Scenario analysis with SWAT-CUP

[Meher]

Dear Karim,

I'm facing a problem regarding climate change scenario analysis. My model is calibrated and validated. For scenario analysis, after simulating the arcSWAT with new pcp and tmp, I have replaced the new pcp1 and tmp1 txt file in the SWAT cup directory(Back UP file), after that, I run the swat exe. Now what is the next step to get the fututre predicted flow for new scenario. 

where can I find that one? Shall I again iterate SWAT-CUP like calibration and validation with the calibrated parameters? what things I have to change in File Cio ? Would you like to give step wise solution to fix it? 

Thank you.

[Abbaspour, Karim]

Just put climate files in the main swat-cup project directory, why backup? Then iterate once with calibrated parameter ranged and as many simulations as before. Use no_observation extract programs to extract variables of interest. Your file.cio should reflect the future date you are simulating for... 

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SWAT-CUP" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to swat-cup+u...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[Meher]

Dear Karim,

Thank you for your kind guideline. However I need more clarification and here it is:

Suppose my control period is 20 years starting from 1980 to 2000 and I want to predict flow for 2040 to 2065(25 yrs) is that possible or I can produce only 20 yrs starting from 2040 to 2060.

From File Cio the necessary correction should beas follows:

NBYR: 20/25 yrs?

Beginning year: 2040 

Beginnig julian date:1

Ending julian date: I have to check the ending year either it 365/366

Numbers of years skip: 0

Am I right..?

What about the other files from SWAT-CUP interface, I mean observation file, objective function file, Extraction file, Shall I correct any information in that file or keep it as usual during calibration/validation?

Am I supposed to give whole range of control period river flow data starting from 1980 to 2000 to generate future river flow in observation in observed rch txt in observation and observed.txt in objective function file?

In SUFI-2 extract_rch def. shall I correct the beginnig and ending year simulation? or keep it as usual?

Finally,

What information have to give"No observation file"as you suggest me to use this file

in that file can I mention the 2060/2065(20 yrs/25 yrs) as end year of simulation

variable column no: what is column no. of discharge (either7/8/11)

and Last question: where, in which file I can have the expected flow for future period?

how many simulation is enough in one iteration to predict the flow?

Would you like to clarify all things? because if I mistake any simple step, the simulation error will occur.

Thanks.

[Karim]

Oh common this is very clear! Just simulate from 40 to 60 and use no_observation extract programs to extracts flow for this period. You have no observation so don't bother with observation files, thats all....

[Meher]

Dear Karim,

I'm very grateful to you for your kind instruction. Where, in which file I can have the expected flow for future period?

It would be better if you would like to mention it.

Thanks

 

[Abbaspour, Karim]

The no observed program extracts flow for each subbasin  and puts it in a file by subbasin number.. Just do it and you'll see....

[Meher]

Dear Karim,

Following your guideline, I have replaced the new pcp and tmp file for future scenario in the main SWAT-CUP directory and run the swat.exe once.  After that, in the SWAT-CUP interface, I have changed the prediction period and keep the no. of skip year=0. I didn't change anything in other file except No observation file. Then I keep the same calibrated parameter in the par info. and set my simulation no=300 but at the initial stage of simulation model shows the message that I attached here and stop to simulate. 

Would you like to give a solution, I'm frustrating a lot.

Thank you,

Meher 

[Karim]

Well obviously the pcp file you made is not in correct format or the period is wrong.... 

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SWAT-CUP" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to swat-cup+u...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

<scenario simulation Error!.PNG>

[Meher]

Dear Karim, 

Before replacing pcp and tmp file in SWAT-CUP directory I was running ArcSWAT  with new pcp and tmp file for one scenario therefore, I keep the previous simulation duration(control period) from 1980 to 2000 and my projection period is 2040 to 2060. shall I mention the future period as a SWAT simulation period. Shall I keep three years as warm up period, shall I put 0 as a warm up period?   

Plz. help me.

I'm waiting for your response.

Thanks

Meher

[Nguyễn Duy Liêm]

Dear Meher,

Here for you: https://youtu.be/9lr3Gn_T0QM

ND Liem

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

dear Karim 
can you please let me know from where to get no observed file or programm, its giving results just at outlet, from where i can get future flows for other subbasins,
kindly let me know.

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 2:35:36 PM UTC+5, Abbaspour wrote:

The no observed program extracts flow for each subbasin  and puts it in a file by subbasin number.. Just do it and you'll see....

