> Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
So you believe atheism Ireland would cite non-existent people
in it's political propaganda?
Shocking.
No one will support them if they are so dishonest!
But you are wrong, they have already stated their
SUPPORT of every utterance of every PERSON they have
quoted, and they used the BIBLE as their Primary Source;
" we unreservedly support the right of these people "
^^^^^^^^^^^^
> It is hard to prove;
Oh, we are used to you atheists being unable to
prove your unfounded claims.
But now you will all have to allow the theists
to quote other words by Jesus and all the other
messengers of God, and to dispute your unfounded
slander that what Jesus said is Blasphemy!
Clearly lots of people will want to dispute
atheist lies and propaganda IN ALT.ATHEISM!
I kow I will! B^}
But, as usual, none of you intellectual midgets
are up to a rational debate.. you just snip all
the pertinent facts and reasoned argument and
give us your ignorance and apathy:
> I am not too bothered either way.
Sure you can be bothered to post, just 'not bothered'
enough to have any rational argument!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAH
The atheist attack on
> This blasphemy law is ridiculous
and hypocritical!
Nothing compares to the atheist regimes SUPRESSION of dissent
in EVERY atheist tyranny; the Union of Savage Slaughter and
Repression(USSR) Maoist China, Pol Pots Cambodian Genocide..
which terrorised tortured and killed over 70,000,000 in the
past century!!
and now atheist hypocrites want to re-enter politics!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
They will be smashed like neo-nazis, whose holocaust
was smaller than the atheist one!
> One way to show that is to point out that this Jesus person,
> is supposed to have said something,
Great, now you have quoted him in alt.atheism, using the Bible
as a Primary Source, OTHERS HAVE THE SAME RIGHT!!!
Now you have acknowledged Jesus is a real person, albeit in your
PHONEY "Free Speech" hypocrisy, you can start CONDEMNING
the atheist jackal pack attacks, the slander, the abuse the
DEATH THREATS by violent Militant Atheists like those I
have provided documented evidence for.
Of course none of you hypocrites have ever criticised, let
alone distanced yourselves from atheist abuse of free speech..
So I suggest no one runs to your aid when you start bleating
like little bitches that someone might, someday, perhaps, maybe,
DO WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS!!
B^] This will be hilarious!
> which if he said it in "modern" Ireland, would be legally blasphemous.
B^D Prove it!
Part of the challenges I issued to you atheist THICK HEADS is that
the words of Jesus, which you atheists join the Sanhedrin in CONDEMNING
as BLASPHEMY, are NOT! B^)
You of course, snipped it, becasue atheists lack the ability to
construct REASONED arguments! B^D
Your have made the charge of Blasphemy against Jesus, he is innocent
until proven guilty.. so PROVE IT!
Read it slowly;
Don't snip it again, like a gutless intellectual coward
perhaps read it a few times; digest it piece by piece;
see if you can COMPREHEND IT, let alone refute it! B^}
take you time, we know you are quite simple, really.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
>> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
>> and declare they will support:
>>
>>
>> "2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
>> �Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
>> father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
>> and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
>>
>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
>> and support his right to say what they have quoted:
>>
>> "we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> published or uttered..."
>>
>> Priceless! B^]
>>
>>
>> Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
>> are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
>
BJ has had this explained to him
> at least 4 times.
How thick can you get?
AS THICK AS PIGSHIT! B^D
Augustus O'Muircheartaigh
> Augustus O'Muircheartaigh wrote:
> > I am going to use short simple sentences
>
> I suppose you have to, you clearly couldn't understand
> my post, which explains why all you could do is SNIP IT
> ENTIRELY, run away from the uncomfortable facts it contained,
Your posts contained a load of childish ranting and shouting.
I snipped nothing of any value. There were more or less no facts.
Here again is the simple summary of why a supposed quote from Jesus
was used to show that this is a stupid law.
"This blasphemy law is ridiculous.
One way to show that is to point out that this Jesus person,
who may not even have existed, is supposed to have said something,
which if he said it in "modern" Ireland, would be legally
blasphemous. "
It is just 2 sentences. The rest of what you rant about is
irrelevant.
I am not going to refute it point by point. That is a like a drunk in
a bar asking for a "debate" while he is roaring abuse at a group of
disinterested bystanders. You did not make any coherent points.
fasgnadh
> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>
> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
> Jesus as a god.
Fine by me. B^]
Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists! B^]
> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
> man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
The whole "Son of God" thing is way too complex for any of you new
believers in Jesus... Next you will really confuse yourselves
with that infernal Trinity.. keep it simple, Jesus on the Cross
called to God..
I don't think he was talking to himself.. do you? ;-)
> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
> there was such a man WHO WAS
as HE claimed, sent by God, and fulfilled prophecy, and
influenced the course of human history like few before
or after Him, (and they also claimed to be from God... ;-)
So you now have strong evidence of God operating in the world,
like nothing else does.. inspiring and sustaining the most
successful civilisations on the planet.. far greater than any
of the atheist shitholes that have ever existed! B^]
Shit, you almost have us agnostics convinced the Theists are right!
You will all soon be theists, yourselves! B^D
> ALSO A GOD.
You believe A man is God? sounds like the Romans! B^D
fasgnadh
> Virgil wrote:
>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence
>> of Jesus as a god.
Fine by me. B^]
Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists! B^]
>> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
>> man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
The whole "Son of God" thing is way too complex for any of you new
believers in Jesus... Next you will really confuse yourselves
with that infernal Trinity.. keep it simple, Jesus on the Cross
called to God..
I don't think he was talking to himself.. do you? ;-)
>> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
>> there was such a man WHO WAS
as HE claimed, sent by God, and fulfilled prophecy, and
influenced the course of human history like few before
or after Him, (and they also claimed to be from God... ;-)
So you now have strong evidence of God operating in the world,
like nothing else does.. inspiring and sustaining the most
successful civilisations on the planet.. far greater than any
of the atheist shitholes that have ever existed! B^]
Shit, you almost have us agnostics convinced the Theists are right!
You will all soon be theists, yourselves! B^D
>> ALSO A GOD.
You believe A man is God? sounds like the Romans! B^D
> As an atheist who understands that "Jesus Christ" is a myth, I feel
> there is strong inferential evidence that this myth is based upon an
> actual person or persons. Because lies, deception and obfuscation are
> really their only defense, superstitionists such as
XaurreauX, and BJ, try
> to pretend that recognition of this distinct
> possibility by non- Christians is tantamount to "believing" in Jesus.
What do you atheists mean by "believing in Jesus" other than
the Irish atheists admission that he existed and taught and fulfilled
prophecy and inspired great and enduring civilisation? B^D
And is still talked about after all this time! Astonishing!
You all seem to rabbit on about other 'beliefs'.. especially Virgil
and BJ, about the 'Son of God'.. What do you mean by that???
I have shown that the atheists publicly support Jesus, they say so.
So far only the Sanhedrin, the Irish Atheists, BJ and Virgil
have talked about this 'Son of God' thing.. explain yourselves!
We know the Sanhedrin used it to accuse Jesus of Blasphemy..
just like the atheists do.. but WHERE IS THE PROOF.
Jesus says THEY said it, he says he is a son of man.. like
the rest of us!
I don't know what your 'beliefs' are, apart from the absurd idea that
you claim he was a 'Blasphemer' but you have no evidence proving it.
Can you explain what you mean.. I'm an agnostic who deals
in facts.. and as atheists admit, Jesus existed, taught,
inspired a great and enduring civilisation.. etc..
But Son of God? C'mon.. the Muslims cleared that one up! B^D
> It is highly unlikely,
Of course, on the cross he called out to God..
I don't think he was talking to himself, do you?
It's a subtle metaphysical issue.. wrapped in
a medieval misunderstanding.... I don't think any of
you fundamentalist are up to the discussion of it.
> but I think it would be both fascinating and amusing if they
> found his body.
Why?
He said he would be in a realm of the spirit..
Why would finding earthly remains be significant?
fasgnadh
> In our last episode, <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, the
> lovely and talented fasgnadh broadcast on alt.atheism:
Why thank you, you honest and fair spoken youth! ;-)
>> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
>> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
>> and declare they will support:
>>
>> "2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
>> �Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
>> father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
>> and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
>>
>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
>> and support his right to say what they have quoted:
>>
>> "we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> published or uttered..."
