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Same with my friends in Denmark, their now substantial swift colony started in Starling nest boxes.
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Agree ,Agree,Agree.
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Same with my friends in Denmark, their now substantial swift colony started in Starling nest boxes.
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In the summer of 2016 I was told about a private garden in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire where Swifts were nesting in an Ash tree. I visited on 21st July and watched the Swifts taking food in to the young birds. The attached photo shows (I hope!) the nest hole in the large upwards facing branch off the main trunk. The Swifts had taken over the hole after a family of Starlings had fledged. We are not certain whether the young Swifts fledged successfully because the owners of the house went on holiday soon after my visit.
That autumn we spent a lot of time planning for the following summer –
- should we block off the hole until the swifts returned?
- could we create more similar nests nearby?
- what should we do about publicising such an unusual nest place?
In the end the discussion proved academic because the tree was badly damaged in a winter storm and the nest hole was lost.
The house owners now have 2 occupied nest boxes on their house, and doubtless the Swifts are safer from predation there than they would have been in the tree hole, and the story confirms that swifts might still opt for these ‘natural’ nest places.
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I suppose, there are similarities between tree roosts and swift towets.Has anybody tried putting some swift boxes into trees and then playing the call system?Could be fun!
Nick
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In the summer of 2016 I was told about a private garden in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire where Swifts were nesting in an Ash tree. I visited on 21st July and watched the Swifts taking food in to the young birds. The attached photo shows (I hope!) the nest hole in the large upwards facing branch off the main trunk. The Swifts had taken over the hole after a family of Starlings had fledged. We are not certain whether the young Swifts fledged successfully because the owners of the house went on holiday soon after my visit.
That autumn we spent a lot of time planning for the following summer –
- should we block off the hole until the swifts returned?
- could we create more similar nests nearby?
- what should we do about publicising such an unusual nest place?
In the end the discussion proved academic because the tree was badly damaged in a winter storm and the nest hole was lost.
The house owners now have 2 occupied nest boxes on their house, and doubtless the Swifts are safer from predation there than they would have been in the tree hole, and the story confirms that swifts might still opt for these ‘natural’ nest places.
Chris Mason
Cherwell Swifts
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 at 08:36, 'B CAHALANE' via swiftslocalnetwork <swiftslocalnetwork@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Agree ,Agree,Agree.
Brian
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Same with my friends in Denmark, their now substantial swift colony started in Starling nest boxes.
On 27-Feb-26 7:48 PM, Dick Newell wrote:
Here in Cambridge, while as far as I know we have no tree-nesting swifts, we have quite a few examples of Swifts breeding in Starling boxes which emulate old woodpecker holes. I have 1 such box on my house which is shared by Starlings early on before the Swifts move in.
I think we may be missing a trick by not putting up more Starling boxes high enough for Swfts. Making sure of course that the inside wall can be climbed by the Swifts.Dick
On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 at 19:02, 'Edward Mayer - Swift Conservation' via swiftslocalnetwork <swiftslocalnetwork@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hi there, The Abernethy Tree nesting Swifts are the only ones I know of in the UK, and the RSPB sometimes has special tours to see them, but you have to book I think. Other tree nesting Swifts are to be found in Swedish Lapland, Eastern Germany, and the biggest numbers are nesting in old Woodpecker holes in vast old Hornbeam trees in the Bialowiesja Forest in NE Poland. Some 300 were recorded there a good few years ago. The area is all controlled access. You would I think have to set up a special tour to see them with the Park authorities and guides. Best wishes, Edward
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I was at RSPB Loch Garten (in Abernethy Forest and where the clip of Iolo Williams spotting swifts around tree cavities was filmed) and asked about tree nesting swifts and was told they're there, but they keep the location under wraps. I'm not sure the access is such that you'd be able to wander around looking for them. The main point of the facilities that the RSPB has there is to view ospreys. Might be worth contacting them to ask whether it's possible to see the swifts. Abernethy appears to be the only place mentioned for tree nesting swifts if you search online, but I seem to recall mention of swifts nesting in the cliffs of a quarry in Northern Ireland if non-housebound swifts are what you're after.
