Selecting objects very slow in PB 11.5.1 on Windows XP
Vlad
We have recently migrated from Powerbuilder 7.0.3 to 11.5.1.4011, and one
noticeable difference is that the object painter is very, very slow when
selecting objects. "Slow" not when opening window objects, tab objects, or
their scripts, that is in fact very fast, the real slowness is mainly when
selecting objects with the mouse in the object painter.
To illustrate, if working on a datawindow, simple clicking on any object on
a datawindow (textbox, column, computed field) takes an unusually long time.
That is all - just SELECTING with a mouse (or changing the active object
with a TAB key). Between a mouseclick and the object "flashing" in
confirmation of being selected, a good 1-2 seconds usually pass. I realise
that 1-2 seconds don't seem like a lot, but it is a great time increase in
selecting objects from PB 7, and it greatly hinders working with datawindows
where almost every second/third action is selecting one or multiple columns
for positioning, aligning, formatting, so it is quite painful to wait two
seconds between every object selection.
Note:
-opening SQL script in the background of datawindow is not affected, that is
almost instantaneous
-once a field (column, textbox, computed field, bitmap) is selected, moving
it around (either with mouse or arrow keys) is very quick - it really is
simple SELECTING the field, as in clicking on the field, and waiting for the
Powerbuilder to "show" it as selected
The machine in question has quite resonable specs, it is:
Windows XP SP3
Athlon 2.7 GHz Dual Core
4 GM of RAM
On another machine, which has poorer specs (Athlon 2.3 Dual Core, 2 GB of
RAM), but which has Vista on, and not XP, this "time of response" is much
quicker, and it makes datawindows much more workable.
I tried to fix this myself by changing the
C:\Documents and Settings\Username\Local Settings\Application
Data\Sybase\PowerBuilder 11.5\pb.ini
file. But the only change I made was that I switched off XPStyleTB (set it
to 0), because the XP style toolbar was being repainted horribly slow, and
it was flickering a lot, but this made no difference to working with
datawindows. I also changed the script font to FixedSys, but I hardly think
that this could've caused it. By the way, I run my Windows XP with "Windows
classic" style, not the default "Windows XP style", if that is of any
relevance.
Has anyone else reported similar behaviour for Windows XP? And are there any
tips I could try to speed it up?
Cheers
Chris Pollach
I have never seen this and have been using PB 11.5.x for quite a while.
I would guess that your problem is either memory or video related.
On my XP machine I have a dual core intel 2.13Ghz, 2G ram, Radeon 1600
video card w/512K ram.
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"Vlad" <vl...@NOSPAMpcr.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Vlad
Thanks for your reply, although I'm fairly certain that it is not to do with
graphics card, as I have NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS with 256 MB of dedicated
RAM, while Vista machine in question has Radeon X1300 Pro with 256 MB of RAM
(same amount of dedicated memory).
I guess I could try reverting the whole windows to the original XP Style and
see if that makes any difference? It is just such a strange problem,
everything from application display to database number-crunching works just
fine, it is simply selecting objects on painter.
"Chris Pollach" <cpol...@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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davep
core PC, 512 dedicated video memory and it is super slow
selecting
objects in the painter.
I can not figure out why.
Chris Pollach
Booth of you guys sound like you are having video card and/or driver issue.
Selecting objects in PB 11.5.1 is super fast. I just checked with my other 3
developers and its that same for them as well on XP SP3.
The only other thing I can think of is your default printer. The DW object
an its painter get its drawing information from the current printer. I
wonder if your printer does not have the fonts mapped properly? I have seen
that the odd time - not only does it make the DW painter slow but it also
makes the DW perform poorly at run time as well.
<Dave P> wrote in message news:4b0a9790.701...@sybase.com...
Roland Smith [TeamSybase]
Is it for only certain datawindows or all of them? If it is only a few, I
would look to see if you have a bunch of function objects called from
computed fields. If there are alot or are very complex it could slow it
down.
"Chris Pollach" <cpol...@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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Chris Pollach
Another good thought!
"Roland Smith [TeamSybase]" <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote in message
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Carl Richey
GTX video card... Fast as can be under Powerbuilder 8, slow and unwieldy
under 11.5.1. When I turn off the property pane, object selection is again
very fast. I've disabled anti-virus to no effect, changed default printers
also with no change. It just seems that loading up the object properties is
incredibly slow in 11.5.1 (about 2 seconds). I've just resorted to leaving
the property pane off while moving/sizing objects but it's frustrating. I
had assumed that it was a Windows 7 problem but can see that it's affecting
Vista and XP users as well.
"Vlad" <vl...@NOSPAMpcr.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Chris Pollach
Fast as lightening on my W7 box => dual core AMD Turion 64bit, 4G ram,
Nvidea 512K video card.
