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Luca Bruno
Aug 20, 2008, 8:34:34 AM8/20/08
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Hello,
after Syx code has been moved to repo.or.cz, the google code page is used only as homepage.
Google code now only holds information about the project.
Since syx.netsons.org is hosting the documentation, I was thinking to make a better good-looking homepage for holding such information.
I think a new homepage could organize pages better.
What do you think? Is it better to keep sticking with Google code?
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Hello,
after Syx code has been moved to repo.or.cz, the google code page is used only as homepage.
Google code now only holds information about the project.
Since syx.netsons.org is hosting the documentation, I was thinking to make a better good-looking homepage for holding such information.
I think a new homepage could organize pages better.
What do you think? Is it better to keep sticking with Google code?
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http://lethalman.blogspot.com - Thoughts about computer technologies
http://www.ammazzatecitutti.org - Ammazzateci tutti
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rahul
Aug 20, 2008, 2:10:09 PM8/20/08
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| Hello,
| after Syx code has been moved to repo.or.cz, the google code page is used only as homepage.
| Google code now only holds information about the project.
| Since syx.netsons.org is hosting the documentation, I was thinking to make a better good-looking homepage for holding such information.
| I think a new homepage could organize pages better.
|
| What do you think? Is it better to keep sticking with Google code?
| after Syx code has been moved to repo.or.cz, the google code page is used only as homepage.
| Google code now only holds information about the project.
| Since syx.netsons.org is hosting the documentation, I was thinking to make a better good-looking homepage for holding such information.
| I think a new homepage could organize pages better.
|
| What do you think? Is it better to keep sticking with Google code?
Perhaps you could keep the syx googlecode page as another front-end, but
redirect all links to syx.netsons.org. (I like googlecode as it is a
simple place to remember)
| http://syx.googlecode.com - Smalltalk YX
| http://lethalman.blogspot.com - Thoughts about computer technologies
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Luca Bruno
Aug 20, 2008, 2:36:39 PM8/20/08
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rahul <blu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps you could keep the syx googlecode page as another front-end, but
> redirect all links to syx.netsons.org. (I like googlecode as it is a
> simple place to remember)
Yes, also because until the new homepage is completely reindexed by search engines and other pages we can't drop it.
rahul <blu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps you could keep the syx googlecode page as another front-end, but
> redirect all links to syx.netsons.org. (I like googlecode as it is a
> simple place to remember)
A redirect will be fine forever :)
You can find the work here:
http://repo.or.cz/w/syx.git?a=tree;f=website;hb=website
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Lethalman
Aug 20, 2008, 5:29:21 PM8/20/08
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Uploaded: http://syx.netsons.org
I'm using netsons because it's already hosting the documentation. Feel
free to suggest any other solutions.
I'm using netsons because it's already hosting the documentation. Feel
free to suggest any other solutions.
ZuLuuuuuu
Aug 21, 2008, 12:00:03 PM8/21/08
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It is not a free account right?
The downside of Google Code is that you can't host a custom web site.
But it is fine if you don't have a custom web site :) If you are
thinking of creating a web site like Io's or GNU Smalltalk's then it
would be a good idea to move to a serious hosting solution, otherwise
I would suggest sticking with Google Code because it provides a nice
mailing list and enough opportunities for such young projects, for
free. Also maintaining a custom web site will bring more duties onto
your shoulders.
The downside of Google Code is that you can't host a custom web site.
But it is fine if you don't have a custom web site :) If you are
thinking of creating a web site like Io's or GNU Smalltalk's then it
would be a good idea to move to a serious hosting solution, otherwise
I would suggest sticking with Google Code because it provides a nice
mailing list and enough opportunities for such young projects, for
free. Also maintaining a custom web site will bring more duties onto
your shoulders.
Luca Bruno
Aug 21, 2008, 3:05:26 PM8/21/08
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ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> It is not a free account right?
>
It is.
ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is not a free account right?
>
> The downside of Google Code is that you can't host a custom web site.