>>
>> Priceless! B^]
>>
>>
>> Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
>> are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
>
> You cannot expect Irish atheists to get it right
> first thing out of the chute.
You cannot expect atheists to EVER get it right, no matter
how may times they enter and exit that chute;
http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
>
> "When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a
> woman in the audience stood up and said, 'Yes, but is it the God of the
> Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?'"
> -Quentin Crisp (1908-1999) (sometimes attributed to Bertand Russell)
B^) Nice One! B^)
Well, it's taken the theists centuries to all start to recognise
they all worship the One God... it will take centuries more
for the atheists to update their straw men and stereotypes! B^D
fasgnadh
> Virgil wrote:
>> In article <hhtk06$9m0$1...@feeder.eternal-september.org>,
>> B J Foster <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
Note my claims are simple factual and PROVEN.. Leaving the
poor atheist losers nowhere to go than to sit in a tub of
ice-water to soothe their well kicked arses and to stroke each others
STRAW MAN bullshit, because that's all they can defeat;
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA
>>>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a
>>>> man, but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the
>>>> existence of Jesus as a god.
>>> Did you have to spell it out?
>>
>> There are lots of theists for whom even spelling it out does not get
>> through to them.
>>>
>>>> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as
>>>> a man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
>>>>
>>>> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
>>>> there was such a man WHO WAS ALSO A GOD.
>>>>
>>>> And none of Fasgnadh's ditherings have in any way supported that claim.
I should support YOUR claim? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
> 'dogmatic'
Yes, you are all BARKING mad! B^D
fasgnadh
> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>> Responding to furles:
>>>
>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new
>>>> blasphemy law by publishing a series of anti-religious
>>>> quotations on its website.
Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
and declare they will support:
"2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
�Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
So atheists believe in Jesus, quote the Bible as
a reliable Primary Source and want to talk theology!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA
>>> Good on 'em!
Hallelujah Brother! B^D
>> Where do I donate money?
I will send you my account number!
(An atheist and his money are soon parted! ;-)
> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed
> only if the victim files a complaint.
What fine will be imposed when Billions of Theists file
complaints about atheist hate speech and anti-theist violence: ?
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
1,600,000 victims of atheist hate speech and slander right there! 8^o
I guess the Militant atheists won't have much support from
the majority religious societies around the world, who they
have viciously attacked and vilified.
No wonder atheists are flocking to Atheism 3.0!
B J Foster
> Virgil wrote:
>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>>
>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
>
> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>
When you fuck it up completely you seem to go beserk.
Do you have an 'off' switch?
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
> and declare they will support:
>
> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
> and support his right to say what they have quoted
> Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
> are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
>
> So atheists believe in Jesus, quote the Bible as
> a reliable Primary Source and want to talk theology!
Either that or they are just poking fun at the stupid Irish lawmakers,
which some of the other statements in their posting would seem to
indicate.
>
> >>> Good on 'em!
>
>
> What fine will be imposed when Billions of Theists file
> complaints about atheist hate speech and anti-theist violence
There are not billions of theists in Ireland, and other than in Ireland,
there is no such law.
> I guess the Militant atheists won't have much support from
> the majority religious societies around the world
But the non-militant atheists, e.g.,the Humanists, and all merely
non-theists are strongly supported by all of the STRONGLY SECULAR
DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS
No wonder so many theists are deserting religions and flocking to
Humanism.
Father Haskell
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
I can think of several mildly important American deists
who said much the same thing.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> B J Foster wrote:
> > Virgil wrote:
> >> In article <hhtk06$9m0$1...@feeder.eternal-september.org>,
> >> B J Foster <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Virgil wrote:
> >>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> >>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
They equally recognize the reality of Tiberius Caesar, without acceding
to the claim of godhood of either.
>
> Note my claims are simple
Only in the sense that one would have to be extraordinarily simple
minded to make them.
.
> >>>>
> >>>> And none of Fasgnadh's ditherings have in any way supported that claim.
>
>
> I should support YOUR claim? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
Mine make a good deal more sense than any of Fasgnadh's do.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > You cannot expect Irish theists to get it right
> > first thing out of the chute.
>
You cannot expect theists to EVER get it right, no matter
how may times they enter and exit that chute;
>
> >
> > "When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a
> > woman in the audience stood up and said, 'Yes, but is it the God of the
> > Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?'"
> > -Quentin Crisp (1908-1999) (sometimes attributed to Bertand Russell)
>
> B^) Nice One! B^)
>
> Well, it's taken the theists centuries to all start to recognise
> they all worship the One God...
And they haven't done it yet.
American fundamentalists are quite sure that the god they worship is
totally unrelated to the one the RC's worship
> it will take centuries more
> for the atheists to update their straw men and stereotypes!
Since atheists are already in agreement that there are no gods worth
worshipping, they need none of the straw men or stereotypes that theists
all depend on.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> XaurreauX wrote:
> > Virgil wrote:
> >> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> >> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
> >>
> >> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
One would be hard put to claim that George Carlin and Samuel Clemens,
two of those cited in those 25 allegedly blasphemies, are both imaginary
beings who did not exist.
>
>
> >> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence
> >> of Jesus as a god.
>
> Fine by me. B^]
>
> Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
> reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists!
Then equally, you must recognize as an historical reality, the most
potent proofs that each of the Ceasars exists as a god , i.e., that they
existed as men and were proclaimed gods in their own time.
> >> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
> >> man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
>
>
> So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
The atheists/agnostics/humanists have LNG been well ahead of all thiests.
>
> The whole "Son of God" thing is way too complex for any of you new
> believers in Jesus... Next you will really confuse yourselves
> with that infernal Trinity.. keep it simple, Jesus on the Cross
> called to God..
>
> I don't think he was talking to himself.. do you? ;-)
If you don't think so then you are saying that Jesus was not god.
>
> >> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
> >> there was such a man WHO WAS GOD
>
>
> So you now have strong evidence of God operating in the world
WE have no such thing. There have been thousands of people throughout
history who have claimed to be gods.
And no conclusive evidence that any of them were right.
> Shit, you almost have us agnostics
Shit is just the sort of agnostic that Fasgnadh is.
> What do you atheists mean by "believing in Jesus" other than
> the Irish atheists admission that he existed and taught and fulfilled
> prophecy and inspired great and enduring civilisation?
If Fasgnadh sees that in what the Irish atheists published, he is off
his meds again.
Acknowledging the existence of a human as a human does not of itself
acknowledge the existence of any god.
>
> You all seem to rabbit on about other 'beliefs'.. especially Virgil
> and BJ, about the 'Son of God'.. What do you mean by that???
That as far as anyone can show, there is no god for anyone to be a son
of. Of bitches there are enough for fasgnadh to be the son of one, but
of gods not.
>
> So far only the Sanhedrin, the Irish Atheists, BJ and Virgil
> have talked about this 'Son of God' thing.. explain yourselves!
That claim by Jesus is part of the blasphemy for which he was convicted
and executed.
>
> We know the Sanhedrin used it to accuse Jesus of Blasphemy..
> just like the atheists do.. but WHERE IS THE PROOF.
Where is the transcript of the trial?
>
> Jesus says THEY said it, he says he is a son of man. like
> the rest of us!
We do not know what he said without a certified transcript.
>
> I don't know what your 'beliefs' are, apart from the absurd idea that
> you claim he was a 'Blasphemer' but you have no evidence proving it.
Since we are not the ones trying him, what evidence we do or do not have
is hardly relevant.
>
> Can you explain what you mean.. I'm an agnostic
# Faghdagh - formerly 'Che' - was ostensibly a marxist for most of
# his netlife. He rebirthed himself only recently, presumably because
# defending basket cases like Zimbabwe, Cuba and North Korea became
# simply too challenging even for a veteran net kook.
>
But Son of God? C'mon.. the Muslims cleared that one up!
Then why is Fasgnadh still pushing it?
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
> > In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> > fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
> >
> > Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
I am merely saying that there is no conclusive evidence of the existence
of ANY gods, regardless of which religion claims them.
>
> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
My usual criticism is not of religion in general, as there are religions
which I respect, such as Buddhism, for example.
My criticisms are of theism.
>
>
> > but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
> > Jesus as a god.
>
> Fine by me.
And, in fact no atheist recognizes the existence of any of jesus'
competitors for godhood either.
>
> Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
> reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists!