PB 12.0 Classic just as fast!
PB 12.NET is slower - however, its running under the .NET Isolated Shell and
its still early in the beta cycle (no performance tuning yet I would guess).
:-)
"Carl Richey" <ca...@richey.cc> wrote in message
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Carl Richey
on a plain jane datawindow with the properties pane on or off? Just a
simple datawindow with an external datasource and a single column is enough
to illustrate the problem on my PC. Also - have you noticed any problems
specifying multiple retrieval arguments on a datawindow under Windows 7? I
always get an error trying to add more than 1 retrieval argument, but only
in Windows 7... Very strange. I'm running Win 7 Professional 64 bit RTM
and 11.5.1 build 4011.
"Chris Pollach" <cpol...@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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Arthur Hefti
Arthur
"Carl Richey" <ca...@richey.cc> wrote in message
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Chris Pollach
No problems with MRA either in W7
Note: I am using 32bit version though.
"Carl Richey" <ca...@richey.cc> wrote in message
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Vlad
virtual printers and 2 Microsoft Office Document/Image writers), and I have
set up each one as a default PB printer at one time - no difference
whatsoever.
However, I can confirm what Carl said above - I have switched off the
"Properties" pane, and object-selection is virtually instantaneous.
Incredible. I switch it back on, and time of response is back to about 2
seconds, while it loads up all of the fields' properties. Obviously, I can't
work without Properties pane, so I guess I will have to suffer it unless I
can somehow report it officially (not just through newsgroups) to
Powerbuilder 11 team for further EBFs?
It's just very annoying that a Vista machine which has poorer specs &
graphics card does not seem to have this problem at all.
"Chris Pollach" <cpol...@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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Rich Frantz
> I went through the list of 6 available printers (1 network printer, 3 PDF
> virtual printers and 2 Microsoft Office Document/Image writers), and I have
> set up each one as a default PB printer at one time - no difference
> whatsoever.
>
> However, I can confirm what Carl said above - I have switched off the
> "Properties" pane, and object-selection is virtually instantaneous.
> Incredible. I switch it back on, and time of response is back to about 2
> seconds, while it loads up all of the fields' properties. Obviously, I can't
> work without Properties pane, so I guess I will have to suffer it unless I
> can somehow report it officially (not just through newsgroups) to
> Powerbuilder 11 team for further EBFs?
>
> It's just very annoying that a Vista machine which has poorer specs &
> graphics card does not seem to have this problem at all.
>
>
> news:4b0acc9c$1@forums-1-dub...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Fast as lightening on my W7 box => dual core AMD Turion 64bit, 4G ram,
> > Nvidea 512K video card.
>
> > PB 12.0 Classic just as fast!
> > PB 12.NET is slower - however, its running under the .NET Isolated Shell
> > and its still early in the beta cycle (no performance tuning yet I would
> > guess). :-)
>
> >news:4b0abe7c$1@forums-1-dub...
> >>I have the same problem under Windows 7, quad processor 8 GB of RAM, 9800
> >>GTX video card... Fast as can be under Powerbuilder 8, slow and unwieldy
> >>under 11.5.1. When I turn off the property pane, object selection is
> >>again very fast. I've disabled anti-virus to no effect, changed default
> >>printers also with no change. It just seems that loading up the object
> >>properties is incredibly slow in 11.5.1 (about 2 seconds). I've just
> >>resorted to leaving the property pane off while moving/sizing objects but
> >>it's frustrating. I had assumed that it was a Windows 7 problem but can
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't see that problem with the properties pane, but I do see the
slowdown if I have the preview pane open and rows retrieved. And the
more rows, the slower it is. I always just assumed it was a screen
painting issue.
Chris Pollach
Weird .. I see no performance problem regardless of the various Pane's that
are open! ????
"Rich Frantz" <richf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Vlad
preview" is switched off.
"Rich Frantz" <richf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Carl Richey
system. If I add a rectangle control to a datawindow, it seems to "select"
quite a bit more quickly than a text or column control. I have about 240
fonts on my PC and while that doesn't seem like a lot, I wonder if it's
impacting performance. Do you see a little faster "selection" happening
with controls that don't have fonts too? Also - how many fonts are on your
XP box that is experiencing the slowness?
"Vlad" <vl...@NOSPAMpcr.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Chris Pollach
FWIW: I have 277 installed on my XP machine and 341 on W7.
"Carl Richey" <ca...@richey.cc> wrote in message
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Carl Richey
It looks like I had more like 500 fonts and after running this I have around
250. I do see an improvement in performance in the datawindow painter, but
it's still nowhere near as responsive as PB8 was. Do you see absolutely no
difference whatsoever with the property pane visible or hidden? Selecting
multiple objects on a datawindow to align or move around is significantly
slower with the property pane visible for me.