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Anyone know of locations for seeing tree nesting swifts in the UK? Abernethy forest, Scotland?
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I would guess that the most likely thing to happen would be that other bird species would get to the tree-mounted nest boxes first. Great Tits have taken over some of my Swift nest boxes placed in park lands with plentiful trees, like at The Lodge, and Sparrows took over my Swift boxes at London Zoo in leafy Regents Park, and there's always it seems a waiting list of hole nesting birds seeking homes!
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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 04:48AM -0700
Hi all
Wondering who people are getting to install their nest boxes? I used to
have insurance for one of our guys but it has now risen to over £400 and
that's only to cover 3.5 mtr height. Basically i am stuck!
I guess asking a local friendly man and a ladder or getting funding to
cover a qualified person at their hourly rate are the only options unless i
can find an insurance company to cover what's required.
Grateful for ideas!
Cally
Zoe Crossley <zoecr...@live.co.uk>: Mar 28 11:52AM
Hi Cally,
I use chap who installs cctc and tv aerials. Fully insured for ladder work and to drill into peoples properties. Hope that helps.
Zoe
Framlingham swifts
On 28 Mar 2026, at 11:48, Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all
Wondering who people are getting to install their nest boxes? I used to have insurance for one of our guys but it has now risen to over £400 and that's only to cover 3.5 mtr height. Basically i am stuck!
I guess asking a local friendly man and a ladder or getting funding to cover a qualified person at their hourly rate are the only options unless i can find an insurance company to cover what's required.
Grateful for ideas!
Cally
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Machynlleth & District Swift Group <machs...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 12:14PM
Hi Cally,
Find yourself a nice man like me to put them up! It’s a job not many like
doing. It’s a risky business. I haven’t got insurance. What we all need is
a rich benefactor who will buy us a cherry picker!
An ideal person would be a retired builder or similar. Good luck.
Elfyn
Dick Newell <dick....@gmail.com>: Mar 28 12:34PM
We have used a scaffold tower on a number of occasions
e.g here
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More expensive than a ladder, but nowhere near the cost of a cherry picker.
I don't know what insurance costs would be, but they are inherently safer
than a ladder. Could be a sensible option for a group putting up a lot of
nest boxes.
Dick
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Gill Stacey <gillian....@btinternet.com>: Mar 28 12:45PM
Hi Cally
We use an aerial installer. He’s put up lots of boxes for us now. He’s also got insurance and long ladders. Photo of Peak boxes going up on a local chapel in 2024. Swifts were checking them out in the first year!
Gill
Stroud Swift Group

Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:14AM -0700
Excellent idea Zoe thank you!
Cally
Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:19AM -0700
Thanks Dick yes a better option by far. They can be moved along too i
think.
Cally
Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:20AM -0700
Thanks Gill i need this chap!! Thats a very high one indeed! I will see
if i can find such a chap :)
Best wishes
Cally
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Swifts (SOS) <swi...@suffolkbirdgroup.org>: Mar 28 07:08PM
Hi Cally
Our project here doesn't install nest boxes, no ladder work at all for this very reason.
We provide the free surveys and guidance and can supply the nest boxes too. We then suggest a number of installers they can ask to install for a small fee if they're not fitting themselves.
We have chimney sweeps, a window cleaner, painter decorators, tree surgeon and an aerial chap amongst the DIY handy folk we can recommend, people who work with ladders and have their own insurance.
Very best of luck
Eddie
SuffolkBirdGroup.org
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Hi Cally,
Find yourself a nice man like me to put them up! It's a job not many like doing. It's a risky business. I haven't got insurance. What we all need is a rich benefactor who will buy us a cherry picker!
An ideal person would be a retired builder or similar. Good luck.
Elfyn
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Hi Cally,
I use chap who installs cctc and tv aerials. Fully insured for ladder work and to drill into peoples properties. Hope that helps.
