Book Scanner

[n8]

I want to see what kind of support I can rally for putting one of these at the shop:

http://www.diybookscanner.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2593

The frame schematics are online. We probably need to do some fundraising to get cameras for it. Everything else should be pretty cheap. I've cut the bindings off a few of my books, but that always seems so wrong to be doing. Thoughts?

[Andrew Morrow]

YES.  

Andrew

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[Krux]

It looks like a good shopbot project.  I don't see it as being incrediby useful to me personally, but then I still prefer physical books. 


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[Andrew Morrow]

There are several older books that I have that are out of print that I would LOVE to preserve digitally.  These are not candidates for removing spines, and this non-destructive option is hugely appealing to me!

Andrew

[Aakin Patel]

I want one. This would be so awesome to have...

- Aakin

- Aakin

[Matthew Dey]

We could get book binding tools and make our own customized reprints of out of copyright books as well. For example an old family bible with annotations from  their great grandpa could be scanned in and the annotations digitally added into footnotes rather than in the margins or perhaps an old copy of a popular novel like The Sea Wolf with the wonderful black and white artwork and borders preserved in a pdf. Another example would be to copy in an old journal so that the thoughts and ideas of generations past can be preserved for future generations. A book scanner could open the door to a number of other projects that could be very meaningful to some folks.

[Pawel Szymczykowski]

I'm looping in David Scheuneman - back when opening /usr/lib we had a conversation about building one there but never did so due to space and time constraints.

David, you should check out the SYN Shop at http://synshop.org and see if you're interested in getting in on this book scanner build. :)

-Pawel 

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[Tyson Anderson]

How does that design compare to the one google recently released?

http://hackaday.com/2012/11/16/google-books-team-open-sources-their-book-scanner/

[Nathan Bryant]

That's pretty cool, but looks a bit trickier to make. It's aluminum or stainless steel instead of wood. It uses the guts of an expensive high speed scanner instead of 2 digital cameras. The automated page turning is nice, but I didn't get a chance to watch the video. I'll look at it a bit more when I get good internet. It seems like the type of thing that could be finicky to get working, so it would be nice to find some build experiences with it. FYI, there's a recent arstechnica review of the build process for the first one I posted. I hadn't seen the google one before though, so it's good to know it exists. :)

Nathan

[Andrew Morrow]

The google design is great but very complex in comparison (aside from being more expensive).  The first design allows us to use the shopbot to do most of the fabrication while the google device involves a lot of metal work.

As an aside, I have the exact same LED light that was used in the one Nathan linked to, and would be happy to contribute it.

When it comes to camera options, there are some webcams now that are in the 6MP range that will do amazing work so long as the light is consistent, and we can ensure that it is.  That should knock the price down a chunk.

[Aakin Patel]

Also, last year's digital point and shoots are dirt cheap. And crazy
high resolution.

- Aakin

- Aakin

[Andrew]

I just wanted to open this back up.   If we can agree to do this, I should be able to pay for most or all of the expenses, and would be happy to do the actual assembly!

[Monera Mason]

I point out that we have a lot of LDS in the city who do have 5 generation's of journals that they might pay to have scanned or become members just for scanning access. So if its a shop tool I would like to try a targeted campagin.

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[Nathan Bryant]

I haven't forgotten about it. It's just been slipping on my project list. I have to sleep some times. :) I download the drawings and look at them briefly a couple of weeks ago. They need to be turned into tool paths in partworks. There are 3 sheets of 3/4" plywood at the shop. Some of that is for the table saw cabinet, but we need to buy melamine for that anyways so it's not a big deal to repurpose one for the scanner. I don't recall what other hardware it requires. Probably some bearings and nuts and bolts. A piece of glass for the platen. The triggering system could probably made electronic. The bike brake lever one seems a bit funky.

Then there's the electronics. If someone were to take that on, I'd be more motivated to do the mechanics. :)

On May 20, 2013 7:57 AM, "Andrew" <amo...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Andrew Morrow]

I'm looking at the electronics right now.   I think I've got a few options that should make it better than the original, and a digital trigger is easy peasy.  I ordered (and got last week) another 30w LED flood specifically for this project, and will start building a project box (like a box to hold the bits in this case) this week. :)

[Nathan Bryant]

Cool. I'm at the shop tonight, so I'll look around the site more and see what kind of other hardware is needed and how much plywood. I think this has a lot of small parts that could be good for using up scrap.

[Krux]

I don't really see that as a good idea. That is probably not our target market.  SYN Shop is not a book scanning business.  We are a group focused toward makers.  I rather have members who are a part of the shop because they want to make things, not because a few of our members made a book scanner.