"Chris Pollach" <cpol...@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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Chris Pollach
Nope ... "super fast" on my XP, Vista and W7 PC's.
FWIW: I do see some latent delay when selecting 100+ columns in a big report
DWO - say 1-1.5 sec. But I got that in PB 8 as well.
"Carl Richey" <ca...@richey.cc> wrote in message
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Arnd Schmidt
can you try resetting your layouts by deleting the registry keys under:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Sybase\PowerBuilder\11.5\Layout
I had a similar issue, but do not remeber exaclty what did the trick,
But I remember it happend after I played to much with the panes...
Maybe that helps.
Arnd
Carl Richey
just by cleaning up fonts, but it's still nowhere near as fast as when the
property pane is just closed. I'm starting to wonder if everybody has just
gotten used to it progressively getting slower with each version. I jumped
from 8 to 11.5 and from that perspective the slowness is very evident.
"Arnd Schmidt" <arnd.s...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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Vlad
some registry tweak that would make the problem go away, but unfortunately
this wasn't it. Deleting the Layout registry keys didn't make any
difference, so I imported all the keys back. Thanks for the suggestion
though, it was worth a try.
I took a look at my fonts, and I don't think I've got that many? I have 423
fonts, all of them came with Windows, apart from only one that I have added.
I may try cleaning up some, but I don't have high hopes for it, as Carl has
already said it's not a massive improvement.
To be honest, I almost feel resigned to switching the properties pane on/off
when arranging and aligning columns on the datawindow. It's only a halfway
solution as I still need to format the columns one by one for which I need
Properties pane, and it's going very slow, but it seems that there is no
hope.
Perhaps I will show this thread to my boss as a good reason for getting me a
brand new machine >:-)
"Carl Richey" <ca...@richey.cc> wrote in message
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Chris Pollach
As I said before .. invest in a good video card and driver.
"Vlad" <vl...@NOSPAMpcr.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Paul Horan[Sybase]
to filter only PB*.exe, and you'll see all the file reads and registry
accesses that PB is making as you do this task. It might be trying to read
files across a network or something...
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http://blogs.sybase.com/phoran/
"Vlad" <vl...@NOSPAMpcr.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Vlad
(5-6 times) intervals between two operations
CloseFile C:\Documents and Settings\Vlad\Local Settings\Application
Data\Sybase\PowerBuilder 11.5\pb.ini SUCCESS
CreateFile C:\Documents and Settings\Vlad\Local Settings\Application
Data\Sybase\PowerBuilder 11.5\pb.ini SUCCESS Desired Access: Generic Read,
Disposition: Open, Options: Synchronous IO Non-Alert, Non-Directory File,
Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Write, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a,
OpenResult: Opened
take by far the longest time, ranging between 0.13s to 0.23s sometimes. If
that means anything. Lots and lots of these, they do add up. Not sure if it
is, er, valid/expected that there is a gap of 0.1s-0.2s between these.
Last post, promise :)
Paul Horan[Sybase]
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"Vlad" <vl...@NOSPAMpcr.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Vlad
though, I'll leave it over night and we'll see tomorrow. Thanks
"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> wrote in message
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vl...@nospampcr.ltd.uk
I had a scheduled weekly defrag, so the hard drive was 90%
defragged anyway.
Just for a test, I tried it on my working-from-home laptop,
which has Vista, and lower specs on both processor and video
card - it's very quick.
Ken Balakrishnan
(especially certain bloaty ones) -- if I close everything down and restart
PB, it works fine. So I'm assuming it's a system resource issue of some
kind or another.
Ken
"Vlad" <vl...@NOSPAMpcr.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Carl Richey
earlier, I'm running a 2.4 Ghz Quad core, 8 gigs of RAM, and an nvidia 9800
GTX with 512 MB of RAM with the latest drivers. Vlad has noted that this
problem doesn't occur in a much lower end machine so it has to be some kind
of machine specific configuration problem.
Looking at the results from Vlad's FileMonitor tests this 1.6 second delay
is precisely what I'm seeing. I'm curious as to what this sysinternals
filemonitor output would look like for someone not experiencing this delay.
"Chris Pollach" <cpol...@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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JJ
suggestions on this thread to no avail. I doubt it's my
video card since it can pretty much run all graphic
intensive apps and games I throw at it without any trouble.
Any more suggestions? It's giving me to much grief. I'm
running PB under Vista ultimate. The only way I can work
around it is by turning off the properties window.
timothy...@gmail.com
So, it's not a fonts issue, not a graphics card issue, not a "too many programs open" issue, not a processor speed issue. None of those things have changed but I am still having the slowdown.