Zoe
Framlingham swifts
On 28 Mar 2026, at 11:48, Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all
Wondering who people are getting to install their nest boxes? I used to have insurance for one of our guys but it has now risen to over £400 and that's only to cover 3.5 mtr height. Basically i am stuck!
I guess asking a local friendly man and a ladder or getting funding to cover a qualified person at their hourly rate are the only options unless i can find an insurance company to cover what's required.
Grateful for ideas!
Cally
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Cally Smith <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:51PM
That's a good idea Eddie and a great alternative thank you!
Cally
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Heidi Collishaw <heidico...@googlemail.com>: Mar 28 09:08PM
Evening Cally,
Might it be worth asking your local fire station staff if they'd like to
help? Could be a useful publicity event for both parties!
Heidi
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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:12AM -0700
Firstly i would be asking the builders to encase the scaffolding with an
ecowrap prior to the swifts return to prevent the swifts striking the
scaffold which i assume is 'covering' the original nest sites. The ecowrap
also lessens the likelihood of them recognising the building and trying to
enter what just isnt there anymore. Is there any way temporary external
swift nest boxes can be installed on the other part of the building
obviously without damage as it is listed? I would be talking to those in
charge about reinstating the original nest sites in to the renovation.
This is more than possible and there would be different options and
possibilities depending on the work to be done it just needs the decision
makers to listen.
Cally
On Sunday, March 15, 2026 at 7:02:34 PM UTC Graham Cowley wrote:
Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 05:33AM -0700
This looks very interesting Louise! I will take a read. Especially living
so near to Aberdeen and for so many people in this area working on the rigs
etc.
Cally x
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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 05:14AM -0700
A bit late to the conversation but yes Abernethy Forest is the only UK site
i know of. I think there are several sites in and around the forest
'perimeter'. We are the only swift group local to the forest and i asked
RSPB about five years ago if our small group could go and take an escorted
look and was refused on the grounds that there were schedule one birds
nesting in the area. Sadly i have not found the RSPB to be supportive of
our work in any case so i have not asked again! One time i visited the
forest and asked about the swifts i got a blank look.
Cally
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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 05:07AM -0700
Re the vets leaflet. In the distant past i have made up a leaflet to hand
in to our local police station as once there was a swift handed in there!
Just a thought :)
Cally
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I’m sorry that SLN people have not had positive experiences with local RSPB teams in the past. The difficulty with reserve staff in Scotland, is that they are very small teams and stretched across a huge number of threatened species and large landscapes. Unfortunately, they often don’t have the capacity for bespoke people engagement activities. However, of course, this should have been communicated; I guess it’s hard to disappoint people by saying ‘no’ to requested trips.
In terms of support for Swifts, I hope that SLN people will at least be glad to know that many RSPB SHQ staff worked incredibly hard behind the scenes to support the recent Swift brick legislation success.
Laurinda
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I’m sorry that SLN people have not had positive experiences with local RSPB teams in the past. The difficulty with reserve staff in Scotland, is that they are very small teams and stretched across a huge number of threatened species and large landscapes. Unfortunately, they often don’t have the capacity for bespoke people engagement activities. However, of course, this should have been communicated; I guess it’s hard to disappoint people by saying ‘no’ to requested trips.
In terms of support for Swifts, I hope that SLN people will at least be glad to know that many RSPB SHQ staff worked incredibly hard behind the scenes to support the recent Swift brick legislation success.
Laurinda
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Subject: [SLN] Re: Tree nesting swifts
I’ve seen swifts in Białowieża Forest in the area below. So when I visited Cairngorms for a week towards the end of July 2021, I was keen to see swifts in the Abernethy Forest.
The staff at the RSPB visitor centre were a bit cagey when I asked, but did give me the email address of a colleague to contact.
I sent the email giving details that at the time, I’d been involved in swift conservation for nearly 15 years and would be in Scotland until this date and didn’t even get a reply!
Steven
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