> But it is fine if you don't have a custom web site :) If you are
> thinking of creating a web site like Io's or GNU Smalltalk's then it
> would be a good idea to move to a serious hosting solution
but I think it's good to change stuff sometimes ;)
> , otherwise
> I would suggest sticking with Google Code because it provides a nice
> mailing list and enough opportunities for such young projects, for
> free.
> Also maintaining a custom web site will bring more duties onto
> your shoulders.
>
What you think?
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rahul
Aug 21, 2008, 3:47:13 PM8/21/08
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> It's only an HTML website for information, documentation and downloads, nothing more.
>
> What you think?
>
> What you think?
I like the yellow color theme, The font in gray boxes looks a tad too
large. But otherwise nice.
Luca Bruno
Aug 21, 2008, 3:59:04 PM8/21/08
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rahul <blu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like the yellow color theme, The font in gray boxes looks a tad too
> large. But otherwise nice.
Thanks very much, I'm _absolutely_ not good with graphics. Feel free to suggest a size, I'm using 1.2em, I thought it wasn't so big, maybe because I like large font sizes :) 1.1em is not so bad, can you try?
rahul <blu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like the yellow color theme, The font in gray boxes looks a tad too
> large. But otherwise nice.
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Lethalman
Aug 21, 2008, 4:55:16 PM8/21/08
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Added screenshots: http://syx.netsons.org/screenshots.html
And a simple row with the status of the project in homepage:
http://syx.netsons.org/index.html
And a simple row with the status of the project in homepage:
http://syx.netsons.org/index.html
ZuLuuuuuu
Aug 22, 2008, 4:20:49 AM8/22/08
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On 21 Ağustos, 22:05, Luca Bruno <lethalma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It is not a free account right?
>
> It is.
>
domain providers.
> Once Syx grows we'll need to host packages and so on, it's not the time for that,
> but I think it's good to change stuff sometimes ;)
>
working :D
>
> Mailing list and issue tracker are still there :)
>
syx.netsons.org, code is on repo.or.cz, mailing list is on
groups.google.com/group/syx-discuss etc...
>
> It's only an HTML website for information, documentation and downloads, nothing more.
>
> What you think?
first place is usefullness and it looks promising. Another suggestion
I can make is using a dynamic way to create the site (PHP or a script
written in another language to compile things). Using plain HTML will
be too painful as the web site grows. There is a Python script in the
repository but I don't know what it does yet, maybe it is a script
which creates the web site dynamically?
Oh also, if you want the web site to look the same on every computer,
I suggest using pixels or puntos instead of em. Because em is a
magnitude relative to the user settings. It may look different on
different computers. It is used for accesibility, I guess (A web site
with too much text on it may leave it to the user to enlarge or shrink
the text for his/her eyes health, for example.).
Luca Bruno
Aug 22, 2008, 6:33:37 AM8/22/08
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ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't suggest using it then. You can never rely on free hosting/
> domain providers.
>
Google code is free hosting and I couldn't rely on the SVN repository.
ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't suggest using it then. You can never rely on free hosting/
> domain providers.
>
So I can't rely on its wiki too which sometimes is under maintainance for entire days.
I think free hosting is good for a static website until the project grows.
Once we get a real hosting it's worth making a big all-in-one website, and it needs time for being both created and maintained.
> But the web site is too much broken into pieces. Web site is on
> syx.netsons.org, code is on repo.or.cz, mailing list is on
> groups.google.com/group/syx-discuss etc...
>
Why is this a problem?
> The design can certainly be improved but the important thing in the
> first place is usefullness and it looks promising. Another suggestion
> I can make is using a dynamic way to create the site (PHP or a script
> written in another language to compile things).
> Using plain HTML will
> be too painful as the web site grows.
> There is a Python script in the
> repository but I don't know what it does yet, maybe it is a script
> which creates the web site dynamically?
>
> Oh also, if you want the web site to look the same on every computer,
> I suggest using pixels or puntos instead of em. Because em is a
> magnitude relative to the user settings. It may look different on
> different computers. It is used for accesibility, I guess (A web site
> with too much text on it may leave it to the user to enlarge or shrink
> the text for his/her eyes health, for example.).
Maybe I'm wrong.
