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Paul Stevens

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Feb 24, 2026, 4:14:08 PMFeb 24
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Anyone know of locations for seeing tree nesting swifts in the UK? Abernethy forest, Scotland?

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Feb 26, 2026, 7:32:14 AMFeb 26
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I was at RSPB Loch Garten (in Abernethy Forest and where the clip of Iolo Williams spotting swifts around tree cavities was filmed) and asked about tree nesting swifts and was told they're there, but they keep the location under wraps. I'm not sure the access is such that you'd be able to wander around looking for them. The main point of the facilities that the RSPB has there is to view ospreys. Might be worth contacting them to ask whether it's possible to see the swifts. Abernethy appears to be the only place mentioned for tree nesting swifts if you search online, but I seem to recall mention of swifts nesting in the cliffs of a quarry in Northern Ireland if non-housebound swifts are what you're after.   

Edward Mayer - Swift Conservation

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Feb 27, 2026, 2:02:15 PMFeb 27
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Hi there, The Abernethy Tree nesting Swifts are the only ones I know of in the UK, and the RSPB sometimes has special tours to see them, but you have to book I think. Other tree nesting Swifts are to be found in Swedish Lapland, Eastern Germany, and the biggest numbers are nesting in old Woodpecker holes in vast old Hornbeam trees in the Bialowiesja Forest in NE Poland. Some 300 were recorded there a good few years ago. The area is all controlled access. You would I think have to set up a special tour to see them with the Park authorities and guides. Best wishes, Edward

Dick Newell

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Feb 27, 2026, 2:49:28 PMFeb 27
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Here in Cambridge, while as far as I know we have no tree-nesting swifts, we have quite a few examples of Swifts breeding in Starling boxes which emulate old woodpecker holes. I have 1 such box on my house which is shared by Starlings early on before the Swifts move in. 

I think we may be missing a trick by not putting up more Starling boxes high enough for Swfts. Making sure of course that the inside wall can be climbed by the Swifts.
Dick

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Edward Mayer

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Same with my friends in Denmark, their now substantial swift colony started in Starling nest boxes.

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B CAHALANE

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Feb 28, 2026, 3:36:52 AMFeb 28
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Agree ,Agree,Agree.

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Same with my friends in Denmark, their now substantial swift colony started in Starling nest boxes.

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Chris Mason

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In the summer of 2016 I was told about a private garden in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire where Swifts were nesting in an Ash tree. I visited on 21st July and watched the Swifts taking food in to the young birds. The attached photo shows (I hope!) the nest hole in the large upwards facing branch off the main trunk. The Swifts had taken over the hole after a family of Starlings had fledged. We are not certain whether the young Swifts fledged successfully because the owners of the house went on holiday soon after my visit.

That autumn we spent a lot of time planning for the following summer –

-          should we block off the hole until the swifts returned?

-          could we create more similar nests nearby?

-          what should we do about publicising such an unusual nest place?

In the end the discussion proved academic because the tree was badly damaged in a winter storm and the nest hole was lost.

The house owners now have 2 occupied nest boxes on their house, and doubtless the Swifts are safer from predation there than they would have been in the tree hole, and the story confirms that swifts might still opt for these ‘natural’ nest places.

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Nick Bentham-Green

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I suppose, there are similarities between tree roosts and swift towets.
Has anybody tried putting some swift boxes into trees and then playing the call system?
Could be fun!

Nick 

SE Cornwall


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T Davies

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Mar 4, 2026, 9:46:39 AMMar 4
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It could be dangerous! The swifts would trust the calls and investigate, but there might be branches in the flight path.


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I suppose, there are similarities between tree roosts and swift towets.
Has anybody tried putting some swift boxes into trees and then playing the call system?
Could be fun!

Nick 

SE Cornwall



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In the summer of 2016 I was told about a private garden in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire where Swifts were nesting in an Ash tree. I visited on 21st July and watched the Swifts taking food in to the young birds. The attached photo shows (I hope!) the nest hole in the large upwards facing branch off the main trunk. The Swifts had taken over the hole after a family of Starlings had fledged. We are not certain whether the young Swifts fledged successfully because the owners of the house went on holiday soon after my visit.

That autumn we spent a lot of time planning for the following summer –

-          should we block off the hole until the swifts returned?

-          could we create more similar nests nearby?

-          what should we do about publicising such an unusual nest place?

In the end the discussion proved academic because the tree was badly damaged in a winter storm and the nest hole was lost.