The Imperator Caesars have at least as good evidence of godhood as
Jesus, and a lot better evidence of existence in the first place.
The existence of an historical Jesus is no better evidence of godly
existence than the existence of an historical Tiberius Caesar.
Fasgnadh seems dedicated to the goal of proving himself an ass, toward
which ultimate goal he gets closer with every posting.
>
> > Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
> > man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
>
>
> So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
Then Fasgnadh concedes that the Muslims are right about Jesus!
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-q
uotes/
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Augustus O'Muircheartaigh wrote:
> > I am going to use short simple sentences
>
> I suppose you have to
He does if Fasgnadh is to come even close to comprehending it.
>
> Note, we are dealing here with what ATHEISTs claim!!
Since atheists do not claim gods, their claims are at least within the
pale.
>
>
> They declare they "support the right" of all 25 people they quote
> to post what the atheists say is blasphemy.
>
> So they acknowledge the historical reality of Jesus
They equally acknowledge the historical reality of Pontius Pilate and
the whole Sanhedrin, but do not claim that any of them are gods.
> I hope everyone understands the principle at stake here.
Fasgnadh clearly doesn't, as that very principle proves him wrong.
>
>
Fasgnadh's attacks on atheism are Hate filled, psychopathic VIOLENCE;
> The difference is simple. The Irish action is WITHIN the law,
> it doesn't target any group, it outlaws a BEHAVIOUR!
It abrogates freedom of speech, thus is the first step to dictatorship
and the evils that the Nazis brought to the world.
> Those who deliberately exhibit that behaviour, to harm others,
> to vilify and preach hatred and violence.. are criminals.
Sounds like Fasgnadh hitting on himself, as he continually preaches
hatred and violence against innocent humanist and non-theists.
ATHEISTS HAVE DECLARED THEY SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE
LIKE THEMSELVES TO SPEAK!!!!!
>
Let that be an END to the vicious hate-speach, the vile anti-atheism
the lies and slander by Roman Catholic Irish theists!!
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-q
uo
>
> > I am an atheist.
> > I do not believe in God.
> > Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
>
> So you believe atheism Ireland would cite non-existent people
> in it's political propaganda?
Why not, the theist Irish who made that vicious law do it all the time.
>
> Shocking.
>
No one will support theists if they are so dishonest!
>
> Oh, we are used to you atheists being unable to
> prove your unfounded claims.
And we Humanists are used to you theists being unable to prove your
claims.
One major difference being that we do not demand tithing from those who
agree with us.
>
Clearly lots of people will want to dispute theist lies and propaganda
IN ALT.ATHEISM!
>
> I kow I will! B^}
Shouldn't that be "cow"?
>
> The atheist attack on This blasphemy law is ridiculous and
> hypocritical!
That blasphemy law's attack on freedom of speech is Fascist.
>
Nothing compares to the IRISH regimes SUPRESSION of dissent
in its theist tyranny
> They will be smashed like neo-nazis
It is the action of the Eire government that isnearest to neo-nazism.
>
> Of course none of you hypocrites have ever criticised, let
> alone distanced yourselves from atheist abuse of free speech.
it is the Eire government's attempt to eliminate the right of free
speech which is the crime here.
>
> So I suggest no one runs to your aid when you start bleating
> like little bitches that someone might, someday, perhaps, maybe,
> DO WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS!!
You mean defending free speech from fascists like you?
>
> Your have made the charge of Blasphemy against Jesus, he is innocent
> until proven guilty.. so PROVE IT!
If there ever was a biblical Jesus, then the biblical account shows that
he was tried, convicted and executed for blasphemey, or whatever.
At this point, the only justification for reopening the case would be
the existence of new evidence. Of which there is none.
fasgnadh
> Mike Jones wrote:
>> Responding to thomas p.:
>>
>>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a
>>>>>> new blasphemy law by publishing a series of
>>>>>> anti-religious quotations on its website.
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
and declare they will support:
"2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
�Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
are from real people, including Jesus, whom they support!!! B^D
>>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>> Where do I donate money?
What, an atheist donate money for the biggest and longest running
charity on Earth, rather than spend it on useless Bus Propaganda and
public whining that they are 'persecuted' in the most open, democratic
and free MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies on the planet???
Why don't you buy a bus ticket to some atheist state paradise instead,
you hypocritical ingrates? Most of them have long since collapsed
in misery death and despair, but Nth Korea is still an option, if you
don't mined a police state and regular famine! pfffffft!
>>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed
>>> only if the victim files a complaint.
The 70,000,000 terrorised tortured and KILLED in atheist states
in the past century can't complain.. so it is despicable that you
suggest no crime is committed just because your victims can't
complain!
>> What victim?
Billions of them, and the current atheist death threats
are far more serious than the legal efforts to curb
Atheist slander, lies, abuse and violent hate speech;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
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# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
A fine of $1 per victim would run to Billions!
Great idea! B^D
> Precisely my dear Watson.
No probs, Shylock! B^]
Seon Ferguson
the events of the Bible happened then Jesus proved he was who he claimed to
be.
Seon Ferguson
to commit blasphemy against?
L.Roberts
> And also if Jesus committed blasphemy then doesn't that mean there is a God
> to commit blasphemy against?
No, because, god or no god, there was still the law.
Seon Ferguson
"L.Roberts" <ozzca...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4a5104dd-d313-4dde...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Oh I just got it. If that law existed back then, god or no god, Jesus
committed blasphemy.
Bob Young
On 1/5/10 10:17 PM, in article
fSH0n.67031$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "fasgnadh"
<fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> XaurreauX wrote:
>> Virgil wrote:
>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>>>
>>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
>
> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
No no no - the usual criticism of RELIGION is - it is pioneered by idiots
like you.
I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning
religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the
monkey's.
[[Mark Twain in Eruption]
Religious belief, meanwhile, whatever it might do in comforting the fearful
in the dark, has always and everywhere brought war, intolerance and
persecution with it, and it has distorted human nature into false and
artificial shapes.
[A C Grayling - The meaning of things]
Turn the light on fartnose, your god ain't there
Bob Young
On 1/6/10 4:22 AM, in article hi072u$1hr$7...@bjf.motzarella.org, "B J Foster"
<bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Virgil wrote:
>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>>>
>>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>>
>> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
>> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
>> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
>>
>> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>
>
> When you fuck it up completely you seem to go beserk.
>
> Do you have an 'off' switch?
Too full of himself to have one of those !
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Virgil wrote:
>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>>>
>>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>>
>> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
>> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
>> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
>>
>> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>
>
> When you fuck
Sorry, I don't give advice on sexual matters to adolescents unless
they have a note from their parents.
> Do you have an 'off' switch?
No, I go all night till we both fall asleep in each others arms.
Do you have a point or is this just your way of acknowledging
your capitulation? B^]
>>> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence
>>> of Jesus as a god.
>>
>> Fine by me. B^]
>>
>> Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
>> reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists! B^]
Once atheists admit, as the Irish cohort and Virgil have done,
that Jesus is a historical reality, then they must confront
his enduring influence, and their own historical failure;
It's less than a century since Lenin, Stalin Mao and the other
grotesque atheist tyrants have passed away, and already
they are forgotton, or repudiated and despised! B^]
The atheist regimes were supposed to usher in a Godless Utopia,
the Young Comrades executing priests and burning temples and churches
were as full of passionate intensity and hate-fileld anti-theism
as todays Militant atheists.. and all their work CAME TO NAUGHT..
after all the terror torture and mass murder, after the decades
of disillusion
Atheists spit on religion, but it has inspired and sustained the great
and enduring civilisations in which even the poor atheist hypocrites
>>> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as
>>> a man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
>>
>>
>> So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
>>
>> The whole "Son of God" thing is way too complex for any of you new
>> believers in Jesus... Next you will really confuse yourselves
>> with that infernal Trinity.. keep it simple, Jesus on the Cross
>> called to God..
>>
>> I don't think he was talking to himself.. do you? ;-)
BJ and the atheists, like their forerunners in the USSR, Maoist China
and Pol Pots Cambodia, are all doctrinaire little slogan chanters!
They pump out that PROPAGANDA SHITE on their hair-brained websites,
claiming Jesus as part of their cause, claiming he was a blasphemer,
citing the Bible as their reliable primary source.. admitting that
a carpenter from 2000 Years ago is more potent a symbol, and has
more to say to modern man than all their tin-pot philosophy..
but they can't answer simple challenges.