On Aug 9, 2014, at 2:32, "Meher" <engr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Karim,

I'm very grateful to you for your kind instruction. Where, in which file I can have the expected flow for future period?

It would be better if you would like to mention it.

Thanks

 

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SWAT-CUP" group.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to swat...@googlegroups.com.

[Karim Abbaspour]

what do you mean  "where to get no observed file or programm"? These are among the swatcup files.

Karim

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to swat-cup+u...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/43df87ee-c74d-4a3d-98b9-9a137f55df4d%40googlegroups.com.

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

Actually I mean after successful iteration 

From which file I can get future flows of all subbasin in the watershed 

I am having 64 subbasin in the study area 

I need to get future flows at each subbasin’s outlet 

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAO3bGbK4e7mY1vB2Frz7VrvSr%2BqeHQp6yripsxLQUjcVBO70DQ%40mail.gmail.com.

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

It is in Output.rch or something else ? 

[Karim Abbaspour]

Like anything else, you can look in the manual . You have to fill the definition file and check the extraction file and check the 95PPU file before starting an iteration.

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAD-%3D1kUba1mSVO0KbJWbMN%3DS_iPueqbDa4LMeHOs9KL38iopfg%40mail.gmail.com.

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

dear sir, I have done the settings as follows, i am still confused from where to get output file (that contains future flows for all subbasins)..

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 3:08:16 PM UTC+5, Abbaspour wrote:

Like anything else, you can look in the manual . You have to fill the definition file and check the extraction file and check the 95PPU file before starting an iteration.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:59 AM Mishkat Ul Saba <mishk...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually I mean after successful iteration 

From which file I can get future flows of all subbasin in the watershed 

I am having 64 subbasin in the study area 

I need to get future flows at each subbasin’s outlet 

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 2:57 PM Karim Abbaspour <abbas...@gmail.com> wrote:

what do you mean  "where to get no observed file or programm"? These are among the swatcup files.

Karim

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mishkat Ul Saba <mishk...@gmail.com> wrote:

dear Karim 
can you please let me know from where to get no observed file or programm, its giving results just at outlet, from where i can get future flows for other subbasins,
kindly let me know.

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 2:35:36 PM UTC+5, Abbaspour wrote:

The no observed program extracts flow for each subbasin  and puts it in a file by subbasin number.. Just do it and you'll see....

On Aug 9, 2014, at 2:32, "Meher" <engr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Karim,

I'm very grateful to you for your kind instruction. Where, in which file I can have the expected flow for future period?

It would be better if you would like to mention it.

Thanks

 

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SWAT-CUP" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to swat...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SWAT-CUP" group.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to swat...@googlegroups.com.

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/43df87ee-c74d-4a3d-98b9-9a137f55df4d%40googlegroups.com.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SWAT-CUP" group.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to swat...@googlegroups.com.

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAO3bGbK4e7mY1vB2Frz7VrvSr%2BqeHQp6yripsxLQUjcVBO70DQ%40mail.gmail.com.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SWAT-CUP" group.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to swat...@googlegroups.com.

[Karim Abbaspour]

it is extracted in the SUFI2.OUT file. 

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAD-%3D1kW2tQLM3auP2ALMM55u2GzvexgK_QfB6pQtVu_zvsY8pw%40mail.gmail.com.

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

Dear sir 

The settings Above are correct ? 

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAO3bGbL%3DqgAJJPUUHia0q-g0oCQcfmhFV40%2BTKmuzA%2Bsi%3D4OeQ%40mail.gmail.com.

[Karim Abbaspour]

what settings above?

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAD-%3D1kWVeiyqHODP6vLjyVbmMHyQyoz%2BJYo5gz0VpNcEdBZVMg%40mail.gmail.com.

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

the screen shots i have attached?
kindly see the attachments

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAO3bGb%2BG1EOc3SRQQuo40HE_hMxHZhD1VrGZ_-cpG-GX3hLmQQ%40mail.gmail.com.

[Karim Abbaspour]

yes, they seem to be correct.

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAD-%3D1kU2-TVVr-W%3D6%3DZDUR03nPhbTKuKp4%3DW%2B17XBjp24gJVcA%40mail.gmail.com.

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

Oky thank you so much sir 

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swat-cup/CAO3bGb%2BnZEcKAiiVZ9_sP6TQeaK%2Bx%3DOJ%2BXNiyMbsH4%2BfhB5biw%40mail.gmail.com.

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

Dear sir in sufi2.out we have results of only outlet points 

[Mishkat Ul Saba]

dear sir Kareem 
the flows seems to be very low as shown in screen shot, what could be the reason for this?