The house owners now have 2 occupied nest boxes on their house, and doubtless the Swifts are safer from predation there than they would have been in the tree hole, and the story confirms that swifts might still opt for these ‘natural’ nest places.

 Chris Mason

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 at 08:36, 'B CAHALANE' via swiftslocalnetwork <swiftslocalnetwork@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Agree ,Agree,Agree.

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Same with my friends in Denmark, their now substantial swift colony started in Starling nest boxes.

On 27-Feb-26 7:48 PM, Dick Newell wrote:
 
Here in Cambridge, while as far as I know we have no tree-nesting swifts, we have quite a few examples of Swifts breeding in Starling boxes which emulate old woodpecker holes. I have 1 such box on my house which is shared by Starlings early on before the Swifts move in. 

 
I think we may be missing a trick by not putting up more Starling boxes high enough for Swfts. Making sure of course that the inside wall can be climbed by the Swifts.
Dick


 

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Hi there, The Abernethy Tree nesting Swifts are the only ones I know of in the UK, and the RSPB sometimes has special tours to see them, but you have to book I think. Other tree nesting Swifts are to be found in Swedish Lapland, Eastern Germany, and the biggest numbers are nesting in old Woodpecker holes in vast old Hornbeam trees in the Bialowiesja Forest in NE Poland. Some 300 were recorded there a good few years ago. The area is all controlled access. You would I think have to set up a special tour to see them with the Park authorities and guides. Best wishes, Edward

 

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I was at RSPB Loch Garten (in Abernethy Forest and where the clip of Iolo Williams spotting swifts around tree cavities was filmed) and asked about tree nesting swifts and was told they're there, but they keep the location under wraps. I'm not sure the access is such that you'd be able to wander around looking for them. The main point of the facilities that the RSPB has there is to view ospreys. Might be worth contacting them to ask whether it's possible to see the swifts. Abernethy appears to be the only place mentioned for tree nesting swifts if you search online, but I seem to recall mention of swifts nesting in the cliffs of a quarry in Northern Ireland if non-housebound swifts are what you're after.   

 

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Anyone know of locations for seeing tree nesting swifts in the UK? Abernethy forest, Scotland?

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Edward Mayer

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I would guess that the most likely thing to happen would be that other bird species would get to the tree-mounted nest boxes first. Great Tits have taken over some of my Swift nest boxes placed in park lands with plentiful trees, like at The Lodge, and Sparrows took over my Swift boxes at London Zoo in leafy Regents Park, and there's always it seems a waiting list of hole nesting birds seeking homes!

Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group

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A bit late to the conversation but yes Abernethy Forest is the only UK site i know of.  I think there are several sites in and around the forest 'perimeter'.  We are the only swift group local to the forest and i asked RSPB about five years ago if our small group could go and take an escorted look and was refused on the grounds that there were schedule one birds nesting in the area.  Sadly i have not found the RSPB to be supportive of our work in any case so i have not asked again!  One time i visited the forest and asked about the swifts i got a blank look.
Cally

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Many thanks for all your replies on this. 

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Machynlleth & District Swift Group

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Well thats's the RSPB for you 'a self governing closed shop'!

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Graham Knight

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I would have to disagree with this statement. The RSPB does a huge amount for Swifts, both locally in my area and on a national scale. Laurinda is incredibly helpful whenever I contact her. I am sure many Swift groups have a positive experience.

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Cally Smith

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Mar 30, 2026, 4:56:08 PM (5 days ago) Mar 30
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Thats fine and i am well aware how much they do for swifts but not so much support here i have found so far.
Laurinda is very helpful on the SLN Group.  We all have different experiences but not always positive.
Cally

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I’ve seen swifts in Białowieża Forest in the area below. So when I visited Cairngorms for a week towards the end of July 2021, I was keen to see swifts in the Abernethy Forest. 

The staff at the RSPB visitor centre were a bit cagey when I asked, but did give me the email address of a colleague to contact.

I sent the email giving details that at the time, I’d been involved in swift conservation for nearly 15 years and would be in Scotland until this date and didn’t even get a reply! 

