Replacement for Norton Navigator
Ed Rubeo
Symantec keeps saying it won't upgrade Navigator. I'm tired of seeing
them ignore the demands of their customers posted here. Does anyone
have suggestions for a replacement (to run under Windows 98)?
I need ftp support, compression/decompression as well as file
management.
John Sobkowicz
On 18 Jun 1998 10:04:57 GMT, Ed Rubeo <eru...@ulysses.sebridge.org>
wrote:
> them ignore the demands of their customers posted here. Does anyone
> have suggestions for a replacement (to run under Windows 98)?
Well, I just second your question. I REALLY like File Manager -
Windows Explorer and My Computer don't even come close. So why is
Symantec orphaning it??
Joel Cook/Symantec
Several folks have recommended PowerDesk from Mijenix. It does not have
all the features of the NFM, but it's the closest match I know of.
--
Regards,
Joel Cook
Symantec Corporation
Please continue to post your messages in the public discussion groups since
Symantec does not provide support via private e-mail.
Joel Cook/Symantec
I would love to see the NFM continue on, but sales of it were not
sufficient to continue developing it.
John Freeman
I recently purchased PowerDesk Utilities 98 after reading about NFM
disappearing. I've been very happy with it. It's like a
super-enhanced NFM and Windows Explorer. Look at:
Ed Rubeo <eru...@ulysses.sebridge.org> wrotr:
>Symantec keeps saying it won't upgrade Navigator. I'm tired of seeing
>them ignore the demands of their customers posted here. Does anyone
>have suggestions for a replacement (to run under Windows 98)?
>
Joel Cook/Symantec
Thank you for your input. PowerDesk has been a frequent suggestion as an
alternative to Norton Navigator.
Stuart G. Sigmond
Way back when, I just knew when Symantec devoured Central Point, that
something like this would happen. I wonder what kind of deal Microsoft and
Symantec made that influenced (to use a civil term) Symantec to dump the
best and most useful utility ever created for Win95? (With all due
respect to those associated with that once great company that really
created it -- for Win3.1)
Why else would all of us devoted users be getting the shaft?
Anyone who uses NN for a while can never go back to Explorer (except for
odd tasks like right clicking and installing a .inf file). If those of us
who eventually purchase Win98 replace NN with another program, some
company stands to make money. Why wouldn't Symantec want to be that
company by just keeping the program alive? There has to be a darker and
more devious reason.
John Freeman wrote:
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Stu Sigmond
s...@ushwy1.com
Joel Cook/Symantec
I believe you're reading far more into this than there really is. Norton
Navigator simply wasn't selling in sufficient quantities to pay for its own
development costs. Interestingly enough, Central Point was on the verge of
financial ruin and had for some time been actively looking for a buyer when
Symantec came along.
Ed Rubeo
Symantec also purchased Xtree. Whatever happened to that product?
Joel Cook
XTree was purchased by Central Point, which was purchased by Symantec.
--
Regards,
Joel Cook
Symantec Corporation
Please continue to post your messages in the public discussion group since
Michael Kenward
On 25 Jun 1998 23:14:30 GMT, Joel Cook/Symantec wrote, among other
things:
>I believe you're reading far more into this than there really is. Norton
>Navigator simply wasn't selling in sufficient quantities to pay for its own
>development costs. Interestingly enough, Central Point was on the verge of
>financial ruin and had for some time been actively looking for a buyer when
>Symantec came along.
To repeat the old response to this line, Norton Navigator did not sell
because Symantec put the sales department in a small room in the
basement with no furniture. They then put a sign on the door saying
"Beware Tigers". Is it any wonder than no one bought the damn thing?
I got shafted from day 1. NN tuned up as an upgrade to PCTools. It had
a promise on the box that I would be able to buy the CD version. (I
still have the box as evidence should I ever take them to court.) When
I tried to take up this offer, I was told that the box was lying.
There was no offer. I just had to pay the same as everyone else.
When a company behaves like that, is it really a surprise that
customers stay away in their thousands.
NN didn't sell because Symantec didn't sell it.
MK
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Ed Rubeo
It appears that powerdesk does not support drag and drop
ftp.
Michael Kenward
On 27 Jun 1998 09:06:10 GMT, Ed Rubeo wrote, among other things:
>It appears that powerdesk does not support drag and drop
>ftp.
True, but it isn't an ftp program. NN was never that good on the ftp
front either. There are some free ftp utilities out there that might
suit you. FTP Explorer, for example.
Ed Rubeo
Symantec inherited File Manager, when it bought PC Tools. It unbundled it
from the utilities package and was surprised that most people weren't
thrilled to pay more for something they had been getting for free.
Symantec then acquired Xtree (presumably, to kill off the competition).
Apparently, this didn't help either. Now they're abandoning the program
and all its users.
Like many of those contributing to this newsgroup (and, I'm sure, many
more) this has been the final straw with Symantec. I agree that things
have gone steadily downhill since the merger with PCTools. Eliminating
its competition has been the worst thing for Symantec and us.
The current version of Norton Utilities has been a disaster for many of
users. Several PC magazines are now recommending that you use less
invasive utilities with Win 98 - such has those that use the built-in
utilities as a back end - which raises the question of whether they
should be used at all. I hear that Symantec also beginning to charge for
Anti-Virus updates.
I'm going to repartition and reformat my hard drive, install Win 98, and
start over. I'll probably try running Navigator, by copying the files
listed in this newsgroup, but only because I haven't found a
satisfactory replacement. I'm abandoning all my other Symantec apps. And,
as far as I'm concerned, as soon as I find a similar file manager with
integrated ftp and compressed folders, Navigator is history.
Dr. Solomon's is offering a $40 rebate on their Anti-Virus (if you send
them your Norton Anti-Virus disks) and McAfee is giving away its
VirusScan (if you also by Win 98 and send them the UPC symbol). Nuts and
Bolts has just released a Win 98 version of their utilities, which
includes compressed folders. So, I guess it won't be long.
If Symantec was smart, it would have incorporated useful apps such as
Navigator into Norton Utilities and cut back on some of the questionable
tinkering that product does with the operating system. But they haven't
done one smart thing yet.
Steve Wynn
I'm trying the demo version now and you can shift/drag&drop to move files
and ctrl/drag&drop to copy files. I've found it a good upgrade to NN...with
a longer list of viewers (including AVI files) and support for compressed
directories (ZIP). The only thing I'm still looking for is the ability to
create self-extracting Zip files.
cheers,
STEVE
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