Shutting down SymPy Gamma

[Aaron Meurer]

Hi all.

As you may know, SymPy Gamma (https://sympygamma.com/) is a site that works similar to Wolfram Alpha, but using SymPy under the hood. SymPy Gamma runs on the Google App Engine.

Currently our Google App Engine bills are over $100 a month, with about 3/4 going to SymPy Gamma and the rest going to SymPy Live. These bills are paid from our SymPy NumFOCUS account, which is funded from donations. 

This is all money that would be better spent on the SymPy community.  

Additionally, SymPy Gamma is currently very under-maintained.  As you can see from https://github.com/sympy/sympy_gamma, the most recent commit was from April of last year.  These changes are mostly maintenance changes. No major features have been added to the site since 2014. Furthermore, the site runs SymPy 1.6.2, which was released in 2020. The primary issue is that none of us on the SymPy development team are web developers, so are not really able to do much with the site. 

What I would like to see is for someone to convert SymPy Gamma  to something that uses pyiodide so that it runs entirely in the browser and does not require any hosting costs.  However, this would require someone to step up and volunteer to do this. It would also be good to do something similar for SymPy Live (live.sympy.org and the extension in docs.sympy.org), although this is lower priority right now because SymPy Live is only costing a third of what SymPy Gamma is. 

By the way, if you are interested in doing this, it might be possible to get paid to do it via a NumFOCUS small development grant. See https://groups.google.com/g/sympy/c/VI1BJiWH_aY. Reach out to me if you are interested. 

Barring this, I suggest we shut down SymPy Gamma entirely. We will leave the source code up if anyone wants to run it themselves on the App Engine.

Aaron Meurer

[Jason Moore]

One free way to run an app like this is to run it on Heruko's free tier (maybe appengine has that too). It will have limits on # users and resource use, but at least it will run.

Jason

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[Aaron Meurer]

I believe the App Engine already works that way. It is on a tiered system, meaning the first X hours are free and any further hours are billed at some rate. Based on the current billing table, I believe if we switched off billing so that it turned off once the free tier is used up each month, then Gamma would only last for about the first 10 days of each month, and Live would only last for about the first 20 days (assuming I did the math on it right. The Google Cloud console is not easy to read). 

Simply switching off billing for Gamma may be better than shutting it down entirely, with a note on the main page that it may not function at all times until it can be updated.

Aaron Meurer

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[Aman Sharma]

Hello everyone, 

I am in fact working on making sympy live using Vue and Pyodide. I am still new to Web Development (started learning 3 weeks ago) and will update with my progress, probably in a week. 

Since I'm still new, I may not be the best person to do the project alone but I would be willing to collaborate.

Aman Sharma

amanshar...@gmail.com

Github: mostlyaman