Does not detect child tabs when using LASTab

[Wesley G]

I am using Chrome because I am having some issues with the browser I usually use. So I am adding extensions to try and get all the functionality I know and love from my other browser. The issue is the tree structure with this addon is not accurate when using an extension called LASTab. What this other extension does is create all newly opened tabs at the end of the default behavior where it would normally load new tabs next to the tab where it was opened from. I hate the default method because I always keep losing track of where my tabs are because there is no logical order because new tabs are all over the place. Using LASTab I can keep track of where newer tabs are and thus have kind of a time line to reference what is where.

I just would like your extension to still know a tab was opened from this tab and keep its tree structure even though the newly opened tab is now at the end of the tabs list.

If that can be done I would love it.

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

I will check and will see what can be done. Yet maybe not in this year.

But till that, can I ask you to do something.

Please disable lasttab, and give TabsOutliner and the Chrome a chance

to show what they can done for you in term of visualizing tabs relation (ensure that Tree Style Tabs option is enabled in TO)

The default Chrome behavior combined with tree visualization abilities might really satisfy all your needs and work actually much better than a LasTab hack.

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

Also please consider to posting this problem in http://tabsoutliner.userecho.com/

so i will not forget.

But please do this ONLY after you will try to work several days with disabled lasttab

and really decide that this is so much important and no way you can life without it.

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

Also please consider to use other TreeStyleTabs extension there, there plenty of them. Maybe they already implement it is correctly. This is not a TreeStyleTab which your know from Firefox and was never actually trying to be one.

Even the Tree Style Tab mode appears there only recently and only because of huge demand and basically i don't like how the tree looks when it is enabled. 

By the way, your might actually try to disable it.

Then your lists will be much more clean and readable, and completely compatible with any other weird addon which roils with tabs ordering.

[Wesley G]

I already did testing before I posted and also tried other tree tabs. Non of the tree tabs extensions work right if you have another addon that makes tabs always appear on the right side. I must have new tabs on the end because otherwise I lose track of where my tabs are. Yours is the nicer tree tabs extension so that is why I made a post here.

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

>  Yours is the nicer tree tabs extension so that is why I made a post here.

Thanks.

But if i remember correctly my firefox experience the ordering about you talk is actually was maintained by TreeStyleTabs itself. not by separate addon. This might be impossible to implement as 2 separate addons, as if new tab is always opened in the end of tabs bar the tree will be destroyed soon or later

By the way i take a quick look at LASTab

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lastab/mjjejoceeofebhjldgahefongldeffha/related?hl=en

it is work for me without problems. Maybe i look at not the correct LASTab....

[Wesley G]

Well I just tried it and it just appears at the bottom as it appears last on the tab bar, it does not show it as a child from the original tab. Also when I open my browser and my default tabs load, I see tabs showing in your extension that do not actually exist.

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

Can i see a screenshot?

Also a list of all installed extension will be helpful. As LASTab is working for me... yet i not try very long.

By the way, Chrome does not open new tab behind the current one. The logic is more complex - it is open new tab in the end of the list of all the tabs opened from the current one, i really suggest to give it a try...

[Wesley G]

On the third screenshot you see I have active a tab. I opened a new tab with the middle mouse button from this active tab. On the tree section you see the new tab at the bottom. When I look at tabs on the top I need to see my new tabs on the last right side because then it is like a time line, so this is good I can see the last tab is the one that was just created (easy to keep track of "when" I opened something in relation to other tabs). The issue is on the tree side it looks like a fresh tab I opened and manually went to a website, when actually I opened that tab from the currently active tab. 

Can you enhance the extension so that it can detect a child tab being created and show it in the tree correctly even though on the top tab bar it appears in a different location than default?

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

The extension which create the problem is "New Tabs At End", as i see this from a list you post.

Maybe it is annoying to hear again, but please disable it and give TO and Chrome a try.

I ask screenshot because of this your phrase:

> I see tabs showing in your extension that do not actually exist.

I dont see this on your screenshot

Do your talk about gray tabs? This is saved tabs, they must not be in actual tabbar, but maybe you already know this....

[Wesley G]

How can I get my tabs at the end of the list without that extension? With Opera browser I always know where I am because my tabs are in logical order, each new tab starts at the end of the list, that way I can look back and have a feel for where the tab I want is. I seriously HATE the way chrome orders new tabs next to the originating tab because when I want to get back to 1 tab, now I need to know where the original tab was. It is just bad bad bad. I never lose tabs when they start at the end of the list.

Since this tree tabs extension is so nice, I would like to be able to still see child tabs in the tree, while they appear as normal with their position on the top tab bar based on the extension that moves new tabs to the end.

This must be possible because if I make a new tab and place it next to one, it does not show as a tree child tab. So your extension should be able to still know a child tab was created maybe?

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

Will try some experiment, i am near sure your will don't do this, or maybe even do this the way i will regret i ask, but think this might be an interesting experiment anyway.

So, first of all, what your ask is impossible to implement. Some time ago i investigate this problem actually and there is really only bad solutions to it. There is no way how tree can be maintained if you run an extensions like "New Tabs At End". The best solution is not to use it. Many time was spent to work seamlessly with original Chrome ordering which your seems hate, the other orderings is a next major step, and a big one, not sure this will be soon, will not give false promises to you, and by the way i like the Chrome default.