This is absolutely killing my productivity.
timothy...@gmail.com
Here's what worked for me to fix:
Uninstall PB 11.5 via control panel
Restart machine
Reinstall PB 11.5
Restart machine
Good luck!
andyw....@gmail.com
> Hi,
>
> We have recently migrated from Powerbuilder 7.0.3 to 11.5.1.4011, and one
> noticeable difference is that the object painter is very, very slow when
> selecting objects. "Slow" not when opening window objects, tab objects, or
> their scripts, that is in fact very fast, the real slowness is mainly when
> selecting objects with the mouse in the object painter.
>
> To illustrate, if working on a datawindow, simple clicking on any object on
> a datawindow (textbox, column, computed field) takes an unusually long time.
> That is all - just SELECTING with a mouse (or changing the active object
> with a TAB key). Between a mouseclick and the object "flashing" in
> confirmation of being selected, a good 1-2 seconds usually pass. I realise
> that 1-2 seconds don't seem like a lot, but it is a great time increase in
> selecting objects from PB 7, and it greatly hinders working with datawindows
> where almost every second/third action is selecting one or multiple columns
> for positioning, aligning, formatting, so it is quite painful to wait two
> seconds between every object selection.
>
> Note:
> -opening SQL script in the background of datawindow is not affected, that is
> almost instantaneous
> -once a field (column, textbox, computed field, bitmap) is selected, moving
> it around (either with mouse or arrow keys) is very quick - it really is
> simple SELECTING the field, as in clicking on the field, and waiting for the
> Powerbuilder to "show" it as selected
>
>
> The machine in question has quite resonable specs, it is:
> Windows XP SP3
> Athlon 2.7 GHz Dual Core
> 4 GM of RAM
>
>
> On another machine, which has poorer specs (Athlon 2.3 Dual Core, 2 GB of
> RAM), but which has Vista on, and not XP, this "time of response" is much
> quicker, and it makes datawindows much more workable.
>
> I tried to fix this myself by changing the
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\Username\Local Settings\Application
>
> to 0), because the XP style toolbar was being repainted horribly slow, and
> it was flickering a lot, but this made no difference to working with
> datawindows. I also changed the script font to FixedSys, but I hardly think
> that this could've caused it. By the way, I run my Windows XP with "Windows
> classic" style, not the default "Windows XP style", if that is of any
> relevance.
>
> Has anyone else reported similar behaviour for Windows XP? And are there any
> tips I could try to speed it up?
>
>
> Cheers
I know this is an ancient post.. but I had put up with this issue for years, and I have just stumbled on a fix..
I hope this fixes someone elses PB;
After trying all of the discussions below, I eventually dropped my Windows 10 machine into Safe mode (With networking) and run my PB IDE..
It didnt suffer from the same issue nearly as bad, so I thought to myself, huh, must be a driver issue..
But then when I rebooted into non-safe mode again.. my PB IDE was also now running normally (still noticeably slower than when you close the properties window) but a LOT faster than it was working before.
I don't know what fixed it. but I am very happy and hope someone else benefit from this (hack) solution.
Best wishes,
Andrew.
Andrew Winter
>
> I know this is an ancient post.. but I had put up with this issue for years, and I have just stumbled on a fix..
>
> I hope this fixes someone elses PB;
>
> After trying all of the discussions below, I eventually dropped my Windows 10 machine into Safe mode (With networking) and run my PB IDE..
>
> It didnt suffer from the same issue nearly as bad, so I thought to myself, huh, must be a driver issue..
>
> But then when I rebooted into non-safe mode again.. my PB IDE was also now running normally (still noticeably slower than when you close the properties window) but a LOT faster than it was working before.
>
> I don't know what fixed it. but I am very happy and hope someone else benefit from this (hack) solution.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andrew.
It didnt make a difference before rebooting, but I know some applications only truly re-initialise / complete after a reboot.
* Didnt want to miss any steps
So, I've been using PB for about an hour after finding this fix, and it is such a pleasure to be using PB - as it should work... this *bug*?! has been killing my user experience & productivity literally for years.. :(
More than just the datawindow painter has benefitted from this, even using the debug windows and general runtime feel lightning quick now..
Wish I'd sorted this years ago.. lucky find I guess - does Sybase tech support even exist any more?
Best wishes,
Andrew.
Vladimir Novakovic
Your fix worked for me, PB12 on Windows 8. Great find, thanks!
It really does speed up PB in general, opening, closing, selecting, saving... Runtime, too.
Really hope someone else with this problem finds this topic and fix.
Thanks once again and best wishes,
Vladimir