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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 05:14AM -0700

A bit late to the conversation but yes Abernethy Forest is the only UK site 
i know of. I think there are several sites in and around the forest 
'perimeter'. We are the only swift group local to the forest and i asked 
RSPB about five years ago if our small group could go and take an escorted 
look and was refused on the grounds that there were schedule one birds 
nesting in the area. Sadly i have not found the RSPB to be supportive of 
our work in any case so i have not asked again! One time i visited the 
forest and asked about the swifts i got a blank look.
Cally
 
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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 04:48AM -0700

Hi all
Wondering who people are getting to install their nest boxes? I used to
have insurance for one of our guys but it has now risen to over £400 and
that's only to cover 3.5 mtr height. Basically i am stuck!
I guess asking a local friendly man and a ladder or getting funding to
cover a qualified person at their hourly rate are the only options unless i
can find an insurance company to cover what's required.
 
Grateful for ideas!
Cally
Zoe Crossley <zoecr...@live.co.uk>: Mar 28 11:52AM

Hi Cally,
 
I use chap who installs cctc and tv aerials. Fully insured for ladder work and to drill into peoples properties. Hope that helps.
 
Zoe
 
Framlingham swifts
 
On 28 Mar 2026, at 11:48, Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Hi all
Wondering who people are getting to install their nest boxes? I used to have insurance for one of our guys but it has now risen to over £400 and that's only to cover 3.5 mtr height. Basically i am stuck!
I guess asking a local friendly man and a ladder or getting funding to cover a qualified person at their hourly rate are the only options unless i can find an insurance company to cover what's required.
 
Grateful for ideas!
Cally

 
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Machynlleth & District Swift Group <machs...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 12:14PM

Hi Cally,
 
Find yourself a nice man like me to put them up! It’s a job not many like
doing. It’s a risky business. I haven’t got insurance. What we all need is
a rich benefactor who will buy us a cherry picker!
An ideal person would be a retired builder or similar. Good luck.
 
Elfyn
 
 
Dick Newell <dick....@gmail.com>: Mar 28 12:34PM

We have used a scaffold tower on a number of occasions
e.g here
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here
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More expensive than a ladder, but nowhere near the cost of a cherry picker.
I don't know what insurance costs would be, but they are inherently safer
than a ladder. Could be a sensible option for a group putting up a lot of
nest boxes.
Dick
 
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Gill Stacey <gillian....@btinternet.com>: Mar 28 12:45PM

Hi Cally
 
We use an aerial installer. He’s put up lots of boxes for us now. He’s also got insurance and long ladders. Photo of Peak boxes going up on a local chapel in 2024. Swifts were checking them out in the first year!
 
 
 
Gill
 
Stroud Swift Group
 

 
 
 
Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:14AM -0700

Excellent idea Zoe thank you!
Cally
 
Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:19AM -0700

Thanks Dick yes a better option by far. They can be moved along too i
think.
Cally
Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:20AM -0700

Thanks Gill i need this chap!! Thats a very high one indeed! I will see
if i can find such a chap :)
Best wishes
Cally
 
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Swifts (SOS) <swi...@suffolkbirdgroup.org>: Mar 28 07:08PM

Hi Cally
 
Our project here doesn't install nest boxes, no ladder work at all for this very reason.
 
We provide the free surveys and guidance and can supply the nest boxes too. We then suggest a number of installers they can ask to install for a small fee if they're not fitting themselves.
 
We have chimney sweeps, a window cleaner, painter decorators, tree surgeon and an aerial chap amongst the DIY handy folk we can recommend, people who work with ladders and have their own insurance.
 
Very best of luck
 
Eddie
 
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Hi Cally,
 
Find yourself a nice man like me to put them up! It's a job not many like doing. It's a risky business. I haven't got insurance. What we all need is a rich benefactor who will buy us a cherry picker!
 
An ideal person would be a retired builder or similar. Good luck.
 
Elfyn
 
On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 at 11:52, Zoe Crossley <zoecr...@live.co.uk> wrote:
 
Hi Cally,
 
I use chap who installs cctc and tv aerials. Fully insured for ladder work and to drill into peoples properties. Hope that helps.
 
Zoe
 
Framlingham swifts
 
On 28 Mar 2026, at 11:48, Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Hi all
 
Wondering who people are getting to install their nest boxes? I used to have insurance for one of our guys but it has now risen to over £400 and that's only to cover 3.5 mtr height. Basically i am stuck!
 
I guess asking a local friendly man and a ladder or getting funding to cover a qualified person at their hourly rate are the only options unless i can find an insurance company to cover what's required.
 
Grateful for ideas!
 