WHAT BLASPHEMY? Nothing they cited from Jesus is Blasphemous!
The first two entries in their list of 25 Blasphemers have no
case to answer. Just as previous atheist regimes were catastrophic
failures, so it seems the modern atheists can't even manage a
decent Blasphemy!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA
They are hollow shells of their former infamy.
>>> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
>>> there was such a man WHO WAS
>>
>> as HE claimed, sent by God, and fulfilled prophecy, and
>> influenced the course of human history like few before
>> or after Him, (and they also claimed to be from God... ;-)
>>
And there he is! The Real Jesus.
Not even the atheists can misrepresent him, successfully.. even
when he has been gone from this live 2,000 years ago!!!
THAT is power. B^]
More people around the world would prefer to listen to the words
of God's Messenger than all the atheist potentates, tyrants,
academics, philosophers and blind sheep. And It burns them up! B^D
They have tried to Co-OPT Jesus! 8^o
They have claimed he was, like them, a blasphemer...
But with all their modern technology, they cannot
produce any evidence to condemn him!!!!! B^]
His Truth goes marching on.. their lies lie in the DUST!!!! B^D
>> So you now have strong evidence of God operating in the world,
>> like nothing else does.. inspiring and sustaining the most
>> successful civilisations on the planet.. far greater than any
>> of the atheist shitholes that have ever existed! B^]
>>
>> Shit, you almost have us agnostics convinced the Theists are right!
>>
>> You will all soon be theists, yourselves! B^D
>>
>>> ALSO A GOD.
>>
>> You believe A man is God? sounds like the Romans! B^D
Very backlevel of Virgil and BJ, they need to update to atheism 3.0!
I hear that some of them can't because it requires an integrity fix! ;-)
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> B J Foster defends his atheist comrade with his usal truths:
> > fasgnadh wrote:
> >> Virgil wrote:
> >>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> >>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
> >>>
> >>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
> >>
> >> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> >> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> >> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
> >>
> >> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
> >>
> >> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
> >>
> >
> > When you fuck
>
> Sorry, I don't
Then when you whack off...
>
>
> No, I go all night
Without even changing hands?
>
>
> >>> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence
> >>> of Jesus as a god.
> >>
> >> Fine by me.
> >>
> >> Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
> >> reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists!
Not unless you regard the existence of Caesar Augustus as a potent proof
of godly existence.
>
> Once atheists admit, as the Irish cohort and Virgil have done,
> that Jesus is a historical reality
While the Irish atheists may seem to have acknoweldged that a human
named Jesus existed, neither they nor any non-believer accepts that as
evidence of any godly existence.
But theists like Fasgnadh regard all sorts of weird nonsensical things
as evidence that their delusions are actualities.
Or is Fasgnadh just venting his spleen against anyone without regard to
anything:
# Faghdagh - formerly 'Che' - was ostensibly a marxist for most of
# his netlife. He rebirthed himself only recently, presumably because
# defending basket cases like Zimbabwe, Cuba and North Korea became
# simply too challenging even for a veteran net kook.
There are names for nasty people like Fas.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
>>> fasgnadh defends Jesus from atheist slander and vilification:
>>>>
>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>>>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>>>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
>>>>
>>>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>>>
>>>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>>>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>>>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>>>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>>>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>>>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>>>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>>>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>>>
>>>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>>>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>>>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>>>>
>>>> Priceless!
>>>>
>>>> They believe in Jesus!
>>>>
>>>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>>>> their anti-religious campaign!
>>>
>>> Crap.
>>
>> Haven't you been toilet trained YET? B^p
>>
>>> Where does it say hat they believe in Jesus?
>>
>>
>> They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
>>
>> You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
>> wouldn't you BJ? ;-)
>>
>>
>> You are a Fucking Idjut, BJ! B^D
>>
>> Are you saying their evidence is all imaginary?
>>
>> Well, it IS a documented fact that atheists are well known
>> for their forgery and lies;
>>
>> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/241e548808b786f8?hl=en
>>
>> but I'm surprised to see you on the side of atheists and pharisees
>> trying to railroad Jesus on a blasphemy charge in the Kangaroo
>> Court of atheist OPINION! uninformed as it is! B^p
>>
>> I mean.. he can't even DEFEND himself! ;-)
As there hasd been no evidence for the atheist claim that Jesus
blasphemed, he is found innocent, as a lamb. ;-)
The atheists should be scourged for slandering gentle Jesus,
trying to co-opt him unwillingly into their base schemes of
deception.
The Irish atheists should be disowned and ex-communicated,
as already seems to have started happening, if L. Roberts'
post is any indication.
>>> They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland)
>>> is inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
>>
>> I read their website.. they never said anything of the sort, you
>> pathetic liar!
>>
>> *I* quoted them, verbatim, and they quoted JESUS from the BIBLE,
>> to make their case.
>>
>> If you are saying this is a case of FALSE WITNESS, then it is the
>> ATHEISTS and YOU who have committed perjury! B^p
>>
>> Here is the atheist account, their first example of what THEY
>> claim to be 'Blasphemy'
>>
>> #
>> # 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>> # in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>> # I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>> # man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>> # in the clouds of heaven.�
Claims by the malign atheists that is blasphemy are as
false and malicious as when originally made by the
Sanhedrin!
Jesus did not claim to be the Son of God, others did,
including modern atheists trying to frame Jesus on
a Blasphemy charge!!!!!!! B^[
>>
>> They QUOTE Jesus and claim that those words are an example of
>> BLASPHEMY.. the first in their list of 24 other QUOTES!
>>
>> I can see that you and the atheists are inconsistent.
> We don't know whether God exists.
So you are an agnostic like me.
> If She does we don't know whether
> She wants us to worship Her.
>
> Cormac.
Wow, when you miss the point you miss it BY A MILE, don't you!
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
# Faghdagh - formerly 'Che' - was ostensibly a marxist for most of
# his netlife. He rebirthed himself only recently, presumably because
# defending basket cases like Zimbabwe, Cuba and North Korea became
# simply too challenging even for a veteran net kook.
>
> As there hasd been no evidence for the claim that Jesus
> blasphemed
The Bible alleges that the Romans executed him for something, and it
probably wasn't jaywalking.
>
> The atheists should be scourged for slandering gentle Jesus
The alleged Jesus was allegedly convicted of crimes leading to an
alleged execution.
> The Irish atheists should be disowned and ex-communicated
Atheists, not being communicants in the first place, are already
ex-communicate.
And they are patriots fighting for Irish freedoms, and should be so
honoured (Irish spelling).
B J Foster
> B J Foster defends his atheist comrade with the usual pointless ad hom:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>>>>
>>>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a
>>>> man,
>>>
>>> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
>>> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
>>> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
>>>
>>> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>>
>>>
>>
<unsnip>
... it up completely you seem to go beserk
</unsnip>
>
> Sorry, I don't give advice on sexual matters to adolescents unless
> they have a note from their parents.
>
>> Do you have an 'off' switch?
>
> No, I go
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>
> Do you have a point or is this just your way of acknowledging
> your capitulation? B^]
>
If a mad hatter named 'faghdagh' claimed that he was the 'son of God'
then how would that be acceptance of the existence of God?
You're too thick to debate this topic - why don't you go back to
defending marxism? It's easier! ROTFL
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> B J Foster wrote:
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> fasgnadh showed atheists QUOTING Jesus, claiming he blasphemed:
>>>>
>>>> The first person they QUOTE and label a 'blasphemer' is Jesus! 8^o
>>
>> It seems BJ can't read, he is too busy misrepresenting what Jesus said;
>>
>>> If some mad-hatter named faghdagh called himself the 'son of God',
>>> would that not be blasphemy?
>>
>> That's not what the atheist campaign cites Jesus as saying, you False
>> Witness! B^[
>>
>> Here's the atheist charge, which we have BJ defending, by DELIBERATELY
>>
>> Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>> in the clouds of heaven.�
>>
>> "THOU hast said" not him.. and significantly, He refers to Himslf
>> as "Son of Man"
Snipping the facts and misrepresenting what the atheists said ONCE is
foolish, repeating the same error simply makes BJ a dishonest
> Idiot
There is no argument that atheists publicly recognise the
existence of Jesus and support his words:
> they recognise the *existence* of Jesus
Yes, it's their slander, without evidence, which BJ has supported,
that is now the issue.