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Monera Mason <mon...@gmail.com> wrote:

I point out that we have a lot of LDS in the city who do have 5 generation's of journals that they might pay to have scanned or become members just for scanning access. So if its a shop tool I would like to try a targeted campagin.

On May 20, 2013 7:57 AM, "Andrew" <amo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just wanted to open this back up.   If we can agree to do this, I should be able to pay for most or all of the expenses, and would be happy to do the actual assembly!

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:54:37 AM UTC-8, n8 wrote:

I want to see what kind of support I can rally for putting one of these at the shop:

http://www.diybookscanner.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2593

The frame schematics are online. We probably need to do some fundraising to get cameras for it. Everything else should be pretty cheap. I've cut the bindings off a few of my books, but that always seems so wrong to be doing. Thoughts?

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[Aakin Patel]

We already have members who are there just for one tool. If they are willing to be active members of the shop, I don't see a problem with it.

- Aakin

[Andrew Johnson]

I have access to a Kodak Scanner that can scan I think about 60 ppm dual sided and in full color... But yes unfortunately you have to cut the bindings to use it.

I have written custom software for it to generate high quality PDFs as we were not happy with the compression used by the default Kodak Imaging software.. it would not be terribly hard to change my code to pull photos from webcams instead of the scanner. If we go with a DIY solution that doesnt need the bindings cut.

-Andrew

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[Matthew Dey]

I agree with Aakin, how many member's come just to 3d print or to have a laser cutter? I also agree with krux, we shouldn't keep it in the shop 24/7 as it can be a liability issue (some book gets lost like a 100 year old family journal or a rare book and we'll never hear the end of it because such a loss would indeed be tragic).

A book scanner could be made as a project (thus making things) but its practical application could be used by the members who made it for whatever purpose they desire. I don't know if keeping it in the shop 24/7 is the best idea but I wouldn't discourage folks from keeping the finished product over at the shop while people want to actively use it and are there and present with it and the books. If people choose to donate to the shop or join the group for other reasons this is only a benefit to the shop. The exception I can think of is unless of course the people are going to keep the books stored elsewhere and only the books being scanned with a person there are in the shop. For example and event could be set up and they could hold a day or two inviting their friends to drop off books which are returned to them after all the scanning is done that day or they could keep the books at their house and use the scanner when only they are at the shop (no dropping it in the machine and wandering off for lunch). Also I don't want people stuck in the shop all night while the scanner is doing its job, that would be a safety risk because there is only glass between the people and anybody who might break in.

It definitely wouldn't bother me if they kept the whole thing at home and did the books scanning as their own home business and donate money back to synshop, its their project they can do what they like.

-Matt

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[kr...@thcnet.net]

> I agree with Aakin, how many member's come just to 3d print or to have a
> laser cutter?

Those tools are used to make things. It's what we do.

> I also agree with krux, we shouldn't keep it in the shop 24/7
> as it can be a liability issue (some book gets lost like a 100 year old
> family journal or a rare book and we'll never hear the end of it because
> such a loss would indeed be tragic).

Scanning books isn't making things. Making a book scanner is making things.
And yes, having the book scanner available to members is a nice thing provided
there is space and it's getting used. However we are not a library. If you
are becoming a member just so you can scan books, then you are not in our
demographic, and we probably don't want you as a member. We are a
hackerspace. Our purpose is to provide a place where you can learn and make
things, and be with other people who also like to learn and make things.

I would say if we want to get additional income from the book scanner, we can
choose to hold a meetup event where members of the public can come to the shop
and scan their books, and we would encourage a donation or just charge a flat
rate for the "class" on book scanning. You could even talk about how the book
scanner works, and what hardware is required to build one. Then if people
want to become a member so they can build their own book scanner, then that's
great.

And while we are on the subject of people who become a member just to use one
tool. Perhaps that isn't such a good thing either. If we see someone who
just seems to only be using the shop for one tool, talk to them and find
out what their project is. Ask if they are interested in learning how to use
any of the other tools. If you have a big project and want some help, see if
they would like to help out. You are going to have people who just keep to
themselves as part of the shop. You will get people who paid for a month's
membership because they needed access to a laser cutter, and once their
project is finished, you'll never see them again.

I always say that the single most important benifit of a hackerspace is the
people. If you show up to a place for a month, and no one talks to you, why
would you want to stick around once you're done? It's the interaction with
other makers that keeps members interested in SYN Shop. I've met so many
awesome people through our hackerspace and other hackerspaces. That's why I
stared this whole thing. Anyone can have a garage full of tools. We give you
more than that.