Cally

 
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Cally Smith <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:51PM

That's a good idea Eddie and a great alternative thank you!
Cally
 
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Heidi Collishaw <heidico...@googlemail.com>: Mar 28 09:08PM

Evening Cally,
Might it be worth asking your local fire station staff if they'd like to
help? Could be a useful publicity event for both parties!
 
Heidi
 
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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 07:12AM -0700

Firstly i would be asking the builders to encase the scaffolding with an
ecowrap prior to the swifts return to prevent the swifts striking the
scaffold which i assume is 'covering' the original nest sites. The ecowrap
also lessens the likelihood of them recognising the building and trying to
enter what just isnt there anymore. Is there any way temporary external
swift nest boxes can be installed on the other part of the building
obviously without damage as it is listed? I would be talking to those in
charge about reinstating the original nest sites in to the renovation.
This is more than possible and there would be different options and
possibilities depending on the work to be done it just needs the decision
makers to listen.
Cally
 
On Sunday, March 15, 2026 at 7:02:34 PM UTC Graham Cowley wrote:
 
Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 05:33AM -0700

This looks very interesting Louise! I will take a read. Especially living
so near to Aberdeen and for so many people in this area working on the rigs
etc.
Cally x
 
On Monday, March 9, 2026 at 10:05:32 AM UTC Louise Bentley wrote:
 
Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 05:14AM -0700

A bit late to the conversation but yes Abernethy Forest is the only UK site
i know of. I think there are several sites in and around the forest
'perimeter'. We are the only swift group local to the forest and i asked
RSPB about five years ago if our small group could go and take an escorted
look and was refused on the grounds that there were schedule one birds
nesting in the area. Sadly i have not found the RSPB to be supportive of
our work in any case so i have not asked again! One time i visited the
forest and asked about the swifts i got a blank look.
Cally
 
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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group <huntlysw...@gmail.com>: Mar 28 05:07AM -0700

Re the vets leaflet. In the distant past i have made up a leaflet to hand
in to our local police station as once there was a swift handed in there!
Just a thought :)
 
Cally
 
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Laurinda Luffman

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I’m sorry that SLN people have not had positive experiences with local RSPB teams in the past. The difficulty with reserve staff in Scotland, is that they are very small teams and stretched across a huge number of threatened species and large landscapes. Unfortunately, they often don’t have the capacity for bespoke people engagement activities. However, of course, this should have been communicated; I guess it’s hard to disappoint people by saying ‘no’ to requested trips.

 

In terms of support for Swifts, I hope that SLN people will at least be glad to know that many RSPB SHQ staff worked incredibly hard behind the scenes to support the recent Swift brick legislation success.

 

Laurinda



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Cally Smith

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Laurinda
Agree with all you say and i think different organisations and groups, big and small work in completely different ways which don't run parallel to each other but we all have the same aims and are all low on resources.   Sometimes we can forget what actually goes on behind the scenes.  The Scottish win was incredible and i for one am proud to have contributed a tiny bit to that win along with Hannah, RSPB and MSP Mark Ruskell and many others involved plus of course every single person who signed petitions and supported as they could themselves manage.

Cally
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Hi

There are sensitivities beyond conservation and wildlife disturbance around the Abernethy location that are not of the RSPB’s making. I expect that is one of many reasons behind responses. Not replying to direct emails is another thing.

Picking up on Laurinda’s point, staff should be supported how to communicate delicate issues/ be given a clear message to convey in such cases.

Many of us will be sympathetic to the complex nature and therefore varied responses in large orgs. I appreciate your visible support, Laurinda, your reiteration of the wider work on swift conservation by the RSPB and doing a good job overall representing your organisation.

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I’m sorry that SLN people have not had positive experiences with local RSPB teams in the past. The difficulty with reserve staff in Scotland, is that they are very small teams and stretched across a huge number of threatened species and large landscapes. Unfortunately, they often don’t have the capacity for bespoke people engagement activities. However, of course, this should have been communicated; I guess it’s hard to disappoint people by saying ‘no’ to requested trips.

 

In terms of support for Swifts, I hope that SLN people will at least be glad to know that many RSPB SHQ staff worked incredibly hard behind the scenes to support the recent Swift brick legislation success.

 

Laurinda

 

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Subject: [SLN] Re: Tree nesting swifts

 

I’ve seen swifts in Białowieża Forest in the area below. So when I visited Cairngorms for a week towards the end of July 2021, I was keen to see swifts in the Abernethy Forest. 

 

The staff at the RSPB visitor centre were a bit cagey when I asked, but did give me the email address of a colleague to contact.