The repeated ASSERTION by atheists, and BJ, without that:
> he was the 'son of God'.
Neither BJ, the atheists nor the Sanhedrin have any proof of Jesus
making that claim, all we have is THEM asserting it. Where's the proof?
THEY HAVE NONE!!! It's a FRAME UP! B^[
It is that same False Witness by which the Sanhedrin executed the
innocent Jesus, and the atheists want to do it all over again;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
It is in that 'spirit' that atheist regimes terrorised tortured
and killed over 70,000,000 people, and yet atheist hypocrites who
still deny the holocausts caused by atheist tyrannies (Every atheist
state in history has been a catastrophic charnel house) are whining
that limits to their abuse, lies slander, death threats and hate-
speech might be curbed, perhaps, maybe, someday! Pffffft
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
NOT ONE ATHEIST IN USENET CONDEMNED THAT HATE-FILLED SOCIOPATH!!! 8^o
They supported him.. they call him their WARLORD!!! B^D
You can see a video of his atheist arse being kicked into
orbit at the alt.atheism FAQ;
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/2009/09/meet-fluffy-bawaa-factions-new-warlord.html
Atheists are WHINING moral defectives. Why don't they fuck off
to an atheist paradise, like Nth Korea, if they don't appreciate
living in free, open, democratic MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies???
>>> Sorry about the big words.
>>
>> Only you would think there is some merit in you using big words to lie,
>> rather than tell the simple truth!
>>
>> pffffffft!
>>
>>
>>> Please don't think about this while you're eating or breathing - I
>>> don't want to be responsible for taxing your brain too much while it
>>> is performing essentially functions.
>>
>> Is that it, a pathetic misrepresentation and some witless ad hom!
>>
>>
>> So, you have no PROOF of the atheist claim that Jesus Blasphemed.
>>
>> Like the Sanhedrin, you and the atheists are prepared to condemn a man
>> to death based on nothing but your own lies and misrepresentations.
>>
>> Big Shame Job.
>>
>> NOTHING THE ATHEISTS, OR BJ, HAVE POSTED JUSTIFIES THEIR SLANDER!!!
>>
>> NOTHING!
>>
>> Even after 2000 years, the Truth of Jesus shines, and the vile malicious
>> calumnies of the evil ones are exposed. B^]
Virgil
fasgnadh snips and misses the point, AGAIN:
> B J Foster wrote:
> > fasgnadh snips and misses the point, AGAIN:
> >> B J Foster wrote:
> >>> fasgnadh snips and misses the point, AGAIN:
> >>>> B J Foster faces checkmate in 1 move:
> >>>>> fasgnadhsnips and misses the point, AGAIN::
> >>>>>> B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
> >>>>>>> fasgnadhsnips and misses the point, AGAIN::
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new
> >>>>>>>> blasphemy law
> >>>>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.atheist.ie/
Snipping the facts and misrepresenting what the atheists said ONCE is
foolish, repeating the same error simply makes Fasgnadh a dishonest liar.
>
>
> > There is no argument that atheists publicly violated the evil
> > theist's censorship law.
>
> > they recognise and fight against the *existence* of censorship.
>
>
> It is that same False Witness by which the Sanhedrin executed the
> innocent Jesus, and the atheists want to do it all over again;
Does Fasgnadh care to suggest how anyone might EXECUTE a nearly 2000
year old corpse, even if it could be found?
And why is Fasgnadh now supporting what previously he attacked and
attacking what he previously supported?
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Mike Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 5, 6:19 am, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>> Responding to Trance Gemini:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 4, 3:44 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2:56 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Responding to Trance Gemini:
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 2, 8:03 am, fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new
>>>>>>>>>> blasphemy law by publishing a series of anti-religious
>>>>>>>>>> quotations on its website.
What is clear is that Irish atheists not only believe
in Jesus being real but also have publicly stated
they support him.
Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy', two
are from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
and declare they will support:
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
are from real people, including Jesus, who they support!!! B^D
And they acknowledge the Bible as their reliable Primary Source!
Atheism 3.0 is REALLY TAKING OFF! Next they will be asking
to be baptised!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAA
What the atheists HAVEN'T DONE is provide any proof that Jesus
actually blasphemed, they are lying and slandering an innocent man,
as usual. What they actually quoted shows Jesus to be INNOCENT of
their charges of Blasphemy;
Here is the first of the atheist quotes, nowhere do they
show evidence of Jesus calling Himself "the Son of God" !
Like the Sanhedrin whose HEARSAY they repeat in their own
lies and slander, they HAVE NO PROOF, and what they offer shows
Jesus saying something QUITE DIFFERENT;
1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
in the clouds of heaven.�
- Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
"WHERE IS YOUR PROOF FOR YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT JESUS"?
Atheists have been unable to substantiate their FALSE charge of
Blasphemy, which they, like their Sanhedrin allies,
levelled at Jesus without proof, or fair trial,
before they passed the death sentence;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/2009/09/meet-fluffy-bawaa-factions-new-warlord.html
Why can't gutless atheists ANSWER the questions??? B^]
>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned on another group where this topic is also being
>>>>>>>>> discussed, in my opinion, we need our own NGO
An NGo to represent the non-belief in something? BWAHAAAHA! RIDICULOUS!
What next, the "There is no Santa" NGO? B^]
The 'We don't believe in Faeries" NGO B^D
What a pack of demented nutjobs.. how FULL OF THEMSELVES can they get?!?
>>>>>>>> One has to be very careful not to fall into the political game
>>>>>>>> thats currently playing.
>>>>>>>> As soon as you have a "group", a "demographic", you have
>>>>>>>> limitations and rules regarding inclusion and exclusion, not to
>>>>>>>> mention "official categorisation" etc.
Oh Trance is quite happy to be the Gatekeeper of Orthodoxy, following
the atheist precedents of Lenin, Stalin and Mao! B^p
And all the atheist sheep follow without question! B^D
No wonder they can't answer questions, they don't even ASK THEM;
http://www.funnypictures.net.au/images/sheep-dog-trials-im-telling-you-the-man-and-the-do1.jpg
>>>>>>>> Where one was a freethinker, one becomes a state
>>>>>>>> registered\recognised "New Atheist"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree but how do we accomplish that?
>>>>>>> having an NGO is simply to have UN legislation
>>>>>>> passed which requires exactly that sort of thing.
>>>>>>> Member countries are then required to follow it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that voice needs to be heard
>>>>>> protecting the rights of atheists.
>>>>> Yeahbut...
>>>>>
>>>>> non- religious is a /sub-group
a tiny, irrelevant minority of which are atheists.
>>>>>
>>>>> "But what /kind/ of atheist are you?" etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheism-3.0 anyone?
Backlevel Militant atheists (2.0 and earlier), such as
Trance Stupor, fear the resurgence of thoughtful atheism
confined to the private sphere.. they want a return of
atheism as a POLITICAL POWER backed by violence and thuggery;
# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
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# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#
# On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
#
# > We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists.
# >
# > BAAWA is back. You Knights out there better start being Knights
# > because if I don't see blood, and soon, you're gone.
# >
# > We kill theists and shit down their throats
# > and not in a girly way.
# >
# > Warlord Steve
# > BAAWA
#
# ------------------------------------------------------------------
# BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant
Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats. 8^o
>>>> that's always a concern and while I like the concept of atheistic
>>>> communities we are risking that, unfortunately.
>>
>>
>> A community based on nothing more than NOT BELIEVING SOMETHING?
>>
>> Do you realise how absurd that is?
>
> You believe in a talking, walking magic evil snake.
No I don't. You are just another atheist liar who snips
the irrefutable, damning facts about your cult and runs away,
spewing lies as you retreat.
> Don't tell me about absurd.
Because you will just put your arse cheek blinkers on and
become Self-Blinded to the truth;
http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
>> Didn't the catastrophic failure of EVERY atheist regime
>> in history, in dictatorship, decay, despair, destruction and
>> millions of dead, teach you anything?
>>
>> Atheism is not the 'foundation' of anything! B^D
>>
>> Not only has it never inspired, created or sustained a
>> single civilisation.. it hasn't even managed a decent, democratic
>> state.. it hasn't even achieved a small county..
>>
>> politically and socially it is a useless branch of Nihilism.