Waiting for a reply :)
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ZuLuuuuuu
Aug 22, 2008, 11:38:19 AM8/22/08
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On 22 Ağustos, 13:33, Luca Bruno <lethalma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Aren't "em" relative to the parent font size? The font size is fixed in pixels in the body css.
> Maybe I'm wrong.
>
size as a fixed size then there is no problem (because all em sizes
are relative to its parent tag and body is the parent of all).
All others were just suggestions, so it depends on choice of course :)
Luca Bruno
Aug 22, 2008, 2:34:41 PM8/22/08
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ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Ah yes, I didn't look at the css. Yes, if you define the body font
> size as a fixed size then there is no problem (because all em sizes
> are relative to its parent tag and body is the parent of all).
>
Wow then I'm starting to understand something on CSS :P
ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah yes, I didn't look at the css. Yes, if you define the body font
> size as a fixed size then there is no problem (because all em sizes
> are relative to its parent tag and body is the parent of all).
>
> All others were just suggestions, so it depends on choice of course :)
If you really want to do something different, continue discussing. You can begin initiatives and make patches as you like.
blufox, do you see big fonts still after the fixed font-size commit? It's ok to me to drop it from 12em to 11em in gray boxes.
Let me know!!
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rahul
Aug 22, 2008, 3:42:12 PM8/22/08
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> I'm open to all suggestions, you all know. We were discussing, the website hasn't been announced yet.
> If you really want to do something different, continue discussing. You can begin initiatives and make patches as you like.
>
> blufox, do you see big fonts still after the fixed font-size commit? It's ok to me to drop it from 12em to 11em in gray boxes.
>
> Let me know!!
> If you really want to do something different, continue discussing. You can begin initiatives and make patches as you like.
>
> blufox, do you see big fonts still after the fixed font-size commit? It's ok to me to drop it from 12em to 11em in gray boxes.
>
> Let me know!!
Yes, I certainly like the font size better now.
Does your hosting provider allow you to run CGI's ? If they do,
perhaps it would be interesting to do the backend with Syx as a
fastcgi server? or some thing like this
http://www.fractalconcept.com/asp/html/mod_lisp.html ?
(I would be very interested, but will need a lot of guidance like you
did of X :) )
Luca Bruno
Aug 22, 2008, 3:55:24 PM8/22/08
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rahul <blu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I certainly like the font size better now.
>
Ok, any other suggestions are welcome.
rahul <blu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I certainly like the font size better now.
>
> Does your hosting provider allow you to run CGI's ? If they do,
> perhaps it would be interesting to do the backend with Syx as a
> fastcgi server? or some thing like this
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/asp/html/mod_lisp.html ?
> (I would be very interested, but will need a lot of guidance like you
> did of X :) )
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Lethalman
Aug 22, 2008, 4:23:55 PM8/22/08
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Ok added both install: http://syx.netsons.org/install.html
and documentation: http://syx.netsons.org/documentation.html
I've created a repository for debian until it's not in unstable.
Waiting for critiques :)
and documentation: http://syx.netsons.org/documentation.html
I've created a repository for debian until it's not in unstable.
Waiting for critiques :)
Lethalman
Aug 22, 2008, 7:40:09 PM8/22/08
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I'll be glade if you hint me something to put instead of my blog:
http://syx.netsons.org/community.html
Or if you want we can keep it ;)
http://syx.netsons.org/community.html
Or if you want we can keep it ;)
rahul
Aug 23, 2008, 2:24:09 AM8/23/08
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>
> Ok, any other suggestions are welcome.
>
One silly observation,> Ok, any other suggestions are welcome.
>
The syx graphics at the top looks _very_ grainy and takes about 10
seconds to load in my
comp. (the rest of the page loads under 1 sec).
Luca Bruno
Aug 23, 2008, 4:18:01 AM8/23/08
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ZuLuuuuuu
Aug 23, 2008, 5:58:00 AM8/23/08
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The grainyness is because of shrinking of the image by the browser. If
you look at the original images like:
http://syx.netsons.org/images/community-ml.png
or
http://syx.netsons.org/images/syx-logo.png
you can see that it is actually not grainy and bigger. I don't know,
though, why the images are shrinked, maybe table cells are too small?
you look at the original images like:
http://syx.netsons.org/images/community-ml.png
or
http://syx.netsons.org/images/syx-logo.png
you can see that it is actually not grainy and bigger. I don't know,
though, why the images are shrinked, maybe table cells are too small?
