Stems, Dream Theater and All That

[Lokkerman]

Mikey
I recollect what you was going to do with DT but I can't remember seeing a posted copy; is it available?
Also Can you please explain what you mean by stems - I'm assuming when I listened to them that thay are like multi-track master channels, only in stereo?
Why only 6 stems = 12 channels though?
This means that the #5.1 that you created would be in fact, a remaster for #5.1 by you, am I correct?
lots of questions but thanks in advance :- )
cheers
Lokks

[elshagon]

I'd be curious to listen to this 5.1 mix taken from stereo
multitracks? There's a number of leaked multitracks out there, plus a
bunch of extractions from the Rock Band video game so I'd be
interested in anything done to remix any of these to surround as well.

[Stephen Disney]

It was on the noid. 

Hi Rez file of track 1...
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1970029/8931969/

Full DTS album...
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1972688/7859112/

Great work!... and an actual mix.

If interested in the source material...
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2147564/3969764/

S

[Stephen Disney]

For each track of the album there are stereo sub mixes of...
Bass
Drums
Guitars
Keys
Solo
Vocals

He then mixed them into 5.1.
S

[River161]

Are we talking about the last DT album? I never did a conversion of
that because I was hoping someone would do something with the
multitracks that were released. I'm assuming it was done so.

Never had the patience to work with multitracks. It really takes an
amazing knowledge of the source material, I think, to really get a
good result out of it. I'm also not a fan of channels going empty for
a long time, then erupting, etc. Just doesn't scream "surround" to
me.

Also not a fan of working with "Rock Band" stems or streams, but
that's another story.

Will check this out, though.

[Lokkerman]

stems in my share

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[Mikey Wenzel]

OK everybody,

I'll try to explain as best as I can,

Dream Theater provided the fans with stems for their album Black clouds & silver linings

these stems were part of the ultra deluxe edition mega box or whatever it was called,

included were 

stereo-downmix of all guitars -> guitar stem = 1 stereo wav,

downmix of all drum-trax -> drum-stem = 1 stereo-wav,

downmix of all keyboard trax -> keyboard-stem = 1 stereo-wav, 

downmix of bass guitars with FX -> bass-stem = 1 stereo wav,

downmix of all vocals with FX -> voacl-stem = 1 stereo-wav, + 

downmix of solos (guitar + keys) -> solo stem = 1 stereo wav.

these are mixed from the original multitracks by the band (well, their engineer)

I used these to create 5.1 mixes

started with track 1 (obviously) put it on the noid, got friendly responses - mixed the whole album, put it on the noid

see below for links

I have received Keyser's seed-request, I will have to dig in my archives to find the original torrent I made, might take some time

I hope all questions are answered,

if not ..... just ask again .-)

cheers,

MIKEY

P.S.: @ Stephen:

you may be right about track 1 being hi-rez, but I'm not 100% sure.... too long ago :-)

guess I'll have to check :-)

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"...just turn around to the healing colors of sound!"

-SB-

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[Mikey Wenzel]

Hey,
while trying to find my DT-stuff...,
I have had massive problems getting on the green-site, lately
also my DL-ware seems to have issues,
I see 18000 seeds but only get very few connections, I don't think
it's in my set-up cos I never changed anything, having gotten very
good results in the past.
anybody know what to do?
any help would be much appreciated

cheers,
MIKEY

[River161]

Mikey....please let us know when your torrent is back up and running.
Would love to hear this.

[elshagon]

I found the mini dvd one in the hub being shared. It's in my share as
well now.

[elshagon]

be advised that it's not in iso format as of yet so you'll have to
deal with the apex .ifo problem (the .bup and .ifo with apex are
treated as the same so only the .bup are downloaded. you can copy and
rename or download the .ifo separately to the folder as well)

> > Would love to hear this.- Hide quoted text -
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[Mikey Wenzel]

Yo elshagon,
would you please consider putting it on the noid for a short period of
time,
I have in deed found my old files, strangely enough only 99.8% are
recognized <scratches head>
???
so if I could snatch those missing .2% from you I would be up and
running 100% again

thanx,
MIKEY

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"...just turn around to the healing colors of sound!"