>>
>>>> We become a unit that can be marginalized as well.
>>
>>
>> Aw Diddums, Atheism which killed more people in the twentieth
>> century than any religion in history feels that curbs on this
>> kind of malign hate speech is the poor atheists being persecuted;
>> And so atheists set out in their website to PROVOKE some
>> 'persecution' with vile, hate-filled abuse of the beliefs of others! B^p
>>
>> Good luck,
>> with your PR skills you will probably be able to provoke a pogrom
>> and then you can fulfil your dream of MARTYRDOM; B^D
>>
>>
>>>> However, I think a lot of us are just kind of sick of being on our own
>>
>> And that is why you congregate in whining clusters of self-indulgent
>> infants, like alt.atheism
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #
>> # We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists
>>
>>
>> B^D
>>
>> Shouldn't your therapist have to hear that, not us!?
>>
>>
>> Jung was RIGHT about these neurotics with no purpose in life;
>>
>> "Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
>> thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
>> resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
>> It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
>> he had lost that which the living religions of every age
>> have given their followers, and none of them has really
>> been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."
>>
>> -Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul
>>
>>
>>>> and that's why the communities are evolving.
>>>>
>>>> The benefit of having them is that we can also become a force that can
>>>> act together on issues like protecting the secular state.
>>
>> It was created by majority religious societies which wanted to
>> ensure the protection of freedom of belief, thought and speech
>> (within limits curbing slander, libel, incitement, hate speech etc)
>> including YOUR right not to believe.. and having built it, the religious
>> maintain it.
>>
>> In contrast to the repressive tyranny that every atheist regime has
>> been, not one of them allowing freedom of speech, belief or thought!
>>
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>> All the rest is atheists flapping their gums and indulging their
>> fantasies.
>>
>>
>>>> So, we need to keep emphasizing the point that we are the default, etc.
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!
>>
>> Your arrogance is only surpassed by your hubris!
>>
>> The 'default'? you have never even achieved the heights of
>> a medieval state, let alone a modern one! B^]
>>
>>>> and not let people get away with trying to claim that we are a "subset"
>>>> of anything or part of the theist paradigm.
>>
>>
>> You just keep re-arranging the semantic deckchairs on your atheist
>> Titanic, drearie! B^D
>>
>>>> It looks like the Center For Inquiry is doing some work on this issue of
>>>> "blasphemy" so that's reassuring.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't take this the wrong way but...
>>>
>>> Notice the language you're using there?
>>
>>
>> Pure atheist pyschobabble mixed with hubris.
>>
>>> As soon as you start promoting "the secular state", you have a
>>> faction, which in turn validates the other factions, and creates an
>>> arena where once there was simple the open space to be what you wanted
>>> to be.
>>>
>>> Once those who don't want to play a game are forced into playing a not-
>>> playing-this-game game, those who create and regulate those games are
>>> closer to the power they wanted to achive.
>>>
>>> We shouldn't be arguing for "atheist rights" as thats a dead-end and
>>> leads to officialised "minority status". What we really /should/ be
>>> arguing /against/ is the idea that any particular group should be
>>> allowed to gain undue influence in public affairs.
>>
>>
>> What is 'undue' about majority religious societies electing believers
>> to Congress and the White House? B^]
>>
>> In alt.atheism we have seen atheists forge the posts of people with
>> views they don't like with the clear stated intention of SILENCING THEM,
>> and not a single atheist protested.
>>
>> If you all want to work yourselves up into a hysterical
>> hissy fit about Blasphemy laws, I'm sure everyone will
>> be prepared to pitch in and help.. to laugh at your HYPOCRISY!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!
>>
>> BTW I oppose Blasphemy laws... I think Militant atheism will
>> shoot itself in the foot before it gets done by anti-vilification and
>> anti-hate-speech laws.. I just intend to rub salt in your gaping wounds
>> and laugh like hell at your endless penchant for taking your useless,
>> impotent, ineffectual, do-nothing sub branch of nihilism for
>> pimply adolescents who can't manage a real philosophy, seriously! ;-]
>>
>> People tell me I should stop pulling my punches..
>>
>> But I think telling you the truth is Tough Love. ;-)
>>
>>
>> > While defending a right to
>>> practice what you preach (har har) shouldn't be dismissed,
>>
>>
>> No wonder you laugh. the idea of atheists sitting on their arse
>> 'not believing' is hilarious!
>>
>> The REASON you ramp up this persecution complex is because you HAVE
>> no real agenda except endless whining in Usenet!
>>
>> You have nothing 'atheist' to do! B^D
>>
>>
>>> allowing this group or that to impose their designs on others is where
>>> the line should be drawn very firmly indeed.
>>
>> Funny.. all you fucking HYPOCRITES were absolutely silent
>> when your stooges were publicly advocating 'We Kill Theists
>> and shit down their knecks" or proposing to resurrect the atheist
>> Pol Pots genocide in Cambodia, where they crucified christians
>> and sliced up Muslims with blades dipped in pork fat:
>> " The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better."-atheist 'warlord' Steve
>>
>>> IOW, we are in danger of accepting minority status as a substitute for
>>> the full freedom we once had (at least in theory),
>>
>> and denied to HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, in practice;
>>
>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>> - Lenin
>>
>> "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
>> all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
>> - Stalin
>> E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
>> Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
>>
>> But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
>> but of the entire State apparatus;
>>
>> The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
>> the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
>> every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
>> and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
>>
>> "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> - Daniel Peris,
>> "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>
>> "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
>>
>> "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
>> In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
>> 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
>> Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
>> in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
>>
>> - John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
>> (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
>>
>>> and still should have, to go about our lives without interference or
>>> restriction brought about by some already defined (by exclusion)
>>> minority group with their own agendas for others.
>>
>> In democratic societies laws are determined by the majority,
>> as atheists your 0.7% of the population, less than us agnostics,
>> and pitiful growth rate, will overtake the 80% religious about a
>> millennia after Planet Death! B^D
>>
>>> There shouldn't be an "atheist community",
>>
>> Oh come now, where would all the misfits go to whine and lick
>> each others wounds? B^D
>>
>> > nor should anyone accept such a label or concept.
>>
>> True, "Cult" is a more apt expression!
>>
>> A few Cult Leaders, Lenin, Mao, Dawkins, Pol Pot, Hitchens
>> and many mindless, slogan chanting, followers.. Red Guards,
>> BAAWA, NKVD.. B^]
>>
>> Atheists being free thinkers, in unison:
>>
>> http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG
>>
>> > Thats simply accepting preconstructed manipulative
>>> marginalisation.
>>
>> You already talk like Mao's Little Red Book of Horrors!!! B^D
>>
>>
>> > Game over at that point.
>>
>>
>> Indeed it has been all DOWNHILL for global atheism since then!
>>
>>
>>
>> "With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
>> Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
>> longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
>> amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
>> of religion."
>>
>> http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
>>
>>
>> "At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
>> Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
>> the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
>>
>> "For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
>> to a large extent,"
>>
>> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
>> past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm
>>
>>
>> "Religious believers thrice the estimate
>> By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
>>
>> "A survey has found that the number of religious believers
>> is three times bigger than the official estimate.
>>
>> The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
>> Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
>> University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
>> of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
>>
>> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
>>
>> Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
>> atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
>> in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA
>>
>>
>> # Subject: Re: US religious now at 80% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
>> # -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
>> # fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
>> #
>> # From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> # alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
>> # alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
>> # Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
>> # Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
>> #
>> # American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
>> #
>> # "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
>> #
>> # 2001 2008
>> #
>> # Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
>> #
>> # Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
>> #
>> # Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
>> #
>> #
>> #
>> # BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
>> #
>> #
>> # 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
>> #
>> # 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
>> #
>> #
>> # EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
>>
>>
>>> Sing if you're glad to not pray!
>>
>> Shoot theists if they don't feel that way!
>>
>> Atheism defines itself by what it DOESN'T Do
>>
>> And traditionally kills millions if they don't do it to!
>>
>> So take pride in every NEGATIVE Day
>>
>>> Sing if you're happy that way.
>>
>> Here's the original version of the Mindset Song;
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT3QuesXgQw&feature=related
>>
>> Atheist 'community' is a farce
>> the vacuum soon gets filled
>> by kissing Mao's arse!
>>
>>
>>> Hey!