Luca Bruno
Aug 23, 2008, 6:08:37 AM8/23/08
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ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The grainyness is because of shrinking of the image by the browser. If
> you look at the original images like:
>
> http://syx.netsons.org/images/community-ml.png
> or
> http://syx.netsons.org/images/syx-logo.png
>
> you can see that it is actually not grainy and bigger. I don't know,
> though, why the images are shrinked, maybe table cells are too small?
>
I shrink them in the CSS. I can see them normally, I'm using gecko and they look good with webkit too.
ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The grainyness is because of shrinking of the image by the browser. If
> you look at the original images like:
>
> http://syx.netsons.org/images/community-ml.png
> or
> http://syx.netsons.org/images/syx-logo.png
>
> you can see that it is actually not grainy and bigger. I don't know,
> though, why the images are shrinked, maybe table cells are too small?
>
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ZuLuuuuuu
Aug 23, 2008, 12:09:15 PM8/23/08
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Actually; using CSS, style attribute or width/height attributes, all
leave it to the browser to resize the image and this leads to
different resizing quality between different browser engines and they
are usually not good. That's why it is suggested to shrink them on an
image editor like GIMP or Photoshop.
By the way, I also realised that round corners are not shown in Opera
browser.
On 23 Ağustos, 13:08, Luca Bruno <lethalma...@gmail.com> wrote:
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leave it to the browser to resize the image and this leads to
different resizing quality between different browser engines and they
are usually not good. That's why it is suggested to shrink them on an
image editor like GIMP or Photoshop.
By the way, I also realised that round corners are not shown in Opera
browser.
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> ZuLuuuuuu <canol.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The grainyness is because of shrinking of the image by the browser. If
> > you look at the original images like:
>
> >http://syx.netsons.org/images/community-ml.png
> > or
> >http://syx.netsons.org/images/syx-logo.png
>
> > you can see that it is actually not grainy and bigger. I don't know,
> > though, why the images are shrinked, maybe table cells are too small?
>
> I shrink them in the CSS. I can see them normally, I'm using gecko and they look good with webkit too.
>
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>
> > The grainyness is because of shrinking of the image by the browser. If
> > you look at the original images like:
>
> >http://syx.netsons.org/images/community-ml.png
> > or
> >http://syx.netsons.org/images/syx-logo.png
>
> > you can see that it is actually not grainy and bigger. I don't know,
> > though, why the images are shrinked, maybe table cells are too small?
>
> I shrink them in the CSS. I can see them normally, I'm using gecko and they look good with webkit too.
>
Luca Bruno
Aug 23, 2008, 4:40:51 PM8/23/08
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ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Actually; using CSS, style attribute or width/height attributes, all
> leave it to the browser to resize the image and this leads to
> different resizing quality between different browser engines and they
> are usually not good. That's why it is suggested to shrink them on an
> image editor like GIMP or Photoshop.
>
Yes maybe it's better to not use em for widths but using exact pixels and resizing the image to the right scale.
ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually; using CSS, style attribute or width/height attributes, all
> leave it to the browser to resize the image and this leads to
> different resizing quality between different browser engines and they
> are usually not good. That's why it is suggested to shrink them on an
> image editor like GIMP or Photoshop.
>
> By the way, I also realised that round corners are not shown in Opera
> browser.
>
Would you want to do this task? :)
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ZuLuuuuuu
Aug 23, 2008, 5:37:00 PM8/23/08
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> They only work in mozilla. It needs some time for creating such corners, though there are online services that automate this.
> Would you want to do this task? :)
>
will be back hopefully in a month or so :(
Luca Bruno
Aug 24, 2008, 6:10:57 AM8/24/08
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ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would if I weren't on another city and have my computer with me :) I
> will be back hopefully in a month or so :(
Ahah ok :) Keep going with reports ;)
ZuLuuuuuu <canol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would if I weren't on another city and have my computer with me :) I
> will be back hopefully in a month or so :(
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