[elshagon]

ok I'll see if it works

On Mar 9, 11:32 pm, Mikey Wenzel <MikeyWen...@gmx.de> wrote:
>   Yo elshagon,
> would you please consider putting it on the noid for a short period of  
> time,
> I have in deed found my old files, strangely enough only 99.8% are  
> recognized <scratches head>
> ???
> so if I could snatch those missing .2% from you I would be up and  
> running 100% again
>
> thanx,
> MIKEY
>
> Am 10.03.2010 um 01:27 schrieb elshagon:
>
> > I found the mini dvd one in the hub being shared.  It's in my share as
> > well now.
>
> > On Mar 9, 4:03 pm, River161 <jorge0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mikey....please let us know when your torrent is back up and running.
> >> Would love to hear this.
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> -SB-
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[elshagon]

Ok I'm now seeding at 100%.

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[Mikey Wenzel]

me too :-)

thanx

MIKEY

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[VF]

Ok so I gather that home-brewed mixes from stereo stems should not be called "upmix", but rather something like "non retail mix”, as in never released commercially as a mix, so non official...probably the best way to categorize it...as an upmix is also a non retail mix but clearly an “up” mix, so to speak, from single stereo source. I guess same tag should be applied to something brewed from (standard?) multitracks, like NIN’s Ghosts (?)...

 

And then obviously I as much info on the process done between the source files and the files being released should be in the torrent description and info.txt...including, very importantly, the resolution and lossless/lossy status of the source files...

 

Haven't had a chance to check out the DT though Mikey, but it sounds cool as I've never heard of stereo stems or this kind of process of home mixing before :)...

[jolson]

Working from stereo stems resembles more a Matrix Mix than an Upmix, I
think.

> Full DTS album...http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1972688/7859112/

>
> Great work!... and an actual mix.
>

> If interested in the source material...http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2147564/3969764/

>
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> -SB-
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[VF]

Interesting: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1210

Seems there's different uses or definitions of these words like matrix
mix/blend/ultramix - as long as detailed info on the sources and the process
are included it's all clear ;).

[Joe A]

Actually, this is another interesting area that is unfortunately even
more neglected than surround, maybe we can discuss a bit.

I've always wished we could get access to the source instrument tracks
to make our own mixes. Louder guitars. Eliminate vocals, lower drum
track, etc. Trent Reznor (NIN) over the years has put out source
tracks in Garage Band, etc and that's a heck of a lot of fun to play
with. A long time ago (in the first dot com era) Thomas Dolby had a
site where he let you do the same kind of thing. Unfortunately
artists hate this sort of thing but I've always wished for it.
Sometimes you want to focus in on one particular instrument...
Slash's guitar. Geddy Lee's bass.

I even built a vocal stripper in my Radio Shack days to listen with
greatly reduced vocals.

Of course, now having multitracks available lends itself to custom
surround mixes as we've seen with the Rock Band stuff, and now, this.

Anybody have more info on multitrack fun?

[elshagon]

There's quite a few Rock Band, Guitar Hero, and real multitracks on
the rutracker.org site (search using multitracks). Many are in my
share on the hub and I'll be grabbing more to share soon. The trick
is re-mixing them into surround. We have all these guides and tools
for upmixing stereo tracks, but mixing a multitrack with upwards of 20
tracks can be difficult and time consuming. Much harder than doing a
stereo upmix. If anyone has any guides, tricks, tools, etc for mixing
multitracks I'd enjoy being pointed in the right direction. I
currently use Adobe Audition, but I'm open for suggestions for other
programs to mix so many tracks into a 5.1 mix.

> > something brewed from (standard?) multitracks, like NIN’s Ghosts (?)...- Hide quoted text -

[insan...@web.de]

I share the stem files in my hub, also some multitrack masters of
single songs (there seem to be not too many around on the sharing-
sceene,though).
I also got a 5.0 mix of DT's last album I did with Reaper and a free
surroundpanner, both as FLAC and as DTS-CD.