>>>
>>> ;\
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > fasgnadh snips and RUNS from the facts, leaving another theist lie:
>
> What is clear is that Irish atheists not only believe
> in theist censorship being real but also have publicly stated
> they condemn it.
>
>
> Atheists recognise the historical unreality of Jesus Christ
>
>
> Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
> are from real people
>
>
> Good without God REALLY TAKING OFF!
>
> What the atheists HAVEN'T DONE is provide any proof that Jesus
> actually existed.
>
> Here is the first of the atheist quotes, nowhere do they
> show evidence of Jesus calling Himself "the Son of God" !
> Like the Sanhedrin whose HEARSAY they repeat in their own
> lies and slander, they HAVE NO PROOF, and what they offer shows
> Jesus saying something QUITE DIFFERENT;
>
>
>
> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
> according to Matthew 26:64 said : �Thou hast said: nevertheless
> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
> in the clouds of heaven.�
>
>
> "WHERE IS YOUR PROOF FOR YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT JESUS"?
Those are the BIBLICAL claims about Jesus, you Jesus Freak.
'The Chronic Dependence of Popular Religiosity upon Dysfunctional
Psychosociological Conditions', by Gregory Paul, expa=lains why Fasgnadh
is so wrong.
>
>
>
> It is in that 'spirit' that Fasgnadh terrorised tortured
> and killed over 70,000,000 people, and yet Fasgnadh's hypocrites who
> still deny the holocausts caused by Fasgnadh are whining.
>
> What next, the "There is no Santa"
>
> The 'We don't believe in Faeries"
Fasgnadh still believes in them. He may even be one of them.
>
> Oh Fasgnadh is quite happy to be the Gatekeeper of Orthodoxy
http://www.webs05.com/images/religion/cartoons/atheist-cartoon.gif
Hope for the Heartless
Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
>
> The Bible alleges that the Romans executed him for something, and it
> probably wasn't jaywalking.
> >
According to the Bible, he was executed under the inscription
IESVS�NAZARENVS�REX�IVDAEORVM, or something like that. The gospels
don't agree on the exact test, but the jist of them all is the
same. The implication is that the Procurator Pontius Pilatus found
him guilty of insurrection, proclaiming himself king of the Jewish
people.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Cormac couldn't find any support for atheist claims Jesus Blasphemed:
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
>>>>> fasgnadh defends Jesus from atheist slander and vilification:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>>>>>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>>>>>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>>>>>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>>>>>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>>>>>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>>>>>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>>>>>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>>>>>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>>>>>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>>>>>
Remember, the atheists based a PUBLIC claim that Jesus committed
Blasphemy on EVIDENCE from the Bible . THEIR CLAIM!
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Based on?? Nothing but the Bible!
The Bible is accepted by atheists as evidence for their claim!
Their trouble is, it doesn't say WHAT THEY FALSELY CLAIM it says.! B^]
The Bible reports His enemies saying the Blasphemy, Jesus denying it,
and the Sanhedrin convicting him anyway.. just like the atheists
are convicting him again... FALSELY! 8^p
It's enough to make you think maybe Evil IS an timeless entity! ;-)
The atheist Blasphemy claim has collapsed in a pile of
LIES and False Witness!
They relied on the TRUTH of the Holy Bible to launch a
False and malicious claim that Jesus was a Blasphemer..
but the Bible passage they quoted DID NOT support their claim.
So, they were CORRECT to rely on the Bible, it has shown the TRUTH,
but they just misrepresented it! B^D
And now thy have to back down on their slander, in GLOBAL
HUMILIATION! B^]
Sweet!
Some would say, Divine Justice! B^D
>> Jesus did not claim to be the Son of God, others did,
>> including modern atheists trying to frame Jesus on
>> a Blasphemy charge!!!!!!! B^[
Jesus is the innocent victim of Sanhedrin and atheist MALICE,
LIES and a massive FRAME UP!
The atheists are now completely routed.. shown to support
the Bible as a reliable source, shown to support the Words of
Jesus, just GETTING THE MEANING OF THOSE WORDS COMPLETELY WRONG!
B^]
Game, Set ... Match!
> The Bible alleges that the Romans executed him for something,
It's great to see you atheists arguing that the Bible is an
accurate and truthful PRIMARY source and that you use it for
EVIDENCE.. It's just that the passage the atheists quoted, doesn't
prove Jesus GUILTY of blasphemy, as atheists falsely claimed,
it shows him to be INNOCENT! B^)
Got IT!?
The passage atheists quote shows he DIDN'T COMMIT BLASPHEMY! B^]
The Atheists Lied! As you don't have any REAL EVIDENCE, then Jesus
is INNOCENT OF YOUR SLANDER, and you are guilty of propagating
MALICIOUS LIES AND SLANDER, for which all you have is supposition
and hearsay by His ENEMIES, not facts!
The evidence ATHEISTS have submitted shows no blashemy by Jesus!!!!
Jesus was FITTED UP, and Every atheist involved in the
second, current attempt to LYNCH him based on atheist MOB
HYSTERIA simply makes you all complicit in the crime!
> and it probably wasn't jaywalking.
From ATHEIST evidence, it wasn't ANY crime at all! B^]
So as you don't have ANY evidence, (apart from the Bible,
your new Trusted Primary Source, which shows Jesus innocent)
the worldwide claim by atheists that Jesus is a Blasphemer, FAILS!
The WORLDWIDE SLANDER campaign by atheists claims to be based
on the BIBLE!!!!! 8^o
Atheists RELYING ON THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE AS THEIR PRIMARY SOURCE!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAAAA
For the BIBLE, does not show Jesus to be saying what the Sanhedrin and
the atheists ACCUSE Jesus of Saying.. the EVIDENCE cited by the atheists
show him REFUSING the claim that he was 'the Son of God'!! 8^)
So the only people accusing Jesus offer mere Hearsay and FALSE WITNESS
from the SanHedrin and the Atheists, who are both prepared to EXECUTE an
innocent man, without fair trial, without evidence and despite the
evidence that have before them showing HE IS INNOCENT;
�Thou hast said ['Son Of God", not Jesus!]: nevertheless
I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man..."
JESUS IS INNOCENT of atheist slander!!!! B^[
>> The atheists should be scourged for slandering gentle Jesus
>
> The alleged Jesus was allegedly convicted of crimes leading to an
> alleged execution.
So you claim the atheist Blasphemy campaign is not based
on reality, as the official atheist position claimed,
but is fictional and has no hard evidence at all!
Why did atheists lie to us all?
At least after days of trying to find evidence and realising that the
only evidence they have presented CONTRADICTS their slanderous Blasphemy
campaign, thay have abandoned it as UNPROVEN MISINTERPRETATION
by thick-as-pigshit atheists!
That's a COMPLETE BACKDOWN from the public claim, by an official atheist
body, that "Jesus is a real person, whose words atheists support and
defend, quoted in a text the atheists present as EVIDENCE..."
.. ALL TRUE..
" ..who spoke blasphemy.." not true.
>> The Irish atheists should be disowned and ex-communicated
>
> Atheists, not being communicants in the first place, are already
> ex-communicate.
Virgil not being the full Quid, suffers from IDD*
*Irony Deficit Disorder. B^]
> And they are patriots fighting for Irish freedoms,
Why do atheists start out claiming it's patriotic
to believe in Jesus, accept the Bible as true and support
what Jesus says UNTIL they realise that he isn't saying
what they thought, and then they start to BACKFLIP!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAA
Because atheists are RANK HYPOCRITES, Dishonest SLANDERERS!
Atheists only pretend to believe in FREE SPEECH when their
LIES and SLANDERS go unchallenged and abandon truth and
honesty when it's shown the Bible doesn't support THEIR LIES!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
fasgnadh
> On 1/5/10 10:17 PM, in article
> fSH0n.67031$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "fasgnadh"
> <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> XaurreauX wrote:
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>>>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>>
>> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
>> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
>> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
>>
>> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>
> No no no - the usual criticism of RELIGION is - it is pioneered by idiots
> like you.
Really? Well that more than facile nonsense, it's a lie.
I have not pioneered religion. pfffft!
So your feeble drivel is proof that Mark Twain was thinking of you when
he said;
I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning
religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the
monkey's.
[[Mark Twain in Eruption]
Just becasue you have NO FACTS and NO evidenc efor atheist LIES
about Jesus does not mean you can inflict the worthless OPINIONS
of Children's Fiction authors on us:
> [A C Grayling - The meaning of things]
Atheists know they have lost the attempt to slander
Jesus as a blasphemer.