 

I sent the email giving details that at the time, I’d been involved in swift conservation for nearly 15 years and would be in Scotland until this date and didn’t even get a reply! 

 

Steven 

 

 

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Steven Robinson

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The RSPB at Abernethy should have just said that it’s not possible to see the nesting swifts, as they are in somebody’s private garden. 

This is obviously a very good reason why access wouldn’t be possible. Instead, they didn’t mention this at all. They didn’t respond to my email request and said no to Cally’s swift group on the grounds that there were schedule one birds nesting in the area.

Hi Ann,

Thanks for clarifying that. It all makes sense now therefore the RSPB were clearly right in not disclosing the information. 

Elfyn

Steven Robinson

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I was surprised, when it was said that the trees that swifts nest in are in somebody’s private garden! 

I have since been informed by a reliable source, who has seen photos of the site, that it’s in the middle of Abernethy Forest! 

The reluctance to share the location is due to capercaillie in the area. 


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Hi,  re swifts at Abernethy.
The swift trees are in someone's private garden so they don't want people coming around, understandably.   The RSPB have been asked not to say where it is.  
Ann

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Cally Smith Huntly & District Swift Group

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As far as i know the swifts do nest somewhere deep in the Abernethy Forest, Iolo has seen the spot!  However, there is also word that someone living on the outskirts has also tree nesting swifts, someone approached me regarding this at one of our events some years ago.   Either way, i agree the RSPB need to take measures to protect them, goes without saying when you imagine how special they are and the amount of people who go roaming about the forest.   When making enquiries of interest it is difficult to be confronted by such resistance,  when you know yourself how much of your life is spent devoted to protecting swifts and there is no way you would disclose the details, it can feel rather offensive BUT so long as the swifts are ok and protected i'm ok with that.  
Cally


Alistair

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Does seem to be a bit of an obsession this tree nesting of swifts a holy grail…..

So is anyone putting swift boxes on trees either the model 30s or starling type of boxes because there are many disadvantages for tree nesting swifts….

Predators…squirrels, pine martins, owls, goshawks, mice, woodpeckers?

Trees are a dynamic nest site the entrance hole changes size over time, storms or felling operations remove trees and old veteran trees with decay are a danger to humans and must be felled if anywhere near a human habitation….

Also intrigued so where did swallows and housemartins nest before we put barns and houses up….

So the advantage to swifts of human buildings must far outweigh their traditional tree nest sites and even if you install boxes on trees the inevitable growth of the tree will destroy the box within a decade or so unless it is repositioned…..not to mention squirrels and parakeets ripping the boxes to bits along with woodpeckers….

However, would still love to see swifts flying through trees though must be amazing aerobatic skills!

Happy Easter and roll on the swift season!

Alistair

P.S.  Waiting to hear if the sand martins take to boxes on houses too…….



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Edward Mayer

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The other thing about tree holes, predators apart, is that they get occupied very early on in the year by numerous other species desperate for a place to nest. As for numbers, well when you consider that all of Europe below the Arctic tundra and leaving aside dunes, marshes and mountain tops was covered with climax forest until the advent of humans, well there would have been plenty of tree holes for all. The high numbers of woodpeckers to be seen in Canada and the USA even now bears this out, I think, as they still do have extensive forests there. All the best Edward

Cally Smith

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Hi Alistair
I wouldn't say tree nesting swifts are an obsession but i would say they are extremely precious and intriguing!  Survivors in a very changed world to what it used to be. How many evolved and how many were lost?  Who knows, but some interesting points made!  
I doubt there is much in the way of provision made for the swifts around those parts either in the forest or in nearby villages.  I have tried on several occasions (regarding other planning applications) to make contact with the Cairngorms planners/ecologists but with little success...closed doors!.  They have no swift policy at all or didnt a few years ago, and i offered to be of assistance to them when they came to revamp their local development plan and never heard from anyone and didn't manage to follow up.   Our group  has attended and hosted events with the Cairngorms rangers over the years and done a couple of survey evenings with them too!  However i did meet up with a nice guy last month who apparently newly works for the CNP and is extremely interested in our work and from this i hope he will be able to promote swift provision in to CNP builds etc.  What if the old trees they nest in are blown down by storms?  They need somewhere to go!   Since there are so few TN swifts left we must help protect them as much as possible, goodness knows how tbh but lets not forget how incredible they are :)
Cally

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