The saved tabs your see is from the last session most likely (from you last total Chrome close), this is actually a bug, as they must be deleted actually, but meantime this extension is not work very well in scenario when "reopen on restart all my tabs" is enabled in Chrome.

And it is not recommended to use  this mode actually - much better is close-save all the needed tabs using the Close-Save all Open windows button in Tabs Outliner, and then, on next restart reopen only the really needed tabs. Also in chrome you always can reopen a window you close using the restore last closed window (from context menu in Chrome Sidebar, or from menu in the bottom of the any new tab)

Despite all of this, and the fact the when i see your G+ profile, and read that you have 130IQ and see a bunch of "no track" extensions and the fact that you "HATE", and a completely normal way to manage the tabs is a "bad bad bad" for your, the first idea i have is that most likely there is simple stupid to ask anything such a person ; ) I will try anyway, simple as experiment.

So the request:

How about to go in reviews and to help this project by setting 5 star ; ) Yes i am not satisfy your, but at list spent my time on this issue - will be cool to see some reciprocity.

Most likely you will use this extension and i think you interested in its success, this will really help attract some more users, and along with them there will be more chances to bugfixes and new features. And who know, maybe i will even implement the Opera ordering if many users will ask this (the best way is to post this as feature request in tabsoutliner.userecho.com and leave it to collect votes of other users, i will definitely do this if there will be many up votes for such ф feature). 

I will be very grateful for such a act. 

And many other users who will find this extension because of this, also (yet only in some karmic way ; ).

Also worth mention that setting anything below 5 stars will do actually a harm, so if you cannot set 5, better not set anything at all. Of course if only this is not your aim - "to show something". Will be also slightly grateful if you dont do anything instead of setting 4 o r 3 or 2 or 1 star, as many former firefox/opera haters do already... but the 5 stars will really amaze me ; )

Also i decide to do something for my own live in result how will you vote ; ) So please do this - very interesting : )

Best regards, Vladyslav.

[Wesley G]

I gave you a 5 star rating. I will follow the progress of this extension.

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

Unbelievable actually - thank you!!! ; )

And maybe i must ask for excuse for being rude : )

So i think it worth to continue.

Ho do you propose to implement this?

I will give you example:

for example we starting in condition like this

TabToSearchForX

TabToSearchForY

then we click bunch of links in TabY, after that we click bunch of links in TabX

The chrome and TO will generate such a tree:

TabToSearchForX

   - firstClickedLinkInX

   - secondClickedLinkInX

TabToSearchForY

   - firstClickedLinkInY

   - secondClickedLinkInY

   - thirdClickedLinkInY

now the Chrome with "tabs to the end" installed will do that instead:

TabToSearchForX

TabToSearchForY

   - firstClickedLinkInY

   - secondClickedLinkInY

   - thirdClickedLinkInY

- firstClickedLinkInX

- secondClickedLinkInX

So how do you propose to combine the X links to the X root through the Y hierarchy?

[Wesley G]

Yes, so the tab bar on chrome looks like this:

[Tab A] [Tab B] [Tab C] [Tab A New 1] [Tab A New 2] [Tab B New 1] [Tab B New 2]

But the tree looks like:

+ [Tab A]

   - [Tab A New 1]

   - [Tab A New 2]

+ [Tab B]

   - [Tab B New 1]

   - [Tab B New 2]

[Tab C]

This way you can still use the extension method of having new tabs show on the end so you can logically keep track of your tabs horizontally so you can track back through time and have a feeling for where a tab will be based on how long ago you visited it. Then you can use the vertical tree structure to see it in a logical category view so you can see that you clicked two things from Tab A because they are under the tree for Tab A.

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

So you actually want that TO tree and Chrome will not be synchronized.

Understand.

If only you know how it was complex to implement the exactly synchronized ordering : )))))))

By the way, the Sidewise Tree Style Tabs (which  i see you try) is at first had own ordering,

not very synchronized to Chrome - and a lot of users really highly complain in its support group about this.

this is possible of course, but i will not lie, i highly doubts i will do it....

In additional this will create a lot of problems when users will be manipulate tabs in the tree, most, if not all, expect that such manipulations will change the ordering in the actual tab bar....

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

Also it is possible to multiselect tabs in chrome tab bar (with ctrl or shift pressed) and move them in sets, really this is much more handy when related tabs is grouped.

The timeline ordering maybe have some uses, but i am really can not image any...

If only you often open a lot of tabs in one window, like 50-100 in ONE window

then yes

but now, when there is much better observability of all the windows in a system, it is really simple to create a new window for every new topic (maybe you know that shift click on a link create a new window instead of new tab) and the windows will be ordered by time of creation.....

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

Very sorry i cannot do this feature, the ordering issues is all around the code, this will have enormous impact on functionality and usability. There is no way i can even put this in options. Yet i will submit this in userecho group - if this will be upvoted highly maybe i will think again.

Must go.

Thanks again for rate (yet now i must spent a lot of time on some things ; ) 

Once again my excuses for creating some drama ; )

Merry Christmas!!! and Best regards, you actually really shake my assuredness in my ability to recognize the characters, I was sure you will set 1 star or something like this : ))))) 

PS and sorry for my English : )

[Wesley G]

I regularly have between 20 - 60 tabs open usually in my browser. Like Steve Gibson, I leave my tabs open so I can come back to them.

[Vladyslav Volovyk]

546 right now ; )

20-30 i do in one burst usually... : )