In trying to do so they have accepted the Bible as a true
historical account, quoted and publicly stated they support, the words
of Jesus, and only failed when it came to UNDERSTANDING what those words
mean! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA
What would help them escape the pit of darkness, False Witness,
slander and lies they are immersed in?
> Turn the light on
That won't help, it's already BRIGHT DAYLIGHT,
and we can all see the problem, ..why you atheists remain..
..IN THE DARKNESS;
http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
> your god ain't there
Well the believers say He is Everywhere, but no
one would be surprised if you can't see much in
your Head Hanger! B^]
We note another atheist has ABANDONED the substantive
argument and wants to return to 'finding God' pffft!
Atheists have resigned from this FACT BASED, RATIONAL argument:
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > No no no - the usual criticism of THEIST RELIGIONS is - it is
> > pioneered by idiots like you.
>
> Really?
Really!
>
> I have not pioneered religion.
But there are enough idiots like Fasgnadh to have pioneered all of the
theist extant, and a few to boot.
>
> So theists feeble drivel is proof that Mark Twain was thinking of the
> likes of fasgnadh when he said;
>
> I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning
> religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the
> monkey's. [[Mark Twain in Eruption]
"'In God We Trust.' I don't believe it would sound any better if it
were true."
- Also by Mark Twain
>
>
>
> Just becasue you have NO FACTS and NO evidence
Based on absolutely NOBODY having ANY facts or evidence supporting any
gods, particularly no theists like fasgnadhhaving any, non-belief is
the only sane way to go.
>
> Atheists know they have lost the attempt to bring sanity to theists.
>
>
What would help theists escape the pit of self-deception and misery
that they walllow in.
>
> > your god ain't there
>
Well the believers say He is Everywhere, but manage to produce no
convincing evidence of it. We note another theist has ABANDONED the
substantive argument and wants to return to sanity.
> >>>> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the
> >>>> existence of Jesus as a god.
> >>
> >> Fine by me. B^]
> >>
> >>>> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of
> >>>> Jesus as a man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
> >>
> >> So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of
> >> us!
We're nonbelievers are way ahead of you.
> >>
> >> The whole "Son of God" thing is way too complex for any of you
> >> nonbelievers in Jesus... Next you will really confuse
> >> yourselves with that infernal Trinity.. keep it simple, Jesus
> >> on the Cross called to God.
And, according to your book, there was no answer.
> >>
> >> So you now have strong evidence of God operating in the world
We have strong evidence that only those in areas scoring low on the
human development index have any apparent need for theist religion.
> >>
> >> You all seem to rabbit on about other 'beliefs'.. especially
> >> Virgil and BJ, about the 'Son of God'.. What do you mean by
> >> that???
Sons of god are like ogres and and leprechauns, fairy tales to beguile
children.
> >>
> >> I have shown that the atheists publicly support Jesus
On the contrary, they supported the Sanhedrin.
> >>
> >> So far only the Sanhedrin, the Irish Atheists, BJ and Virgil have
> >> talked about this 'Son of God' thing.. explain yourselves!
Sons of god are like ogres and and leprechauns, fairy tales to beguile
children.
> >>
> >> We know the Sanhedrin used it to accuse Jesus of Blasphemy.. just
> >> like the atheists do.. but WHERE IS THE PROOF.
Buried in the same alleged tomb as the alleged decedent.
> >> Can you explain what you mean.. I'm an agnostic who deals in
> >> facts..
Fasgnadh "deals" with facts only by either ignoring them or lying about
them or denying them, or several of those options.
> >> Why would finding earthly remains be significant?
If any earthly remains could ever be proved to be those of the Jesus
that the Bible goes on about, it would certainly blow holes in the dogma
of almost all Christian sects from the RCs onwards.
In article
<da5b25cb-e210-40f1...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com@,
Immortalist <reanima...@yahoo.com@ wrote:
@ ...an alternative to traditional religion by the Humanist chaplain at
@ Harvard University
@
@ With the current state of the economy, the ongoing wars that rage
@ across the globe, and the unsettling changes to the earth's climate,
@ questions about the role of God and religion in world affairs have
@ never been more relevant or felt more powerfully. Many of us are
@ searching for a place where we can find not only facts and scientific
@ reason but also hope and the moral courage needed to overcome such
@ challenges. For some, answers to the most challenging questions are
@ found in the divine. For others, including the New Atheists, religion
@ has no place in the world and is, in fact, an "enemy."
@
@ But in Good Without God, Greg Epstein presents another, more balanced
@ and inclusive response: Humanism. With a focus on the positive, he
@ highlights humanity's potential for goodness and the ways in which
@ Humanists lead lives of purpose and compassion. Humanism can offer the
@ sense of community we want and often need in good times and bad, as we
@ celebrate marriages and the birth of our children, and as we care for
@ those who are elderly or sick. In short, Humanism teaches us that we
@ can lead good and moral lives without supernaturalism, without higher
@ powers . . . without God.
@
@ In this constructive response not only to his fellow atheists Richard
@ Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris but also to contemporary
@ religious leaders such as Rick Warren and Jim Wallis, Epstein makes a
@ bold claim for what nonbelievers do share and believe. At a time when
@ the debate about morality rages more fiercely than ever�and when
@ millions are searching for something they can put their faith in�
@ Humanism offers a comfort and hope that affirms our ability to live
@ ethical lives of personal fulfillment, aspiring together for the
@ greater good of all.
@
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Without-God-Billion-Nonreligious/dp/0061670111
fasgnadh
Game over for atheist who have nothing left but
to forge and lie.
Thread restored from last checkpoint before atheist virus infection:
fasgnadh wrote:
> Enkidu snips and RUNS from the facts, leaving another atheist lie:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>> Mike Jones wrote:
>>>> Responding to Trance Gemini:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 5, 6:19 am, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>>> Responding to Trance Gemini:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 4, 3:44 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2:56 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Responding to Trance Gemini:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 2, 8:03 am, fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new
>>>>>>>>>>> blasphemy law by publishing a series of anti-religious
>>>>>>>>>>> quotations on its website.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>
> What is clear is that Irish atheists not only believe
> in Jesus being real but also have publicly stated
> they support him.
>
> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy', two
> are from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
> and declare they will support:
>
> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
> and support his right to say what they have quoted:
>
> "we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> published or uttered..."
>
> Priceless! B^]
>
>
> Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
> are from real people, including Jesus, who they support!!! B^D
>
> And they acknowledge the Bible as their reliable Primary Source!
>
> Atheism 3.0 is REALLY TAKING OFF! Next they will be asking
> to be baptised!
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAA
>
> What the atheists HAVEN'T DONE is provide any proof that Jesus
> actually blasphemed, they are lying and slandering an innocent man,
> as usual. What they actually quoted shows Jesus to be INNOCENT of
> their charges of Blasphemy;
>
> Here is the first of the atheist quotes, nowhere do they
> show evidence of Jesus calling Himself "the Son of God" !
> Like the Sanhedrin whose HEARSAY they repeat in their own
> lies and slander, they HAVE NO PROOF, and what they offer shows
> Jesus saying something QUITE DIFFERENT;
>
>
>
> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
> in the clouds of heaven.�
>
> - Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>
> "WHERE IS YOUR PROOF FOR YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT JESUS"?
>
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
Since Fasgnadh snipped everything I wrote, I grant him the same courtesy.
See
http://www.mwmccarthy.com/hdi_v_religion/
or
http://atheism.110mb.com/
or
http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP07398441_c.pdf
to find out what Fasgnadh keeps snipping because he does not want anyone
to know.
Virgil
B J Foster
> B J Foster snips and misses the pont, AGAIN:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>> B J Foster wrote:
>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> B J Foster faces checkmate in 1 move:
>>>>>> fasgnadh showed atheists QUOTING Jesus, claiming he blasphemed:
>>>>>>> B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
>>>>>>>> fasgnadh defends Jesus from atheist slander and vilification:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new
>>>>>>>>> blasphemy law
>>>>>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its
>>>>>>>>> website."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>>>>>>>>
Ireland 2011:
http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/N/N05/N05195_9.jpg
Let the pogroms begin!
Faghdagh's attempts to extricate himself:
http://tinyurl.com/BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA